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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Mightyzorlac on January 23, 2010, 05:22:49 PM
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http://www.a-eon.com/6.html (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.a-eon.com%2F6.html&h=158e42a42ab355b7b4746c529c2e44d3) A new amiga is comming out in 2010 is this for real?
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I think you are lagging slightly behind current events, maybe :-)
The machine in question is is the AmigaOne X1000. All we know for sure is that it has a dual core PPC processor, possibly 64-bit (or 32-bit/PAE) as inferred from the presence of 4 DDR slots, 2 PCIe 16x slots (both run at half speed if each slot are populated), an XMOS "custom" chip (some sort of event-driven IO processor by the sound of it) and associated expansion slot and designed to run AmigaOS 4.x.
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But now.... AMIGA X1000 is set for a Summer 2010 release!
Specs, along with Amiga OS 4.2, will make this machine sing! Apparently Hyperion also has some kind of top-secret killer app ready for release with the new machine.
http://www.a-eon.com/6.html (http://www.a-eon.com/6.html)
(btw, for some classic Amiga fun, there are some hidden pages on the site.. change the number from 6 to any number betwen 1 and 5 for some fun! Includes a classic Amiga GURU message lol)
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(Reply move from wrong thread)
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sorry posted it in the wrong bit i just could belive this what do u think?
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sorry posted it in the wrong bit i just could belive this what do u think?
Speaking as a long term amiga user I'm always wary of "new hardware" news announcements. Until I see one in the wild, running OS4.x, the jury is out.
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But now.... AMIGA X1000 is set for a Summer 2010 release!
Specs, along with Amiga OS 4.2, will make this machine sing! Apparently Hyperion also has some kind of top-secret killer app ready for release with the new machine.
http://www.a-eon.com/6.html (http://www.a-eon.com/6.html)
(btw, for some classic Amiga fun, there are some hidden pages on the site.. change the number from 6 to any number betwen 1 and 5 for some fun! Includes a classic Amiga GURU message lol)
Yes. This news is weeks old now. There are already a half dozen threads about it.
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It's not an Amiga X1000, it's an AmigaOne X1000, A-Eon do not have permission to use the Amiga name.....
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But now.... AMIGA X1000 is set for a Summer 2010 release!
If they're not late, as always !!!
Specs, along with Amiga OS 4.2, will make this machine sing!
I think they might skip os4.2 and go directly to os5. Why ? Else they have to rewrite everything, again...
x303 :D :D :D
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I have so much confidence in them I went out and bought an efika.:lol:
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I think you are lagging slightly behind current events, maybe :-)
The machine in question is is the AmigaOne X1000. All we know for sure is that it has a dual core PPC processor, possibly 64-bit (or 32-bit/PAE) as inferred from the presence of 4 DDR slots, 2 PCIe 16x slots (both run at half speed if each slot are populated), an XMOS "custom" chip (some sort of event-driven IO processor by the sound of it) and associated expansion slot and designed to run AmigaOS 4.x.
As for me, whether or not the machine ever exists or is seen "in the wild", it's a FAIL at the point where it is PPC. Unless of course Motorola has invented a 4 core 3.0+ GigaHertz chip that no one on Earth has ever seen.
Sorry guys. I know this ruffles all sorts of feathers and pisses off the fanboys, but even the linux guys know that the x86 chip (whether intel, amd, or whatever) is where it's at. Hell, even Apple knows. Seems the only ones who don't are the religious faithful holding on desperately to 10 year decaying technology.
Really want to impress me?
Want to sell machines to people (aside from the devout fanboys)?
Pull an Apple out of your hat and re-core AmigaOS around a Linux/BSD distro... EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO RUN IT ON CLOSED HARDWARE like Apple tries to do with their systems.
Sure, there are hackintoshes. I own one (Vostro A90 netbook), but Amiga could easily resolve that just like Apple did when they got rid of Atom processor support in 10.6.2.
Wayne
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Want to sell machines to people (aside from the devout fanboys)?
Pull an Apple out of your hat and re-core AmigaOS around a Linux/BSD distro... EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO RUN IT ON CLOSED HARDWARE like Apple tries to do with their systems.
You know what Wayne? In the late 90's when Jim Collas's Gateway Amiga dropped QNX and announced doing just that, I went nuts. In hindsight, that would have been the best move possible. It is a shame I couldn't see passed my blond cheerleader wig and pom poms back then :(
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It is a shame I couldn't see passed my blond cheerleader wig and pom poms back then :(
Neither could Collas :laughing:
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It's not an Amiga X1000, it's an AmigaOne X1000, A-Eon do not have permission to use the Amiga name.....
FYI, AmigaOne is using the Amiga name. Or I won't get in trouble when I release my new DellOne machine?
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As for me, whether or not the machine ever exists or is seen "in the wild", it's a FAIL at the point where it is PPC. Unless of course Motorola has invented a 4 core 3.0+ GigaHertz chip that no one on Earth has ever seen.
Sorry guys. I know this ruffles all sorts of feathers and pisses off the fanboys, but even the linux guys know that the x86 chip (whether intel, amd, or whatever) is where it's at. Hell, even Apple knows. Seems the only ones who don't are the religious faithful holding on desperately to 10 year decaying technology.
Wayne
I'm a fanboy so I'm really really upset with that statement Wayne!
Actually, I think even Hyperion would love to port OS4.x to X86 but they face two huge obstacles........time and money.
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Pull an Apple out of your hat and re-core AmigaOS around a Linux/BSD distro... EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO RUN IT ON CLOSED HARDWARE like Apple tries to do with their systems.
http://www.anubis-os.org needs Linux/AOS Developers. Biggest issue since MrBIOS took over as Project Leader is getting Developers to agree on a starting point where the future development can evolve to the project's original goal and not throw out POSIX, but keep it hidden from end users. With limited number of Devs, it's a really tricky middle of the ground to find and have everyone agree to so that development can begin. Yes, it'll be x86/x86_64/ARM based. I expect to see bounties listed on Power2People in the next six months for Anubis-OS.
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Honestly, building a new OS and running the old one sandboxed for backwards compatibility, apple style, would have been the best option. They shouldn't have done os4, morphos, aros, none of it. not even OS 3.5 and 3.9. The amiga platform has been handled so badly, shuffled around by companies with no plan and no real way of doing it anyway, it's shocking. Best of luck to anubis-os, that's what should have happened in the 90s.
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You wouldn't get very far with AppleOne either, but let's face it, Amiga Inc aren't in any position to mount a battle over the name "AmigaOne." They probably won't be able to trademark it, but you can't start a new company based on a product using somebody else's trademark, so plain "Amiga" for the X1000 is out of the question. I've also heard the name BOINC.
Hyperion have a lcense to use the AmigaOS name...
FYI, AmigaOne is using the Amiga name. Or I won't get in trouble when I release my new DellOne machine?
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"AmigaOS around a Linux/BSD distro"
Yawn...yet another Linux distro. You all buy brand new Commodores* then, don't you?
* I'm talking about this standard x86 PC stuff that were/is sold from the owner of this name...
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AROS Forever :)
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Im with Wayne on this one. Hyperion need to stop farting around with PPC, it was great back in the day but who cares now?
I want to play with OS4.x but Ill tell ya all now boys and girls, a lot of people find it hard to put £500+ quid into a box made of obsolete hardware that has no hope of being your main computer anytime soon. So bring in x86. Even if chipset support is limited, all of a sudden I can put a system together for peanuts, I can dual boot it and run Windows or Linux for stuff Amiga OS cant do (yet) and I can go online or into almost any PC retailer and buy it.
Where is the common sense with the people in charge of Amigas? :confused: Its always been like this, I wish it would change and they would get their game plan sorted. I guess all us little people who haunt forums like this can see what it could be but drop our heads when another false promise is heard.
I swear if I had millions of pounds Id take it all away from these muppets and show them how its done :lol: I know it wouldnt make moeny but hey, it'd be fun, and thats why we have (or had) an Amiga in the first place isnt it? :)
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I dont understand what Hyperion are up to.
Obviously they have the product finished and working, otherwise they would be fools to advertise it to a community that's all too cynical due to the amount of vapour we've had over the years. So why are they not releasing it til the summer?
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I personally wish AmigaOS would end up as an x86 VM, and thus never ever be tied to a physical motherboard.
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I personally wish AmigaOS would end up as an x86 VM, and thus never ever be tied to a physical motherboard.
Not so sure about the VM bit!!
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Virtual is the new reality! There's nothing different about a VM, heck if Amiga were X86 you could run virtual Macs or PCs in it! It makes no difference who's the host and who's the guest....
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Maybe they mean with dual core, x86 & ppc ?! :laughing:
x303 :D :D :D
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@All,
I'm not interested in an x86 OS. I don't wan't another power hog, I have one already. So please, no more x86. Power Miser computing is what I'm looking for, If I need some thing else I have a monster waiting.
Chris
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Some X86 chips consume more power than others, that's why there are different CPUs for laptops. It depends on your needs, my MacPro consumes more power than my iPhone, which is too be expected. But as a retro enthusiast I realise that old equipment really sucks the juice, my Amiga 3000 draws more power than my MacPro, so I guess it's just what you need where and what you are willing to pay for.
Me, I'm more concerned that I have enough CPU power to do what I need/want to do, a lacklustre processor that consumes low power frankly doesn't interest me. I've got a farm of intel cpus that don't really care what OS I run on them, they're cheap and pretty efficient, any OS should just run on readily available equipment and not rely on pricey specialised chips.
@All,
I'm not interested in an x86 OS. I don't wan't another power hog, I have one already. So please, no more x86. Power Miser computing is what I'm looking for, If I need some thing else I have a monster waiting.
Chris
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@All,
I'm not interested in an x86 OS. I don't wan't another power hog, I have one already. So please, no more x86. Power Miser computing is what I'm looking for, If I need some thing else I have a monster waiting.
Chris
They could do a machine running on ARM chips. They don't appear to be all that expensive
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@All,
I'm not interested in an x86 OS. I don't wan't another power hog, I have one already. So please, no more x86. Power Miser computing is what I'm looking for, If I need some thing else I have a monster waiting.
Chris
The Amiga never had anything to do with limited power consumption. Besides, PPC doesn't mean lower power anyway. x86 and PPC architecture has nothing to do with power consumption. You can find power hogs and power sippers in both camps.
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http://www.anubis-os.org needs Linux/AOS Developers. Biggest issue since MrBIOS took over as Project Leader is getting Developers to agree on a starting point where the future development can evolve to the project's original goal and not throw out POSIX, but keep it hidden from end users. With limited number of Devs, it's a really tricky middle of the ground to find and have everyone agree to so that development can begin. Yes, it'll be x86/x86_64/ARM based. I expect to see bounties listed on Power2People in the next six months for Anubis-OS.
If this comes to fruition, it will blow AOS 4, MOS and AROS completely out of the water and pave the way for a modern amiga like OS that could actually be adopted by outsiders.
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They could do a machine running on ARM chips. They don't appear to be all that expensive
Pfft!
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Hyperion need to stop farting around with PPC, it was great back in the day but who cares now?
I know this is quite a stretch, but I think the military does:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-US-Air-Force-Purchased-2-200-PlayStation-3-Consoles-127848.shtml
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What the heck? ARM?
PPC man!
We still have PPC and it's not outdated at all. It could be a bit more expensive than ARM, but we already have a line on it and we don't need to shift to another non-compatible processor family, specially since ARM cannot emulate PPC.
If you want an ARM you should consider on buying an Efika MX... Big mistake genesi made there.
PPC is still alive and really alive, and it can match x86 computing power, look to the PS3 powerful and cheap, so we don't need to shift to ARM or whatever. We can survive with these "outdated macs" that apple doesn't support anymore and that are really powerful for our daily use. Or even we can have some new project PPC based. Piru and team made it with MorphOS, and i'm sure they will keep on supporting that "outdated macs"...
I can't wait to have MorphOS installed on a G5 quad core. Or on a new-brand PPC based amiga board.
That's the way ahead.
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Hi guys,
Seriously, all debate aside, it's about 15 years too late now for "Amiga" (not particularly AI) to make any real dent, or even difference in the computer world outside of the hobbyist market.
At this point, 2010, the market is flooded with other, real, mature platforms from the PC, to the Mac, to even Linux and PS3 boxes. Put simply, even if someone had 100 billion dollars to put into development of a "new Amiga", there's simply no market for it to sell to.
Game machines? Covered.
Video Editing boxes? Covered.
Audio Editing boxes? Covered.
Desktops? Covered.
Laptops? Covered.
Netbooks / tablets? Covered.
Set top boxes? Covered.
Mobile services? Covered.
Cell phones? You got it... Covered...
I know you guys don't want to hear this. I don't blame you, but the simple fact remains. Even if someone were to come up with the one perfect idea for a "new Amiga", it might sell 500 boxes to hobbyists.
Most of this crowd would simply sit around arguing how the "new Amiga" isn't in fact an Amiga at all and how a "real Amiga" is xyz123, etc..
I hope I'm wrong. I hope someone here, rather than bitching about things will point out a commercially viable market that I've missed. Maybe if someone can do that, the developers will take notice, but my bet's on me at this point.
I mean, it's great to have a hobby you enjoy, and if using the Amiga is yours then that's very cool too. Just stop sitting here expecting some Godlike benefactor (even Amiga Inc or Genesi) to pop up and "save" it.
10 years ago, Amiga Inc bought (or perhaps licensed) a name. Just a name. It's clear that they had absolutely no vision or ideas as to what to do with their shiny new toy, but it's equally obvious that having just enough money to buy a name wasn't nearly enough to do anything with it.
In the end, we have our so-called "classic" boxes and the few willing to invest the thousands of dollars into it have either AmigaOne or Genesi boxes, but that's it.. No more, no less, and a "new" antiquated PPC box isn't going to be a game changer for anyone.
If you think I'm wrong, ask yourself honestly... "If I won 50 million dollars in the lottery today, would I invest it in the Amiga [as a brand]?"
Wayne
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Hi guys,
Seriously, all debate aside, it's about 15 years too late now for "Amiga" (not particularly AI) to make any real dent, or even difference in the computer world outside of the hobbyist market.
At this point, 2010, the market is flooded with other, real, mature platforms from the PC, to the Mac, to even Linux and PS3 boxes. Put simply, even if someone had 100 billion dollars to put into development of a "new Amiga", there's simply no market for it to sell to.
Game machines? Covered.
Video Editing boxes? Covered.
Audio Editing boxes? Covered.
Desktops? Covered.
Laptops? Covered.
Netbooks / tablets? Covered.
Set top boxes? Covered.
Mobile services? Covered.
Cell phones? You got it... Covered...
I know you guys don't want to hear this. I don't blame you, but the simple fact remains. Even if someone were to come up with the one perfect idea for a "new Amiga", it might sell 500 boxes to hobbyists.
Most of this crowd would simply sit around arguing how the "new Amiga" isn't in fact an Amiga at all and how a "real Amiga" is xyz123, etc..
I hope I'm wrong. I hope someone here, rather than bitching about things will point out a commercially viable market that I've missed. Maybe if someone can do that, the developers will take notice, but my bet's on me at this point.
I mean, it's great to have a hobby you enjoy, and if using the Amiga is yours then that's very cool too. Just stop sitting here expecting some Godlike benefactor (even Amiga Inc or Genesi) to pop up and "save" it.
10 years ago, Amiga Inc bought (or perhaps licensed) a name. Just a name. It's clear that they had absolutely no vision or ideas as to what to do with their shiny new toy, but it's equally obvious that having just enough money to buy a name wasn't nearly enough to do anything with it.
In the end, we have our so-called "classic" boxes and the few willing to invest the thousands of dollars into it have either AmigaOne or Genesi boxes, but that's it.. No more, no less, and a "new" antiquated PPC box isn't going to be a game changer for anyone.
If you think I'm wrong, ask yourself honestly... "If I won 50 million dollars in the lottery today, would I invest it in the Amiga [as a brand]?"
Wayne
The situation is compounded by the fact that we can only run the OS on rare PPC hardware. Instead of one of the billions of x86 systems out there.
What a blunder!!
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The situation is compounded by the fact that we can only run the OS on rare PPC hardware. Instead of one of the billions of x86 systems out there.
One of the OSes is.
There are alternatives with easily available and affordable HW if you widen your horizon a bit.
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it can match x86 computing power, look to the PS3 powerful and cheap
Please - can't we once and for all kill the misconception that a PS3 can match x86 in "computing power"? It cannot, not by a longshot. Yes, you can program the SPEs in a PS3 to do insanely limited tasks insanely fast, if programmed correctly. But 99.99% of the time you're not interested in doing such limited tasks, and that 3.2GHz PowerPC is the world's slowest CPU with that clockspeed - ever! Running Linux, my old 1,33GHz G4 iBook runs in circles around the PS3 on ordinary daily tasks. The PS3 was interesting for HPC usage exactly because they often have the need to do the insanely limited computations, but ordinary people do not!
Sheesh!!!
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PPC is still alive and really alive, and it can match x86 computing power, look to the PS3 powerful and cheap, so we don't need to shift to ARM or whatever.
The PS3 is hardly powerful, for general computing it's a joke and not even a good joke. Example of Blender render times:
http://eofw.org/bench/
You'll find a couple PS3 "systems" listed in the very bottom, the fastest:
3431 00:06:31.39 1x Sony PlayStation 3 IBM Cell 3000MHz 1 Cell Broadband 512MB Linux Ubuntu 2.44 test.blend Using Ubuntu on my Playstation 3. 2007-07-25 23:09:50
Compare to generic run-of-the-mill PC available at about the same price as PS3:
277 00:00:28.60 1x Intel® Core™2Quad Q6600 2400MHz 3381MHz 4 p35 4096MB WinXP Pro 2.45 test.blend 24/7 setup 2007-11-01 17:16:45
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What the heck? ARM?
PPC man!
We still have PPC and it's not outdated at all. It could be a bit more expensive than ARM, but we already have a line on it and we don't need to shift to another non-compatible processor family, specially since ARM cannot emulate PPC.
If you want an ARM you should consider on buying an Efika MX... Big mistake genesi made there.
PPC is still alive and really alive, and it can match x86 computing power, look to the PS3 powerful and cheap, so we don't need to shift to ARM or whatever. We can survive with these "outdated macs" that apple doesn't support anymore and that are really powerful for our daily use. Or even we can have some new project PPC based. Piru and team made it with MorphOS, and i'm sure they will keep on supporting that "outdated macs"...
I can't wait to have MorphOS installed on a G5 quad core. Or on a new-brand PPC based amiga board.
That's the way ahead.
Why is the efika mx a bad idea, beacuse of the cpu? I belive thats the same chip thats in the new Nokia N900 , which is pretty amazing, my friend has one and its a nifft chip with seperate video/audio and call related cores.
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Maybe he's referring to a Military Spec PS3?
Please - can't we once and for all kill the misconception that a PS3 can match x86 in "computing power"? It cannot, not by a longshot. Yes, you can program the SPEs in a PS3 to do insanely limited tasks insanely fast, if programmed correctly. But 99.99% of the time you're not interested in doing such limited tasks, and that 3.2GHz PowerPC is the world's slowest CPU with that clockspeed - ever! Running Linux, my old 1,33GHz G4 iBook runs in circles around the PS3 on ordinary daily tasks. The PS3 was interesting for HPC usage exactly because they often have the need to do the insanely limited computations, but ordinary people do not!
Sheesh!!!
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PPC isn't dead of course, IBM's latest Power7 development looks like a pretty potent processor. If it can deliver hardware clustering it'll be quite the thing for your home super computer.
But what will the chip cost and how much to put it into a motherboard and how much can OS 4 really use the multi-core features/clustering? And what advantage would this give a home user?
Really the problem is that the market has matured since 1985. In '85 there was little software, computers in homes were unusual, mobile phones were 1G brick that had sparse coverage. People used film cameras, records were the way to sell music, CDs were expensive and somewhat rare. People still had music on tape! Computers came with floppy drives and floppy drives actually had some use. TV was analogue. Domain names were brand new, people often used bang paths. It was a different time.
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Sorry but "bang paths" sounds disgussting. Same as discharge just sounds wrong.
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The Amiga never had anything to do with limited power consumption. Besides, PPC doesn't mean lower power anyway. x86 and PPC architecture has nothing to do with power consumption. You can find power hogs and power sippers in both camps.
Hi,
The new machine's CPU runs at 20 watts, I'll bet this space heater, I mean PentiumD machine will draw 200 watts easy.
Back in the day there was no such thing as big differences in power consumption, a CPU was pretty much a CPU. Things have changed. Sure there are uses for such power but not every day.
Chris.
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You wonder about someone calling a PentiumD modern, but that aside an Atom N270 draws 2.5 Watts on the flip side my Dual Quad Core (8 cores total) Mac Pro will probably draw 50 watts idle and 250 when it's pushed, but which machine would you prefer to do 3D animation on?
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You wonder about someone calling a PentiumD modern, but that aside an Atom N270 draws 2.5 Watts on the flip side my Dual Quad Core (8 cores total) Mac Pro will probably draw 50 watts idle and 250 when it's pushed, but which machine would you prefer to do 3D animation on?
That's the problem I see with a lot of the guys around here. We're all so used to "making due" with 60 Mhz 030's and such that most have no idea what "modern" really is, and is really capable of.
The fact that my iPhone has 2x the speed and easily 1/10th the power draw of the FASTEST PPC-driven classic Amiga *should* say something about the lack of perspective being shown by PPC faithful when it comes to their defense of the dead.
Wayne
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While I agree PowerPC was great until it slipped and slid in performance to the x86 especially the new multicore 64bit processors, I don't think this issue is Hyperion putzing around.
Altering the Mac OS to run on Intel took a LOT of work, time, manhours, effort and that was with an existing userbase and a functioning parent company along with income from other businesses (iPod and music sales, mainly the latter which is like selling air and getting a cut for it since you dont have to 'produce' anything but a reusable server infrastructure to make the transaction happen).
Hyperion has a real issue to look at where AmigaOS is already mostly written for PowerPC so try to improve it there, or try to do a total rewrite and abandon every piece of existing software, in effect releasing a new OS on an existing platform which already has three mainstream OSes kicking each other in the privates over marketshare.
Really a matter of what can they do with their resources realistically and produce product.
That all said, I'm not jumping up in my seat over the announcement of this 'new' AmigaOne. When I want my Amiga fix I have Amiga Forever, my 4000, 1200, CD32, 3000, 600, CDTV, 2000, 500, 1000, to play with and right now best way to get a fast Amiga in real hardware is the MacMini I bought to run MorphOS. I really think Hyperion needs to get Amiga 4.x running on this instead of trying to get folks to buy new more expensive hardware.
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Altering the Mac OS to run on Intel took a LOT of work, time, manhours, effort and that was with an existing userbase and a functioning parent company along with income from other businesses (iPod and music sales, mainly the latter which is like selling air and getting a cut for it since you dont have to 'produce' anything but a reusable server infrastructure to make the transaction happen).
Actually, Apple claims it didn't take a lot of work, because OS X was developed to run on Intel from Day 1 in parallel with the PPC version. It just wasn't publicized that they had an Intel version until Steve decided to ditch PPC.
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Actually, Apple claims it didn't take a lot of work, because OS X was developed to run on Intel from Day 1 in parallel with the PPC version. It just wasn't publicized that they had an Intel version until Steve decided to ditch PPC.
That's not really a correct statement then. It clearly took just as "much" work as it did to create the PPC version, plus the additional work of integrating Rosetta.
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Actually it took zero effort. NeXTSTEP went 68k > x86 and never left at any point.
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Actually it took zero effort. NeXTSTEP went 68k > x86 and never left at any point.
There's more to OSX than NeXTStep. They might have inherited that Objective C nightmare (yep, let's create a language by combining the conflicting syntaxes of two totally different ones together. Still, has some nice features, however fugly it is) from there, but the important stuff is from BSD.
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I love bang paths!!!
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Why is the efika mx a bad idea, beacuse of the cpu? I belive thats the same chip thats in the new Nokia N900 , which is pretty amazing, my friend has one and its a nifft chip with seperate video/audio and call related cores.
N900 video is a separate chip aswell as call related stuff (the modem). Efika mx doesn't have those.
Posted with N900 btw.
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I like how AROS pretty much goes unnoticed by the x86 league, and pretty much every mention of it in threads like this goes unnoticed.
These people are not looking for Amiga OS - they are looking for something that is called Amiga OS.
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N900 video is a separate chip aswell as call related stuff (the modem). Efika mx doesn't have those.
Posted with N900 btw.
What do you think of it. My friend has one but he is not the best person on sounding out a phone. I know its basically a linux handheld computer that they have for the first time for this series added call functions to.
Reviews I have read have said its great if you want to get your hands dirty ( that me all over), but the phone side of things not great.
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I like how AROS pretty much goes unnoticed by the x86 league, and pretty much every mention of it in threads like this goes unnoticed. These people are not looking for Amiga OS - they are looking for something that is called Amiga OS.
Which long ago stated for "Amiga Research Operating System"...
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Actually, I think even Hyperion would love to port OS4.x to X86 but they face two huge obstacles........time and money.
And byteorder.
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Only if they made a very poor coding choice early on. We don't know that they did.
And byteorder.
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Well, all the software available for AmigaOS today, from 1.x to 4.x assumes bigendian, change that and there will be major breakage. Which is fine by me, the opportunity can be used to fix all the other issues as well, memory protection and all that. And instead of integrated emulation to run old apps you would need a much more boxed solution.
An alternative is to go ARM which can be run in both bigendian and little-endian modes.
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dont want to interrupt ,
im new but cant we just be happy wwith the new amiga x1000 news .
it been a long time and i think we deserve a present for our constant support . she is well worth it.
btw happy birthday 25th annie :D
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dont want to interrupt
Thread hasn't been touched in 10 months, pretty safe to say you're not interrupting.
im new but cant we just be happy wwith the new amiga x1000 news .
it been a long time and i think we deserve a present for our constant support . she is well worth it.
As a present? Sure, who'd say no to that. For >$2000, no thanks.
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Too much cash, forced to buy it as a complete system with gawdy case and keybd/mouse, and to be painfully blunt - it still won't do anything more than my SAM does for me in regards to being a "daily driver" computer. I'm still running old legacy SW in an emulator under OS4, the web browsers available aren't up to snuff, and throwing faster chips, more ram, more slots onto new boards won't change the situation at all.
Note: I love my SAM 440 rig. Love it. It's not going to replace my mac or pc anytime soon even with 1000 more ghz and 16 GB of RAM on the SAM (or x1000). I'm starting to hop on the Apple-esque notion of getting the OS onto more common (and cheaper) hardware and going the sandbox mode for entirely seamless legacy support. I've tried AROS, not my cup of tea and it won't run on my more modern SLI PC's, but it was pretty fair to use on a beat up older box I tried it on. Aros and Morph certainly have a rabid following, and the hardware is more sanely priced.
I wish them well on the X1000, but I'll eat my hat if boatloads of people pay what they are asking for it. Quite frankly I was surprised at how many people bought into the SAM boards at the much saner price they are retailing for. The X1000 is still OS 4, which as nice as it is to those of us that grew up on the Amiga, is still years behind of what people are used to for that kind of money.
Top end iMac or a X1000? Maybe a "killer app" will come along for OS 4 and prove me wrong and take advantage of the power the X1000 is boasting, who knows.