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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: runequester on January 29, 2010, 10:35:28 PM
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In any given amiga discussion:
7 guys having fun with retro computers and playing old games
9 guys going "man, I remember Chaos Engine.. that was pimp!"
3 dudes in the corner muttering about Amiga will take over the world
78 PC owners who have to barge in and talk about how much better their Pentium was 8 years later
Anyone Im missing?
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In any given amiga discussion:
7 guys having fun with retro computers and playing old games
9 guys going "man, I remember Chaos Engine.. that was pimp!"
3 dudes in the corner muttering about Amiga will take over the world
78 PC owners who have to barge in and talk about how much better their Pentium was 8 years later
Anyone Im missing?
Yeah,
1 guy trying to categorize amiga users into a list.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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one guy who finds the amiga for the fist time MANY years after the bankcrupcy of commodore and is very suprised it's still beeing developed by actual companies.
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some people wondering how much money they can get the amiga users to pay for a new system.
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A whole bunch of crazies paying 1997 prices for used hardware in 2010.
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a select few who have crazy ideas of giving up the defacto standard platform they are on today and moving over to Amiga 100% and and become anti-establishment all over again. tj
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a select few who have crazy ideas of giving up the defacto standard platform they are on today and moving over to Amiga 100% and and become anti-establishment all over again. tj
Sounds like you should've bought my AmigaOne instead of my CSPPC.
edit: or in addition to! ;)
edit again: unless you weren't referring to yourself.
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Sounds like you should've bought my AmigaOne instead of my CSPPC.
edit: or in addition to! ;)
edit again: unless you weren't referring to yourself.
Actually, I was. Hehehe. I was VERY tempted on getting that system but being nostalgic, did the A4000T route instead. Then will save for an X1000 one day. Tj
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I've actually just aquired a copy of lightwave, the only catagory of software (3d) that stops me from 24/7 amigaing. Oh, and games of course. 'sall good.
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You missed out on the smug Apple-worshipping idiot who joins in to tell us about how he's in love with his iPhone and how it's everything Amiga should be now.
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Idiot is such a strong word, I believe the preferred nomenclature is "fanboy."
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What, popular?
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Idiot is such a strong word, I believe the preferred nomenclature is "fanboy."
Or "Mactard."
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An Apple fanboy/Mactard isn't necessarily an idiot, but one who posts on an Amiga forum comparing their brand new technology with hundreds of millions of dollars of marketing, research and development to either 25 year old Amiga technology or the hobby OS maintained by a small handful of developers that is AmigaOS4 is being idiotic and annoying. Just like those who expect Hyperion to port AmigaOS4 to x86 after they've spent years working on a PPC OS that's still not finished.
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Well, there's comparing the technology subjectively (which obviously makes no sense) and then there's comparing the feeling the respective technologies gave you. Maybe the "new and fun" factor of the iPhone made someone feel like they did when the Amiga was the "new and fun" thing.
I'm not an old-school Amiga user by any means, and I was quite bored with computers when I decided to pick up an Amiga a couple of years ago. I know the "new and fun" feeling, and understand people seeking it out.
It's not about computers, it's about feelings!
edit: I will also add, I'm not an iPhone user.
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I think the Mac 'Fanbois' are worse. Intel fanbois tip there hat to Amd fanbois when they get beat.
If we were perfect Amiga Users we would all switch to x86 and Linux because the last two companies didn't want to spend any 'real' money upgrading the OS. Or putting out hardware.
It's just upsetting how a computer platform that was making money got shelved by Gateway. Companies like Nintendo and Apple took action when they were taking losses, we got booted. :confused:
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You missed out on the smug Apple-worshipping idiot who joins in to tell us about how he's in love with his iPhone and how it's everything Amiga should be now.
:laughing: Good one!
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Only thing worse than a Mactard is a linux lunkhead, In every thread, conversation etc, telling us if Jesus ever gave up his iphone, he would be using Linux, because it is God's gift the the humble masses.never mind that the typical linux user can't even make up his mind one one linux, but to have thousands and then try to justify it on every god darn electronic device on the face of the earth.. Linux in my teabag, Linux power toiletpaper , linux powered tampons etc... OPPS, starting to rant..
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, linux powered tampons etc...
Haven't seen those..must be bleeding edge tech...
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Apple introduced the iPad to compete with the Linux-powered tampon market.
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Apple introduced the iPad to compete with the Linux-powered tampon market.
The LPT market is already over-saturated.
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Yes, but the LPT market does have monthly downloads :hammer:
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Yes but users are forced to accept their downloads every month, even if they object.
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Or "Mactard."
Or "Macorak".
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Jelousy much?
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I think we hurt a Mactard's feelings.
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Yes, but the LPT market does have monthly downloads :hammer:
*chortle*
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I think we hurt a Mactard's feelings.
The thing is, throwing words like "mactard" around., you sound just as helplessly fanboi as the guy you're deriding.
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The thing is, throwing words like "mactard" around., you sound just as helplessly fanboi as the guy you're deriding.
Rebel isn't hanging around on Mac forums spamming Amiga advertisements every day. So no, he really doesn't sound the same.
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Rebel isn't hanging around on Mac forums spamming Amiga advertisements every day. So no, he really doesn't sound the same.
Slight exaggeration, there. Thus far, he's made 175 posts, about a dozen of which are along the lines of "this was/is so much easier on the mac". Admittedly, some of those were highly ridiculous but people are entitled to their opinion.
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Perhaps some people just like computers where installing a peice of software doesn't involve hours of googling for bizzare version numbers of libs because aminet is either on the blink or only has an incompatable version. I'm looking at you, netsurf.:roflmao:
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Slight exaggeration, there. Thus far, he's made 175 posts, about a dozen of which are along the lines of "this was/is so much easier on the mac". Admittedly, some of those were highly ridiculous but people are entitled to their opinion.
And before anybody starts, my lack of love for Mac is a matter of public record ;-)
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..but getting the software working on an Amiga is (more than) half the fun!
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..but getting the software working on an Amiga is (more than) half the fun!
:lol: That's certainly true in a lot of cases.
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Alright forum, when was the last time any of you used an amiga for any form of productive work at all?
And how do I make the above sentance not sound really bitchy in my head?
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About six months before the turn of the century. It was an accident. Before that you'd have to go back another 5 years....
Alright forum, when was the last time any of you used an amiga for any form of productive work at all?
And how do I make the above sentance not sound really bitchy in my head?
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Alright forum, when was the last time any of you used an amiga for any form of productive work at all?
And how do I make the above sentance not sound really bitchy in my head?
These days, I use openoffice on my linux box for creating documents and whatnot.
I did mess around with deluxepaint 4 last week, since I enjoy that program, but Amiga these days is all about gaming.
Back in the day, I used it for everything.
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Alright forum, when was the last time any of you used an amiga for any form of productive work at all?
And how do I make the above sentance not sound really bitchy in my head?
Must have been about 1999 or 2000.
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15 minutes ago.
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Alright forum, when was the last time any of you used an amiga for any form of productive work at all?
And how do I make the above sentance not sound really bitchy in my head?
Why on earth would anyone want to use an Amiga for doing something productive? Amigas are for fun... experimenting, WHDLoad, learning about computers, etc. The most productive thing I do is stream jazz and downtempo ambient off the 'net with my A1200/Melody Pro. :P
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I prefer the term 'iWhore' I know.. cuz I am an iWhore as well as an Amiga fanatic.. damn no wonder I am always broke!
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@Damion
I agree. Amigas are for fun. :)
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Alright forum, when was the last time any of you used an amiga for any form of productive work at all?
Just last night.
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Must have been about 1999 or 2000.
Same here. Although I intend on playing with the Toaster, DCTV paint Dpaint 4 and some games again. I just downloaded Octamed 4 which I never used before. Should be fun.
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Just last night.
Out of curiosity, what did you do on it?
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Anyone Im missing?
Amiga users bashing PC/Windows/Mac/Linux while rebooting their Amiga cause an application has just brought everything down: "man ! It boots so much faster than my Windoze 3Ghz box !"
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3 dudes in the corner muttering about Amiga will take over the world
It's not about conquering the world.
The point is simply a hobby.
It is about writing software for something that is not pc. And it is as fast.
Hobby does not mean making every detail of one thousand hours instead of 15 minutes.
Because of the weaker Amiga does not work.
Hobby is writing software for the Amiga without premature optimization.
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Amiga users bashing PC/Windows/Mac/Linux while rebooting their Amiga cause an application has just brought everything down: "man ! It boots so much faster than my Windoze 3Ghz box !"
*Reboots for 5th time in hour*
Man this boot time is so fast! whoa!
*Opens Wookiechat, OWB*
*system freezes*
*reboots for 6th time in hour*
I think it's clear the amigaish systems only boot/respond faster because there's absolutely nothing holding them together other than hopes and dreams. Once you get an app that doesn't want to play nice for whatever reason, the entire thing falls down. If only someone at motorolla put in an MMU...
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*Reboots for 5th time in hour*
Man this boot time is so fast! whoa!
*Opens Wookiechat, OWB*
*system freezes*
*reboots for 6th time in hour*
I think it's clear the amigaish systems only boot/respond faster because there's absolutely nothing holding them together other than hopes and dreams. Once you get an app that doesn't want to play nice for whatever reason, the entire thing falls down. If only someone at motorolla put in an MMU...
Well, it was also kitbashed together over time. The typical amiga OS install has a ton of stuff that was pieced together from a ton of different sources, much of which was never expected when they wrote the OS (the various internet stuff f.x.)
So I guess its a wonder that it does work as much as it does :)
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The bloody thing has been unstable since day one, clean installed systems guru. It's part of the Amiga charm. Hey we crash, but look how fast we reboot! Amiagish systems are a fun hobby but can anyone seriously depend on them?
Too many rose coloured glasses around I think. Just enjoy the hobby and stop dreaming of world domination.
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The bloody thing has been unstable since day one, clean installed systems guru. It's part of the Amiga charm. Hey we crash, but look how fast we reboot! Amiagish systems are a fun hobby but can anyone seriously depend on them?
Too many rose coloured glasses around I think. Just enjoy the hobby and stop dreaming of world domination.
Mine was pretty stable but it was a base A1200 install, and didn't get expanded a whole lot other than a hard drive. I never messed with 1.3 and 2.0 workbench much so they may well have been much worse.
You can't always blame the OS for a dodgy application, though you can most certainly blame it for failing to deal with the dodgy application.
But yes, no world domination. Just relax and have fun with it.
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Wow, some of you are definitely holding on to some old hatred! :)
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Well, it was also kitbashed together over time. The typical amiga OS install has a ton of stuff that was pieced together from a ton of different sources, much of which was never expected when they wrote the OS (the various internet stuff f.x.)
So I guess its a wonder that it does work as much as it does :)
I like to think of "updated" amigas like cars in a demolition derby game. Banged up pretty badly with the wheels wobbling over the place, large sections of the structure worryingly absent, was put together from the wrecks of three others, and it's also on fire. Yet somehow, it still moves.
wb 3.1 with the commercial software of the era is pretty stable. wb 3.9 is in a twlight zone where people using it want to use whatever the latest software is, but that means downloading all sorts of weird crap to add to the system. pretty soon it's wobbling all over the place and you can see daylight through the floor.
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I like to think of "updated" amigas like cars in a demolition derby game. Banged up pretty badly with the wheels wobbling over the place, large sections of the structure worryingly absent, was put together from the wrecks of three others, and it's also on fire. Yet somehow, it still moves.
wb 3.1 with the commercial software of the era is pretty stable. wb 3.9 is in a twlight zone where people using it want to use whatever the latest software is, but that means downloading all sorts of weird crap to add to the system. pretty soon it's wobbling all over the place and you can see daylight through the floor.
Thats the best analogy for it I have heard :)
Thanks
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i think the Amiga's crashing have been exagerated here.
My A4000 68060 with CV 64 was very stable. i used it for many things Photogenics, ImageFx, Cd burning, hell I even typed out soemone's divorce submissions in Wordworth. It crashed, but that was nearly always due to reproduceable bug in the app, and not every hour as some people have said.
I knew an Amiga "pirate" ( I know shame on me) who had an A4000 with a warp engine who never switched it off and had up times in the weeks, and this guy had dozens of patches, mcp, cgx all the while downloading, uploading, irc'ing, browsing, YAM, burning from 4 scsi cdr's (he was into PS1 at the time), and word processing for a thesis in Final Writer, using a heavily configured DOpus 4. His dOpus 4 config truly was amazing, like nothing I've seen before or since. But he really knew what he was doing in that he knew how to configure his system to avoid conflicts. At the time he was multitasking so many things that it would have brought the piping hot P3/Win98 systems to a grinding halt. I remember PC dudes picking up their freshly burnt copies of ps1 games who believed he had some built for piracy custom rig..I remember him refusing to upgrade to 3.9 because he just could not get the stability he had with 3.1.
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Yup, there must be something wrong with my OS3.5 A1200t, as it crashes so infrequently that I can't remember when it last happened. Must apply some more patches I suppose :hammer:
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It's part of the Amiga charm
I wouldn't call that crashes faster than it boots a "charm" :)
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I think somebody should make an amiga clone board that reboots if you slam lots of random keys repeatedly. Would make the whole thing much more efficent.
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I like to think of "updated" amigas like cars in a demolition derby game. Banged up pretty badly with the wheels wobbling over the place, large sections of the structure worryingly absent, was put together from the wrecks of three others, and it's also on fire. Yet somehow, it still moves.
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Amiga OS 3.9 has jpeg.datatype.
Amiga Os 3.1 has not.
The idea of resignation from the jpeg, as something someone in the Amiga Os 3.9 does not like, is extremely stupid.
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Amiga OS 3.9 has jpeg.datatype.
Amiga Os 3.1 has not.
The idea of resignation from the jpeg, as something someone in the Amiga Os 3.9 does not like, is extremely stupid.
Dunno, but quoting and then writing some out of context incoherent drabble surely ain't no sign of "smart" either ....
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Amiga OS 3.9 has jpeg.datatype.
Amiga Os 3.1 has not.
The idea of resignation from the jpeg, as something someone in the Amiga Os 3.9 does not like, is extremely stupid.
Does anybody here know what this guy is talking about? I sure don't.
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Does anybody here know what this guy is talking about? I sure don't.
It will only make sense if you have the mega-fast RAMS CHIPS in your G4 to decode it.
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I think somebody should make an amiga clone board that reboots if you slam lots of random keys repeatedly. Would make the whole thing much more efficent.
I have one! :roflmao:
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It will only make sense if you have the mega-fast RAMS CHIPS in your G4 to decode it.
If mega-fast RAMS CHIPS sense it in your G4 it will only make it decode.
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The bloody thing has been unstable since day one, clean installed systems guru. It's part of the Amiga charm. Hey we crash, but look how fast we reboot! Amiagish systems are a fun hobby but can anyone seriously depend on them?
Too many rose coloured glasses around I think. Just enjoy the hobby and stop dreaming of world domination.
In the days of yore, my basic OS 3.1 A1200 with HD and 4MB expansion had an uptime of about a month before I had to reboot it. Things were less stable when I got my 040 card. After that, the longest it stayed up was about 12 days, IIRC.
Eventually I succumb to the urge to install all sorts of hacks and patches and I ended up with a chicken soup system but I've reverted slightly since then. Even today it doesn't usually crash unless a buggy app takes it down though I suspect by now the hardware will need some attention. I've not tried to run it for more than a day or so, so the jury's out.
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In the days of yore, my basic OS 3.1 A1200 with HD and 4MB expansion had an uptime of about a month before I had to reboot it. Things were less stable when I got my 040 card. After that, the longest it stayed up was about 12 days, IIRC.
Eventually I succumb to the urge to install all sorts of hacks and patches and I ended up with a chicken soup system but I've reverted slightly since then. Even today it doesn't usually crash unless a buggy app takes it down though I suspect by now the hardware will need some attention. I've not tried to run it for more than a day or so, so the jury's out.
Sadly a "chicken soup" setup is the only way to run recent aos software. It sucks.
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Sadly a "chicken soup" setup is the only way to run recent aos software. It sucks.
I don't think that's particularly true. My classic machine doesn't crash just by running everyday apps and it's pretty Frankenstein as far as hardware goes. On the software side, though, it's pretty much a bare 3.9 install with a few additional libraries and drivers to support the PPC, gfx card and NIC.
My UAE installation, which is pretty patched up with AfA OS and the like isn't particularly unstable either.
I don't get to reproduce your experience, anyway.
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I don't think that's particularly true. My classic machine doesn't crash just by running everyday apps and it's pretty Frankenstein as far as hardware goes. On the software side, though, it's pretty much a bare 3.9 install with a few additional libraries and drivers to support the PPC, gfx card and NIC.
My UAE installation, which is pretty patched up with AfA OS and the like isn't particularly unstable either.
I don't get to reproduce your experience, anyway.
Its interesting that AmigaOS stability complaints seem more common today then they were at the Amiga's height of popularity. In fact stability was something amiga users used take pride in about their machines. Maybe due to the hardware getting flaky now, or maybe the current users aren't as knowledgeable in setting up a stable classic environment.
I'm presently using a classicWB Lite environment on an A1200 68060 and its as solid as a rock, even running whdload demos. Not a single crash in weeks now, although I run it on average about 3-4 hours at a time to play games or do some DPaint/PPaint/Brilliance/Scala stuff. Runs like greased lightning too
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I'm presently using a classicWB Lite environment on an A1200 68060 and its as solid as a rock, even running whdload demos. Not a single crash in weeks now, although I run it on average about 3-4 hours at a time to play games or do some DPaint/PPaint/Brilliance/Scala stuff. Runs like greased lightning too
Have to agree there. My A1200 is the same way, and it's loaded with a myriad of patches, custom ROM, PFS3 filesystem, and an Apollo accelerator card. :P
The Zorro machines add lots of variables that can make it difficult to get a stable system. My A2000 was a nightmare to get running properly, right down to the cards having to be in "just the right" slots for everything to play nice. (I thought my PIV was failing (flickering lines and crashes), moved it down a slot and everything is perfect. The Ariadne 2 MUST be in one of the last two slots, etc.) In comparison, I can simply enjoy using the 1200 without spending hours hunting down strange/obscure faults.
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But you have to love the feeling when you get things running right. It's the best feeling in the world!! Well, the second best. ;)
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So true, it's extremely gratifying when everything falls into place. Er, with the computers I mean. ;)
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I've found once I get everything working right, I tend to stop using the system and move on to another one. I guess I just love fitting square blocks into round holes.
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I think I fit into that category a little also. I also seem to have about 3 or 4 projects going at once and instead of quickly finishing one, I keep rotating between them doing things so it takes forever to really complete one.
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I think I fit into that category a little also. I also seem to have about 3 or 4 projects going at once and instead of quickly finishing one, I keep rotating between them doing things so it takes forever to really complete one.
Ahh, the pentium 4 method.