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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: xeron on December 31, 2009, 04:28:10 PM
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here (http://www.amigabounty.net/attachments/project/44/tw7.png) and here (http://www.amigabounty.net/attachments/project/44/tw8.png).
:-)
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Man, it looks awesome, I can't wait to get my hands on it!
Confirmed: It runs under OS4.1 update 1 :D
Cheers,
Dragster
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It looks like we can expect some news tomorrow...
http://www.a-eon.com/?
Cheers,
Dragster
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Man, it looks awesome, I can't wait to get my hands on it!
Confirmed: It runs under OS4.1 update 1 :D
Cheers,
Dragster
Once there is a browser that works! under AOS then i might be tempted to go a get something to run it on. Since 99% of everything I do on a computer is browser based ;)
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Once there is a browser that works! under AOS then i might be tempted to go a get something to run it on. Since 99% of everything I do on a computer is browser based ;)
Then youmay look to MorphOS with OWB and partial Flash support. Works like a charm and hardware is easily obtainable through ebay or other sources (Mac mini, Pegasos or Efika).
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It looks like we can expect some news tomorrow...
http://www.a-eon.com/?
Cheers,
Dragster
At least Hyperion kind of know how to tease. Hopyfully something nice and concrete turns out of it.
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Then youmay look to MorphOS with OWB and partial Flash support. Works like a charm and hardware is easily obtainable through ebay or other sources (Mac mini, Pegasos or Efika).
When MOS and AOS run on the same hardware that could be an option until then I'll pass.
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When MOS and AOS run on the same hardware that could be an option until then I'll pass.
They can on the Pegasos II, although a little expensive and hard to find, I admit :(
Regards,
Efren
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When MOS and AOS run on the same hardware that could be an option until then I'll pass.
They do, on two platforms: amiga powerup, and pegasos 2 (your best option).
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Wow, it still looks terrible!
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Wow, it still looks terrible!
What looks terrible? I just see Firefox?
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here (http://www.amigabounty.net/attachments/project/44/tw7.png) and here (http://www.amigabounty.net/attachments/project/44/tw8.png).
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...and there you have it folks, the MAP! Two Firefox screenshots!
I'll get me coat...
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Errrr....
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@Fab
Can't Agree more.
@Boudicca
Both OSes are running happily here on my Pegasos II... definately your best option, it's not new hardware though.
Cheers,
Dragster
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They can on the Pegasos II, although a little expensive and hard to find, I admit :(
Regards,
Efren
Yep, unfortunately Amiga stuff has never been cheap... so you gotta get used to it :D
Cheers,
Dragster
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We look forward to see more information.
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I can't seem to get those funky compiz-esque dropshadows on my OS4.1 windows. I have the compositing feature enabled but don't seem to have any options for such effects.
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Still has that unnecessary bar along the side, still has very un-Amiga-like horrible looking drop down menus attached to the top of the window, and yes, it's still just crappy, bloated Firefox, the browser that runs like a snail on a 1.6Ghz Linux PC. I can't imagine how slow it'll be on a 600Mhz Sam. They do claim to want to fix these things for Timbrewolf... yet with each new screenshot they leak, it still looks the same.
But look, the screenshots weren't to show off their progress on porting this Linux software to their OS, it's to show off their overhyped new project, or at least tease people about it and get their hopes up that it's actually something impressive.
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It's just a browser, if they can't get the plug-ins to work it's a pointless exercise....
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Exactly, and as far as plain browsers go, OWB is and has been fine for some time. Tiberwolf seems pointless to me when there are other applications we need more than a second or third browser.
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Yep, unfortunately Amiga stuff has never been cheap... so you gotta get used to it :D
Actually when Commodore was still around the Amiga was the most cost effective computer ever conceived.
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Still has that unnecessary bar along the side, still has very un-Amiga-like horrible looking drop down menus attached to the top of the window, and yes, it's still just crappy, bloated Firefox, the browser that runs like a snail on a 1.6Ghz Linux PC. I can't imagine how slow it'll be on a 600Mhz Sam. They do claim to want to fix these things for Timbrewolf... yet with each new screenshot they leak, it still looks the same.
But look, the screenshots weren't to show off their progress on porting this Linux software to their OS, it's to show off their overhyped new project, or at least tease people about it and get their hopes up that it's actually something impressive.
The bar down the side is just an intuition thing. You either specify the resize window gadget to be on the side or underneath. This can be changed, and from what I've gathered, it will be changed.. but its not a high priority..
The un amiga like menus are there because they're porting the browser first (using the built in GUI?) and then making it Amiga like as soon as they can afterwards..
I'm with you in assuming it will be slower than IBrowse and AWeb due to being more than a text editor with inline images, but I seriously doubt it will be unusable in terms of speed.
You complain that a screenshot doesnt show anything new.. how can a picture show a gethostbyname() race condition bugfix?? or whatever it was they were doing.. how can a picture show newly added hardware accelerated scrolling??
How can you call it Linux software? it runs on Windows and Mac too. Programming languages, dependencies, source code, blah blah, its getting harder to say something belongs to one platform. if it builds and runs on another system with a native GUI, then...??
But yes, I agree.. it WAS an advertising gimmick for their "most ambitious project". and I love it. :) I mean, each Amiga platform has its strengths, and thats why we're all splintered and using something different to chat with WookieChat on (cough), but I wish people would stop sneering at the "other sides". I'm sorry people have a go at you on IRC for not wanting or being able to afford an expensive Sam though.. I dont want to come across as being one of those guys.
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It's just a browser, if they can't get the plug-ins to work it's a pointless exercise....
Isnt a Firefox plugin just a javascript script?
If so, would that be hard to implement?
Even so, after porting the whole browser, dont you think it's plugin system would be a little easier?
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pfft
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Isnt a Firefox plugin just a javascript script?
If so, would that be hard to implement?
Even so, after porting the whole browser, dont you think it's plugin system would be a little easier?
A plugin can be as simple as a javascript file and some XUL interface stuff, or it can be as complex as a set of binaries.
Heck, google are working on something called Native Client (http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/) (NaCl) which is an x86 native environment that allows plugins to be written directly for x86 but without caring about the specific platform's OS or even the browser, provided it supports the currently accepted norms for binary plugins.
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It's nice to be finally getting a firefox port but I have to admit, I've grown quite fond of OWB as a basic browser.
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the browser that runs like a snail on a 1.6Ghz Linux PC. I can't imagine how slow it'll be on a 600Mhz Sam.
No idea what the issue might be with your Linux PC, but I was just running Firefox usably on an old 233mhz subnotebook (albeit version 2.0) for the past few days, and the newest runs like a dream on my 1.6GHz Atom netbooks. 600mhz is more than enough for everything but heavy Flash junk like Youtube.
or at least tease people about it and get their hopes up that it's actually something impressive.
Porting something as big as Firefox to AmigaOS sounds pretty impressive to me. I'll agree OWB does work fine on 4.1, but on a next to abandoned platform like Amiga, better to let the developers do what makes them happy/attracts attention/whatever, who knows, maybe they'll pick up a few new tricks along the way and decide to port OpenOffice or something.
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@Fab
Can't Agree more.
@Boudicca
Both OSes are running happily here on my Pegasos II... definately your best option, it's not new hardware though.
Cheers,
Dragster
Yep and thats a dead end as far as I can see. What infuriates me is where are those philanthropic software houses who cashed in when the amiga was the biz and now shun their long lost family. All it would take was a 10million of loose change to get the amiga to be at least worthy of note. I would pay good money for a box that was an Amiga at heart and not an Faux Amiga in waiting.
It drives like an Amiga, Sounds like an Amiga, Looks like an Amiga, why not buy an Amiga.! Dam if VW can work the magic, I'm sure someone can make it happen.
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Amiga users have been moaning for years about the lack of a decent browser. Now somebody is attempting to port Firefox, and people are whinging about that. Some people will never be satisfied :rolleyes:
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moto
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Still has that unnecessary bar along the side, still has very un-Amiga-like horrible looking drop down menus attached to the top of the window, and yes, it's still just crappy, bloated Firefox, the browser that runs like a snail on a 1.6Ghz Linux PC. I can't imagine how slow it'll be on a 600Mhz Sam. They do claim to want to fix these things for Timbrewolf... yet with each new screenshot they leak, it still looks the same.
*sighs* I pop in once in a lifetime and see that things are the same here as they are everywhere. Of course you are entitled to your opinion (although it could have been presented a lot less offensive than you did). However, don't you think that work-in-progress screenshots do not necessarily represent the final product? Maybe that "unnecessary" bar is still there because we are currently reworking the way that AmigaOS sizes windows.
About the look, yes the default theme looks pretty horrible, we didn't bother to think about an AmigaOS default theme yet. These screenshots are there to present progress, nothing else. If you are building a house, you won't complain about the color of walls until they are actually painted, will you?
As for the speed, it will most likely be too slow for the classic. I think it will run alright on the SAM, depending on your definition of "alright" - I personally don't think Firefox is slow, although it seems to be a lot faster on Windows than it is on Linux.
But look, the screenshots weren't to show off their progress on porting this Linux software to their OS, it's to show off their overhyped new project, or at least tease people about it and get their hopes up that it's actually something impressive.
Actually, they were intended to show off our progress on porting this Linux software to our OS that has been asked for since the source code of this Linux software was released, like, 8 years ago, a project that you are free to use or ignore as you like since we don't ask money for it (the donations are freely given, the project would probably be finished even if nobody had donated). It's the typical case of "take it or leave it", so I do not see any reason for you to put down the effort like this.
As for our overhyped new project, maybe you should again wait and see whether it is impressive or not. Your definition of "impressive" will certainly be adapted by you to proof your point here, but others will find it impressive, I am quite sure of that.
~~~ Rogue
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As for the speed, it will most likely be too slow for the classic. I think it will run alright on the SAM, depending on your definition of "alright" - I personally don't think Firefox is slow, although it seems to be a lot faster on Windows than it is on Linux.
~~~ Rogue
i hope your right.
im posting here with a 322Mhz Blizzard PPC,it has a 80.666Mhz bus
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Firefox is a good browser when you need some of the plugins but there's no way I'd use it as an everyday browser...
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@Rogue
"..you won't complain about the color of walls until they are actually painted, will you?"
My GF just complained about how our not yet finished walls looked just 2 minutes ago:-)
Timberwolf seems to be progressing well and I for one is looking forward to actually be using it!
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It's exciting to see how add-on compatible timberwolf will be with FireFox.
I hope for:
ImageZoom
TabMixPlus
Down'emAll
Then:
FabTabs
GoogleToolbar
I'll be a happy puppy then, and in heaven if I also get the Webdeveloper plugins to work! :-)
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Just in case anybody is wondering what just happened, I momentarily closed the thread and moved all the X/AEON related posts to this (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50937) thread.
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I'll be a happy puppy then, and in heaven if I also get the Webdeveloper plugins to work! :-)
I'd imagine that would be one of the ones that would work pretty much straight away. As far as I know, it is pure JS/XUL.
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Woe me, do I have to plan a migration from Windows7 and OSx to OS4? :lol:
Bente my girlfriend won't be happy. A new "browser" and OS to learn. Just because one of my whims...
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Woe me, do I have to plan a migration from Windows7 and OSx to OS4? :lol:
Bente my girlfriend won't be happy. A new "browser" and OS to learn. Just because one of my whims...
Just give her the windows 7 box and be done with it. Anyway, it can't be as harsh as expecting her to learn how to use linux... which is pretty much what I did to my significant other
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Truth be told, until Toni (pre-edit: I AM JOKING) falls in love with Java, ports Java to Amiga (any flavour) and releases WinUAE as a Java app, I will always have a Windows box for WinUAE purposes (not joking) :-/
Now, what remains to be seen is how much of the Timberwolf code that can migrate to the other colours of Amiga
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i hope your right.
im posting here with a 322Mhz Blizzard PPC,it has a 80.666Mhz bus
That's fast for the card. How does the memory and support logic keep up?
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iv updated my photo album more to follow when i get a proper camera workbench showing 322Mhz Blizzard PPC.
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3039
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iv updated my photo album more to follow when i get a proper camera workbench showing 322Mhz Blizzard PPC.
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3039
How did you overclock that far?
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i hope your right.
im posting here with a 322Mhz Blizzard PPC,it has a 80.666Mhz bus
I'm curious too.. I want my CyberstormPPC running at that clock speed :)
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haha, i would prefer to have the 060 on my cyberstorm clocked like that.
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How did you overclock that far?
If I recall correctly, he modified his BPPC, adding a socket to which he fitted a faster 603e part.
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If I recall correctly, he modified his BPPC, adding a socket to which he fitted a faster 603e part.
wrong.
it's the Blizzard/Bvision card with it's own onboard complete cooling system that's setting the pace. both cards are plug-in & play there is no cable to connect the fans. it's all onboard and works in a desktop A1200 no extra feet and no cut-out in the trapdoor.
the Blizzard with the socket should be faster.
EXTRA NOTES: some user's found that when swtiching screen modes there system would lock-up,iv fixed this. it was a hardware problem but more test is needed to comfirm this was the problem but so-far iv had no lock-ups changing screen mode with the latest modification. also the Blizzard card will get faster and is still being worked on.
WARNING! do not try to overclock your Cyberstorm/Blizzard PPC cards there are chips that need cooling and is mandatory. if you fail to add the correct cooling you will damage the card.
**ALL MODIFICATION AT YOUR OWN RISK **