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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: dandelion on November 15, 2003, 12:30:16 PM
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After the demise of Commodore I used to regularly pray that the Amiga would come back as a strong computer platform.
Will anyone else admit to this? I really was very obsessed back then! :)
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Never prayed for silicone. (Im not the prayer-type).
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No, although I'm fairly spiritual in my own way I have to admit I've never actually prayed for the Amiga.
Still, there's nothing wrong with admitting that. Trust me, people have prayed for far worse!
I think divine intervention was sorely needed in the last days of Commodore and the wilderness years that followed. Still who knows what the future holds? Keep praying - it can only help!
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I am a bit of a marxist
So I do not pray my wishlist
Asking god please please my I have a mountainbike for my birthday?
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pray? no but i have wished for it for many years.
i still only use amiga and i cheerish that feeling, i am maybe more of an fanatic than a dreamer though :)
cheers
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Please, tell me you're joking! :-o
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I don't think so either but yeah.. alot of wishing.
Having said that i may have had a little prayer on the last bit of Amiga h/w that i had purchased to reach me savely and working. the BPPC with BV.
Worthy indeed of a prayer ;-)
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For an instant I thought 'Billsey' ;-).
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Not literally, but figuratively .
I "prayed" Commodore would advertise the damn thing on U.S. television more often ! :-x
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Hands that help are better than lips that prey... ;-)
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>After the demise of Commodore I used to regularly pray that the Amiga would come back as a strong computer platform.
Logical ranting mode on:
Unless there was another human present
to hear you pray for it,
then im afraid you are the only one
who heard your words of help.
Trying to solve a problem by praying
might calm you down,
but the problem is still unsolved and unaffected by you.
Sadly, If some other human(s) or anything else than yourself
solves the problem after you have praid for it,
then you get false evidence that praying helps
and you might further believe more in the method.
If you had told your friends how great amiga/workbench is,
then you would have helped amiga.
Also if you had helped someone make a cool game or prog,
or sent feedback to amiga developers about their software,
or plainly bought amiga sw and/or hw.
Logical ranting mode ended.
My opinion is that amiga did not fall,
but was hurt alot by the clever microsoft strategy
of getting ppl to spend money
buying slightly less bugged sw and hw all the time
so that they grew economically strong
and forced their crap on the world.
commodore made the mistake of making a perfect computer,
wich made the users content enough
to not having to worry so much about buying new amiga stuff.
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I thought this was a Billsey thread at first! :-D
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I thought this was a Billsey thread at first!
Join the club :-)
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No, I have never prayed for the Amiga ( or maybe I just don't remember) I probably would have. Praying does work but it depends why you want it to succeed? is it to destroy Microsoft? hehe that might be the wrong motive , so God will not answer that (although I have desired this many times!)
But back then I was extremely obseesed with the Amiga........one of the happiest days of my life was when I purchased an FMV card for the CD32! man! you should have seen me! I drove home screaming in the car feeling like I just ripped off the seller! actually I think he ripped me off!, he charged me $345.00 approimately.but I didn't care! I went home totally crazy that I had gotten one of these! I made my PC owning friends feel like pure crap! they had never seen such a thing.....and at the time Amiga CD32 and CD-I were the only real ones to be able to do it....PC's didnt get it till much later. I would not yet sell it and still have it with tons of movies and videos I made myself...........one day I will install it at the same time with my SX32 Pro! I hope!
Keep praying my friend, but make sure they are for good purposes :-)
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I would not pray for anything i dont belive in god. :-o
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Well, praying is just about as effective as petitioning...
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amigamad wrote:
I would not pray for anything i dont belive in god. :-o
Who does?
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I also didn`t pray as I don't believe in God as people advertise it, but I do believe in the power of Amiga. I have always been somebody who refuses to follow the mainstream. Microsoft has always seemed pretty stupid compared to Amiga OS, and now that I have pretty enough experience in installing XP Pro and 98 SE I seem to get more and more convinced how superior AmigaOS is, even if it is a bit slow. And yes, I have also dreamed that Microsoft would be beaten, no matter how. Everytime I read about a massive hack attack on Microsoft server I have to laugh. I remember that I did pray that the C64 would survive, and so far it still has .... I don`t know what the future will bring us, I only know that I will keep on being emotionally attached to the Amiga and C64 and I will keep on seeing the pc as a stupid primitive being that has only one advantage, speed ... but that's the only thing, nothing more ...
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our amiga. who art in heaven. workbench be thy name. cli kingdom come. format disks as they do in heaven. or forgive us a strong evil. for a.inc is the kingdom, the power and the failire, amen.
Thanks to Linchpin for that :-D
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I don't pray, not into relegion at all, too many wars caused by it :-( but I do wish...
I wish everyone would just shut up moaning & buy an Amiga, they'll be fine, it's not an alien.
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I don't know what I believe any more, but I've never prayed for the Amiga. I've been a zealot in the past but that's about it.
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What about meditating with gurus. :-P
Does that count.
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I also honestly thought Billsey had returned :-o
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Hello dandelion,
I didn't pray but wished a lot of times for a strong return :-)
Spidey
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Karlos wrote:
I also honestly thought Billsey had returned :-o
The thread title did indicate that it was one of his posts.
I think a lot of us oldies expected it to be him. :-P
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I do belive... but I've never prayed for that. Maybe because i think God has more important things to care about...
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Hoya!
Why? Billsey has left?
Too bad! KennyR and myself had lots of fun trying to explain to him that nothing REALLY proved the existence of any god out there... Except for our beloved Amiga of course! ;-D
Be funky
M A D
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@Im>bE:
I know it's popular to blame Microsoft for the demise of the Amiga, but at the time CBM imploded, MS didn't have anything that could compare to even a lowly A500. I know, because we had computers running Windows 3.11 at university at the time it all went down, and I remember thinking, "man, I don't want to have to use these things, they totally suck!". If CBM had lasted longer, I have no doubts there would've been some epic showdown, but as it is, CBM killed the Amiga - mostly by bad advertising. 90% of people I talked to didn't want amigas because they were "games machines" and they wanted a "serious computer". There's only one place they could've gotten that idea: CBM's marketing department. Then there was the corporate monkey business, which eventually sunk the entire company.
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@ Effy
Hi, just noticed your sig. boostes are bad, they are amplifiers with extra components to knock speaker level down to transistor input level.
Get a head unit with RCA or DIN outs only, save money & plain amplifiers, no extra components, save money. all this wil insure that you don't amplify the distortion comming from the head unit amp.
Chris
PS: I thought it was Bilsey too. But please, do we need to bash him. He's an OK guy!
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MAD wrote:
nothing REALLY proved the existence of any god out there...
I don't like arguing on such topics but... following your philosophy -
- nothing REALLY proved the INEXISTENCE of any god out there... :-D
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MAD wrote:
Why? Billsey has left?
Yeah... he wrote this long rant about Genesi and couldn't log in the next day, and jumped to the conclusion that only the most egocentric of people can - that people took such offence to his "poetic" rantings that his account was suspended. He went straight over to AW and got a hero's welcome from some of the more narrow-minded people there (don't think of that as an attack on AW, there are equally narrow-minded people here.)
Of course, it was just some technical glitch. Kees, the mods and several members tried to explain this but Billsey just stormed off in a huff.
And that was that. A bit lame really, but at least there's no more extreme right bible-bashing threads... uh, until now ;-)
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Hoya!
@spavatch
Well, in a way you're right but use your eyes.
If there REALLY was a god full of compassion, love, good feelings, funky vibes and beans, would it let its creation (the world) in the state it is today??
I do not think so, really.
Moreover, back when all the three major hly books were written, there was a miracle a day and now... Nothing?
To me it doesn't make sense, but of course, 'god knows better' ;-P
As for Billsey, as you can tell, I don't really miss him.
Be funky
M A D
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The trouble is God WONT stop ANYONE from making a choice , that is the gift of free will and every time some idiot runs down the street with an oozy we blame God? if so if some guy donate's a g5 amiga's to all of us (drool ;-) ) why is it we dont thank God for that?
Man makes his own choices we are accountable to ourselfs & each other :-o
it's amazing how many people think God doesnt exist based on the "...or my bunny wouldnt have died when I was six" argument :-P
P.S. I personally believe in somthing more than just what science, but do we all know what/who that is? :-?
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Mmm no not really but i do beat up dumb win usrs
with my holy linux Bibel and then i do an exorsims
on them :-D
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that_punk_guy wrote:
MAD wrote:
Why? Billsey has left?
Yeah... he wrote this long rant about Genesi and couldn't log in the next day, and jumped to the conclusion that only the most egocentric of people can - that people took such offence to his "poetic" rantings that his account was suspended.
I just looked at this example of mental illness:
http://amiga.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11043&forum=1#151275 (http://amiga.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11043&forum=1#151275)
and i'm even MORE happy that nut case is not here to bore us to death with this kind of crap.
while i most certainly don't believe in censorship in any form, if someone wants to leave of their own "free will", i say, "bye!"
i've never prayed for anything. instead, i have USED my amiga and created things on my amiga and in that way, have kept it alive.
actions speak louder than words (prayers)
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@cecilia
That thread was the inspiration behind my 'Amigeddon' avatars :lol:
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I don't think I've ever prayed for anything, come to think of it.
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Bit of a silly idea, really!
But to be honest, I used to pray for an A4000T over and over, years ago. :)
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The Amiga have it's own prayer and it's called Guru. Every time he appears, he acts as Mediator between the Amiga and God, and it tells you - "I prayed for that application not to crash, but it crashed anyway". So who to blame for the crash - God, The Application, The coder of the Application, or the user who started that aplication? Most of the times the coder is to blame, but sometime the user may ruined it all at first place. And neither Guru, nor God, nor the OS are guilty.
The moral is "Better act, than pray", but "Better pray, than doing nothing".
I heard they removed Guru from AmigaOS 4. That's bad, because this way, the Amiga loses it's soul and it's prayer 8-D
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No, but I've cursed Windows many a time :-D
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I'm not religious so I don't pray for anything except for God to protect us from all his followers.
Years ago I was extremely obsessed about the Amiga and wouldn't touch any other computer platform except for some Linux stuff. To be honest, all that obsessing for one platform put me way behind in the computer world and limited my access to computer jobs. I came to realize that my obsessing on it was just an escape from myself and my life issues. I more or less dropped out of interacting with other Amiga users online while I sorted my life out and figured myself out.
These days I'm not focusing on any single computer platform. I'm going to be laid off in a week. While I'm off, I'm going to delve more into Linux and getting back into the Amiga while I work on an idea for a software package for the Amiga and possibly other systems in between my studying for a couple of MCP tests. The Amiga will always hold a special place for me. There is so much right about it.
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No
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I think one passes some part of our lives findind a substitution for the meaning of life or something.....muahhh But not really. It's the addictive behaviour or something, can hapennd to anyone.
Maybe most amigans are like that?! Hope not... 8-)
Ok, just forget it...
NOOO I've never prayed for the Amiga, it's only a computer made by man....
[EDIT] But I have to admit I have been adicted to the F****** thing :-x
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@Karlos
Your avatar is nicely done, but you should be killing penguins, not butterflies :-)
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The trouble is God WONT stop ANYONE from making a choice , that is the gift of free will and every time some idiot runs down the street with an oozy we blame God? if so if some guy donate's a g5 amiga's to all of us (drool ) why is it we dont thank God for that?
Man makes his own choices we are accountable to ourselfs & each other
The problem with the "Free Will" argument is that it means we have an impotent God... which is far worse than no god at all... :-o
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Here a question if prayer is not answered, then why do 12 step programs work. AA, NA and SA these are just a few of them.
We all have a GOD. Some of us just call it by another name.
CONTEMPT TO DISDAIN AS WORTHLESS
There is a principle which is a bar against information which is proof against all arguments and cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation.
Herbert Spencer
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I wish ex-alcoholics would give themselves more credit than that. They got past their addiction, but they attribute it to some higher power, because of some crap they were fed by an advisor with a religious agenda. It's sad, their self-esteem would be much improved if not for this "God had mercy on me and showed me the way past alcohol to the divine light" ####.
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And that was that. A bit lame really, but at least there's no more extreme right bible-bashing threads... uh, until now
Unfortunately, over at AW now he just spends his time bashing homosexuals.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I wish ex-alcoholics would give themselves more credit than that. They got past their addiction, but they attribute it to some higher power, because of some crap they were fed by an advisor with a religious agenda. It's sad, their self-esteem would be much improved if not for this "God had mercy on me and showed me the way past alcohol to the divine light" ####.
I agree, the whole world would be a much better place if everybody took responsibility for their own actions, and realised that humans achieve great things without any "hight power", and we can achieve even greater things if we work together... subtle nod to the Open Source comunity ;-)
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spavatch wrote:
MAD wrote:
nothing REALLY proved the existence of any god out there...
I don't like arguing on such topics but... following your philosophy -
- nothing REALLY proved the INEXISTENCE of any god out there... :-D
That'd be translated in our law:
guilty until proven otherwise
Maybe when we die we come in front of the swan of Tuonela (old finnish belief) or something like that
I'd prefer not describe things that I do not understand, but still be respectfull to it.
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by bloodline on 2003/11/16 13:23:40
I agree, the whole world would be a much better place if everybody took responsibility for their own actions, and realised that humans achieve great things without any "hight power", and we can achieve even greater things if we work together... subtle nod to the Open Source comunity
I think there are two types of religious folks that are the big problems of the world.
1. Those who are narrow view of "One True Way" and nothing else. This leads to the current problem with radical islamic groups who think ramming aircraft into buildings is a good way of going to heaven.
2. Those who think they can say a simple prayier and be forgiven. This leads to actions, sometimes unspeakable, with the knowledge whatever evil they do, they will be forgiven, as long as they repent, for the umptenth time, prior to their death. This is the reason why Christian Missionaries have stop doing baptism in third world ghettos, because people were think they are now bound for heaven, continue on in their evil ways.
Dammy, the pagan, who thinks all roads lead to Amber. ;)
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dammy wrote:
by bloodline on 2003/11/16 13:23:40
I agree, the whole world would be a much better place if everybody took responsibility for their own actions, and realised that humans achieve great things without any "hight power", and we can achieve even greater things if we work together... subtle nod to the Open Source comunity
I think there are two types of religious folks that are the big problems of the world.
1. Those who are narrow view of "One True Way" and nothing else. This leads to the current problem with radical islamic groups who think ramming aircraft into buildings is a good way of going to heaven.
2. Those who think they can say a simple prayier and be forgiven. This leads to actions, sometimes unspeakable, with the knowledge whatever evil they do, they will be forgiven, as long as they repent, for the umptenth time, prior to their death. This is the reason why Christian Missionaries have stop doing baptism in third world ghettos, because people were think they are now bound for heaven, continue on in their evil ways.
Dammy, the pagan, who thinks all roads lead to Amber. ;)
Indeed 1 = Islam, 2 = catholicism :-D
Bloodline, the atheist, who thinks all roads lead to nothing. :-)
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actually everybody knows free will is a fact you dont have to ba a nut case to know that, so it's not an "argument" (though I think I know what you mean) but as for "Impotent God" thats an interesting idea but I dont see how not interfearing with mans choices = God.... or what ever couldnt mak his own choices as an onipitent being.
I sometimes wonder after sept11 if it's going to be the norm for people who have any believe to be seen as stupid (mass hysteria/predudice?) this reeks of broad judgement based on the actions of a few.
I PERSONLLY HATE THE FOLLOWING
any minister of any religion that is only in it for the money. (they do exist :-( )
any body that runs down the street harrassing people to come to thier church (i have a m8 who is a christian and he once blasted another bloke for doing this said he was one of the problems with why people thing his kind are nuts.....very funny!!)
any body who thinks that ASKING for forgiveness is a free ticket to do whatever you want when INFACT the real theologns know that it dosent work that way!! (idiots just look at violence in Irland)
any body who has a closed mind ---FOR OR AGAINST none of us should say we know better if you had an experiance that makes you believe recognize that faith is not related to science, if you havent that doesnt mean you cant etc.
OK i'll get off this theological stand now...LOL
I used to know a guy who was a theologn maybe I passed to much time traveling to work talking with him :-)
oh yeah I think praying for the Amiga is ...well .....sad!!
Gods probly up there saying to you "get a life"
note no offence indende is ment as light harted perspective on the big picture!! :-)
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Ya! most people who are in AA, NA, SA etc believed that they to could do it on there own.
I am my own boss.
I have the power.
I can stop any time I want to.
Well it just does not work that way.
Ask the ones who are clean today.
Ask them how many of those who who think they can do it own there are still alive.
But I guess I am not as smart as all of you.
See I just accept the fact that God wants the best for me, because He loves me. That His hook.
He just wants to share everthing with us.
So everone has a right to there own opinion, even if they are wrong.
CONTEMPT TO DISDAIN AS WORTHLESS
There is a principle which is a bar against
information which is proof against all arguments
and cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting
ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to
investigation.
Herbert Spencer
Think about it!!!
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LinchpiN wrote:
Never prayed for silicone. (Im not the prayer-type).
I'm sure plenty of women have :-P
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Well the "impotent god" idea is a very interesting one.
It derives from the observation that, if there is a god, he is either unwilling or unable to act in peoples lives. For example, you have a Car Crash, you are unhurt. What do you do? Thank God... ok fine.
Then the same day a 747 full of hmanitarian aid workers and sick children crashes and everyone is killed, who do you Blame? The Pilot? the Aircraft designer? the Enginerring Teams? God?
One cannont say, it's all part of God's plan, since you are no more important than everyone on that plane.
Why did you think him for being unharmed in that car crash? Did he really decide to save you and not all those other people?
so we are in a situation where we say, ok there is a good, but he doesn't want to help or there is a god but he is unable to help or... well you get the idea :-)
I rather like a quote I found in one of my old Physics, that I think in weird way applied here:
"Anything that interacts with our universe MUST obey the laws of our Universe, If it does not obey the laws of our universe it is not part of our universe and we can ignore it".
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@everything bloodline's said:
Amen.
Anhyone know what 'Amen' literally means?
Panthro:
actually everybody knows free will is a fact you dont have to ba a nut case to know that, so it's not an "argument" (though I think I know what you mean)
He wasn't saying there's no such thing as free will, more that it's a lame argument for why God doesn't interfere with matters on earth (anymore). Why did he stop anyway?
but as for "Impotent God" thats an interesting idea but I dont see how not interfearing with mans choices = God.... or what ever couldnt mak his own choices as an onipitent being.
If God existed, was omnipotent and still did nothing to prevent the suffering of people, then he isn't a God I could ever follow anyway.
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AFAIK amen means 'so be it'.
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From dictionary.com:
amen
This Hebrew word means firm, and hence also faithful (Rev. 3:14). In Isa. 65:16,
the Authorized Version has "the God of truth," which in Hebrew is "the God of
Amen." It is frequently used by our Saviour to give emphasis to his words,
where it is translated "verily." Sometimes, only, however, in John's Gospel, it
is repeated, "Verily, verily." It is used as an epithet of the Lord Jesus
Christ (Rev. 3:14).
It is found singly and sometimes doubly at the end of
prayers (Ps. 41:13; 72:19; 89:52), to confirm the words and invoke the
fulfilment of them. It is used in token of being bound by an oath (Num. 5:22;
Deut. 27:15-26; Neh. 5:13; 8:6; 1 Chr. 16:36).
In the primitive churches it was
common for the general audience to say "Amen" at the close of the prayer (1
Cor. 14:16). The promises of God are Amen; i.e., they are all true and sure (2
Cor. 1:20).
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odin wrote:
AFAIK amen means 'so be it'.
[definitions snipped]
So in summary it's like saying:
"Watching the game, having a Bud."
"True."
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Martyn wrote:
odin wrote:
AFAIK amen means 'so be it'.
[definitions snipped]
So in summary it's like saying:
"Watching the game, having a Bud."
"True."
:roflmao: :pint:
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Martyn wrote:
So in summary it's like saying:
"Watching the game, having a Bud."
"True."
Er....no.....
Drinking Budweiser would be blasphemy of the Beer God :-P.
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I've prayed for the guys that run Amiga... :-)
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SamuraiCrow wrote:
I've prayed for the guys that run Amiga... :-)
That they succeed or to save their damned souls? ;-)
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lol I think Odin has reserched that realy well
and I just thought amen ment "so be it"
@that_punk_guy
lol I hope it was that they succeed we all want the AmigaOnes me mostly so my email adress makes sence :-D
@bloodline
well the impotent god idea was interesting but from the theological pov since God made those rules (space-time mass gravity and women ;-) ) he surpases them (you know the onipitent bit) so you can't try sum that up in any form of science.
read ... DAMN FRUSTRATING if your the type who looks for answers etc LOL :-?
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I wonder if its OK to pray for an *amiga* women friend? I would like one :-D :-D :-D
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odin wrote:
Martyn wrote:
So in summary it's like saying:
"Watching the game, having a Bud."
"True."
Er....no.....
Drinking Budweiser would be blasphemy of the Beer God :-P.
LOL
wasn't it Odin who spit his holy saliva in the grain so it'd ferment into beer?
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Er....was it? Afaik the old sagas only speak of mead :-).
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Wain wrote:
And that was that. A bit lame really, but at least there's no more extreme right bible-bashing threads... uh, until now
Unfortunately, over at AW now he just spends his time bashing homosexuals.
I feel I should point out that in my home vernacular the meaning of that sentence could be seriously misconstrued :lol:
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Darth_X wrote:
I wonder if its OK to pray for an *amiga* women friend? I would like one :-D :-D :-D
I always thought men should be prostate at my feet!
:-o
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Well! What a good response!
However, reading through the posts it seems i'm the only one who has admitted sending prayers to heaven to aid our beloved machine.
No wonder the poor things is having such an awful time!
Dandelion
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dandelion wrote:
Well! What a good response!
However, reading through the posts it seems i'm the only one who has admitted sending prayers to heaven to aid our beloved machine.
No wonder the poor things is having such an awful time!
Dandelion
"admitted" that's not a good word, especially not when adressed to atheïsts.
I wonder anyone would've prayed for Microsoft...
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Indeed 1 = Islam, 2 = catholicism
Bloodline, the atheist, who thinks all roads lead to nothing.
i can't beleive!! . . .Bloodline!!
For the first time in my life . . . i agree with you :-) could it be dangerous? naaa!
Ciao
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Framiga wrote:
Indeed 1 = Islam, 2 = catholicism
Bloodline, the atheist, who thinks all roads lead to nothing.
i can't beleive!! . . .Bloodline!!
For the first time in my life . . . i agree with you :-) could it be dangerous? naaa!
Ciao
what are you talking about? We agree all the time... Probably :-D
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
I wonder anyone would've prayed for Microsoft...
no, only cursing!
:-o
("Ghod damn............@%$^#%*&^" etc.)
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codesmith about cbm, you hit the nail on the head there nicely put
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by Speelgoedmannetje on 2003/11/20 7:17:44
I wonder anyone would've prayed for Microsoft...
I've prayed that they would clean up their act. Does that count? (After all the Bible teaches that we should love our enemies and pray for them... ) :-D