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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: pickled_onion_man on November 14, 2003, 11:54:20 PM
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Hello everybody. Just got hold of my Inbox, looks like there are plenty of people who want the stuff, I was expecting a much lower response. Glad to see there is still a decent following.
I'm sorry, but I haven't had time to reply to the email's personally, but i will keep people informed this way and when everythings gone, I'll email everyone. Everybody will be considered, but don't bother offering me any money for the stuff - I'm far from rich but I don't want any cash, I'd much rather give it to a loving home (I'll have the right hump if any of it appears on Ebay after being donated).
All the stuff is being stored at my aunt's place as I haven't got room at my flat, so I will get over there in the next week or so and make a list of exactly what I have, then I'll put it on a web page and provide the url.
So people can look at their lesuire.
I'm a bit stumped as to the most deserving people to give bits N' pieces to, any ideas/nominations anybody?
Please refrain from sending any more emails to me until I have exact details of what I've got.
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My 2 cents. Sell it on Ebay and then donate the money to charity. That way, an Amiga user that wants to have your hardware will buy it, and the money still goes to a good cause.
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That's a good idea, but Ebay really sucks.
Can I just say again, No more emails from anybody for the time being please (I like my pickled.onions address, I don't want to have to kill it off)
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Well. Why not Donate it to AROS project.. They have had sales of unused equipment (sales handled on Ebay by pro) and collected money to support AROS making.
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Call me a spastic, but what is AROS? Remember I've been away from the scene for years.
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pickled_onion_man wrote:
Call me a spastic, but what is AROS? Remember I've been away from the scene for years.
AROS is a portable and free desktop operating system aiming at being compatible with AmigaOS 3.1, while improving on it in many areas. The source code is available under an open source license, which allows anyone to freely improve upon it.
Or visit their website (http://www.aros.org) for more info.
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donate to me :-) ive never touched a PPC before, and I will loooooooove it. I will give never let a day go by without it being used... and it will never been seen on eBay and i will let all the neighbours come round and play with it. ok, they can come round and look at it.
:-) ooooh go on.... pleeeaaase
i want to make games for the PPC and will give my games away for free, but I dont have a PPC amiga to work on. I have so many dreams, help them come true
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http://www.aros.org (http://www.aros.org/)
The Amiga Research Operating System project is an reimplementation of the AmigaOS's functions and libraries on a variety of platforms. It's a free, opensource project. Most people's interest in it is that it allows you to run an Amiga-like OS natively on commonly available Intel/AMD PC hardware.
They're some way from completion, but they've come a long way. As far as I know the proceeds from such sales and donations go towards the cash bounties which are awarded to programmers who finish set tasks - at the moment there's a bounty on a TCP/IP stack and a native GCC compiler for AROS. (Info on the bounties here) (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/)
Bugger, someone beat me while I was waffling ;-)
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Okay, it looks like I owe you an apology pickled onion. :-). I'm too much of a greedy capitalist to understand your reasoning I guess ;-).
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I believe Amidelf from Amigaworld.org was also looking for a ppc card ...
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5047 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5047)
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Hi,
@ pickled_onion_man,
Don't know what you have, but find some poor soul like me who has hardly a computer in the house and me being with 5 kids and all that despertly need a computer to do their school work with. I could guarantee you that me five kids especially Arlene would truly love to have a computer to do their home work with and these fine computers would never end up on ebay. You know with me being without work and all, I really couldn't afford to pay you for them at this time and I was wonderin if you could afford to ship them to me, of course I will keep you in mind when I do get me self a job and have a wee little bit left over to send to you to pay you for your kindness.
Smerf
Amiga 3000, Picasso II, GVP IV24 card, 18 megs of memory, 2.2 gig hard drive, 1 gig hard drive, 52X cdrom burner and of course OS 3.9
Amiga 1200, with 603e ppc card & 40 mhz 68040, 2.2 gig ide hard drive, 32 meg ram, 52 X cd rom burner.
CD32 with SX-1, 8 meg ram, 250 meg hard drive.
CD32 board with SX-1, 8 meg ram, mounted in black shoe box.
Amiga 500, 512 K ram, pretty stock.
Amiga 1000, supra scsi controller, supra hard drive with 2 20 meg hard drives, 4 meg of ram, midi card, supra modem, and 16 x cdrom burner (yamaha).
e-machine, 2.2 ghz, 512 meg ram, 80 meg hard drive, 48 x cdrom burner and dvd player.
800 mhz, microtel, 512 meg ram, 40 meg hard drive,
ATI xpert video board.
500 mhz compaq, 512 meg ram, 48x cdrom.
200 mhz packard bell, 128 meg ram, 2.2 gig hard drive (my business machine)
130 mhz, clone, too much junk in it to descrive, 4 scsi hard drives, 64 meg ram.
Of course all pc clones have nic cards.
all amiga's are now sitting on shelf waiting to be set up.
Hey cmon now, I have the best story don't I. I almost brought tears to your eyes.
:-D :-P
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@ onion
I like x56h34's idea (sheesh that's a silly handle!), or if not maybe Joanna's idea. To be honest - there'll be too much squabbling and arguing little like children otherwise (as has become evident already!).
viz
I GET PPC BOARD! :-x
Really, your best bet would be to sell it or auction it - It's a very noble gesture of yours giving it away, but I think that'd create so much hassle....
Besides, if people are willing to give you money, why not take it? You could always give the money to charity...
Just my ha'penny's worth...
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JoannaK wrote:
Well. Why not Donate it to AROS project.. They have had sales of unused equipment (sales handled on Ebay by pro) and collected money to support AROS making.
That would be a worthy cause (but then I would say that :-D ). I'd like the equipment to be auctioned off and the money to go to an 68k emulation bounty :-)
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I would say donate it to a dev team, Aros or Amizilla or something.
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our team allready enquired for it , we need it but i understand others who step out, 060 ppc cards is rare when it comes to a1200.
anyway thoose who mention aros in here should be hanged , AROS is a X86 amiga os project.
give it to someone who loves the community and will stay around and not in UAE or on a Pc..
if its given to any in the active dev teams then i would appriciate it , but giving it to someone who wants to kill off amiga and its os? , bleh.
there u go, now i said it..aros is just another example of why people move to pc (aros is quite ok , but it aint for amiga hw...so bleh... or maybe with this card we would get aros on a real amiga ?...hmmm never crossed me mind....sorry for trolling if so..)
cheers
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anyway i undwerstand why he dont want to sell the stuff, just give it away..., i am also like that...given away heaps of stuff i dont use (amiga) .
anyway id like it if you considered the donation to be to a dev team which is still in the amiga sector, it will be a hard choice .
i will name a few just in case , Amizilla (mozilla for amigaos) , total chaos Team (a special amiga game project) , the morphos team (one of the key people broke his classic amiga hw) , Eterinity (tales of tamar) , Creative studios , ADA (z5) he has one of the best scene oriented sites for amiga demos and he have no ppc (a ppc would help him alot on making the site better).
hope this helps abit , i blew up at the aros people but thats because of various reasons and one is like i said, its an X86 (PC) project.
cheers and good luck with your choice.
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anyway thoose who mention aros in here should be hanged , AROS is a X86 amiga os project.
I don't get your problem, AROS is NOT x86, it's multiplatform.
The user can choose what hardware they run it on. AROS is about choice... Why don't you get off your arse and help the PPC port?
You won't because you are all talk. :-x
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Yeah, I like NitrousB and lempkee's idea actually, now I think of it.
My vote is with:
[color=000099]MOZILLA![/color][/b]
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The problem with Mozilla is that the project is now dead, and that a web brower is not going to attract developers to the Amigoid platform.
What ever we do, right now our priority to be to attract developers to MOS/AROS/OS4, which are all basily compatible.
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I say stick on ebay so then there would be a bidding war and i would place down the "winning" bid! It still seems a bit fishy to me why you would not want money for the PPC card and give it away for free. Blizz PPC cards are rare and you could make quite a mint on it.
Then what you do with the money is up to you. What are the specs of the PPC. If more powerful than mine, then i would probably sell the former one. If i get it that is anyway.
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I was one of the first ones to e-mail you i think, but I'd also like to recommened the Mozilla project too, or give it to Hyperion so maybe they could speed up the process of OS4 for BPPC :)
Cheers,
Povl
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@Cyberus
OI! YOU STOLE MY QUOTE! :-x
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I must confess - I have no idea what the status of the Amizilla project is/was, it just sounded good:-o
I think pickled_onion ought to just flog the stuff and be done with it...if its just going to cause more bickering and open up old wounds again.
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bloodline: sure the problem is easy, its X86 and i dont have a X86 and never will.. _=)
and todo a ppc port? hmm sounds ok enough but i rather stick my work into os4 , atleast for now.
so what other ports are there atm ? , i have only heard of X86 version and i am pretty sure it will stay there until there is somesort of an final compilation.
beyond that i aint a fan of opensourced stuff, its like working in a dirty kitchen, with all due respect but thats my opinion and i am pretty sure alot of other people think the same.
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just to state that, mozilla is under the axe atm and it seems commerical browsers will be allowed in the race aswell, ie ibrowse or voyager, they just need to add the lot into thoose guis and they can have the money donated.., or something like that.
also they are considering aweb , which i think will be stupid , the gui suck and even with it beeing OPEN SOURCE it have stood still since.
i hope that ibrowse gets it though since its a browser which is good enough + still produced for amiga , voyager is a morphos only product atm since the author doesnt have a classic ppc anymore (they claim) ..lets see :D
cheers
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so what other ports are there atm ? , i have only heard of X86 version and i am pretty sure it will stay there until there is somesort of an final compilation.
There is an Amiga 68K port, which is able to repalce AmigaOS (this is old, maybe you would like to freshen it up?).
There is a Dragonball port (The Dragonball being the Mobile 68K used in the Palm) which able to boot up on the Palm.
There is a PPC port, being worked on by Michal Shultz, though he is reworking the PCI driver (so that it will work on both the x86 and the PPC) right now. One can even download his work and boot an Openfirmware based PPC machine right now :-)
And there is the x86 port, which is the most complete since many developers have an x86 machine.
Opensource is the future, you may not like it, you don't have to... but there is no way to stop people sharing and working together. I want to be free of one company/person telling me what I can and can't do.
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aros is quite ok , but it aint for amiga hw...
With all due respect, OS4 doesn't run on Amiga hardware any more (or less) than AROS does!?!?!
AROS can use parts of the original Amiga OS (the current Amiga port of AROS simply replaces the exec.library and and other parts like that), just like OS4 does, only OS4 can only run on the PPC, AROS can run on either (since you can choose).
OS4 runs on commodity hardawre with a PPC processor which is source compatible (I assume) with AmigaOS programs, how is that idfferent from AROS?
Johan Grip has just got his A3000 working again and is keen to continue work on finishing the AROS 68k port.
-Edit- Lempkee I don't want to sound harsh, but I used to think exactly like you about 4 years ago, then it suddenly struck me that it deson't really matter?!?! :-o
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Sorry to PM u pickled onione man.
My friend Ryu would so dearly love to take delivery of you PPC card as it will enable him to more effciently helpout more amiga users.
He usually spends most of his day helping amiga users. You PPC carld will be a great help to him.
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The idea of donating it to Hyperion is the best idea so far imho. Perhaps OS4 for BlizzPPC might see the light if day after all, that way :-).
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well with a bit of luck I will be able to help betatest OS4 on my BPPC.
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@CU
I don't see what's so fishy about generosity! Unless I've missed something?
@lempkee
If you don't like AROS that's fine, but it sucks to say people should be hanged for supporting it!
Support Positivity in the Amiga Community! (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/christopher.sheffield/positivity.html)
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@tpg:
Bah humbug!
;-)
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Ol' Jacob Marley's out to teach you a lesson people! :lol:
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IMO if it were to be donated to a dev team it would have to be an opensource/freeware project, so i would rule out hyperion, no offenece to the hyperion team, i think it would be best used "in no order of preference" by the following software projects, Aros, Yam, AWeb, Amizilla maybe someother projects you like, How about a vote kees?
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@ bloodline
The problem with Mozilla is that the project is now dead, and that a web brower is not going to attract developers to the Amigoid platform.
I'd like to know how you arrived at that conclusion (that the project is "dead"). Still business as usual as far as I can see...
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i also vote for hyperion
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mikeymike wrote:
@ bloodline
The problem with Mozilla is that the project is now dead.
I'd like to know how you arrived at that conclusion (that the project is "dead"). Still business as usual as far as I can see...
The project has divided into two smaller projects the brower being called something like "Fire Bird".
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by lempkee on 2003/11/15 6:40:41
anyway thoose who mention aros in here should be hanged , AROS is a X86 amiga os project.
Lempkee, it's people like you that gave the Amiga Community a bad name. Promoting physical violence against people who like a open source OS is not only rather childish, but illegal in many countries (see various "hate crime" laws). FYI, AROS is a multi-platform OS, like it or not.
Dammy
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sheesh, i dont think Lempkee meant to literally hang people, its just a figure of speech. Secondly I belive lempkee was just a little missinformed, and rather than attack him why not just explain to him where he is wrong, im sure he will understand...
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Ryu wrote:
sheesh, i dont think Lempkee meant to literally hang people, its just a figure of speech. Secondly I belive lempkee was just a little missinformed, and rather than attack him why not just explain to him where he is wrong, im sure he will understand...
While I agree that we shpould not attack him, and simply explain the truth to him, it should be noted that he has been told many times the facts about AROS...
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Well....that's what fundamentalists are for. Not affectable by reason ;-).
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WOW!!! And i was really thinking "That is the next onwer"...
Damn, people with a soft heart like me would always trust to guys who say such stuff. Maybe i should be careful after now :)
I want a PPC! Never had one :(
Got one for free from a friend. But it was broken, and that's why i got it. He said i could send it for repair. But he didn't think about if i have that money for the shipping and repair costs. So that's why a PPC 160MHz with 040/25 is laying in my drawer, for eternity :(
I want a working PPC! And make better gfx and faster (for i am doing for some gfx for games atm)! :/
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bloodline: ok i checked the aros site many times but i have allways missed thoose 68k etc ports, can you provide me with one? , and i doubt i would use my time on it though (dev) due to i have too much in my hands atm.
either pm or email me with some info, and as i told earlier the reason why i was so hostile was because of x86, if there is an 68k i am more than willing to try it out and then comment it, oh and btw os4 works fine on classic hw if u have a cybppc so i didnt really understand why u said that,m but then again it mght have been YET another missunderstanding by me..
i am anti to all thoose who belive since its old its free , thats why i am no fan of opensource or abandon bla etc, sure its good for the stuff thats abandon but not the stuff that aint but the website claim it is..
everyone knows TOSEC by now, just another example of how people can say they are dooing abandonware untill u actually do research and find Your own products in it AND is still active on amiga...
anyway i know aros is legal or said to be, never been a 100% clarification done by amiga.inc but it never would be either so (we know them heh) so all in all provide me with some links or whatever and i will check it out.
cheers
(sorry if i broke someones heart, but i am 100% amiga and that means i dont go for option 2 or 3 etc....)
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dammy: do you remeber when amithlon surfaced ? , people screamed it was totally legal etc and everything was so good that everyone should move over to it , alot of people was lost to x86 because of amithlon and they wont come back and guess what only 5% maybe of them sticked with amithlon, rest use now windows and ignores amiga or uses uae now and then though less and less.
thats my point, this is why everything is as it is and why i am abit rude to the new kids on the block, sorry but i really never put amithlon behind me due to the fact i lost alot of friends because they moved over there and found out it wasnt as it was described (super puper fast and bla bla) , and that amigaos 4 was going x86 etc...made people leave amiga ppc and 68k... for x86, and they wont return unless something big happens..
anyway i always wish for amiga to be the Thing again but i dont think it ever will due to the fact that we have uae,amithlon,umilator,aros,morphos to make amiga just another....ummm thing.... though its nice to make it appeal to everyone but then again look at linux, it aint actually living wealthy because of sales number on the sw etc..
people dont buy sw or support the plattform unless the crack or whatever is crap, because they couldnt care less ... (majority speaking ofcourse) ..
i just hope people who use aros and morphos and uae and amithlon etc supports the market by registrating products and buys sw etc.
though its quite good that we have a forum crowd but there is many who dont even know of the forums and there is also them who wont bother with it..
sorry for the long message, but i am just trying to explain my point of view as a developer and how the last 5? years have effected me and the people around me.
(i might get slayed when this has been read but i hope people will understand why and what...)
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@lempkee:
Ofcourse, pirating software which is still available and of which ppl can still make money sucks, agreed.
But how in the world can pirating Lemmings or whatever old game hurt anyone? Buying secondhand is also no use, the authors don't get any money that way. In fact reselling software is illegal I'd say (if you follow the letter of the law).
(Or am I missing your point completely?)
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what if an amiga retailer still sells lemmings? would you call lemmings abandonware then and still copy it round to your mates when such mates could be paying a few euro's or whatever to a retailer and helping them stay in the amiga buisness?
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Depends on how much they're asking. I haven't bought an Amiga game in years (the last game I bought is prolly Nightlong), but even back then age-old games were going for 'fullprice' prices.
I know, it's illegal/unethical (towards the dealers), but I refuse to pay 25EUR for 8 year old games (then again I don't play em either %).
And yes, I'd still call Lemmings abandonware in that case
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odin:i totally agree with you , but my point was more or less, support the shops , negotiate with prices of older sw if prices are high (i do that...and they all want to sell so..atleast them serious ones..)
sure dont bother to negotiate on new stuff but i was talking about older if so..
anyway as far as lemmings is concerned Dma approved it as Abandonware ages ago , but not the 2player amiga only release (only them normal ones).
my point was more or less why not buy if u like ?, sure i dont say pay 50 quid for a non rare game or such if u aint a collector, but rather than like tosec etc (who gives a #### about the shops and authors of the sw etc) you might want to go to a shop and check out etc, i know it aint mainstream anymore but then again it never would be if the shops aint supported.
as for nightlong , i bought that aswell ..set me back about 100 ukp ;( when i bought that, very expensive game, but still it was worth it in my eyes.., but then again u can pick that up at forematt.co.uk for 18 quid now (and thats v1.1 sets)...
anyway if a game is worth playing its worth buying, sadly there is alot of not worthy games out there atm , especially the period 98-2000 , games like Joyride, turboracer3d etc simply dont even justify a price at 7 quid...
but it doesnt jusity it for beeing abandonware like tosec claim it is (and it aint), apanosin was on tosec before there was an commercial release of it, just like the old days eh?... and apano sin wasnt infact a bad game either but i must admit i expected abit more of it..
i still buy old games from shops in euorpoe and usa, mostly because i am a collector and due to the fact that i love games, and it gives me a good feeling that i support the shops + own the games, but i have been burnt a few times with lame ass shops like " amigastuff.co.uk , amigagames.co.uk and epic uk , alive and archon...allof theese should have been closed down at the opening day, they publish illegal liscenses (they still do) and claim to have liscenses for ol games as xenon 2 on a cdr (cdtv version) and take money for it, same goes for monkey island 1,2 cd and fotaq cd...all are illegal and dubious cracks (i contacted the authors after i got the cds in my post and noticed it was cracks and a paper label on a cdr)
other games as fighting spirit and such is also redistrubuted from alive (now called amigagames.co.uk and amigastuff.co.uk) which again is illegal versions and not a dime goes to the developers,and guess what...they are still on amiga also , but they opened the games to bttr but not the cd versions (cd32)..
confusing? it should be.... :)
cheers
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x56h34 wrote:
My 2 cents. Sell it on Ebay and then donate the money to charity. That way, an Amiga user that wants to have your hardware will buy it, and the money still goes to a good cause.
I second that!
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by lempkee on 2003/11/15 19:31:16
Dammy: do you remeber when amithlon surfaced ? , people screamed it was totally legal etc and
Of course I remember that, Amiga Inc (Fleecy?) said it was a licensed product.
lot of people was lost to x86 because of amithlon and they wont come back and guess what only 5% maybe of them sticked with amithlon, rest use now windows and ignores amiga or uses uae now and then though less and less.
Unless you have some heavy duty surveys to qualify the above, your pulling that out of your ass. Seven million Amiga users didn't abandon the Amiga for UAE nor Amithlon. The reason people are using their Amigas less and less is either they are breaking from age/use or they are not sufficient to do what is required. It's been over ten years since Amiga was viable. Learn to accept reality and not call for violent crimes against people who do not think in the narrow little world of yours.
thats my point, this is why everything is as it is and why i am abit rude to the new kids on the block, sorry but i really never put amithlon behind me due to the fact i lost alot of friends because they moved over there and found out it wasnt as it was described (super puper fast and bla bla) , and that amigaos 4 was going x86 etc...made people leave amiga ppc and 68k... for x86, and they wont return unless something big happens..
OS5, according to Fleecy (he wouldn't lie, would he?;) will run on x86. There is no reason to return to the Amiga, it's old, it's getting cranky and too expensive to upgrade. The generic (CHiRP) PPC mobos are as much an amiga is any x86 is. Amiga was a special hardware platform that had a customized chipset that it's OS was tied to in an impressive final product. If anything lempkee, you should be flaming Eyetech for having the nerve to rebadge Teron mobos as Amigas.
anyway i always wish for amiga to be the Thing again but i dont think it ever will due to the fact that we have uae,amithlon,umilator,aros,morphos to make amiga just another....ummm thing.... though its nice to make it appeal to everyone but then again look at linux, it aint actually living wealthy because of sales number on the sw etc..
It won't be because there is no HARDWARE to go along with any Amiga like OS, that includes AROS/MOS/OS4. All of those are Amiga like and have valid reasons of being in existance. You maybe rooting for one, but that doesn't mean that those of us who are going with the open source version should be murdered for speaking up for our favorite Amiga like OS.
people dont buy sw or support the plattform unless the crack or whatever is crap, because they couldnt care less ... (majority speaking ofcourse) ..
i just hope people who use aros and morphos and uae and amithlon etc supports the market by registrating products and buys sw etc.
I got news for you, people are DONATING their MONEY to AROS as well as coding, designing logos and other significant efforts to improve AROS. AROS is a true commuity effort, we are all pitching in and do no deserve your knee jerk damnation. IF you don't like AROS on x86, wait for someone to finish the port to Pegasos, or Amigas, or dragonball based PDAs.
sorry for the long message, but i am just trying to explain my point of view as a developer and how the last 5? years have effected me and the people around me.
(i might get slayed when this has been read but i hope people will understand why and what...)
I'm starting to wonder if you understand AROS has been around for what, six years now?
Dammy
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@pickled_onion_man
Have you already given the PPC board away? otherwise I would really like to have it so I can start to develop on the Amiga. I have never had a PPC and I would really love to have one. I have looked everywhere for an PPC card but have not found one. I want to start to develop on my Amiga, but before I can start I really need an PPC.
I live in Sweden and I would gladly pay you for the shipping cost.
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@pickled_onion_man:
Are you sure you don't wanna go the eBay route and then give the money to a good cause? Just look at this auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2765145194) for a waaaay outdated A500 accelerator and tell me what you think.
You could get lucky and get a $1000USD for your BlizzardPPC if you find someone crazy enough on eBay (very likely!). ;-)