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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: rvo_nl on December 13, 2009, 05:05:50 PM
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sorry. see below.
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Hmm it seems classic ppc users are hard to find these days.. or perhaps my description wasnt clear enough. Let me try again:
1) Im having problems installing WarpOS. Its not terminating PowerUP properly. I always get the 'Terminate' requester when I try to run a PowerUP program. I do have to install the 'compatible' V7 library, right? Or is this not needed anymore?
2) Is there some setting in the PPC menu, or perhaps a later FlashUpdate (I have quite a late one, I think. Dont know how to check) that fixes things?
3) Also, I can not user WarpOS in conjunction with the OS3.9 JPEG datatype. Why is this? I thought OS3.9 comes installed with WarpUP by default? Do I need something else, like Ramlibemu from Aminet?
4) Perhaps CyberGraphX installs some PowerUP-stuff that I shouldnt want? I read that somewhere.
5) Warp3D is not working the way it should either. Wipeout 2097 runs way too slow and its graphics dont look that great (the lensflares especially)
6) Can someone tell me the difference between powerpc.library and ppc.library? Is one installed in the Flash of the PPC board?
7) What else do I need to know?
Its funny. Back in 1998 I had a often-used 'unofficial powerpc support website' (and now that I think of it, also a large mailinglist), but nowadays I dont remember a thing..
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Im having problems installing WarpOS. Its not terminating PowerUP properly
IIRC, even H&P recommended not to use the termination feature of WarpOS. The recommended way is using BPPCFix:
http://pb-owl.de/~frank/BPPCFix.lha
copy the bppcfix executable to C: and then add the following line to Startup-Sequence (before setpatch):
C:BPPCFix INSTALL REBOOT >NIL:
or (if you have 3.9 and Setpatch resets the machine anyway):
C:BPPCFix INSTALL >NIL:
Make sure the ENV variable "powerpc/terminator" (or something like that, can't remember) is not set, then reboot. Now you could install WarpOS (but the fact that you can run WipeOut 2097 means that WarpOS already works):
http://aminet.net/search?query=warpup_v
That's all you need to install for now. No Emulations, no compatible versions, no nothing. That (+Warp3D) is what you need to get WipeOut running. If you have installed anything else, remove it again. Once WipeOut and the OS 3.9 picture datatype (which uses the PowerPC for rescaling pictures, IIRC) work fine, you can install other stuff.
As you seem to have some of the names mixed up:
ppc.library = PowerUp = original solution from Phase5 = stored in ROM = useless these days
powerpc.library = WarpUp = WarpOS = replacement from H&P = the thing you want to use
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fantastic reply cgutjahr. just what I needed. I guess this bppcfix thing came just after my ppc board blew up. I will try this tomorrow and reinstall my amiga (for the 20th time this month) just to be sure. I will then install warpup 5.1 with the v14 library, like youre suggesting.
I do have a few more questions for you or someone else to answer..
is picture.datatype using powerup or warpup?
could my shaky setup cause the wrong rendering of warp3d software like wipeout?
is cybergraphx using any ppc drivers or libraries?
how can I check what flashupdate Im running?
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is picture.datatype using powerup or warpup?
As OS 3.5/3.9 was done by H&P (the authors of WarpUp) the picture datatype uses WarpUp. Pretty much anything released after 1998 supports WarpUp, as PowerUp had lost the war by then.
is cybergraphx using any ppc drivers or libraries?
First of all: BPPCFix kills the ppc.library, i.e. it removes PowerUp from your system. You can't run any PowerUp software anymore (unless you install the PowerUp emulation, but that's another story), so you don't need to be worried about PowerUp software messing up your system.
There was a CybergraphX update containing some PowerUp code, but it was a stupid idea anyway and got dropped again later on.
could my shaky setup cause the wrong rendering of warp3d software like wipeout?
No.
how can I check what flashupdate Im running?
You don't need to be concerned about Flash ROM updates, your system works.
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ppc.library = PowerUp = original solution from Phase5 = stored in ROM = useless these days
powerpc.library = WarpUp = WarpOS = replacement from H&P = the thing you want to use
As OS 3.5/3.9 was done by H&P (the authors of WarpUp) the picture datatype uses WarpUp. Pretty much anything released after 1998 supports WarpUp, as PowerUp had lost the war by then.
Another sad story. WarpOS had nothing better to offer. Only heavy propaganda and lies allowed it to become a "standard". A real shame, and the lesson wasn't even learned.
I still remember how fastquake for PowerUP beats the WarpOS quake ports, even though WarpOS was supposed to have much faster context switches, while it was obviously totally wrong.
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Another sad story. WarpOS had nothing better to offer. Only heavy propaganda and lies allowed it to become a "standard". A real shame, and the lesson wasn't even learned.
Yep, all it did was drive the only Amiga PowerPC manufacturer out of business. But then, this is the Amiga market and egos always end up f**king up a perfectly good product.
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Is there anywhere we can read up about this?? I remember all the debate but would love to read about it now that i'm older and wiser.
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Quite a bit is covered here (http://www.haage-partner.de/amiga/storm/wu_ph_e.htm).
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Quite a bit is covered here (http://www.haage-partner.de/amiga/storm/wu_ph_e.htm).
And more is covered here (http://www.sintonen.fi/bppcflash.txt).
WarpUP was abandoned later on (obviously because everyone could see it was such a mess to begin with, and no way could be used for any basis of future AmigaOS. Also, for some incomprehensible reason it was mostly written in assembler, thus make it quite impossible to work with). It was never used as any base for future AmigaOS.
On the other hand the concepts and ideas of PowerUP (as laid out in ppc.library) were used as basis when designing MorphOS. The very first MorphOS releases could run old PowerUP apps transparently.
Haage&Partner did more damage than many of you can imagine. In addition to bringing forth WarpUP and concepts within, the also:
- Released AmigaOS 3.5 without promised TCP/IP stack (still advertised to have one! (http://www.haage-partner.de/amiga/aos35/aos35-e.htm))
- Stole AmiTCP/IP (http://www.amigau.com/aig/amitcp392.txt) for AmigaOS 3.9
- Mauled Amithlon (http://www.amithlon.net/en/amithlon_statement.txt)
Interestingly Haage&Partner's license to develop and distribute AmigaOS is considered "terminated" (page 40 (http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/147/1.pdf)).
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First of all: BPPCFix kills the ppc.library, i.e. it removes PowerUp from your system. You can't run any PowerUp software anymore (unless you install the PowerUp emulation, but that's another story)
Wait. You mean by using BPPCFix I wont be able to run PowerUP software under emulation either? Sorry, but I really want to do jus that. Is this installed by the WarpUP package and do I now select the compatible version or the lastest version during install? Sorry for not being clear enough.
You don't need to be concerned about Flash ROM updates, your system works.
Barely! but it does, true.. However, I recall there was some flashupdate that removed parts of ppc.library allowing for better emulation or something like that. Like I said, its many years ago for me.
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Wait. You mean by using BPPCFix I wont be able to run PowerUP software under emulation either? Sorry, but I really want to do jus that. Is this installed by the WarpUP package and do I now select the compatible version or the lastest version during install? Sorry for not being clear enough.
You can, main thing is to just copy the emulation library (ppc.library) to Libs:
There's an installer and documentation in the package - to do a setenv and bppcfix.
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kkthx. will try this out tonight.
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When I hadan Amiga1200, I used OS3.9, blizkick and with it the BPPCFix module (and the scsi.device from PowerFlyer). I had the latest warpup, and the emulated ppc.library. One of the latest library was buggy so I was using the older one. Nearly every old thing worked properly. And all new things worked too.
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And more is covered here (http://www.sintonen.fi/bppcflash.txt).
WarpUP was abandoned later on (obviously because everyone could see it was such a mess to begin with, and no way could be used for any basis of future AmigaOS. Also, for some incomprehensible reason it was mostly written in assembler, thus make it quite impossible to work with). It was never used as any base for future AmigaOS.
On the other hand the concepts and ideas of PowerUP (as laid out in ppc.library) were used as basis when designing MorphOS. The very first MorphOS releases could run old PowerUP apps transparently.
Haage&Partner did more damage than many of you can imagine. In addition to bringing forth WarpUP and concepts within, the also:
- Released AmigaOS 3.5 without promised TCP/IP stack (still advertised to have one! (http://www.haage-partner.de/amiga/aos35/aos35-e.htm))
- Stole AmiTCP/IP (http://www.amigau.com/aig/amitcp392.txt) for AmigaOS 3.9
- Mauled Amithlon (http://www.amithlon.net/en/amithlon_statement.txt)
Interestingly Haage&Partner's license to develop and distribute AmigaOS is considered "terminated" (page 40 (http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/147/1.pdf)).
@Piru: what you say here is very interesting. I (and i think many "middle-entry" Amiga users) always had the impression that WarpUp whas THE choice, the path to go, and that PowerUP was poorly and badly written, with less compatibility, more issues, etc etc
I think all mags in that era were also "fascinated" by Warp Up, and since in that times i had no Internet, my only source of information about Amiga were the Amiga mags (mostly british).
Now, after reading all this, i feel like breaking a "myth" that surrounded all this WarpUp vs. PowerUp thing...
I remember many moons ago, first time i installed PowerUp, i inmediately changed and installed WarpUp with PowerUp emulation...i wanted to try Wipeout2097 so so badly...never ever got trough main screen tough.
Never tried that again, and i switched back to "Classic Amiga with no PPC".
Later on, some ready-to-go packages did all what was difficult, easy so..i never tried all that stuff again (A real pity, since i own all PPC Amiga games that were released during that time and later). But, imagine, i had so so much trouble setting up T-Zero to play correctly in my machine...you can imagine what kind of Amiga user i am.. :lol:
Thanks for all the info and clarification
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Wait. You mean by using BPPCFix I wont be able to run PowerUP software under emulation either?
No, that's the exact opposite of what I said. You can't run PowerUp software initially, but right now you should be concerned about setting WarpUp properly. You can install PowerUp emulation later on, once your other problems are solved.
kkthx. will try this out tonight.
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do I now select the compatible version or the lastest version during install?
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I recall there was some flashupdate that removed parts of ppc.library allowing...
Don't do any of this. Do exactly what I told you in my first post - and nothing else. Then report back about any problems you encountered.
I thought you were joking about your "20th reinstall this month", but I'm starting to believe you were sincere.
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I remember many moons ago, first time i installed PowerUp, i inmediately changed and installed WarpUp with PowerUp emulation...i wanted to try Wipeout2097 so so badly...never ever got trough main screen tough.
While WO2097 actually did run on my old PowerUp setup (do you have the latest CGX for 68k?) it never was fast enough. Only when I switched to MorphOS on that maschine it finally ran conveniently fast without major problems (requires a special loader though). Played it later on on my Pegasos quite a lot, should dig out te CD and install it on my Mac mini...
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I thought you were joking about your "20th reinstall this month", but I'm starting to believe you were sincere.
Lol, I think you've missed my previous posts in the hardware topic. Im a returning Amiga user since the beginning of this month. last time I touched an Amiga was in 2001 or something. So pelase forgive me of any mistakes Im making :)
I bought all the hardware in my signature altogether and am now trying to get everything working together as it should. Its also the first time Im using OS3.9 / OS4.0, so ive still got some catching-up to do. if this wasnt apparent from my post, I think Im doing quite well actually ;)
As for the reinstalls, thats okay. I'll keep reinstalling (which takes only 15 minutes in total anyway) until Ive got everything working just the way I want to. And that is the hardest part. its not the easiest hardware/software config to get right.
Thanks for your help. Hope to have some time tonight to try out things.
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So pelase forgive me of any mistakes Im making :)
I'm not concerned about your mistakes (I'm the world's biggest expert on making mistakes when dealing with computers), I'm concerned about your approach.
All the information you need for now is in my first post. You can of course continue to do 20 things at the same time, reflash the BlizzardPPC, install some extremely outdated and useless 'compatible v7' version of WarpUp or make your life a misery because you want to run PowerUp software right now, even if you don't know any PowerUp software - or you could just follow the step by step instruction above ;)
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or you could just follow the step by step instruction above ;)
I will. Obviously a misunderstanding/misread on my side.
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First of all: BPPCFix kills the ppc.library, i.e. it removes PowerUp from your system. You can't run any PowerUp software anymore (unless you install the PowerUp emulation, but that's another story), so you don't need to be worried about PowerUp software messing up your system.
Well, you can try to run powerup programs with runelf.
x303 :D :D :D
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Once WipeOut and the OS 3.9 picture datatype (which uses the PowerPC for rescaling pictures, IIRC) work fine, you can install other stuff.
Okay, I installed everything again and this time it worked. Workbench backdrop loaded, wipeout runs, no termination requesters. Thanks!
HOWEVER....
please compare these 2 pictures:
(http://www.vanooij.nl/FILES/wipes.jpg)
above is how it looks on my machine, below is a screengrab taken from this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1OkvNlBXgE
on youtube.
compare the lensflares.. Im missing something! The lighing looks completely dull in the game aswell.
could be something simple, but I dont know what it is.. any ideas?
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@rvo_nl
install MorphOS and run both WarpOS and PowerUp apps/games without problems :-)
compare the lensflares.. Im missing something! The lighing looks completely dull in the game aswell.
could be something simple, but I dont know what it is.. any ideas?
Have you installed latest Warp3D drivers?
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Latest Warp3d is what has broken Wipeout. Some changes were made in newer warp3d drivers to make voodoo cards work. Something todo with alpha bending if I remember right. Its sort of emulated/aproximated on the bvision. I imagine the game could have been recompiled/fixed, but the devs just dropped dead after the game was released.
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Hated WarpOS for f-ing up the whole thing and confusing the whole situation. Only thing it did for me is crash my computer and make me drink more.:drink:
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Latest Warp3d is what has broken Wipeout. Some changes were made in newer warp3d drivers to make voodoo cards work. Something todo with alpha bending if I remember right. Its sort of emulated/aproximated on the bvision. I imagine the game could have been recompiled/fixed, but the devs just dropped dead after the game was released.
I thought of that but I wouldnt believe it. That is so totally against the philosophy of sotfware updates! Do you know what version of warp3d is the latest that 'worked' ?
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I thought of that but I wouldnt believe it. That is so totally against the philosophy of sotfware updates! Do you know what version of warp3d is the latest that 'worked' ?
You wouldn't believe the bugs and mess that was found inside and surrounding Warp3D. Suffice to say, the problems related to Warp3D is the best testament to the code/driver quality. Even the Warp3D examples themselves do countless "illegal" things, such as poking internal Warp3D structures.
Some interesting notes can be found from Goa3D Graphics Library (http://www.biclodon.com/software/goa/) page.
Plans regarding W3D future have changed considerable over the years. Here are some snippets:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2001-05-00286-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2001-11-00209-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2002-09-00214-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2003-11-00058-EN.html
etc.
Interestingly Warp3D was already declared "semi-dead" in 2005 by the developers (post #29 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=14540&forum=15&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#207582)) in favor of Mesa. It looks like as if MiniGL would be dead (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26050&forum=32&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#440162) as well.
For 68k the story is even sadder though: You're unlikely to see any more updates to Warp3D. Basically you're left on your own to find out how to get the setup as stable as possible.
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@ Piru: As much as I understand your opinion, or those of the GOA/MorphOS team, I just want to get a stable system up & running. There's been so many of these 'battles' in the history of Amiga, its ridicolous. Interesting read, sure! But I just dont want to dive too much into it. Im just a user, its spoiling my fun ;)
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@ Piru: As much as I understand your opinion, or those of the GOA/MorphOS team, I just want to get a stable system up & running. There's been so many of these 'battles' in the history of Amiga, its ridicolous. Interesting read, sure! But I just dont want to dive too much into it. Im just a user, its spoiling my fun ;)
There is no such thing as a stable Amiga with PPC ;) All you get is a headache. My advise to you is to get a Mac Mini with MOS or SAM with AOS and leave the classic Amiga as 68k.
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I thought of that but I wouldnt believe it. That is so totally against the philosophy of sotfware updates! Do you know what version of warp3d is the latest that 'worked' ?
I dont remember for sure, but I think Warp3D v4.0 is on the game disc. Sure bet that that will work.
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@ Piru: As much as I understand your opinion, or those of the GOA/MorphOS team, I just want to get a stable system up & running. There's been so many of these 'battles' in the history of Amiga, its ridicolous. Interesting read, sure! But I just dont want to dive too much into it. Im just a user, its spoiling my fun ;)
Use MorphOS 1.4.5. It's free, it's the fastest Classic PPC OS and allows you to run both WarpOS and PowerUp apps without problems.
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uh!Crumb ... i smell a new thread coming ;)
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Use MorphOS 1.4.5. It's free, it's the fastest Classic PPC OS and allows you to run both WarpOS and PowerUp apps without problems.
Small usable base of users though. Only works with big box amigas sporting CSPPC and certain graphic cards, or 1200 and BPPC and grex. Come to think of it classic amigas with PPC are nearly extinct already. :confused:
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everyone with a PPC equipped classic Amiga, should at least try it (beeing Morphos or AmigaOS4 for classic). There are still plenty around
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Small usable base of users though. Only works with big box amigas sporting CSPPC and certain graphic cards, or 1200 and BPPC and grex. Come to think of it classic amigas with PPC are nearly extinct already. :confused:
Luckily the OP has the required hw, the problem would be with registration.
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There is no such thing as a stable Amiga with PPC ;) All you get is a headache. My advise to you is to get a Mac Mini with MOS or SAM with AOS and leave the classic Amiga as 68k.
that is nonsense. back in the days my ppc setup was extremely stable. its just a lot of effort, but thats part of the fun, strangely enough.
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Use MorphOS 1.4.5.
no. :)
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everyone with a PPC equipped classic Amiga, should at least try it (beeing Morphos or AmigaOS4 for classic). There are still plenty around
I have amigaOS4, will install that later.
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I dont remember for sure, but I think Warp3D v4.0 is on the game disc. Sure bet that that will work.
Trying out some things now.
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the problem is now solved using warp3d 4.0. 4.2 is the one I was using before. thanks all, for your help.
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There is no such thing as a stable Amiga with PPC ;) All you get is a headache. My advise to you is to get a Mac Mini with MOS or SAM with AOS and leave the classic Amiga as 68k.
I disagree !!! My system is pretty stable.
x303 :D :D :D
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I do have one last question (before I open a thread about my next issue ;) which is: I still cant get dragging to work. I have installed cybergraphx 4.3 the way it should, but the dragging tooltype remains ghosted in cyperbraphx prefs, no matter what I try. any idea on this one?
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AFAIK there's no dragging with CVPPC/BVision.
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the problem is now solved using warp3d 4.0. 4.2 is the one I was using before. thanks all, for your help.
I will be setting up two A4000 CSPPC systems with new hard drives and clean installs in the next week or two. Would you have the time to write down the steps you went through to get your setup the way you want it with the PPC working as good as it can? Just a short guide of what steps should be taken and pitfalls to avoid would be much appreciated and could possibly be moved to one of the guides or Amiga wiki sites for future users too.
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GCX supports dragging only with a very limited set of gfx cards (they're listed in the docs, IIRC), the BVision is not one of them.
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Conclusion
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There are no anti-WOS routines in Blizzard PPC flashrom.
There are just bugs in WarpUP and Warp3D and other libraries.
ppc.library install patch to dos/LoadSeg() function that does
OpenLibrary("ppc.library", x) and does not test for failure.
Seems like there were bugs in PUP as well... ;)
malloc() can return NULL... so can OpenLibrary()...
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Conclusion
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There are no anti-WOS routines in Blizzard PPC flashrom.
There are just bugs in WarpUP and Warp3D and other libraries.
ppc.library install patch to dos/LoadSeg() function that does
OpenLibrary("ppc.library", x) and does not test for failure.
Seems like there were bugs in PUP as well...
malloc() can return NULL... so can OpenLibrary()...
As I already explain in the document, in this case OpenLibrary() cannot fail. Apparently you missed it, so let me try to explain in in more detail.
ppc.library LIB_OPEN does (roughly):
struct Library *lib_open(...)
{
LibBase->lib.lib_OpenCnt++;
return &LibBase->lib;
}
Also, the ppc.library LIB_EXPUNGE does:
BPTR lib_expunge(...)
{
return 0;
}
This means that once ppc.library is in memory it
1) cannot be removed
2) OpenLibrary("ppc.library", 0) cannot fail
This in turn means that it is perfectly legal to perform PPCBase = OpenLibrary("ppc.library", 0); inside the library code and expect it to succeed. The library code in question cannot be executing in the first place unless if the library is in memory already.
No bug there. I'm not saying ppc.library would have been 100% bug free, but this is NOT one of the bugs.
The problems only can appear when someone does something as stupid is forcibly remove the library from memory. WarpUP did exactly this. Doing hacks like this can only lead to trouble. The obvious (and 100% system legal) way to handle this is to add a replacement resident tag for the ppc.library which overrides the original library, making sure it never even gets loaded. This is what bppcfix application does. WarpUP coders themselves were just unable to figure such a basic thing out, but instead resorted to unreliable hacks.
When those hacks failed who did they blame? The ppc.library authors.
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The ultimate question to all these things would be: Why?
For me when I first bought my BPPC, (BVision was not around by that time I think) PPC programs were unstable, most of them seemed to run very fast but with constant occational pauses which was irritating. ( like one movie player and some unarchivers) When warpos was released performance dropped a little but the pauses went away. This is what I remember about Powerup vs Warpup. I was happy about warpup.
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The ultimate question to all these things would be: Why?
Indeed. PowerUP was perfectly fine (and I don't remember any pauses with it, although I missed the very first versions).
WarpOS didn't provide any real advantage over PowerUP either. It was remarkably similar, only designed badly and implemented shoddily. Any grand ideas Haage&Partner might have had about using WarpOS has a base of a new PPC AmigaOS were just plain laughable. Unfortunately their FUD campaign was quite effective. Some of it can be seen here (http://biclodon.com/misc/amigafarm/magicsn/).
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The ultimate question to all these things would be: Why?
For me when I first bought my BPPC, (BVision was not around by that time I think) PPC programs were unstable, most of them seemed to run very fast but with constant occational pauses which was irritating. ( like one movie player and some unarchivers) When warpos was released performance dropped a little but the pauses went away. This is what I remember about Powerup vs Warpup. I was happy about warpup.
It was different for us CSPPC users; PowerUP was exceptionally stable. Then WarpOS came out with their claims and their software and things just got worse.
Not long after I gave up on the Amiga; I stopped my native PowerUP AROS port and packed everything away.
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Unfortunately their FUD campaign was quite effective. Some of it can be seen here (http://biclodon.com/misc/amigafarm/magicsn/).
Oh the memories!
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GCX supports dragging only with a very limited set of gfx cards (they're listed in the docs, IIRC), the BVision is not one of them.
I am really surprised by this. During the years I had no PPC, I always thought I could drag screens on my old setup. Perhaps using some third-party hack? I will look around. Thanks for your answers.
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Would you have the time to write down the steps you went through to get your setup the way you want it with the PPC working as good as it can?
PM sent
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@rvo_nl
saddly, Cgx can't drag screens with BVision. Which is a shame as P96 under OS4 does that happily. Too bad P96 for BVisionPPC was never materialized under OS3.x :/ Not that Cgx is bad, it has some nice features by itself.
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@rvo_nl
saddly, Cgx can't drag screens with BVision. Which is a shame as P96 under OS4 does that happily. Too bad P96 for BVisionPPC was never materialized under OS3.x :/ Not that Cgx is bad, it has some nice features by itself.
must have mixed up some things in my mind during the years. thanks for confirming.
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Not to hijack the thread, small question to the PPC experts ;-)
I have finally managed to get a proper install of OS3.9 running on my Amiga 4000 with Cyberstorm PPC card. Now this installed WarpOS PowerPC support, as it came bundled. I'd like to develop some small programs to play around, nothing fancy and build them for 68060 as well as PowerPC.
1) Can I do development of PowerPC apps with SAS/C ? I have the latest version (legal :) !).
2) Should I ditch WarpOS from the system and install the PowerUp! libraries instead? As far as I have been able to deduct from the threads here PowerUp! is really really dead versus Warp which is just dead...
Thanks for any insight provided...
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you can install WarpOS and then download Frank Wille ppclibemu (http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/ppclibemu) from Aminet and you will get both ppc versions support up and running
If you get troubles with the latest powerpc.library 16.1, download this powerpc.library 16.1.beta1 (http://devnull.owl.de/~frank/powerpc_V16_1beta.lha)
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Not to hijack the thread, small question to the PPC experts ;-)
1) Can I do development of PowerPC apps with SAS/C ? I have the latest version (legal :) !).
There was a SAS/C 7 for PowerUP. It wasn't widely circulated, I think.
There is no support for WarpOS in it.
2) Should I ditch WarpOS from the system and install the PowerUp! libraries instead?
From purely technical point of view: Yes.
From practical point of view: No (most software is for WOS, unfortunately)
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From purely technical point of view: Yes.
From practical point of view: No (most software is for WOS, unfortunately)
I'm looking into starting development for the Amiga as a hobby coder.
Should I write ppc.library software and make sure it runs under WOS PPC lib emmulation, or does it not matter (from a practical point of view) anymore?
Sorry for the slightly off topic question.
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Small usable base of users though. Only works with big box amigas sporting CSPPC and certain graphic cards, or 1200 and BPPC and grex. Come to think of it classic amigas with PPC are nearly extinct already. :confused:
MorphOS 1.4.5 also works on A1200 with Zorro slots. PicassoIV and CV3D should work flawlessly.
@arnljot
WarpOS apps should work in both OS4/MorphOS but on real WarpOS you'll have to try to avoid context changes.
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MorphOS 1.4.5 also works on A1200 with Zorro slots. PicassoIV and CV3D should work flawlessly.
I know that, I wish there would have been support for mediator though.
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There was a SAS/C 7 for PowerUP. It wasn't widely circulated, I think.
There is no support for WarpOS in it.
Could not quickly find understandable information on SAS/C 7 but I found the following, http://www.warped.com/amiga/
I think I will give it a try ;-)