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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Hell Labs on January 30, 2010, 01:13:45 AM
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http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/amiga/a4000t.html&cart_id=4106377_5213
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/amiga/a1200.html&cart_id=4106377_5213
This guy (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30731&forum=25&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0) bought one of the 4000ts apparently. And yeah, they are new. Question is... why the insane prices? And why haven't they been written off to make more room by now? Can I win the lottery and build a pimped out A4KT?
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A4000T is the pinnacle of classic Amiga computing, no reason to give (or throw) away brand new ones!
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@Hell Labs - A LOT of their stuff is NOT in stock. Only way to know for sure is to E-mail Joe...
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I drove by there and looked in the window the other day, he's still got alot of stuff.
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You mean there's an actual brick and mortar shop? How does it make money? I'm confused here.
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It's a side/hobby business now, but I don't know what their main line of work is.
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I drove by there and looked in the window the other day, he's still got alot of stuff.
Oh man... I think now, in this day and age - if I were to walk/drive by an Amiga dealer still in business I'd, well... changing drawers and credit cards come to mind... lol
Seriously, I didn't know he had a storefront! Side hobby or business aside. He's still paying rent, mortgage, taxes, licenses and God knows what else ;)
Tone... do you ever go in there or is it by appointment only? Do you know Joe? I talked to him a few years ago about the lady that used to answer the phones for his company, back when I was a customer in the late 80's/early 90's. She was always very kind and pretty damn knowledgeable. Turned out it was a relative of his.
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I wouldn't say it's a storefront, but it has windows...
I do not know Joe, I just happened to be in the area while checking out 1200 Wilson Drive and 950 Rittenhouse Road.
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It's a side/hobby business now, but I don't know what their main line of work is.
I know softhut is a ghttp://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/other/clothes/flashwear/flashwear.html&cart_id=2791225_5839reat shop. I also know he has other interests such as this
I think softhut and amigakit are great dealers for us retro users.
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http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/amiga/a4000t.html&cart_id=4106377_5213
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/amiga/a1200.html&cart_id=4106377_5213
This guy (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30731&forum=25&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0) bought one of the 4000ts apparently. And yeah, they are new. Question is... why the insane prices? And why haven't they been written off to make more room by now? Can I win the lottery and build a pimped out A4KT?
Yup, a few of us have. You only have to justify it to yourself why you would or would not get one.
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You only have to justify it to yourself why you would or would not get one.
..and "why not?" counts as justification.
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Might as well break out these pics of MOS I grabbed again, now that I'm reminded of them...
http://jungle.net/tone/mos/mos.html
Not an Agnus to be found, sadly.
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Might as well break out these pics of MOS I grabbed again, now that I'm reminded of them...
http://jungle.net/tone/mos/mos.html
Not an Agnus to be found, sadly.
Looks like it could be stills from a future Half Life game.
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Might as well break out these pics of MOS I grabbed again, now that I'm reminded of them...
http://jungle.net/tone/mos/mos.html
Not an Agnus to be found, sadly.
Kind of sad when you see a big company close down and see the skeleton left behind. Kind of like that show on TV Life and Humans or whatever they call it. One day the walls will fall and new growth will over it all up like it was never there. :(
tj
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Kind of sad when you see a big company close down and see the skeleton left behind. Kind of like that show on TV Life and Humans or whatever they call it. One day the walls will fall and new growth will over it all up like it was never there. :(
tj
Yes, Life After Humans is a pretty good show... it does remind you of it... but not that bad yet.
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Kind of sad when you see a big company close down and see the skeleton left behind. Kind of like that show on TV Life and Humans or whatever they call it. One day the walls will fall and new growth will over it all up like it was never there. :(
tj
Was there actually a fab there?
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I saw those on the Softhut website last year. If I didn't have such a bad model airplane habit, I would be having me some of that four aught goodness ;-)
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Man, I have got to get my 4000T working again....:(
Not to hijaak the thread, but KatManDEW, I can totally relate to your 'bad model airplane habit' ... LOL... I just set out about 20 kits that I intend to sell, since there is just no way I can build them all.... That leaves only about 175 kits left to build.....
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Just a thought here. Other than stamping out the amiga chipset did mos tech do anything at all after 1985? If they had any sense they would have cloned the 68k...
Hopefully there's still some 4000s in stock by the time I have anough to buy one.
EDIT: What the hell is this?
(http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/amiga/developerbundle.html&cart_id=4106377_5213)
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Just a thought here. Other than stamping out the amiga chipset did mos tech do anything at all after 1985? If they had any sense they would have cloned the 68k...
Hopefully there's still some 4000s in stock by the time I have anough to buy one.
EDIT: What the hell is this?
(http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/amiga/developerbundle.html&cart_id=4106377_5213)
d'Amiga was a semi-official development system for the Tao/Intent Amiga Anywhere SDK. There's probably a press release about it if you dig through the Wayback Machine's archives of Amiga.com. As you'll see from the specs, it's just a standard PC with some software pre-installed. I remember the price being pretty fair for the time.
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Man, I have got to get my 4000T working again....:(
Not to hijaak the thread, but KatManDEW, I can totally relate to your 'bad model airplane habit' ... LOL... I just set out about 20 kits that I intend to sell, since there is just no way I can build them all.... That leaves only about 175 kits left to build.....
It's a sickness ;-) Anyone who thinks they're Amiga obsession is warped, perverse, or silly, can take comfort in the fact that there are worse addictions ;-)
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It's a sickness ;-) Anyone who thinks they're Amiga obsession is warped, perverse, or silly, can take comfort in the fact that there are worse addictions ;-)
though at this point I think a crack habit would be cheaper
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I suggest you ween yourself off with risc os. hardware is a lot cheaper.
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If you have the money to throw away, why not? Why not buy a brand spankin new A4kT... There are far more expensive hobbies than that... The url didnt work for me but whatever the price of that A4kT is, it wouldnt pay for a cam install in my Vette.. LOL. So, go enjoy spending $ on an A4kT if you choose.. eventually you're not going to be able to buy them brand new.
-Alex
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If you have the money to throw away, why not? Why not buy a brand spankin new A4kT... There are far more expensive hobbies than that... The url didnt work for me but whatever the price of that A4kT is, it wouldnt pay for a cam install in my Vette.. LOL. So, go enjoy spending $ on an A4kT if you choose.. eventually you're not going to be able to buy them brand new.
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Cam install? You mean you don't do it yourself?
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Cam install? You mean you don't do it yourself?
DIY work on cars can end up costing more than having it done professionally, not only in specialized tools but then there's always the possibility of "I screwed up and now my engine digested itself." There's alot to be said for work that comes with a warranty.
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Question is... why the insane prices? And why haven't they been written off to make more room by now? Can I win the lottery and build a pimped out A4KT?
Insane prices ?? Well maybe if you calculate that in monopoly-money, but once you transfer it to a realy currency it's not that far of from what you pay stuff on fleaBay.
And these have been used and abused for 15 years allready....
On a1k.org there is actually another guy who ordered an 4000T, taxes, customs and postage was a killer, otherwise I might be tempted.
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DIY work on cars can end up costing more than having it done professionally, not only in specialized tools but then there's always the possibility of "I screwed up and now my engine digested itself." There's alot to be said for work that comes with a warranty.
Yes indeed. I also do car modifications and repair with my two sons. Just last year I paid 7600.00 for a snap on Modis scanner/scope for the newer cars, and especially BMW as that is what I mostly work on in my spare time.
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What??
"Software includes: DOS 3.1"
Ugh! ;)
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DIY work on cars can end up costing more than having it done professionally, not only in specialized tools but then there's always the possibility of "I screwed up and now my engine digested itself." There's alot to be said for work that comes with a warranty.
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How can fixing your car yourself possibly cost more? Specialised tools? A spanner set, a screwdriver, and a ratchet you mean? And there's generally very little to screw up, put it back the same way to took it apart.
I really don't get the viewpoint. It's literally mechano for adults.
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What??
"Software includes: DOS 3.1"
Ugh! ;)
That reminds of a million thrill voices back in the early 90's
"but can it run windows 95!?!?!?"
Substitute for windows 3.1 as appropriate.
Ugh.. The memories.. they haunt me.
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:angry:
How can fixing your car yourself possibly cost more? Specialised tools? A spanner set, a screwdriver, and a ratchet you mean? And there's generally very little to screw up, put it back the same way to took it apart.
I really don't get the viewpoint. It's literally mechano for adults.
And how many engines have you had apart, Mr. Labs?
Sure, there's basic stuff like changing the oil and flushing the radiator that anyone can do, but fully disassembling an engine is better left to people who are qualified.
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And how many engines have you had apart, Mr. Labs?
Three. two BMC a-series, one 850cc mini unit with a blown head gasket, and another that needed conversion to run on unleaded fuel (valve seats on old engines get buggered up without lead, so it was easiest to replace the entire head as one unit). Also the engine of an old honda 125 (forget the exact bike but it was found in a ditch). That one wouldn't turn over no matter what, so we pulled it apart to find it entirely full of mud. Scrapped it.
Sure, there's basic stuff like changing the oil and flushing the radiator that anyone can do, but fully disassembling an engine is better left to people who are qualified.
Like people who can operate a ratchet? It's not hard, you can't really put the wrong part in the wrong place. A camshaft will not fit inside a carburator no matter how hard you push.
Anyway, I think we were talking about those "amiga" things?
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Lawnmowers don't count!
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Lawnmowers don't count!
Says the man from a country where both changing gear while driving in a streight line, and driving in a circle in identical cars count as motorsport. Seriously, American car enthusiasts should feel shame for nascar and drag racing.
EDIT: I'm also curious as to what you think needs "full disassembly of an engine". swapping cams is taking the cylinder heads off, and then putting them back on. And pretty much every time a car breaks down it's because X engine accessory broke, something that's usually easy to get to, or gasket failure which is also just taking the heads off, raplacing a sheet of cork, and putting it back on.
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Oh behave, Austin, the Americans race lawnmowers just like your people, too. http://uslmra.org
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uvhmi5sRvNI/Rk4jMM0k9jI/AAAAAAAAAHc/75hjosC3bZk/s320/nurburgring.gif)
Oh look, something american cars can't do.
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Oh look, something they can!
(http://baristanet.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/gas_prices_41106.gif)
and yes, thats dollars and gallons, not pounds and centilitres like over there.
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Says the man from a country where both changing gear while driving in a streight line, and driving in a circle in identical cars count as motorsport. Seriously, American car enthusiasts should feel shame for nascar and drag racing.
EDIT: I'm also curious as to what you think needs "full disassembly of an engine". swapping cams is taking the cylinder heads off, and then putting them back on. And pretty much every time a car breaks down it's because X engine accessory broke, something that's usually easy to get to, or gasket failure which is also just taking the heads off, raplacing a sheet of cork, and putting it back on.
Actually, as an american I have never watched nascar racing. Drag racing is ok just to see the tremendous amounts of power they can get to the pavement without breaking. Racing for me is road courses, car or bike doesnt matter. I generally like to root for the BMW teams. Turner BMW is my favorite, of course I buy a lot from Turner motorsports.
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Oh look, something american cars can't do.
I usually don't feed the trolls, but....
fastest production sedan @ nurburgring?
Cadillac CTS-V (7:59)
2nd fastest production coupe @ nurburgring?
Dodge Viper ACR (7:22.1)
(1st is the Gumpert Apollo Speed @ 7:11.5)
But, still, how exactly do American cars not "do" that, again?
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Might as well break out these pics of MOS I grabbed again, now that I'm reminded of them...
http://jungle.net/tone/mos/mos.html
Not an Agnus to be found, sadly.
That's because all of the Amiga's left in that place are sitting beside me right now. :) Someone I used to work for bought the salvage rights for the electrical switch gear and asked me if I wanted anything -- Every machine that hadn't been broken up by vandals is now here with me, 2 A2000's, 4 Commodore PC's and the boards/controllers for a Tank arcade game. :)
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I usually don't feed the trolls, but....
fastest production sedan @ nurburgring?
Cadillac CTS-V (7:59)
2nd fastest production coupe @ nurburgring?
Dodge Viper ACR (7:22.1)
(1st is the Gumpert Apollo Speed @ 7:11.5)
But, still, how exactly do American cars not "do" that, again?
To quote from the old arcade hit, I think it might have been "Punch Out":
BODY BLOW! BODY BLOW! JAB! Oooof! Well said, saved me the typing....
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Oh look, something they can!
(http://baristanet.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/gas_prices_41106.gif)
and yes, thats dollars and gallons, not pounds and centilitres like over there.
So american cars can can't use fuel efficiently? That makes very little sense. It's nice to see you post petrol station signs when american car companies proudly advertise 25mpg, as if it isn't terrible. Oh, and a centlitre is not what you think it is.
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Jeez you're dense.
What it means is fuel is way, way cheaper in the US.
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Cam install? You mean you don't do it yourself?
no.. too much work, too little time. On my previous race car, I did alot of work on it.. I just got tired of doing my own work so I took it to a race shop up the street from my house and got a good deal on it.
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Says the man from a country where both changing gear while driving in a streight line, and driving in a circle in identical cars count as motorsport. Seriously, American car enthusiasts should feel shame for nascar and drag racing.
EDIT: I'm also curious as to what you think needs "full disassembly of an engine". swapping cams is taking the cylinder heads off, and then putting them back on. And pretty much every time a car breaks down it's because X engine accessory broke, something that's usually easy to get to, or gasket failure which is also just taking the heads off, raplacing a sheet of cork, and putting it back on.
You're assuming that my car is stock. It wasnt a stock cam install, it was actually a pretty high-lift/duration cam, had to check piston-to-valve clearance, replace valve springs to what the cam needed, check spring install height, check pushrod length.. and yes, on a C6 Corvette, its actually easier to do a cam install by removing the engine. After that was done, it was dyno tuned. I'm fixing to install nitrous on it though :) This isnt a rinky-dink BMW with a blown headgasket. LOL
As far as "american car enthusiats should feel shame" blah blah.. nobody cares, at least I dont. I like drag racing, I like whatever racing is going on in your part of the world. I dont like NASCAR. I'm also into restored classic cars, any type of forced induction based vehicle (aftermarket installs)..anything that has to do with cars and horsepower.
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Around here nothing after a C3 is even refered to as a Corvette, they're just Chevy's.
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Around here nothing after a C3 is even refered to as a Corvette, they're just Chevy's.
Anything before a C6 isnt acknowledged down here in Texas.
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While we're on the subject of Texas I would like to thank all of Texas for giving the rest of the country George Bush. We wouldn't be the same without him! ;)
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It's true, simplistic vehicles are easier to work on with basic tools and a little common sense. Complex repair of real cars however is simply not possible without a good education and thousands of dollars in special tools and service literature. Reconditioning heads on a V8 or V12 Mercedes for example is no joke to do properly. (Fortunately, cars are more reliable these days and usually go longer intervals before major repairs are needed.)
On a late model vehicle, try diagnosing a climate control fault without specialized diagnostic equipment. Not gonna happen. :)
My perspective on this comes from growing up in a family owned independent Benz garage.
Nascar sucks BTW. MotoGP FTW. :)
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Jeez you're dense.
What it means is fuel is way, way cheaper in the US.
Well thats one advantage of invading oil rich Gulf states every ten years
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This isnt a rinky-dink BMW with a blown headgasket.
Ladies and gentlemen, this man thinks BMW fitted A-series engines to their cars.
(http://www.fsu.edu/%7Ecrimdo/images/clapping.GIF)
For referance, The A-series is a British design used in cars for about fifty years.
@Damion: What do do define as a real car? It can't be mercedes, those toys have utterly terrible gearboxes. A choice between boringmatic and a manual designed by fred flintstone is no choice at all. Also, If I needed a new cylinder head I'd probably just buy one (parts are cheap for "real cars") rather than refurb it.
@tone007: We use the fuel taxes to pay for healthcare, that way people can actually get it. Also, our car companies aren't dense enough to think 25mpg is good. it's 40 or more.
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We use the fuel taxes to pay for healthcare
carburator streight raplacing ween
Well, they certainly aren't spending any on education... It's ok, all the misspellings are cute and quirky, just like you.
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We use the fuel taxes to pay for healthcare
referance carburator streight raplacing ween
Well, they certainly aren't spending any on education... It's ok, all the misspellings are cute and quirky, just like you.
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Well, they certainly aren't spending any on education... It's ok, all the misspellings are cute and quirky, just like you.
...And you prove this by quoting a phrase full of random words I never said? Seriously.
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...And you prove this by quoting a phrase full of random words I never said? Seriously.
Oh, you typed each one of those words in this very thread. Go on, proofread it and correct them all.
Then go back and do the other 120-odd posts.
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...And you prove this by quoting a phrase full of random words I never said? Seriously.
Oh, you typed each one of those words in this very thread. Go on, proofread it and correct them all.
Then go back and do the other 170-odd posts.
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You know, five typos isn't a lot. Especially when using a brand new keyboard.
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And you know there's a difference between typos and misspellings.
What must the Queen think of you butchering her English?!
I'm sure she'll forgive you, just be more careful in the future. You're a representative of your country.
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I don't care.
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Nascar sucks BTW.
;)
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And you know there's a difference between typos and misspellings.
What must the Queen think of you butchering her English?!
I'm sure she'll forgive you, just be more careful in the future. You're a representative of your country.
She doesn't care, as she's German :)
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@Damion: What do do define as a real car? It can't be mercedes, those toys have utterly terrible gearboxes. A choice between boringmatic and a manual designed by fred flintstone is no choice at all.
Exactly which Mercedes have you driven? Which gearbox are you referring to?
Also, If I needed a new cylinder head I'd probably just buy one (parts are cheap for "real cars") rather than refurb it.
New cylinder heads for German cars are usually very expensive, and obviously don't come assembled. Sorry, you'll still need more than a "ratchet".
@tone007: We use the fuel taxes to pay for healthcare, that way people can actually get it. .
A friend of mine emigrating from the UK says that many people in Britain maintain some sort of private insurance, because of potential long waiting periods for specialty care. (A quick google search shows a plethora of such plans.) I have absolutely no desire to defend the US healthcare system, but yours isn't without its share of problems.
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A friend of mine emigrating from the UK says that many people in Britain maintain some sort of private insurance, because of potential long waiting periods for specialty care. (A quick google search shows a plethora of such plans.) I have absolutely no desire to defend the US healthcare system, but yours isn't without its share of problems.
Without a desire to dredge up this debate too much but... the wait time of a person with no insurance is pretty long, and going to the ER isn't free.
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Without a desire to dredge up this debate too much but... the wait time of a person with no insurance is pretty long, and going to the ER isn't free.
Eh? If you're on about the UK, then the entire thing is free. Well, bar stuff like plastic surgery and spray on hair pescriptions, so the average american would be no better off.:lol:
Oh, and Damion: I've driven exactly zero merecdes, but I've heard plenty about them and done minor repairs on a few e-classes. The all I've ever heard (from the cab company that runs them) is that The manuals are shite.
Also, nobody but daily mail readers have health insurance in the uk. The real people (The daily mail reader would call these proles) don't bother because it offers absolutely no advantage whatsoever. As soon as the NHS knows they can't treat you fast enough (for anything from an ingrown toenail to a weird rare form of flesh eating disease) they pay for you to go private anyway.
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@Thread
Any chance the pseudo-politics can be taken to the CH? They have no relevance to Amigas.
@Hell Labs
Is there any reason why most of the threads you're posting on seem to develop into childish name-calling?
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I've driven exactly zero merecdes,
Thanks, at least you were honest. 'Nuff said. :)
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@Thread
Any chance the pseudo-politics can be taken to the CH? They have no relevance to Amigas.
@Hell Labs
Is there any reason why most of the threads you're posting on seem to develop into childish name-calling?
So far only two of them did that, I consider it a skill. I did actually try to steer it back onto amigas but it didn't work.
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car talk was fun.. now back to the subject at hand..
purchasing a A4kT brand new from softhut..
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So far only two of them did that, I consider it a skill. I did actually try to steer it back onto amigas but it didn't work.
I suppose I'm just becoming less tolerant of (the large number of) people on this forum who seem to be incapable of discussing opposing viewpoints without calling each other names. It's quite pathetic really.
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