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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: guest7187 on January 12, 2010, 06:07:24 PM
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What the Amiga community needs is for the Amiga OS to go open source like Linux. I believe that there are enough people who like the OS enough that they would start to redevelop and fix it to use on modern hardware. Just MHO.
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I can't see that happening any time soon. It'll go down with Hypey Ron.
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I belive that this is what your looking for........
http://aros.sourceforge.net/
What the Amiga community needs is for the Amiga OS to go open source like Linux. I believe that there are enough people who like the OS enough that they would start to redevelop and fix it to use on modern hardware. Just MHO.
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don't think all that time and money spent on court cases with A.Inc were for Hyperion to go open source with the official AmigaOS ????
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@msuguy71
I thought, talked and ranted about that some time ago, but it won't happen with the current owners. Back in the day, the conclusion was that it would only happen if the community would out and out buy it off the owner and then turn it loose themselves.
Of course I needn't tell you that did not happen.
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Those in the community who need it are already working on AROS.
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Yeah,and we NEED Mac OS X and Windows 7 to go open source!!!!!
Uhhh,dude!
If open source is what you want then use linux!
I use all of them on various computers.
I suppose next you'll want free food,cars, and houses?
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Yeah,and we NEED Mac OS X and Windows 7 to go open source!!!!!
Uhhh,dude!
If open source is what you want then use linux!
I use all of them on various computers.
I suppose next you'll want free food,cars, and houses?
The weirdest thing about these kind a "visionary" requests is that an open source Amiga already exists; AROS. But that is not officially branded "Amiga" and therefore doesn't count?
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recedivist said: "I suppose next you'll want free food,cars, and houses?"
I didn't hear anyone say they wanted something for free. The guy said it would be nice if people could start to redevelop and fix AmigaOS.
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Yeah,and we NEED Mac OS X and Windows 7 to go open source!!!!!
Uhhh,dude!
If open source is what you want then use linux!
I use all of them on various computers.
I suppose next you'll want free food,cars, and houses?
Hmmm...this is prolly the first time doing this but..you are a jerk.
I do not think that Windows and Mac should be open source, nor did I imply it, and I use Windows 7 extensively. I have used linux and do not really care for it. Fact is, the Amiga OS is dead as a commercially viable system. Some people just can not see this. Rather than let this OS die because a couple of short sighted people could not create a workable business solution, it would be nice to see if given to people that really want it to be developed.
Also, I am not the one wanting stuff for free, if I did I would have to stand behind all of corporate America who have their hands out for my hard earned tax dollars and I don't have that much free time.
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The weirdest thing about these kind a "visionary" requests is that an open source Amiga already exists; AROS. But that is not officially branded "Amiga" and therefore doesn't count?
I didn't know anything about AROS. I will take a look at it.
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it would be nice to see if given to people that really want it to be developed.
People who want to (and are) developing it do own it. (OS 4+, anyway.) OS 3.9 and back are as they will be.
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AROS, as others have said, it the open source Amiga alternative. It runs on cheap equipment, runs stable classic software, and is in active development. Check out ICAros, it has most everything you want/need already packaged with it.
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@msuguy71
are you on drugs?
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@msuguy71
are you on drugs?
hmmm, not that I am aware. Why? Because I merely stated an opinion?
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In a word, AROS.
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The weirdest thing about these kind a "visionary" requests is that an open source Amiga already exists; AROS. But that is not officially branded "Amiga" and therefore doesn't count?
No, that is not the weirdest thing. The weirdest thing is all those devs that still waste time on OS4 and MorphOS instead of AROS. :)
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AROS looks interesting. Too bad I don't know how to code or I would help out. Well, if you need anything coded in BASIC I might be able to help ya. :roflmao:
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If you talk about wasting time on a certain OS then if you look at it rationally only Linux is the good choice. No matter which of the three you choose, they are always going to lag behind the most current developments in hardware.
Even if you would combine all programmers on the three platforms you would seriously lack a lot of development time to play catch up with Windows or Linux.
So, it's anyones choice on what system he or she wants to spend time.
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@msuguy71
are you on drugs?
I'm quite confident you are :)
Yes, OS3.x these days would be better off put in public domain, sources and all. It would be a benefit for everyone in all parts of the community, even Cloanto. I doubt there's any point in putting an opensource license on it, as there's noone around who would bother to comply or enforce it anyways. Commercially it is totally irrelevant, but for hackers of old m68k systems and for educational purposes within the community it can have interest. Stocked away with its current dubious legal state it serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.
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Even if you would combine all programmers on the three platforms you would seriously lack a lot of development time to play catch up with Windows or Linux.
That's a lost game anyways, the basic features are hopelessly outdated and not suitable for the modern world. The only option is to create new OS inspired by "the amiga experience" and throwing all compatibility over board. It was something like this many of us wished for back when Gateway and Collas was running the show. Or wished MorphOS would do.
So, it's anyones choice on what system he or she wants to spend time.
Ofcourse. :)
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I have been out of touch with Aros for a while. The HD kicked the bucket. But today I installed the latest version of icaros and its good to see all the progress being made.
Many thanks to the Aros team for the latest edition.
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Yeah,and we NEED Mac OS X and Windows 7 to go open source!!!!!
Uhhh,dude!
If open source is what you want then use linux!
I use all of them on various computers.
I suppose next you'll want free food,cars, and houses?
I suppose you don't have a clue what open source means. Food, cars and houses ARE and have always been open source. It is the know-how of how to make those things.
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Yeah,and we NEED Mac OS X and Windows 7 to go open source!!!!!
http://www.opensource.apple.com/
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/eslp.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/si.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/windowsacademic/researchkernelkit.mspx
and others at http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/default.mspx
EDIT: And I'm fairly certain that anyone with an appropriate agreement with Hyperion has access to AmigaOS source code. None of these programs except for Apple's are open source in the now traditional sense of the phrase, but there are options available for anyone serious about working with the operating system source code.
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I suppose you don't have a clue what open source means. Food, cars and houses ARE and have always been open source. It is the know-how of how to make those things.
Exactly. Give me and some guys a Ford and some tools, and we'll give you as many cars as you want. Give me and some guys a CD with AmigaOS on it and i'll... Probably make a pirate copy. That analogy doesn't work, damn. I'll think one up in a bit.
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Everything used to be open source. Patents, copyrights, et al granted limited exclusivity for a fixed period of time. Things changed when ideas became the property of organizations with lifetimes spanning centuries.
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Everything used to be open source. Patents, copyrights, et al granted limited exclusivity for a fixed period of time. Things changed when ideas became the property of organizations with lifetimes spanning centuries.
Yet people still buy copies of public domain works... Stupid isn't it. In school everyone had to get a Copy of romeo and Juliet for English. Most either had copies at home already or just bought them. Me? printed it off the internet. Teacher actually accused me of doing something illegal.:roflmao:
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Yet people still buy copies of public domain works... Stupid isn't it. In school everyone had to get a Copy of romeo and Juliet for English. Most either had copies at home already or just bought them. Me? printed it off the internet. Teacher actually accused me of doing something illegal.:roflmao:
Seriously? You'd think an English literature teacher would have some understanding of copyright.
Still, doesn't hurt to have a professionally produced copy of the Fleischer Superman cartoons. ;-)
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Jeez guys, what's wrong with drugs? What happen to that guy, I think his nick was something like "420 Dude" or something. I think he was on here and Amigaworld.net several years back. He was around for quite awhile and he'd always bring Marijuana into every topic. He was a real nice guy and pretty funny.
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jeez guys, what's wrong with drugs?
+1 :)
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About AROS. Is there any 68k version available ? Personally (don't shoot me) I have no interest in running Amiga on x86.
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There's Bernd's AfA OS backports of AROS code to Amiga OS, but that's it.
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Jeez guys, what's wrong with drugs? What happen to that guy, I think his nick was something like "420 Dude" or something. I think he was on here and Amigaworld.net several years back. He was around for quite awhile and he'd always bring Marijuana into every topic. He was a real nice guy and pretty funny.
Hey, yeah. He was kind of a funny guy. Hope he's not in jail for possession :)
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Cool thanks.
There's Bernd's AfA OS backports of AROS code to Amiga OS, but that's it.
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Hey, yeah. He was kind of a funny guy. Hope he's not in jail for possession :)
Sad story as I heard it. His Amiga broke, couldn't get it fixed, and got rid of it. The real problem was that ... "dude, you put your weed in there!"
He's been looking for it ever since.
"You can put your weed in there"
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/4800567_bbYEe/1/280575587_EwUaQ/Medium
(Get it before NBC has it pulled)
Plaz
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Look , the idea of a car or a computer or an operating system IS "open source" ;BUT you aren't LEGALLY allowed to make an exact copy of anything still protected by patents or copyrights and sell or give away copies without the patent or copyright holders' permission.You may make a car,but not a close copy of a Ford,nor can you call your car a Ford.
Now is that concept too limiting for you?
Then have the laws changed or ignore them as you like,and see what happens.
By the way,several "totally harmless" T-shirt vendors are likely to face FELONY counterfeiting charges for selling NFL team logo wear at a big flea market near here.And previously several vendors of pirated movies have been shut down ..
But football is "open source";you CAN play football all you want,but you just can't declare your team official NFL without the league's agreement.
Now maybe you can explain just why Hyperion would give away that which they have fought for years in court to obtain? Or are you going to say the court decision isn't legitimate?
I think you are free to write your own OS ,beginning from scratch,which will run on Amiga hardware .After all,some versions of linux run on Apple hardware ;but again,the don't try to call it Mac OS because Apple has the legal rights.
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Look , the idea of a car or a computer or an operating system IS "open source" ;BUT you aren't LEGALLY allowed to make an exact copy of anything still protected by patents or copyrights and sell or give away copies without the patent or copyright holders' permission.You may make a car,but not a close copy of a Ford,nor can you call your car a Ford.
Now is that concept too limiting for you?
Then have the laws changed or ignore them as you like,and see what happens.
By the way,several "totally harmless" T-shirt vendors are likely to face FELONY counterfeiting charges for selling NFL team logo wear at a big flea market near here.And previously several vendors of pirated movies have been shut down ..
But football is "open source";you CAN play football all you want,but you just can't declare your team official NFL without the league's agreement.
Now maybe you can explain just why Hyperion would give away that which they have fought for years in court to obtain? Or are you going to say the court decision isn't legitimate?
I think you are free to write your own OS ,beginning from scratch,which will run on Amiga hardware .After all,some versions of linux run on Apple hardware ;but again,the don't try to call it Mac OS because Apple has the legal rights.
WTF dude!!, this discussion is about whether (theoretically) Amiga OS should be open sourced NOT about pirating/stealing/counterfeiting it.
Unless you are SCO's lawyer these are not the same thing ;)
By open sourcing the owners of software (i know nothing about open source cars) open up the source to the world in general and to the developer community in particular and allow that code to be modified and distributed (depending on the license the code is released under). A great example is Sun's open sourcing of Solaris, the Solaris community was able to expand and port the OS and Sun benefited from having a much larger pool of developers working on there OS, and were able to back port software and drivers to there commercial release. Unfortunatly this was to little to late for Sun as there market was been continually encroached upon by ever more powerful X86 cpu's and linux.
Personally I believe that the only way to get the Amiga any market share is to open source it (even then it would be a tiny share). But I also believe that this will not happen in the foreseeable happen now Hyper-ron have the rights and can sell X1000's to the few dozen fanboys who will buy it and OS4 at the undoubtedly extortionate prices. As long as Hyper-ron want the Amiga tied to there expnsive hardware then it will never be opened up.
To quote Richard Stallman "Think free as in free speech, not free beer.".
Gaz
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Look , the idea of a car or a computer or an operating system IS "open source" ;BUT you aren't LEGALLY allowed to make an exact copy of anything still protected by patents or copyrights and sell or give away copies without the patent or copyright holders' permission.You may make a car,but not a close copy of a Ford,nor can you call your car a Ford.
Now is that concept too limiting for you?
The analogy should apply, although in practice it doesn't. One can legally produce and sell an exact copy of a Ford oil filter. One cannot, however, legally produce and sell an exact copy of a Hewlett-Packard DeskJet cartridge.
Re: "sell or give away," WTF? Hint: First-sale doctrine. Any legally produced and obtained copy may be transferred by the owner. I don't think anyone's really sought a way to transfer ephemeral copies, e.g. music purchased from iTunes, but it will happen eventually. The legal definition of ephemeral will likely evolve as society's use of technology advances.
Re: patents, software patents are particularly dangerous, as evidenced by modern companies patenting methods (only the method can be patented--the source code is copyrighted) that have been commonplace for a century or more. It's a bit of a land grab.
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Now maybe you can explain just why Hyperion would give away that which they have fought for years in court to obtain? Or are you going to say the court decision isn't legitimate?
I agree.
I dont think open source would benefit us right now.
Also look how many different distros the linux world have. For other than the geeks this is very confusing and keeps many average users from using the platform.
Today we already have split up the amiga in three different directions, AmigaOS4, MorphOS, Aros. 4 if you count classic amiga/uae. If it was open source I think there would be even more splitted over time, with several different versions drifting apart in compatibility.
And the timing for the open source discussion is not the best. Many people have finally got their hopes up for new usable hardware, and the OS is getting developed as we speak.
If there was no hyperion working on the AmigaOS, and no new hardware to look forward to, I would support the open source idea, but not as things are right now.
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@gazgod
Sun open-sourced not only Solaris, but also OpenOffice.org, MySQL and, eventually, Java.
And last year, Sun was bought out by Oracle for a song.
Something tells me that open source isn't the best business model for a company that wants to stay in business.
If open source were going to save the Amiga, AROS would be far better developed than AOS4.1. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm very much in favour of AROS. I just don't think that AmigaOS should follow suit.
By the way, I'm actually quite happy that Sun open-sourced MySQL & Java. I'm writing a database application in Java which will run with MySQL Cluster, and I'm more than happy to get my software for free.
But it didn't help Sun.
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Give me and some guys a CD with AmigaOS on it and i'll... Probably make a pirate copy. That analogy doesn't work, damn. I'll think one up in a bit.
Hell Labs actually proves that Hyperion's strategy are sound. Now a hacker have to buy the hardware and there by supporting further development of the platform, and anyone using this hypothetical cracked software have to, again, buy the hardware and further more support development.
What Hyperion does is probably the only way to protect Amiga.
Aros is Amiga x86, and you can show your appreciation by donating.
I can't believe that some of you guys have missed how cool Aros is. You are in a modern Amiga Os, yet you have access to multiple emulators for the main retro machines like, UAE, c64 emulations and dosbox. OWB takes care of the last parts to make it a usable every day machine with google docs.
It needs more love and devs and if you a coder please help out.
Anyway, one of the best things about Amiga land is the multitude of projects and there is no obligation to vomit over projects that don't catches your eye for the moment. You just pick what your interested in. I'm glad they're all there.
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About AROS. Is there any 68k version available ? Personally (don't shoot me) I have no interest in running Amiga on x86.
AROS68K is currently unmaintained and as been for years. There is a bounty (think it's ACPI bounty) that requires AROS68K to be brought into maintained status once again.
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@msuguy71
are you on drugs?
In shock news A1260 pops up his un-wanted head to make an inflamtory comment.
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AROS68K is currently unmaintained and as been for years. There is a bounty (think it's ACPI bounty) that requires AROS68K to be brought into maintained status once again.
I guess you mean this one "Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I)"
Objective 1.
Bring The m68k compile of AROS back out of unmaintained.
http://www.power2people.org/bounty_005.html and it's recently been re-assigned
to Gaz (blog is here: http://noisemonkey.wordpress.com/)
so people start donating and support the effort.
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I gathered from that ART interview with Rogue, that Hyperion wasn't planning on doing much if anything in the way of of updating 3.x. They're looking at 4 and the future... I don't see that making a goodwill gesture to the Amiga community would hurt their plans. That's assuming the court settlement would even allow them to open source 3.x.
BTW, last time I tried to DL AROS on the local library's LAN, I was getting speeds about like dialup. ;-) No way, I'm going to download a DVD ISO that way. ;-)
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I think too AOS should go opensource.If there are no companies that can furtherdevelop it in fulltime in acceptable time and do bugfixes in acceptable time, then when there are many peoples that can do it enhance opensource make things faster.
WHen AOS is opensource this save me lots lots work for AFA OS.And i think AFA is enhanced lots lots more in the time.
Because it was hard to make AROS so much compatible that all 68k soft work, i use only when important necessary for new features AROS Code and i use if possible old 68k Code
and when AOS is opensource then nobody can say that AFA is a patch collection, because with AOS source instead of AROS source AFA is a AOS furtherdeveloping
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That's a lost game anyways, the basic features are hopelessly outdated and not suitable for the modern world. The only option is to create new OS inspired by "the amiga experience" and throwing all compatibility over board. It was something like this many of us wished for back when Gateway and Collas was running the show. Or wished MorphOS would do.
Ofcourse. :)
That's not going to work as an opensource project. That is going to take way too much time for which you won't find enough spare time programmers.
Linux got only this far because it is sponsored on a yearly basis by millions of Dollars. Either because people are employed at companies to work on Linux related stuff or via other constructions.
Complete operating systems and programs running on it can not be created by merely open sourcing it. You still need a shit load of cash to have full time programmers working on it. That only works for Linux and nothing else.
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BTW, last time I tried to DL AROS on the local library's LAN, I was getting speeds about like dialup. ;-) No way, I'm going to download a DVD ISO that way. ;-)
There's a light version that's just a CD-ROM. See the center square in the Icaros (http://www.icarosdesktop.com/dl.htm) download page and make sure you've got 7zip on your PC to unpack it with.
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@msuguy71
are you on drugs?
No trolling!
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BTW, last time I tried to DL AROS on the local library's LAN, I was getting speeds about like dialup. ;-) No way, I'm going to download a DVD ISO that way. ;-)
Try these torrents.
http://www.stafverhaegen.be/aros/
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@gazgod
If open source were going to save the Amiga, AROS would be far better developed than AOS4.1. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm very much in favour of AROS. I just don't think that AmigaOS should follow suit.
AROS would have been far better developed if many people just opened their eyes in 1995-2005. Most amigans, however, preferred to whine about how unluck their platform was, to wait for any deus-ex-machina god-like savior for the Amiga, to dream about "the comeback", and just ignored or even laughed behind the AROS project which was, consequently and obviously, unable to perform so many tasks: you can't write a whole OS in a month.
In the meanwhile, the whole Amiga platform suffered the progressing loss of brains and harms, which would have been really useful instead. How many good developers have we lost, for the new AmigaOS/AmigaOnes being so late? How many good developers would have we kept or attracted, if only most people helped, endorsed or at least respected the one and only community-driven effort to keep the Amiga philosophy alive and kickin'?
Today we would have a strong AROS and even stronger AmigaOS and MorphOS, since there's no motivation why the last two should have not used our code and/or solutions. People now respect AROS because Icaros has proven what it can do, because it has come to a good degree of reliability, and because it includes some of the most advanced technologies on any Amiga flavour, like Poseidon and Gallium3D: but just try to imagine what it could be, if only people did that all the time!
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I saw at least ONE auction on eBay for a AROS disk;as far as I know there is nothing wrong with someone downloading AROS ISO ,burning to DVD ,and offering it at nominal cost to all.That probably is something official AROS site should offer.And sales of a $9.99 AROS DVD ISO could generate some funds to buy developers pizza and pop.Or to take wife out to dinner as reward for not fussing about too much time spent programming!?
The MorphOS team sat down and wrote alternate OS for Amiga platform,didn't they?I'm not sure of status of MorphOS 1.4 ,is it free,and does it run on 68k?
Neither have I seen any action taken against all the people who have written freeware/shareware enhancements to the AmigaOS.Yet many,if not most,Amiga owners never used those add-ons due to confusion of installation by the AVERAGE home user.Average home computer user just wanted to USE Amiga or whatever brand,so wants OS in one easy to install(or pre-installed) package.
I think Linux is slowly catching on better now that one can get LiveCD/DVD automated installer for Ubuntu and other distros and having automated updaters and package managers is definitely good."Geeks" may love moving OS files around but average users do not.So is Amiga to be ONLY for 'geeks"?
The Apple business model of OS teid closely to hardware has worked well for them and their users and Apple has surely been innovative.
Hyperion is smart to follow model of successful company .
RE:patent and copyright lwas,I wish they had been left as pre-1976,so after 14 years maybe 28 with renewals the monopoly would expire.14 years ought to be long enough,but that is not the law today.
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Seriously, if anyone in London wants me to burn them an AROS DVD or CD I'll do it for the price of one beer in their local pub :)
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Well neither Hyperion or Amiga Inc would say that OS3.1s legal status is uncertain. They've settled it.
OS3.5 and 3.9 is another story however.
But one could tell Amiga Inc that we'd like a bakery and not only cake.
But I think that would seriously cross Hyperion.
So I repeat myself once again: Support AROS for your x86 Amiga which is OpenSource.
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Seriously, if anyone in London wants me to burn them an AROS DVD or CD I'll do it for the price of one beer in their local pub :)
Egad! Even you have passed me in posts? :eek:
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Egad! Even you have passed me in posts? :eek:
Slacker! ;-)
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I suppose next you'll want free food,cars, and houses?
Actually yes. Well not necessarily cars, but we can certainly open source food, clothing, energy and housing. I personally find it ridiculous that this day in age we have to work/pay for basic survival. WANTS, yes... NEEDS, no.
Sorry, a little OT, but I had to throw it out there.
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Egad! Even you have passed me in posts? :eek:
Perhaps, but you still have the medal. I've been trying for months to steal it from you but you are many XP ahead of me :)
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Egad! Even you have passed me in posts? :eek:
Imagine how many posts KennyR would have if he was still here?
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Imagine how many posts KennyR would have if he was still here?
I dare say we'd be looking at an ALTER TABLE to change a few id's to BIGINT as a precaution ;)
Seriously, it was years after his last post that anybody got past him. Despite not having posted for around five years, his average is still 2.83 per day :lol:
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It makes your head spin around wondering what happened to the good old Amiga community but I have read comments from die-hard OS4.1 fanatics that AROS is a threat to the "real Amiga" (AmigaOS4.x). They mean AROS just splits up the community, the community should be running AmigaOS4.x because that is the true AmigaOS of the Amiga world, ie, AmigaOS4.x is the real Amiga. Such OS as AROS and MorphOS do more damage to the Amiga world than good according to some opinions I have witnessed on Amiga message boards.
I wonder, so what if there is MorphOS that can run Amiga applications, why is that bad?
Why is AROS bad? if it all goes to hell, at least they will have AROS to use. If the community backing up 4.1 was backing up AROS we would all be happy running our AmigaOSx86 on quad cores with integrated Paralells like wine apps running Crysis on our desktops.
And even if we would not do that, we would know that we have the hardware and it is only a software issue.
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Neither AROS, Morphos nor Hyperion have the legal right to call their computers "Amiga."
OS4.1 is, in the end a dead end path, over priced, under powered computers with gimicky features. AROS, for all it's faults, is the way forward....
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What the Amiga community needs is for the Amiga OS to go open source like Linux. I believe that there are enough people who like the OS enough that they would start to redevelop and fix it to use on modern hardware. Just MHO.
Yep. We all quit using MOS and OS4 and switched to AROS instead, didn't we...
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That's not going to work as an opensource project. That is going to take way too much time for which you won't find enough spare time programmers.
Linux got only this far because it is sponsored on a yearly basis by millions of Dollars. Either because people are employed at companies to work on Linux related stuff or via other constructions.
Complete operating systems and programs running on it can not be created by merely open sourcing it. You still need a shit load of cash to have full time programmers working on it. That only works for Linux and nothing else.
First of all, I didnt say anything about Open Source in regards to what Collas and Gateway were doing back in the days, and MorphOS is also not Open Source. I was just saying that IT'S TOO LATE for AmigaOS type OSes, closed source or open source is irrelevant.
Secondly, you're wrong that creating new OS is so unthinkable that only Linux manages. There are lots and lots of opensource OSes around, many of them (most) far more complete and capable than AROS, and an OS being open source does not exclude commercial participation, like how you said for Linux. And Linux is _not_ the only OS around that benefits from both commercial and volunteering developers, the same can be said for the BSDs and Solaris, and even opensource elements in OSX and Windows.
Thirdly, the only thing I care about making opensource - or rather, to be put in public domain with sources and all for anyone to hack - is classic m68k AmigaOS, not because I expect lots of developers to jump on it, but because of personal interest, being able to make small improvements without having to disassemble and guestimate what's going on, and because we could finally get rid of all the hypocrisy and fuzz regarding "piracy" of kickstarts and old OS disks.
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Actually I think it might happen one day, but only > OS 3.1.
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@karlos, redrumloa & bloodline
Get a grip :-D
You can compare sizes in the locker room :lol:
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Neither AROS, Morphos nor Hyperion have the legal right to call their computers "Amiga."
Yea. And vice versa.
I wonder what Amiga Inc. would call their Operating System if they ever did release another one (which they won't).
They can't use AmigaOS, but since they still own the Amiga trademark, I suppose they could call it Amiga X5 or something like that.
Actually, I suppose they could just call it Workbench 5.
Hmmm.....
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Amiga Inc could create a PC clone and call it an Amiga. Then we could run AROS on it.....
Yea. And vice versa.
I wonder what Amiga Inc. would call their Operating System if they ever did release another one (which they won't).
They can't use AmigaOS, but since they still own the Amiga trademark, I suppose they could call it Amiga X5 or something like that.
Actually, I suppose they could just call it Workbench 5.
Hmmm.....
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Amiga Inc could create a PC clone and call it an Amiga. Then we could run AROS on it.....
LOL excellent. :)
That would actually work.
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Yep. We all quit using MOS and OS4 and switched to AROS instead, didn't we...
Well, a compelling argument is that AROS isn't 150 dollars per bloody machine you want to put it on.
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Well, a compelling argument is that AROS isn't 150 dollars per bloody machine you want to put it on.
But if you want it from me, it will cost a beer!
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Actually I think it might happen one day, but only > OS 3.1.
OS 3.5 and 3.9 are mostly "addons" to 3.1 anyways, alot of the binaries in 3.9 are identical to those in 3.1. OS3.5 CD came with OS3.1 on it, and 3.9 CD has both 3.5 and 3.9 on it. And the 3.1 kickstart doesnt contain much magic either.
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OS 3.5 and 3.9 are mostly "addons" to 3.1 anyways, alot of the binaries in 3.9 are identical to those in 3.1. OS3.5 CD came with OS3.1 on it, and 3.9 CD has both 3.5 and 3.9 on it. And the 3.1 kickstart doesnt contain much magic either.
yes and btw in general AFA is simular as OS3.5 or OS3.9.All use Kickrom and use for new functions new code that replace the kickrom Code.diffrence is only that OS3.5 and OS3.9 can modify old AOS code to replace kickrom functions and AFA use because AOS is not opensource AROS code and own written code to do new things
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Well, a compelling argument is that AROS isn't 150 dollars per bloody machine you want to put it on.
Indeed, I suppose that's a big part of why we've all already bailed on the others and switched to AROS isntead...
Serious question though, would AROS run on Sun's VirtualBox virtual machine?
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Well, a compelling argument is that AROS isn't 150 dollars per bloody machine you want to put it on.
Last I checked MorphOS was over 200
USD per machine :(
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WooHoo, my dollar is now worth 93 US cents. America is great bargain right now. I know of people that regularly take shopping trips to LA and easily pay for the flight in the savings.
Is this an anomaly? What's up with America? For the first time in history our average wages are almost half again what America's are. I used to dream about moving to America and earning some big cash, now I couldn't afford the pay cut....
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WooHoo, my dollar is now worth 93 US cents. America is great bargain right now. I know of people that regularly take shopping trips to LA and easily pay for the flight in the savings.
Is this an anomaly? What's up with America? For the first time in history our average wages are almost half again what America's are. I used to dream about moving to America and earning some big cash, now I couldn't afford the pay cut....
It's not nice to rub our pain in our faces. The lack of sanity from our leaders the last 16 years has not helped us in these crisis times.
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Last I checked MorphOS was over 200
USD per machine :(
Yes, but you can run it on cheap hardware that is orders of magnitude faster than the new hardware that is offered for the other comparable OS choice (AROS is not up to par yet and don't try to compare MorphOS to Windows, MacOSX, or Linux).
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WooHoo, my dollar is now worth 93 US cents.
..and dropping!
0.92986
I think I've found a new hobby, sitting at XE.com and hitting refresh. It's like a sports match, or a horse race or something.
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@persia and amiga dave
don't blame our leaders for our current crisis. Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama are not the cause.
The internet bubble, Enron, the real estate bubble and others cost our economy trillions of dollars. no country can absorb that without effect.
this is a democratic capitalistic nation, our leaders are legally allowed to do so much. if it were a communist nation we wouldn't have been so prosperous in the first place, but the leaders would have had more power.
ummm... yay aros one of the coolest bright spots in the current amiga picture. minimig and uae are other.
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MorphOS is overpriced for US but runs on fastest CURRENTLY AVAILABLE computers, AmigaOS 4.x is priced comparably to big OSes but needs updating and runs only on expensive hardware,AROS has modest number of vocal supporters who apparently don't contribute enough funding to project to attract more talented programmers,......it looks to me if you want to run Amiga on PC ,then you just need to BUY Cloanto's Amiga Forever,which is very reasonably priced ,runs fast on PC hardware and even comes with classic games!
For what its worth,I have made small monetary contributions to (($10,I think) to Aros,Amiga Sys even though i don't use them,and have purchased several AF so can run on laptop and desktop legally.And it makes me feel supportive of overall Amiga scene.
I worry some want open or whatever only for free,but someone always has to expend effort and deserves rewards.
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Yes, but you can run it on cheap hardware that is orders of magnitude faster than the new hardware that is offered for the other comparable OS choice (AROS is not up to par yet and don't try to compare MorphOS to Windows, MacOSX, or Linux).
If it came on physical media I would feel much better. The current licensing scheme makes me fearful about future proof functionality.
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Serious question though, would AROS run on Sun's VirtualBox virtual machine?
Yes
http://ve.icarosdesktop.org/
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Yes
http://ve.icarosdesktop.org/
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I might try to find some time to have a look then. I finally got Linux running well in Vbox last night. No more need for dual-booting!
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@persia and amiga dave
don't blame our leaders for our current crisis. Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama are not the cause.
The internet bubble, Enron, the real estate bubble and others cost our economy trillions of dollars. no country can absorb that without effect.
this is a democratic capitalistic nation, our leaders are legally allowed to do so much. if it were a communist nation we wouldn't have been so prosperous in the first place, but the leaders would have had more power.
ummm... yay aros one of the coolest bright spots in the current amiga picture. minimig and uae are other.
Sorry OT but...
It was the government that deregulated the financial markets which allowed the financial crash. Yes deregulation (less government) was a big reason why the banks were allowed to do what they did. And since the crash what have the government done to prevent it happening again? NOOOOTHING. It can and will happen again and unfortunately while politicians campaigns are paid for by big business it ain't gonna change. I would say its indistinguishable from corruption.
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I worry some want open or whatever only for free,but someone always has to expend effort and deserves rewards.
Well, AROS has its bounty system as monetary reward and compensation.
However, I am far more concerned with "free as in freedom". Not "free as in beer".
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Agree!
United States Constitution was meant to set up a REPUBLIC,not a democracy.
Democracy had already been tried and found wanting,communism hadn't worked,benevolent kings died and were succeeded by lazy greedy heirs;only republics with certain basic guarenteed freedoms AND responsibilities seem to promote happiness and freedom for largest percentage of the population.
Re: AROS,again,apparently it isn't rewarding enough to get that OS polished and updated and in the hands or computers of significant number of users.
No doubt vast majority of former Commodore Amiga users think of Amiga only as the computer they had before they grew up.
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Well the bounty system is skewed in favour of those with money. Anyone who can throw a thousand euros on an underpowered embedded board can certain afford to donate more to bounties.
Also sharing goes only one way, AROS puts stuff in the public domain whilst the others don't, so everyone benefits from AROS development but only the elites benefit from OS 4.1 development....
MorphOS is overpriced for US but runs on fastest CURRENTLY AVAILABLE computers, AmigaOS 4.x is priced comparably to big OSes but needs updating and runs only on expensive hardware,AROS has modest number of vocal supporters who apparently don't contribute enough funding to project to attract more talented programmers,......it looks to me if you want to run Amiga on PC ,then you just need to BUY Cloanto's Amiga Forever,which is very reasonably priced ,runs fast on PC hardware and even comes with classic games!
For what its worth,I have made small monetary contributions to (($10,I think) to Aros,Amiga Sys even though i don't use them,and have purchased several AF so can run on laptop and desktop legally.And it makes me feel supportive of overall Amiga scene.
I worry some want open or whatever only for free,but someone always has to expend effort and deserves rewards.
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Re: AROS,again,apparently it isn't rewarding enough to get that OS polished and updated and in the hands or computers of significant number of users.
IMHO AROS is doing just fine with the resources it has. Sure it's taken a long time to get this far but I don't see OS4 or MOS rule the world either, so there's plenty of time. Most important is that people working on it is having fun while they're doing it. It's not that we're up against competition or something. We have our 3 top players in computerworld (Win,Mac,Lin) nothing's gonna change that.
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Also sharing goes only one way, AROS puts stuff in the public domain whilst the others don't, so everyone benefits from AROS development but only the elites benefit from OS 4.1 development....
I've thought that thought too. But I've been afraid to tell it out loud.
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I've downloaded and used aros quite a few times over the years, and I think its really getting to a very useable state. what it needs is more apps and games.
I'm going to be taking some programming in college we'll see what I can do then.
BTW for the offtopic part of this thread a republic is a form of democracy. Pure democracy doesn't work because people don't care enough to vote on everything.
also: deregulation was only part of the problem and actually regulation wouldn't have helped since part of the gov (cough*democrats) was urging banks to lend more money even if the loans were unsafe and the market overvalued.
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AROS looks interesting. Too bad I don't know how to code or I would help out. Well, if you need anything coded in BASIC I might be able to help ya. :roflmao:
And why not!? we have at least two basic interpreters (with the SDL one being so nice with graphics and so): you may loose some time to test it and to see if it's actually working as expected.
People simply can't believe how valuable their work can be, even if they don't know anything about coding. Just look at me: C and old aramaic are the same for me, but I just managed to build the leading AROS distribution. Not too bad for a not-programmer, isn't it? ;-)
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If you talk about wasting time on a certain OS then if you look at it rationally only Linux is the good choice. No matter which of the three you choose, they are always going to lag behind the most current developments in hardware.
"Wasting time" is a meaningless expression, when you "loose" time coding something that someone else will use (or will spend time on, using it): at least, it's no more wasting time than playing a soccer match with friends, or listening to music, or watching a movie. Once time has gone, has gone. The difference is that playing, listening or watching, you haven't done anything useful for anyone else.
On the other hand, I don't use MacOS X anymore: so, isn't all the time spent on MacOS X from others, just "wasted" as well? Are we entitled to say "you're working on something I don't/won't use: you're wasting your time"? I'll probably never use MorphOS: not 'cos I don't like it (I actually like it), but 'cos I won't get any hardware to run it on and I don't see any motivation to spend money to use it... Is any development on MOS a waste of time? I can go on forever.
There are people who don't care about Linux or Windows or just AmigaOS: they prefer to develop on/for AROS... is that so bad? ;-)
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It makes your head spin around wondering what happened to the good old Amiga community but I have read comments from die-hard OS4.1 fanatics that AROS is a threat to the "real Amiga" (AmigaOS4.x). They mean AROS just splits up the community, the community should be running AmigaOS4.x because that is the true AmigaOS of the Amiga world, ie, AmigaOS4.x is the real Amiga. Such OS as AROS and MorphOS do more damage to the Amiga world than good according to some opinions I have witnessed on Amiga message boards.
Yes... yes... Every town has their own. :rolleyes:
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And why not!? we have at least two basic interpreters (with the SDL one being so nice with graphics and so): you may loose some time to test it and to see if it's actually working as expected.
People simply can't believe how valuable their work can be, even if they don't know anything about coding. Just look at me: C and old aramaic are the same for me, but I just managed to build the leading AROS distribution. Not too bad for a not-programmer, isn't it? ;-)
Basic interpreters? which?
But we need compilers...
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>Basic interpreters? which?
>But we need compilers...
if you want a modern rapid develop Basic, you can use amiblitz.
sure its only 68k, but in AROS with the janus UAE you dont see if 68k or not.
maybe its a little slower as native, but X86 are so powerfull and i always see 68k Software in JIT UAE perform better as java or .net Software.
Amiblitz is also able to do what only in C can do, write a realtime Music studio that is fast enough on X86 at 1 ghz even if you use lots effects
http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home
if you think 68k is dead end, 68k as codegenerator is currently used in simular way as LLVM do.
It cost lots work to support all CPU native, LLVM is the way to go.But no AOS have a LLVM layer.only what all AOS system have is a 68k Emu and JIT so Amiblitz use instead of LLVM virtual CPU the good old 68k that all amiga Systems can use.
http://llvm.org/
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"only the elites benefit from OS 4.1 development...."
Of course.
(says an "elite OS4.1 owner").
(sorry, coudn't resist... ;-) )
EDIT:
BTW I think Bernd points to a interesting fact - MorphOS/AOS4.x and AROS in a future form have (or will have) a decent 68k JIT emulation. Most 68k applications (NOT games) run here on my OS4.1 system in a decent and usable speed - and the underlying hardwere is/will be faster every year. So the 68k emulation is indeed a common ground...
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Does aros run octamed soundstudio?
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Protrekkr, hively tracker and milky tracker is there.
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Lol
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Hively tracker, milky tracker and protrekkr is there. That is a nice pick of trackers to play around with.
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I just realized, making amigaOS open source means one of two things for AROS:
Halt of development due to the lack of need for it
OR
Incorporation of the code into the project, making AROS the official open source amigaOS
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I'd *like* to see it go OS to see it get ported directly to X86 (yeah, yeah, AROS, yadda yadda) but that ain't gonna happen. Might as well wish for the moon.