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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Hell Labs on January 11, 2010, 11:11:30 PM
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Hey does anyone know where to download birdie from? Aminet doesn't seem to have it. The 1990 look is great for saving memory, But i've got 2560MB of it.
Throw me a frickin bone here.*
*I'd put a picture of Dr.Evil here but imageshack has a new front page and doesn't actually work now.
EDIT: Found it now. It seems AWeb was having a "little moment". Or it was a spelling error.
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Hey does anyone know where to download birdie from? Aminet doesn't seem to have it. The 1990 look is great for saving memory, But i've got 2560MB of it.
Throw me a frickin bone here.*
*I'd put a picture of Dr.Evil here but imageshack has a new front page and doesn't actually work now.
It is on Aminet it just has a strange name.......which I can't remember.
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is this it?
http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/birdie2000
Seems familar. hehe.
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EDIT: Anyone know how to get rid of the Annoying Birdie splash screen? And why it doesn't apply anything after reboot until I go into the prefs and click save? It keeps saying "No birdie process found!" when just a second ago I was getting annoyed by the splash screen.
I think i'm getting the appeal of the amiga. It's like being handed the slowest, stripped out car imaginable that only just has enough parts to drive, as well as a few hundred boxes of stuff to bolt on with less instructions included than most stuff from IKEA.
EDIT2: And it turns out the correct answer was "read the guide". There we go!
EDIT3: And now it doesn't show the splash screen, nor work properly unless I open the prefs and click save.
Help?
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I use Birdie on my A1200.
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Okay all this User-startup shit is getting on my nerves. It's like they saw how the Classic mac os's "startup programs", "Extensions" and "Control panel" Autodetect each boot and thought : "That's a great idea!, lets do something worse!" Why the Hell should I have to tell the OS in a text file where a program is? Why can it go in WBStartup? Why do I have to point Birdie in the direction if it's own god damned prefs file, (Even though logically it should already know where it is!) when it doesn't work without me doing it in the Prefs panel every boot anyway? Why Doesn't the prefs panel come with berdie anyway? Why doesn't it have an installer? Why is customizing AmigaOS ten times worse than doing it to the old Mac OS? Why is it worse than doing it to LINUX?:madashell:
I think commodore actually hated their customers. I Mean, they must have had to go out of their way to make it so hard, or just not bothered making it nice to use anyway. Probably explains why there's So many gui toolkits, for one.
In OS 9, I kid you not, you'd either run the installer, or put an extension in the "extensions" folder, and a control panel in the "control panels" folder, reboot and it (kaleidoscope, the OS 9 equivalent of Birdie and MUI and the icon programs combined and ten times better) worked. Instantly. No faffing about with text files, nothing. Commodore had a year on them and couldn't get it right, and Apple didn't even bother with Multitasking or even COLOUR.
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I'm going to bed, I've had enough of this for today.
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Do you have it added to your startup-sequence/user-startup ? It needs to be there (and placed correctly) with correct arguements following, otherwise you'll need to manually launch it everytime. By the way if you're an rtg system with '060 (or higher speed(ie. emulated)) I recommend using AFA_OS instead. It's skinning system is more flexible and it also adds other functionality too (anti aliased fonts, 32bit png icons, faster icons, zune, etc.).
p.s. Startup sequence and user startup rock. You just need to understand amigaos a little to use it properly. Also, WBStartup is handy, but not half as flexible. Birdie is a command line program, thats why you need to add arguements and why you cant just place it in WBStartup.
Startup-sequence and user-startup are very simple and easy to use, no other system lets you so easily customise your system. And for the record, yes even Mac OS, etc need to be told where everything is, it just hide it from the user unless they care to look for it. Personally I like having complete control over my computer and not have it assume Im stupid.
As for birdie if you want your arguements for birdie, just check open up the birdie file in env and it'll give them to you. Basically though its a 3rd party system hack, if you want to use things like that then you need to learn AmigaOS a little. Whinging because of your lack of knowledge isnt the best way to get help.
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Strange name :-/
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It doesn't look like Amigas are the right system for you. Luckily they're still in demand on eBay, and you'll probably make your money back if you sold it.
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Goodbye Birdie & VisualPrefs, it's now AfA_OS all the way :)
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Nah, it's just your Amiga adapting to your lab, which is in Hell, I reckon, from your nick.
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Commodore had a year on them and couldn't get it right
Birdie was made by Trond Werner Hansen, a norwegian Amiga user. Not by Commodore. It's an unofficial hack to make the WB nicer. It does a lot of things that it shouldn't... :-)
The reason for Startup-Sequence, User-Startup and WBStartup is that some programs are supposed to run before LoadWB. Programs like Birdie which hacks the way windows are drawn.
User-Startup is pretty safe to toy around with, Startup-Sequence is lower level, still pretty safe if you take the appropriate precautions, but still - warranty void if you toy with it :-)
Now, take a deep breathe, read up on the manual to birdie and other patches you might have running. Birdie is a strange bird which isn't too happy if you crowd it.
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Birdie was made by Trond Werner Hansen, a norwegian Amiga user. Not by Commodore. It's an unofficial hack to make the WB nicer. It does a lot of things that it shouldn't... :-)
I know It wasn't made by Commodore. I'm just saying C's Design choices here have made it harder than it needs to be.
The reason for Startup-Sequence, User-Startup and WBStartup is that some programs are supposed to run before LoadWB. Programs like Birdie which hacks the way windows are drawn.
I'm really not used to this. My mac always knows it has to load up every patch/hack/whatever in the extensions folder. To stop it loading a certain one you just take it out that folder. Nice, clean, simple, all loads before Finder opens. Want a program to open after the Finder desktop? there's a folder for that too. It's nice, no effort required, universal on the classic os.
Going back to ms dos-style config files feels like I've had my bed taken off me by a strange man, who then hands over a stone knife, points in the direction of a bear, and says "It's simple, isn't it!"
User-Startup is pretty safe to toy around with, Startup-Sequence is lower level, still pretty safe if you take the appropriate precautions, but still - warranty void if you toy with it :-)
Now, take a deep breathe, read up on the manual to birdie and other patches you might have running. Birdie is a strange bird which isn't too happy if you crowd it.
I did everything the manual said... Unless I missed something because I was tired.
Round 2:
Do you have it added to your startup-sequence/user-startup ? It needs to be there (and placed correctly) with correct arguements following, otherwise you'll need to manually launch it everytime. By the way if you're an rtg system with '060 (or higher speed(ie. emulated)) I recommend using AFA_OS instead. It's skinning system is more flexible and it also adds other functionality too (anti aliased fonts, 32bit png icons, faster icons, zune, etc.).
Yeah it's in my user-startup. I'm going to have a look at AFA_OS then, good idea.
p.s. Startup sequence and user startup rock. You just need to understand amigaos a little to use it properly. Also, WBStartup is handy, but not half as flexible. Birdie is a command line program, thats why you need to add arguements and why you cant just place it in WBStartup.
I suppose they might be useful If you're used to them. I don't see the need when there could just be a folder called "put stuff in there if you want to load it before the workbench" And Birdie being a command line program seems a very strange choice.
Startup-sequence and user-startup are very simple and easy to use, no other system lets you so easily customise your system. And for the record, yes even Mac OS, etc need to be told where everything is, it just hide it from the user unless they care to look for it.
Easy to use if you've been using it for a long time. And the only time I know of where MACOS is like you described is when you move a system folder, unless you're talking about X is which case that doesn't count.
Personally I like having complete control over my computer and not have it assume Im stupid.
Personally I like having my computer do things that are common sense, and not need spoon feeding the simplest of things. I HAVE to assume the amiga is stupid, unless I want it to destroy all of my things and set fire to the carpet in the style of the chuckle brothers.
As for birdie if you want your arguements for birdie, just check open up the birdie file in env and it'll give them to you. Basically though its a 3rd party system hack, if you want to use things like that then you need to learn AmigaOS a little. Whinging because of your lack of knowledge isnt the best way to get help.
Oh i'm not whinging because of a lack of knowledge. I'm whinging because a system as advanced as the amiga was definitely has some outdated ideas.
I'm goinna have a look at AFA_OS then.
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I think i'm getting the appeal of the amiga. It's like being handed the slowest, stripped out car imaginable that only just has enough parts to drive, as well as a few hundred boxes of stuff to bolt on with less instructions included than most stuff from IKEA.
Bingo dude! :D
PZ.
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I'm really not used to this. My mac always knows it has to load up every patch/hack/whatever in the extensions folder. To stop it loading a certain one you just take it out that folder. Nice, clean, simple, all loads before Finder opens. Want a program to open after the Finder desktop? there's a folder for that too. It's nice, no effort required, universal on the classic os.
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It's a well-known fact the Lam-intosh is made for losers. :)
One of Microsoft's next tv-advertising should be like this: a group of mentally-handicapped people going around to shop for a computer system. Eventually they'll find a computer that best suits them, a Macintosh. Then the slogan catch-phrase appears on screen, "Winners don't use the macintosh" ! That ad would surely be effective. :)
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It's a well-known fact the Lam-intosh is made for losers. :)
One of Microsoft's next tv-advertising should be like this: a group of mentally-handicapped people going around to shop for a computer system. Eventually they'll find a computer that best suits them, a Macintosh. Then the slogan catch-phrase appears on screen, "Winners don't use the macintosh" ! That ad would surely be effective. :)
C'mon now, that's not nice!
How about we just go about explaining it this way:
Think of the Extensions folder on your Mac as the Startup-Squence on your Miggy...it just needs to be altered as text (like any old OS...yeah, this shit is old).
The other folder you mention that starts stuff after boot (dunno what it's called in OS X....even though I own three Macs...LOL), just consider it to be the WBStartup folder on your Amiga.
Has this already been mentioned? Ah, I don't care........I'm drunk! :D
PZ.
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It doesn't look like Amigas are the right system for you. Luckily they're still in demand on eBay, and you'll probably make your money back if you sold it.
+1
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It's a well-known fact the Lam-intosh is made for losers. :)
One of Microsoft's next tv-advertising should be like this: a group of mentally-handicapped people going around to shop for a computer system. Eventually they'll find a computer that best suits them, a Macintosh. Then the slogan catch-phrase appears on screen, "Winners don't use the macintosh" ! That ad would surely be effective. :)
So you just admitted the old mac os handles this better, while trying to insult me at the same time. That deserves another star trek facepalm to me.
I've got AFA_OS installed now, but I think I preferred the way birdie made it look. I think I'll have another go with that then.
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It's a well-known fact the Lam-intosh is made for losers. :)
One of Microsoft's next tv-advertising should be like this: a group of mentally-handicapped people going around to shop for a computer system. Eventually they'll find a computer that best suits them, a Macintosh. Then the slogan catch-phrase appears on screen, "Winners don't use the macintosh" ! That ad would surely be effective. :)
I like the way older Macs did this. Directly and simple. The Amiga way is also nice, you just need to go low level if you really need, and it is easy to deal with the startup-sequence and other text files that are used.
You can follow MS guys and use the registry, deal with junk left there by uninstalled programs, play "guess where my dll is?", "why my computer is sooo sloooow?", "let´s reinstall it this week" and other nice games for winners :D
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I like the way older Macs did this. Directly and simple. The Amiga way is also nice, you just need to go low level if you really need, and it is easy to deal with the startup-sequence and other text files that are used.
You can follow MS guys and use the registry, deal with junk left there by uninstalled programs, play "guess where my dll is?", "why my computer is sooo sloooow?", "let´s reinstall it this week" and other nice games for winners :D
Anything is better than the way windows does stuff. Somehow I'm using 150gb hard disk space, even though this same machine, with the same documents, used about 20gb under XP.:confused: IS technology going backwards? I think a downgrade is in order.
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Just a thought, but have you considered using Amikit ? If youre new to AmigaOS something like that might be of interest to you, unless of course youre enjoying building your system from a basic install (a fun, but sometimes tedious hobby of mine). Amikit also gives a good example of how AFA_OS can enhance the look of a system.
http://amikit.amiga.sk/screenshots.htm
If it's not for you and you want to use birdie still however just let me know and I'll run you through birdie step by step.
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Oh i'm not whinging because of a lack of knowledge. I'm whinging because a system as advanced as the amiga was definitely has some outdated ideas.
It is outdated. The basic WB 3.x hasn't really been updated since it came out in 1992-ish. There is 3.5 and 3.9 but those weren't really OS updates as mush as they were packaged "free commoditues/hacks".
Comparing it to Mac OS 9 isn't really fair. When 3.x came out the Amiga had only existed for 7 years. Mac OS 9 came out nearly 8 YEARS after 3.x.
To stop it loading a certain one you just take it out that folder.
That's exactly how AmigaOS works! It's called the WBStartup folder (Workbench Startup)
Put stuff in there and it starts. Take it out and it doesn't start!
Amiga ALSO gives you the power to do it through User-Startup so you can script your own things. Maybe you want to make something that does a lot of commands.
Sure Birdie has to be added into Startup-Sequence in a non-standard way, but that's because it a HUGE Hack & Patch to the OS. Normally you wouldn't do it. You just through it in WBStartup folder like most OS enhancements.
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It is outdated. The basic WB 3.x hasn't really been updated since it came out in 1992-ish. There is 3.5 and 3.9 but those weren't really OS updates as mush as they were packaged "free commoditues/hacks".
Comparing it to Mac OS 9 isn't really fair. When 3.x came out the Amiga had only existed for 7 years. Mac OS 9 came out nearly 8 YEARS after 3.x.
Let's compare it to system 7 then, from the same time: still true.
That's exactly how AmigaOS works! It's called the WBStartup folder (Workbench Startup)
Put stuff in there and it starts. Take it out and it doesn't start!
WBStartup is not the same. Extensions are not programs, they are libraries. Birdie designed by a sane person would be a library with a Pref panel to control it.
Amiga ALSO gives you the power to do it through User-Startup so you can script your own things. Maybe you want to make something that does a lot of commands.
Applescript in the startup programs folder.
Sure Birdie has to be added into Startup-Sequence in a non-standard way, but that's because it a HUGE Hack & Patch to the OS. Normally you wouldn't do it. You just through it in WBStartup folder like most OS enhancements.
It's not a huge hack. it's a teeny tiny one that just replaces window borders and then buggers off for a drink. Kalidoscope is from the system 7 era, replaces the entire interface, and requires no editing of weird text files.
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Let's compare it to system 7 then, from the same time: still true.
WBStartup is not the same. Extensions are not programs, they are libraries. Birdie designed by a sane person would be a library with a Pref panel to control it.
Applescript in the startup programs folder.
It's not a huge hack. it's a teeny tiny one that just replaces window borders and then buggers off for a drink. Kalidoscope is from the system 7 era, replaces the entire interface, and requires no editing of weird text files.
don't forget that OS9 didn't have preemptive multitasking, and is still a decade later than OS3, also thats only ONE of the reasons for WBstartup and Startup-sequence or User-Startup.
Some time hacks or programs must be run before or after something other, also putting configurability is another reason that something is in need to run from Shell (user startup or S-S)
in Mac you Can't have parameters in the extensions you add, nor you can control the priority of the task not even the startup priority, thats why we mac technicians renamed some extensions with symbols or number before name, so to start them first, example is ATM manager.
Advanced stuff needs advanced interaction! ;-)
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If you dislike AmigaOS so much and think MacOs is so cool, then why are you wasting your time with AmigaOs? Just stick to your Mac, forget the Amiga and be happy :)
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If you dislike AmigaOS so much and think MacOs is so cool, then why are you wasting your time with AmigaOs? Just stick to your Mac, forget the Amiga and be happy :)
I wonder that. I really do. So far, the amiga in a nutshell:
shit, yet fast operating system
nice hardware
price gouged market
fair?
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I wonder that. I really do. So far, the amiga in a nutshell:
shit, yet fast operating system
nice hardware
price gouged market
fair?
well... its actually the opposite!!!
great operating system
advanced technological hardware for its age, shitty quality though (and I mean REAL shitty!)
cheapest machine on its age (for its potential, actually there weren't any competitors!)
most expensive price than other obsolete hardware now.
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well... its actually the opposite!!!
great operating system
advanced technological hardware for its age, shitty quality though (and I mean REAL shitty!)
cheapest machine on its age (for its potential, actually there weren't any competitors!)
most expensive price than other obsolete hardware now.
Great as in "it multitasked and could have multiple screens". To be honest it contains no features other than that and would be basically impossible to turn into a modern system.
The Price of amiga stuff now is terrible unless you buy a job lot of stuff, and all those responsible should feel ashamed.
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shit, yet fast operating system
I don't think that's terribly fair. Classic Mac OS generally had better usability (though having to manually adjust memory limits for software wasn't so nice....), but was a complete mess architecturally. It was a single tasking OS until System 5 came out in 1987 and multitasking was implemented as an extension until System 7. Even then it was a rather nasty hack that wasn't cleaned up until OS X. Further all file access went through the Finder and the finder could only support a single operation at a time until Mac OS 8.
Also keep in mind, that Commodore went under in 1994 roughly 3 years before the release of Mac OS 8. If you want to be fair you should be comparing Workbench 3.1 with System 7 (which to be fair to you, did have the Extension folder which is what you were specifically talking about).
Now Amiga OS had (and to an extent still has in Amiga OS 4) its own share of architectural warts, but for its time the design was quite clean.
price gouged market
Well only after Commodore went out of business. The machines were quite cheap for what you got when they were still in production.
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Birdie is not the most userfriendly app to install and run on an Amiga, but considering it is a OS patch/hack its easy to install.
If it was MS-DOS system, you have to learn autoexec and config.sys. If it is Amiga and you want to run a bit higher end system you need some insight into user-startup and startup-sequence.
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I don't think that's terribly fair. Classic Mac OS generally had better usability (though having to manually adjust memory limits for software wasn't so nice....), but was a complete mess architecturally. It was a single tasking OS until System 5 came out in 1987 and multitasking was implemented as an extension until System 7. Even then it was a rather nasty hack that wasn't cleaned up until OS X. Further all file access went through the Finder and the finder could only support a single operation at a time until Mac OS 8.
Ahh, but usability is what the USER sees, and what he or she judges it on. Joe bloggs doesn't know or even care whats behind what he sees on the screen.
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You're negative points are a lot of the exact same reasons we still use Amiga and want to see a modern AmigaOS return ( on reasonable priced hardware)
Amiga == User is in control
Taking the way Amiga starts up for example. I think it is organize very well. You have:
2 Text files:
Startup-Sequence - which is mostly OS stuff
User-Startup - which is where more advanced users do whatever startup stuff they want
Folder:
WBStartup - which is where it's more abstracted away so it's just drag and drop
AmigaOS gives you more control MORE easily.
I don't want a registry where there are litterally MILLIONS of entries for just my OS and the 10 programs I have installed.
MAC isn't much better with it's ".plist" instead of registry spread all over God's green earth:
HD > Library > Preferences
User > Library > Preferences
Library > Application Support
etc, etc, etc....
I want a single user OS where I control things. I don't want user control crap, if I want to run a virus then I'll damn well run a virus.
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I wonder that. I really do. So far, the amiga in a nutshell:
shit, yet fast operating system
nice hardware
price gouged market
fair?
That's the spirit, jump on an Amiga board, insult it's users, trash the OS and whine your ass off...
Why don't you LEAVE and make sure to give your Amiga away to aomeone that has a friggin CLUE
Friggin Jerk-Off
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You're negative points are a lot of the exact same reasons we still use Amiga and want to see a modern AmigaOS return ( on reasonable priced hardware)
Amiga == User is in control
Taking the way Amiga starts up for example. I think it is organize very well. You have:
2 Text files:
Startup-Sequence - which is mostly OS stuff
User-Startup - which is where more advanced users do whatever startup stuff they want
Folder:
WBStartup - which is where it's more abstracted away so it's just drag and drop
AmigaOS gives you more control MORE easily.
I don't want a registry where there are litterally MILLIONS of entries for just my OS and the 10 programs I have installed.
MAC isn't much better with it's ".plist" instead of registry spread all over God's green earth:
HD > Library > Preferences
User > Library > Preferences
Library > Application Support
etc, etc, etc....
I want a single user OS where I control things. I don't want user control crap, if I want to run a virus then I'll damn well run a virus.
You made the Mistake of confusing Mac OS X with anything I would wish on even my greatest enemy. A real Mac OS doesn't have ".plist" files, nor "library" folders.
@outlawal2: Butthurt much?
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The irony here is that if you seriously want to tweak OSX, what do you have to do? That's right, edit startup files and xml files manually. Supposedly this is considered progress :)
For what it's worth, one can easily create a "extensions" folder on the amiga as well, and create a single file for every tiny bit of startup code - but really, what's the point? Make it easier for Mac users? Why?
I personally never found Macos particularly user friendly, with all its various secret hotkeys for ejecting CD on bootup, space wasting menu bar, lack of proper CLI, messing around with applescript to do the simples things, silly lockup situations because floppy was ejected via menu instead of trashcan, high priority system sounds (DOSing mac users on terminals by sending bell to them; quack quack quack...), windows on network drives opening outside of the display because it remembers the location it had on a different machine... half duplex sound system (not being able to record while playing sounds at the same time, had me pussled for a while), apps hanging around even after you close last window (lots of peeople forgot to quit apps and kept starting new apps till they ran out of RAM)... ugly hacks like ram-doubler, disk-doubler, speed-doubler, whatever-doubler, the damn data and resource mess making interchanging files with other systems a mess, the charset, the line breaks, the horrors of stuffit in all its incarnations, all the hoops and flames one had to jump through to change apps assosiated with a given file, the single button mouse, the powerswtich on various quadra and early powermacs located where many people would expect floppy eject to be... our poor 10Mbit network being bogged down by the very chattative appletalk... ok, enough for now.
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shit, yet fast operating system
If you think AOS is shit then what are you doing here? If it's about the games, then go and play a game and have fun. If it's not about the games, then why do you even bother? If you don't like AOS, then don't use it. No one is forcing you to.
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If you think AOS is shit then what are you doing here? If it's about the games, then go and play a game and have fun. If it's not about the games, then why do you even bother? If you don't like AOS, then don't use it. No one is forcing you to.
Because when the stars Align right, and I've done all the chants and warmed up the dribbly candles it lets me get some work done.
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Because when the stars Align right, and I've done all the chants and warmed up the dribbly candles it lets me get some work done.
What do you want to use AOS for?
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You made the Mistake of confusing Mac OS X with anything I would wish ohttp://www.amiga.org/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=53813n even my greatest enemy. A real Mac OS doesn't have ".plist" files, nor "library" folders.
Ha ha!! So you ARE saying you like OS 9!
OS 9 is great if you like RAM limits, 27dot3 filename length limit, something won't work and you get to spend all day disabling and re-enabling your extensions over and over till it magically works again, right click anybody, making sure each program has enough memory, "out of memory!" notices and the follow-up crashes, it doesn't have a CLI thus effectively condemming it into being a "toy" OS at best, etc, etc, etc.....
You Mac lovers pretend everything is perfect but we all know the truth. Mac-in-trash!
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27dot3 filename length limit
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In 3.9 that would be 107, and typically in 102dot4 where the last 5 chars are .info - where on earth did you pick up "dot3", what do you think this is.. frigging MSDOS??? :laughing:
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Ha ha!! So you ARE saying you like OS 9!
OS 9 is great if you like RAM limits, 27dot3 filename length limit, something won't work and you get to spend all day disabling and re-enabling your extensions over and over till it magically works again, right click anybody, making sure each program has enough memory, "out of memory!" notices and the follow-up crashes, it doesn't have a CLI thus effectively condemming it into being a "toy" OS at best, etc, etc, etc.....
You Mac lovers pretend everything is perfect but we all know the truth. Mac-in-trash!
Ram limits? I've got 512mb in my mac and it runs perfect. Never ran against the file name limit ever, Never had a single extension problem ( but never ran those stupid gimmick ones either), never ran out of memory (virtual memory is your friend), only ever had a crash when trying to run Arkanoid, etc. And why would not having a CLI make it a toy OS? CLIs are completely unnecessary. they are slower than a GUI, more difficult to learn, and usually only ever needed when someone forgets to make a GUI for something. I'd wager that the only time a CLI is useful is Apt-get on linux. Tell me, if OS9 had such a problem with not having a primitive and pointless cli, don't you think they would have added one?
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So do you actually want help with birdie or not ? I offered to run you through it step by step, but you continue to just judge based on how it does things differently to what youre familiar with. Birdie is quite a big hack, and in no way shape or form a library. If it was a library it'd just go in libs. It's a hack, and a command line driven one, and as such it fits quite comfortbly in C. Sure the end result of using birdie is a nice pattern, but to achieve that result on a system that hasnt been officially updated in nearly 2 decades, as has been the case in this time its users came up with thier own methods to enhance the system. Because of this there are no set rules, not everything has a nice installer or co-operates without a little bit of experimenting. In the case of things like birdie, visual prefs, afa_os they actually patch some fairly low level stuff sometimes so care has to be taken. Amiga OS itself is very clear to understand and things always work as they should, it just sometimes takes a little effort to find out how homebrew/3rd party software works (which has nothing to do with the OS). Again, I offer my help. You couldve had it fixed by now if you didnt keep comparing the way Amiga OS and what youre used to. Theyre different OSes, so why should they behave exactly the same ?
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And why would not having a CLI make it a toy OS? CLIs are completely unnecessary. they are slower than a GUI, more difficult to learn, and usually only ever needed when someone forgets to make a GUI for something.
So you're saying that you're a slowe typer, find it difficult to read and learn, and only do trivial tasks on your computers. Sounds like a typical old Mac user yes :)
From experience I find it much easier to give support for a CLI than a GUI over phone. With a CLI you just tell people what to type, with a GUI you need to somehow communicate "what does it look like now", and that's quite hopeless.
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CLI's a way more potent than GUI's for a large range of everyday tasks.
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I can't think of a single thing a cli does that a gui can't. And the gui method is much better for actual productivity, you don't have to keep listing crap out and memorising switches. else we'd be using linux with "screen" installed, I mean clis are only good when you don't want a gui taking up resources or there isn't one avalible yet. But I can't be bothered arguing right now.
@fishy_fiz: Sorry I never saw your post. But If the offer of help is still on the table then I accept.:)
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CLI's a way more potent than GUI's for a large range of everyday tasks.
Excactly, I use many console apps on my Debian box like screen, mc, moc, irssi, rtorrent, links2, centerim just to name a few. They are fast and very low on recourses. I also burn DVDs and CDs from console and pack/unpack archives with just a simple command.
There are so many good console apps available that you actually can do without a gui if you want to.
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I can't think of a single thing a cli does that a gui can't. And the gui method is much better for actual productivity, you don't have to keep listing crap out and memorising switches. else we'd be using linux with "screen" installed, I mean clis are only good when you don't want a gui taking up resources or there isn't one avalible yet. But I can't be bothered arguing right now.
@fishy_fiz: Sorry I never saw your post. But If the offer of help is still on the table then I accept.:)
"But I can't be bothered to argue right now"
HaHa, that is laughable. All you have done is jump on here and argue...
GO AWAY friggin Troll Boy.
Go away..
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CLI's a way more potent than GUI's for a large range of everyday tasks.
I don´t like CLI´s. It is a thing to be kept on the past.
If you analyze everything that is done with CLI you will find that it is possible to implement a cleaner way to do it graphically. GUIs are always more intuitive.
It is quite hard to keep in mind all commands and options, even for advanced users
I do agree however with Kolla that it is easier to give support to CLI users. But today, it should be possible to find a way to remotelly conect to the computer and check the user´s screen to support him. (I´m just dreaming about it)
This is my personal opinion...
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"But I can't be bothered to argue right now"
HaHa, that is laughable. All you have done is jump on here and argue...
GO AWAY friggin Troll Boy.
Go away..
THat's not what troll means.
Aeroman: I think windows has been doing that for years, I think it's called shared desktop. Though VNC could be used the same way?
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THat's not what troll means.
Are you talking about the correct definition of the word, or what you are accused of being?
Ah shit...I'm feeding the troll! :(
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How does a question about birdie end up being a flamewar?
"Classic" versions of MacOS were composed amlost entirely of fail. From using the upper 8-bits of address registers to hold data in old m68k releases, to using exception traps for system calls, to releasing the OS on PPC in which most m68k apps ran much slower than on the machines they were supposed to replace. In the end, even Apple realised what a festering pile it was and decided to start all over agian with a real kernel. So, users should be in no doubt.
However, all of the above isn't the topic. Birdie and/or suitable replacements such as AfA, are.
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In 3.9 that would be 107, and typically in 102dot4 where the last 5 chars are .info - where on earth did you pick up "dot3", what do you think this is.. frigging MSDOS??? :laughing:
I was saying that Mac OS9 has 27dot3 file name limit. ;-)
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How does a question about birdie end up being a flamewar?
The guy is trolling. Read one his first posts, he starts going off how Amiga is crap and MAC OS is better because, and I quote, "Apple didn't even bother with Multitasking or even COLOUR"
Anyway, I leave him to his Mil-Spec Mac Plus.....
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From using the upper 8-bits of address registers to hold data in old m68k releases,
This was a problem with applications (and extension) not the system itself. Even the Amiga wasn't immune to this sort of bad behavior (Amiga Basic anyone?)
to using exception traps for system calls,
This isn't completely unreasonable. On the 68000 the extra overhead doesn't buy you very much, but on later machines with MMUs such a mechanism is necessary to provide proper memory protection (not that classic Mac OS took advantage of that...).
The biggest problems were the hackish way multitasking was implemented and that file access was handled by an application (the Finder) rather than having proper layering.
They tried quite a while to make a next-gen Mac OS that would fix the problems, but they couldn't make it work so they gave up and bought NeXT instead.
I can't think of a single thing a cli does that a gui can't. And the gui method is much better for actual productivity, you don't have to keep listing crap out and memorising switches.
For one, command line programs are easier to script and I say this having used a number of automation tools for classic Mac OS. Certain bulk operations are much faster to do via a CLI as well. Deleting all the files that end with a certain string is trivial via a CLI with wildcards, but requires a fair amount of manual work in a GUI. This not to say that it's superior for everything, but it is handy to have around.
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Why would anyone think they could win a flame war on an Amiga forum when arguing the benefits of MacOS Classic against AmigaOS? :crazy:
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This was a problem with applications (and extension) not the system itself. Even the Amiga wasn't immune to this sort of bad behavior (Amiga Basic anyone?)
Shush, we don't talk about that ;) Anyway, I recall quite clearly that you had to make sure you used the correct ROM images with various emulators that were 32-bit clean, since earlier ROM's were not above abusing the upper 8-bits of the address registers.
[This isn't completely unreasonable. On the 68000 the extra overhead doesn't buy you very much, but on later machines with MMUs such a mechanism is necessary to provide proper memory protection (not that classic Mac OS took advantage of that...).
This is the same mechanism that utterly cripples floating point software using unimplemented 6888x instruction calls and invoking an exception trap. To say the overhead isn't that bad is being economical with the truth, really.
Now, if you need to go supervisor, that's fine. However, as you say, classic MacOS didn't actually bother making use of the extended control over the system that doing so would afford, so in fact, you've basically got a cripplingly slow system call that you could have implemented fine in user mode.
The biggest problems were the hackish way multitasking was implemented and that file access was handled by an application (the Finder) rather than having proper layering.
They tried quite a while to make a next-gen Mac OS that would fix the problems, but they couldn't make it work so they gave up and bought NeXT instead.
For one, command line programs are easier to script and I say this having used a number of automation tools for classic Mac OS. Certain bulk operations are much faster to do via a CLI as well. Deleting all the files that end with a certain string is trivial via a CLI with wildcards, but requires a fair amount of manual work in a GUI. This not to say that it's superior for everything, but it is handy to have around.
OSX was the best thing to happen to Macs, ever, IMO.
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I like how me becoming extremely annoyed at a lack of user friendlyness when attempting a basic task (That I can do ten times easier in a text editor in say, linux) is perceived as "trolling" (and not even the correct use of the word trolling). Because when a flaw is found, it is the users fault, the user doesn't deserve to use it and should sell it to somebody "worthy".
I also particularly like how an operating system that was designed with an actually decent UI (and indeed, everything else a none-programmer sees was designed better too) was characterized as "composed almost entirely of fail", yet the one that ties the end user up and beats them with electric stun batons is praised because the hardware it shipped on had a nice chipset, and the magic it was powered by was blue and not red or something.
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I like how me becoming extremely annoyed at a lack of user friendlyness when attempting a basic task (That I can do ten times easier in a text editor in say, linux) is perceived as "trolling" (and not even the correct use of the word trolling). Because when a flaw is found, it is the users fault, the user doesn't deserve to use it and should sell it to somebody "worthy".
Birdie is a hack, at the end of the day, but not complex to install. But if you are still struggling, I'm pretty sure I can dig out the config I was using when I last used birdie and tell you exactly where in the startup sequence to insert the relevant text. The task you are trying to do is exactly what you just described, adding a few lines to a text file.
I also particularly like how an operating system that was designed with an actually decent UI (and indeed, everything else a none-programmer sees was designed better too) was characterized as "composed almost entirely of fail", yet the one that ties the end user up and beats them with electric stun batons is praised because the hardware it shipped on had a nice chipset, and the magic it was powered by was blue and not red or something.
I did point out that this was not on topic but if you ever tried writing any code for it, you'd understand. The people that developed it understood too. Which is why they abandoned it totally in favour of Darwin.
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It's a bit sad when adults are still arguing and insulting each other over whose computer is best :rolleyes:
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moto
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Well I got my hands back on my old amstrad cpc6128 the other day. Now that clearly is the best computer :)
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Well I got my hands back on my old amstrad cpc6128 the other day. Now that clearly is the best computer :)
Anything by amstrad is cool with me. After all, they drove the spectrum into the ground, and those things just rub me the wrong way. Although that's probably because my brother in law got given two of the +2 model (built in tape deck) along with a three foot square crate of games on cassette, four joysticks, and also a vintage 80's cd player, ALL FOR FREE. He threw all of that out about a week later even though he knew I wanted it. :( He thought it needed a special monitor and refused to believe you just plugged it in the tv and tune it in, and also refuses to believe that anyone would pay for it.
But yeah, let's make birdie do some work or I'm feeding it to a cat.
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I like how me becoming extremely annoyed at a lack of user friendlyness when attempting a basic task (That I can do ten times easier in a text editor in say, linux) is perceived as "trolling" (and not even the correct use of the word trolling). Because when a flaw is found, it is the users fault, the user doesn't deserve to use it and should sell it to somebody "worthy".
Getting annoyed is fine, calling an OS shit because it's not as easy to use as MacOs (which AOS is, no doubt) isn't right.
I also particularly like how an operating system that was designed with an actually decent UI (and indeed, everything else a none-programmer sees was designed better too) was characterized as "composed almost entirely of fail", yet the one that ties the end user up and beats them with electric stun batons is praised because the hardware it shipped on had a nice chipset, and the magic it was powered by was blue and not red or something.
The problem here is that MacOs isn't as powerful as AOS, it's simply more user friendly. Remember, there are two types of users: Users who want lots of control (AOS) and users who don't care about 'under the hood power' (MacOs). The quality of an OS is based on those two things: How powerful it is and how user friendly it is. In other words, both OSs have their fair share of problems. If you're going to use AOS, then you'll have to accept the fact that you're dealing with an OS that isn't as user friendly as it could've been.
To sum it up:
AOS - Powerful but reduced user friendliness.
MacOS - User friendly but reduced power.
Pick one and stick to it, or use both, but please stop thrashing AOS, thanks :)
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I like how me becoming extremely annoyed at a lack of user friendlyness when attempting a basic task
Maybe you should go back and read how you posted....
User-startup shit
It's like they saw how (macos) and thought : "That's a great idea!, lets do something worse!"
How could they? Amiga OS3.x was out 7 years after Amiga even came to market. OS9 came out almost 15 YEARS after Amiga came out. It's more likely Apple saw how Amiga did it, STOLE it and enhanced it over 8 more years of development cycles.
Why the Hell should I have to...
god damned prefs file
Why is customizing AmigaOS ten times worse than doing it to the old Mac OS?
Why is it worse than doing it to LINUX?
I think commodore actually hated their customers.
they must have had to go out of their way to make it so hard
not bothered making it nice to use
Commodore had a year on them and couldn't get it right
OS 9 ten times better
Fishy_fiz gave a long post on trying to help you... Several other people also offered ideas, some also mentioned AFA_OS which really is a better way to go then the Birdie HACK..
then you go on some more...
I HAVE to assume the amiga is stupid
I want it to destroy all of my things and set fire to the carpet
Oh i'm not whinging because of a lack of knowledge. I'm whinging because a system as advanced as the amiga was definitely has some outdated ideas.
That where I posted that it does have outdated ideas i.e. it came out in 1992. The entire Amiga line was only out for 7 years. Mac had those years plus 8 MORE before OS 9.
People have said over and over Birdie is a HACK, what it does is not even suppose to be possible on Amiga oS3.x, so hence all the issues.
It would be like me whining about how it's so HARD to install homebrew apps on my iPod touch. Wah!! I have to jailbreak and blah blah, OH It's so hard!!! On my Android device I can just download apps and install them.
There are plenty of enhancements and commodity tools that work like one would expect. ie. Drag it into the Startup-Folder and it works.
So, yeah, looks like trolling to me.
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So you just admitted the old mac os handles this better, while trying to insult me at the same time. That deserves another star trek facepalm to me.
I've got AFA_OS installed now, but I think I preferred the way birdie made it look. I think I'll have another go with that then.
Well geez, I don't know - people tend to insult people who are insulting. There are a lot of good chaps on here that will go out of their way to help you if you're nice about it. Besides posting obvious flame bait about how sh**ty the 1993 AmigaOS is versus Mac OS is bound to get a reaction.
I for one, hate the way Mac OS locks the user into a little square box and makes you jump through hoops to get out. If you like it great, go use it - as someone said you're Amiga will go to good use to someone else out there.
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Maybe you should go back and read how you posted....
How could they? Amiga OS3.x was out 7 years after Amiga even came to market. OS9 came out almost 15 YEARS after Amiga came out. It's more likely Apple saw how Amiga did it, STOLE it and enhanced it over 8 more years of development cycles.
Eh? System 7 did it the same way and came out in 1991. Even then the main change was to have a dedicated extentions folder, rather than just put the file in "system folder", which is how it worked in 1984.
Fishy_fiz gave a long post on trying to help you... Several other people also offered ideas, some also mentioned AFA_OS which really is a better way to go then the Birdie HACK..
The people trying to help me got buried under Nerdity induced rage, my bad.
That where I posted that it does have outdated ideas i.e. it came out in 1992. The entire Amiga line was only out for 7 years. Mac had those years plus 8 MORE before OS 9.
Actually System 7 pretty much finished the classic mac os. 7.1 - 9.2.2 were really just minor updates and features, and 8.0 had a new appearance hacked in. with a some extensions copied over (no text editing required :lol:) and a Resedit version number hack, system 7 runs anything the later versions do.
People have said over and over Birdie is a HACK, what it does is not even suppose to be possible on Amiga oS3.x, so hence all the issues.
Kaleidoscope is an even bigger hack, again for system 7, yet has no issues barring making the screen flash once when you change theme. I should point out that Kaleidoscope replaces the entire GUI.
It would be like me whining about how it's so HARD to install homebrew apps on my iPod touch. Wah!! I have to jailbreak and blah blah, OH It's so hard!!! On my Android device I can just download apps and install them.
Uhh? You can just download apps and install them on the iPod touch too, what's your point? And Jailbreaking is easy. Run a program on your pc, then hold down some buttons for a bit. Done.
There are plenty of enhancements and commodity tools that work like one would expect. ie. Drag it into the Startup-Folder and it works.
Well good then I should expect nothing less of (http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/images/smiles/mf_emoticon_siren.gif)(http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/images/smiles/mf_emoticon_siren.gif)AMIGAAAAAAAA! (http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/images/smiles/mf_emoticon_siren.gif)(http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/images/smiles/mf_emoticon_siren.gif)
So, yeah, looks like trolling to me.
That's... not what trolling is. Not even close. Having a differing opinion, and saying it, is not trolling. I mean, unless you work for the Chinese or North Korean governments.
If I was a troll, I'd have probably just signed up, immediately made an inflammatory post, then sat there laughing at the ensuring shitstorm while drinking vimto and wondering when local businesses will start hiring again because savings don't last forever.
I'm not a troll, Because I signed up a while back (and was lurking even when you could actually use an amiga to post here), made this thread to get help, got annoyed at amiga, then sat there annoyed at the ensuring shitstorm while drinking vimto and wondering when local businesses will start hiring again because savings don't last forever.
@Thorham: fair enough.
@Nlandas: Is my mac broke? I've never seen the little box you speak of. I'll look for it next time I boot it up.
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wondering when local businesses will start hiring again because savings don't last forever.
Hell Labs' next job interview:
Human Resources: Good morning.
Hell Labs: What the hell is this crap, I had to turn a knob to get in this damn piece of trash building. In MacOS 9, all I'd have to do is double click!
Human Resources: ...next.
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Hell Labs' next job interview:
Human Resources: Good morning.
Hell Labs: What the hell is this crap, I had to turn a knob to get in this damn piece of trash building. In MacOS 9, all I'd have to do is double click!
Human Resources: ...next.
HR: a typically American thing. In a real country, it goes like this:
Manager: Morning.
Hell labs: Morning.
Manager: so what's your previous experience? it says here that you did *X* at *Y*
Hell labs: Yeah, I did X at Y.
Manager: welcome aboard.
Seriously. "human resources". Another great invention from the country that brought us spray on cheese and the car interior made of hard plastics.
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Oh, they hire people like that in the US too. Generally for jobs like shoveling animal crap out of stalls or bagging groceries.
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Oh, they hire people like that in the US too. Generally for jobs like shoveling animal crap out of stalls or bagging groceries.
I'm not Mexican. Although it does anger me to no end how your society shits on them.:)
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Surprise, surprise! Something else that angers old Hell Labs! Lets talk about these constant feelings of anger. Were you neglected as a child? I'm sure the good members of this forum would be glad to help you find some peace of mind.
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Surprise, surprise! Something else that angers old Hell Labs! Lets talk about these constant feelings of anger.
Not constant, merely whenever something pisses me off. Sarcastic yankee bastards is one of them.
Were you neglected as a child?
Yes.
I'm sure the good members of this forum would be glad to help you find some peace of mind.
They probably won't be. I have pills for that, they don't work. I don't know what you think fleshy meat creatures the other end of the internet will do to help, when Modern chemistry does fuck all whatsoever.
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FFS guys, knock it off.
There are bound to be people out there that loved MacOS classic.
@Hell Labs
For a piece of software you might have a lot of fun with, look out for ShapeShifter or Fusion. You can relive the good old days then. I don't think either of them will run OS9, but 8 is certainly doable.
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FFS guys, knock it off.
There are bound to be people out there that loved MacOS classic.
@Hell Labs
For a piece of software you might have a lot of fun with, look out for ShapeShifter or Fusion. You can relive the good old days then. I don't think either of them will run OS9, but 8 is certainly doable.
Oh I know about those. The guy that started shapeshifter eventually went all out and rewrote it into basilisk II for pc, then sheepshaver which is pretty much the same thing but does PPC. And I don't think I'll be "reliving the good old days" when I can just turn on my other computer.:roflmao:
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Oh I know about those. The guy that started shapeshifter eventually went all out and rewrote it into basilisk II for pc, then sheepshaver which is pretty much the same thing but does PPC. And I don't think I'll be "reliving the good old days" when I can just turn on my other computer.:roflmao:
Suit yourself :)
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THat's not what troll means.
Aeroman: I think windows has been doing that for years, I think it's called shared desktop. Though VNC could be used the same way?
Mmm... yeah, that is a good example. Wouldn´t be nice to have support that way?
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Man, this thread grows fast...
So, I will answer the main question:
If you want to find Birdie, look for a nest in the trees next to you :D
(Ok... too silly)
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Suit yourself :)
I might have a play around with them later, would be cool to see how well it works inside winuae.
If I can get birdie running first :hammer: AFA_OS makes it look a wee bit too modern, I still want it to look like th'old 68k.
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Man, this thread grows fast...
So, I will answer the main question:
If you want to find Birdie, look for a nest in the trees next to you :D
(Ok... too silly)
Okay, I fond the birdie...
Now, how to I get it to wake up when the amiga does and make it look pretty? I heard birdies are good at window decorating.
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Aw, missed this thread. Funny stuff. Keep feeding him/her!
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Aw, missed this thread. Funny stuff. Keep feeding him/her!
I'm racking up posts at an incredible speed. 'sides which, this forum needs a bit of excitement.
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For the love of god, offer no further assistance to this guy.
Do you REALLY want him to resolve his Amiga issues and hang around here?
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You know, this guy's issues aside, one thing that we could write. An Automator (Mac App) like application that can be run with little or no requirements (i.e. boot with not startup) that parses CLI scripts and arranges them within action groups. Again see Automator for examples. But it could be a nice GUI driven script editor.
Things like Add Assign adds a box which lets you enter a name and select a drive using an asl like requestor. Or Execute command which lets you choose where then another drop down shows you all the commands in that directory and allows you to adjust things like stack or env prefs. This would insert all the necessary commands to ensure this environment.
Or how many times have you wanted to assign your system to a sub folder and got tire d of typing things like
assign sys:
assign l: sys:l
assign c: sys:c
assign devs: sys:devs
assign fonts: sys:fonts
....
When we could select a Assign System action and simply enter folder name. The tool would then insert the necessary lines into the script (S:User-Startup or S:Startup-Sequence) as needed.
The actions could be conditional. A lot of potential. I've never had problems with modifying startup scripts but this would still be convenient. Just a thought.
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Or how many times have you wanted to assign your system to a sub folder ...
Never. :hammer:
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For the love of god, offer no further assistance to this guy.
Do you REALLY want him to resolve his Amiga issues and hang around here?
Why would it matter to you? your post count since you've joined should be enough to classify you as legally dead.
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Why would it matter to you? your post count since you've joined should be enough to classify you as legally dead.
I know when to keep my mouth shut...
Besides, I didn't need help installing Birdie, or doing other elementary tasks like editing text files....
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Following example is a correct birdie startup sequence entry:
Run >Nil: C:Birdie PubScreens precision=6 ActivePattern "workbench: prefs/patterns/birdie/WTA.iff" "workbench: prefs/patterns/birdie/WTI.iff"
Place the entry allmost at the bottom of the startup-sequence, and ofcourse change the path's from the example.
(edit:had to put a space between workbench and prefs or else you get :P )
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Why would it matter to you? your post count since you've joined should be enough to classify you as legally dead.
"Hell Labs" is just another faceless troll, getting off while hiding behind his keyboard:
(http://www.emuasylum.com/forums/images/styles/vb3dark/smilies/op.gif)
Oh, YEAH, tell me how to install BIRDIE, OH YESS!! TELL ME!!! OH THAT'S SO GOOD!
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"Hell Labs" is just another faceless troll, getting off while hiding behind his keyboard:
(http://www.emuasylum.com/forums/images/styles/vb3dark/smilies/op.gif)
Oh, YEAH, tell me how to install BIRDIE, OH YESS!! TELL ME!!! OH THAT'S SO GOOD!
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You know I've already explained the differences between me and an internet troll, please stop misusing the word. If you'd like another example of a difference, consider this: a troll would not spend three and a half months posting after a year or so of lurking, then decide to troll. Usually they do it as soon as they find a message board. Also, a.org isn't really a prime trolling target, usually it's either websites focusing on despicable subjects (pro neo-nazi forums and the like), stupid people, the mentally disabled ( I really don't condone picking on those people but it still happens.), and combinations of them all. Although thinking about it, if you still need help with the concept now you'll probably never get it. :)
Unless you mean the mythical creature, in which case you need stronger medication.
Thanks to PPC for the example.:)
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You know I've already explained the differences between me and an internet troll, please stop misusing the word. If you'd like another example of a difference, consider this: a troll would not spend three and a half months posting after a year or so of lurking, then decide to troll. Usually they do it as soon as they find a message board. Also, a.org isn't really a prime trolling target, usually it's either websites focusing on despicable subjects (pro neo-nazi forums and the like), stupid people, the mentally disabled ( I really don't condone picking on those people but it still happens.), and combinations of them all. Although thinking about it, if you still need help with the concept now you'll probably never get it. :)
Unless you mean the mythical creature, in which case you need stronger medication.
Thanks to PPC for the example.:)
OK if Troll doesn't suit your tastes, how about asshole or friggin PRICK? Both of those sum up your actions quite nicely..
GO
AWAY
Are there any moderators on this board? Everyone has tried to help this jerk and all he has done is cause crap. PLEASE REMOVE THIS PRICK FROM THE BOARD
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OK if Troll doesn't suit your tastes, how about asshole or friggin PRICK? Both of those sum up your actions quite nicely..
GO
AWAY
Are there any moderators on this board? Everyone has tried to help this jerk and all he has done is cause crap. PLEASE REMOVE THIS PRICK FROM THE BOARD
(http://www.gamesprays.com/images/icons/cry_some_more_icon387.jpg)
Please, tell me about your butthurt. It's probably boring though so I might just skim though it or probably not even read it at all. Which is, you know, also an option for you. I mean, unless someone has forced your eyes open, clockwork orange style while my posts slowly scroll past.
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@ Hell Labs & Outlawal2
When the pair of you are quite finished ... take your little squabble elsewhere if you don't mind. It doesn't belong here on A.org
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@ Hell Labs & Outlawal2
When the pair of you are quite finished ... take your little squabble elsewhere if you don't mind. It doesn't belong here on A.org
I was hoping to get it to page ten. I've got the answer I needed and vented my spleen a few days ago. Now it's just pillocks throwing petrol on the fire and acting surprised when it goes "WHOOSH".
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Well be the bigger man and let it go ... stop fanning the flames
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Well be the bigger man and let it go ... stop fanning the flames
But it stopped being annoying and started being funny. Sometimes schadenfreude is wonderful.
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A.org is not the place to have public squabbles, no matter how funny you find it.
Hopefully the moderators will step in and put an end to it. If that means they kick you out then I'll simply say bye to you now.
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A.org is not the place to have public squabbles, no matter how funny you find it.
Hopefully the moderators will step in and put an end to it. If that means they kick you out then I'll simply say bye to you now.
I always find it interesting when people like you criticize someone for speaking up and trying to get the offender removed... And then you spend multiple posts saying and doing exactly the same thing...
Now why didn't I think of asking the moderators to remove this guy? (Oh wait that is exactly what I did. But you accused me of fanning the flames..)
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@ Outlawal2
If you bother to read the thread properly, you'll find I was asking Hell Labs to stop fanning the flames and not you.
It seems the pair of you are only interested in arguing so by all means, go right ahead and we'll let the powers that be sort it out.
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Dear God! What was the point of this?
Dude, Big clue and a warning (I won't go over all the posting guideline violations).
Don't trash the Amiga on and Amiga Community Site!
Every out of the topic. It's closed!