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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: sim085 on February 17, 2010, 09:43:15 AM
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Hi,
I was wondering, is it possible to set the Amiga floppy drive to work similar to that of a PC floppy drive by changing some settings from workbench? or maybe something available from Aminet?
What I mean by this is the following; rather then having the floppy drive always check if a disk is in the drive and display an icon when a disk is inserted, similar to Windows, an icon for the floppy drive would always be available and workbench would only check if a disk is in the drive when double click on this icon.
Regards,
Sim085
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I dont think that is possible
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I was thinking of dismounting DF0 on workbench start-up and then create a project icon that would run a script to re-mount it on click. The only problems I can see so far is how to stop workbench from displaying an icon for the disk-drive once mounted, and how to open window with disk content from script.
I think I will still dismount DF0 on workbench start-up and mount it back only when needed since I do not like the click sound very much and with a 'noclick' program it still does a regular small click.
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Which "no click" program are you using? I have been using one for many many years now on multiple machines with multiple drives and I never hear a drive click after the program activates.
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Which "no click" program are you using? I have been using one for many many years now on multiple machines with multiple drives and I never hear a drive click after the program activates.
The one I have I downloaded it from Aminet (first one I found). With it the 'click' the drive makes was reduced, but I can still hear a 'small' click every few seconds.
Do you have a link to the NoClick program you use?
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Do you have A500 or A500+ ?
Noclick only reduces click on A500+,"regular" A500 is OK.
AMINET: anticlick,clicknot,killclick or tdx
Please provide some feedback.
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Do you have A500 or A500+ ?
Noclick only reduces click on A500+,"regular" A500 is OK.
I have an A500+.
AMINET: anticlick,clicknot,killclick or tdx
Please provide some feedback.
I don't have my workbench installation on me but as much as I remember the one I use is named NoClick. This one does reduce the click sound but not at all. I always thought that the small click was because the drive still needed to check if a disk was present or not.
So with those the drive produce absolutely no sound when no disk is present?
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That makes sense.
Drive clicking = stepper motor activity.
Every floppy drive has 2 motors; one actually perform disk rotation while another one moves heads back and forth.
Reduced clicking noise on Rev8a might indicate that motor still get enough current to move head and thus generate a click noise.
(AFAIK, that might be cylinder position -1 to 0 and back ti -1, dunno for sure).
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So does that mean that it is impossible to eliminate the click sound completly from the A500+ floppy drive (unless dismounting the drive that is) ?
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So does that mean that it is impossible to eliminate the click sound completly from the A500+ floppy drive (unless dismounting the drive that is) ?
Disconnect the drive :D
Or try the other Noclick programs maybe you will have better luck
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Or leave a disk in it!
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In order to check if a disk is in the drive, normally the read/wrrite head is moved from track 0 to track 1 and back. This causes the click sound.
With the noclick option active, the drive is instructed to move from 0 to -1 instead. The drive should know that this is not possible and not move the head at all, but still report whether a disk is present or not.
Some drives however do not hat the intelligence to know that they are at track 0 already and try to move the head further, usually resulting in an even worse click than normal and also causing damage. If this happens, you should deactivate the noclick option immediately.
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Some drives however do not hat the intelligence to know that they are at track 0 already and try to move the head further, usually resulting in an even worse click than normal and also causing damage. If this happens, you should deactivate the noclick option immediately.
That is funny though... any crashing application could in theory destroy your floppy drive.
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That is funny though... any crashing application could in theory destroy your floppy drive.
It shouldn't harm if it happens only few times. But if it does it every two seconds, it's most likely to cause damage.
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Hi,
I was wondering, is it possible to set the Amiga floppy drive to work similar to that of a PC floppy drive by changing some settings from workbench? or maybe something available from Aminet?
What I mean by this is the following; rather then having the floppy drive always check if a disk is in the drive and display an icon when a disk is inserted, similar to Windows, an icon for the floppy drive would always be available and workbench would only check if a disk is in the drive when double click on this icon.
Regards,
Sim085
Why would you even want to do this?? If you are bothered by the sound then why not just insert a floppy disk into the drive?
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Ok, I am starting to get little worried ... however the current sound I hear is very small (compared to the usual click noise I have without the NoClick).
Also, in the case mentioned above, would all NoClick programs have the same effect? i.e. - possibly damage the floppy drive?
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Why would you even want to do this?? If you are bothered by the sound then why not just insert a floppy disk into the drive?
Because I would like to find a more professional option then just put a floppy disk there :) Dismount the drive and mount it only when I needed sound more professional to me - however I do not want to be doing any damage.
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Also, in the case mentioned above, would all NoClick programs have the same effect?
All programs done for AmigaOS 2.0 and above do the same: they just set a flag in the internal structures of trackdisk.device and trackdisk.device then changes its behaviour. This is the only system-friendly way to do it.
however the current sound I hear is very small
It depends on the drive what happens with noclick enabled. As already mentioned, some drives try to move the head against the limit causing a cracking noise and possible damages. Some drives do not make any sound any more. And some drives still make a small sound.
Dismount the drive and mount it only when I needed sound more professional to me
The problem is that AmigaDOS does not allow to dismount floppy drives. Although you can remove the entries from the DOS list, trackdisk.device will still continue to poll for disk changes. So you gain nothing.
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Interesting about the A500+. My primary 500 is a + model, and NoClick works just fine. It could be the floppy drive I have in it, too. I have gone through so many drives over the past 15 years...
I am not sure where I found mine, though I am assuming on AmiNet since it was many years ago. I am pretty sure it is a commodity, and will check when I get home.
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Okay, I was right, it is a commodity, and it shows in Exchange with this
information:
NoClick 2.0 (C) 1996 by Timo C. Nentwig
It has a file size of 4988 bytes and a file version of "NoClick 2.0".
It looks like the matching entry at AmiNet is http://aminet.net/package/util/cdity/noclick20_usr
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Thanks :) I'll try that one out.
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That makes sense.
Drive clicking = stepper motor activity.
Every floppy drive has 2 motors; one actually perform disk rotation while another one moves heads back and forth.
Reduced clicking noise on Rev8a might indicate that motor still get enough current to move head and thus generate a click noise.
(AFAIK, that might be cylinder position -1 to 0 and back ti -1, dunno for sure).
don't know why you posted that,my drive has three motors. the extra motor is needed to eject the floppy disk. (motorized eject system)
maybe one day it may eject via software.
it's a jrop in replacement for my A1200 desktop floppy drive. it gets it's power (5v) via the ribbon cable on pin 3 of the A1200 motherboard 34 pin connector.
pin 3 is not on any A1200 motherboard i just added it in.
so the old floppy power connector is spare or removed on some of my other motherboards.
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don't know why you posted that,my drive has three motors. the extra motor is needed to eject the floppy disk. (motorize eject system)
maybe one day it may eject via software.
it's a jrop in replacement for my A1200 desktop floppy drive.
Que? What drive is that...? Very interesting, indeed.
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don't know why you posted that,my drive has three motors. the extra motor is needed to eject the floppy disk. (motorized eject system)
maybe one day it may eject via software.
it's a jrop in replacement for my A1200 desktop floppy drive. it gets it's power (5v) via the ribbon cable on pin 3 of the A1200 motherboard 34 pin connector.
pin 3 is not on any A1200 motherboard i just added it in.
so the old floppy power connector is spare or removed on some of my other motherboards.
Facts, pics, specs...so far we're all part of known Amiga universe, seems like you're an exception with your 3-motor drive....
Please proceed...don't be interrupted...:)