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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: rvo_nl on February 14, 2010, 06:53:04 PM
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I've bought a second-hand Cocolino so I can use a pc ps2 mouse. It all works fine, but now I want to use the scrollwheel and found out that I need driver software first. I didnt know it needed any!
I've contacted Elbox but they dont want to send it to me, they demand some serial number that should be on the device. (there is nothing on it). I've even supplied them with pictures of the device, just to prove I really have one! (and I have no idea why I would want driver software for a device I do not posses anyway)
So, can someone please be so kind to send me this driver by email? You can do this anonymous if you want.
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This is something that should have been on Aminet AGES ago. I have been in the same boat as you for a few years now without any luck.
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Hi,
Give this a try.
See http://aminet.net/util/mouse/FreeWheel.readme
"FreeWheel Version 2.2.1
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A little tool to fine-tune your mouse,
this time for owners of wheelmice, trackballs or 3-button mice.
Copyright 1999, 2090 by Alastair M. Robinson
Do you own a wheelmouse?
Are you disappointed with the amount of software which supports the wheel?
If this sounds like you, then you'll love FreeWheel!
FreeWheel can scroll any window which either contains standard gadtools scrollbars, or listens for cursor up/down keypresses.
Clicking of the wheel-button (or MMB on non-wheeled mice) can be mapped to several functions, including the ubiquitous MMB-Shift.
FreeWheel also provides continuous adjustment of mouse speed, between 33% and 300%, via a hotkey-accessible GUI."
Regards, Michael
aka rockape
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FreeWheel does not work without cocolino.driver.
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Hi Thomas,
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"FreeWheel does not work without cocolino.driver."
Thanks I didn't know that.
Regards, Michael
aka rockape
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Cocolino ... over-rated and over priced rubbish IMHO
I use one of these, so much better as no drivers needed except for middle wheel on the mouse.
(http://www.students.tut.fi/%7Eleinone3/ps2mhiiri627/hiir07.jpg)
(http://www.students.tut.fi/%7Eleinone3/ps2mhiiri627/hiir07.jpg)
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Eh that is nice !! But who was talking bout middle-mouse-button ? That should be no prob for every mouse-adapter as there is a dedicated input on the Amiga's mouseport.
Useing the scrollwheel on the other side requires some tricks.
I do have an microsyms and it has 2 distinct setting, one 3 buttons, no driver required and the other with scrollwhell-support, freewheel required.
What does freewheel do ? Well it boils down to the adapter sending pulses over the middle-button input and freewheel decoding them to up or down movements.
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What does freewheel do ? Well it boils down to the adapter sending pulses over the middle-button input and freewheel decoding them to up or down movements.
No, FreeWheel does nothing like this. What you describe is exactly what cocolino.driver or in your case the Micromys driver does.
FreeWheel is a commodity, not a driver. It translates one kind of input events (mouse wheel movements) into another kind of input events (cursor up/down keys and scroll bar movements).
If there is no hardware driver which feeds wheel movements into the input stream, FreeWheel has nothing to translate and therefore does nothing.
Bye,
Thomas
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Some kind soul has sent me a dms image of the driver. Will install tonight and then install the Freewheel software. Thomas is right, this software needs the Cocolino driver!
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Take that, Elbox!
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yeah, I guess. I didnt expect this from them. I have good experiences with Elbox and have had several of their products. (Im still extremely satisfied with my Elbox power/winner tower)
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Hello again. For those interested, here's the result of installing the software.
The cocolino driver turned out to be an executable that was copied to sys:c/, amazing! when started, nothing happens. However, when I run newmouse, the middlebutton works, but the scrollwheel doesnt. Does this mean my mouse isnt compatible? I couldnt find any place to configure my mouse in the program.
I've tried Freewheel aswell, but it gave very weird results, selecting text, flicking screens, stuff like that.
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when I run newmouse
NewMouse is a driver for serial mice. It is completely unrelated to the Cocolino and does nothing for it.
the middlebutton works, but the scrollwheel doesnt
The middle button should work without any driver already. The scroll wheel only works with cocolino.driver running.
I've tried Freewheel aswell, but it gave very weird results, selecting text, flicking screens, stuff like that.
This shouldn't happen. In fact you need FreeWheel to get any benefit from the scroll wheel. Without it, only very few applications support the wheel. AWeb for example.
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right, I guess the statements on various websites concerning newmouse and the cocolino.driver are somewhat confusing. at least they confused me aswell:
The input events generated by Cocolino.driver are compliant with the format used by the NewMouse program (by Alessandro Zummo). This ensures full compatibility with all the existing wheel-support software.
even more confusing when the only way to configure the middle mouse button is using freewheel or newmouse.
Will try freewheel again, hope there is some way to configure a bit more.
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I've not used NewMouse, so can't comment on it, but I can say that my optical scrollwheel mouse works as expected with cocolino driver and FreeWheel installed.
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Ditto for me. I am using a Logitech PS/2 scoll-mouse which has a middle button by way of pushing the scroll wheel. Using the installation instructions include with the Cocolino has it working happy as a clam, and I have it set so a double middle-click changes screens.
I do not suppose that perhaps Elbox's insistence on the serial number is due to different revisions with different functionality? Otherwise, the software seems just "generic."
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right, I guess the statements on various websites concerning newmouse and the cocolino.driver are somewhat confusing. at least they confused me aswell:
The input events generated by Cocolino.driver are compliant with the format used by the NewMouse program (by Alessandro Zummo). This ensures full compatibility with all the existing wheel-support software.
The Author of NewMouse (Alessandro Zummo) has defined a method how to feed mouse wheel movements into the input event stream of AmigaOS. This method has become a standard because all other drivers like cocolino.driver now use the same method.
So programs like AWeb, DirectoryOpus Magellan and FreeWheel, which support NewMouse, will also work with cocolino.driver.
This is what the statement means.
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I believe the middle mouse button of the Cocolino is not connected to the same line as a normal Amiga 3 button mouse. The driver is required to get the middle mouse button working. I guess some other PS2 mouse interfaces map the 3rd button so it works without a driver? This would be preferrable.
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allow me to summarize:
cocolino.driver - used to translate my ps2 mouse signals to signals the Amiga can 'pick up' using certain software
newmouse - useless with cocolino, since it only supports serial.device
freewheel - used to assign actions to middle mousebutton clicks and scrollwheel, compatible with cocolino.device
* using freewheel AND newmouse makes no sense *
correct? then I'm afraid my mouse is not entirely compatible with the cocolino driver, or freewheel. I'm now running freewheel, its no longer acting up: the middle mousebutton works fine, to cycle screens for example, but the scrollwheel still doesnt work.
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* using freewheel AND newmouse makes no sense *
correct?
No. NewMouse is for serial mice what cocolino.driver is for the Cocolino. FreeWheel is needed in both cases.
If you have a Cocolino, you need cocolino.driver. If you have a serial mouse connected to the serial port, you need NewMouse. If you have both mice, you need both drivers. FreeWheel is needed in any case.
then I'm afraid my mouse is not entirely compatible with the cocolino driver,
This might or might not be the case. Do you connect the mouse directly to the Cocolino or through a KVM switch ? If you use a KVM switch you should make sure that the Amiga is the first computer which is powered up and the KVM should be switched to the Amiga when the Amiga is powered up.
or freewheel.
A mouse cannot be incompatible with FreeWheel. FreeWheel does nothing with the mouse. It just translates input events. If there are no events, it does nothing. The driver is responsible to create the events, not FreeWheel.
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Thanks Thomas. Will try with another mouse tonight. No KVM switch, but the mouse is of the wireless/optical kind.