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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: gertsy on December 07, 2009, 12:10:59 PM
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Hi, I need some help with my Picasso II+ board in my A4000.
I’ve moved it from my A2000 to my A4000 so I know it’s working fine.
I’ve installed the board and ShowConfig says its there: Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12
I’ve Installed Picasso96 and the Picasso monitor driver is in DEVS:monitors but no modes are available.
If I run Debug it comes up “No Board”
If I run Picasso96 as suggested in the guide I cannot attach a mode setting to the device as it comes up “No Board” in the menu.
Something simple I’m sure,but its about 6 years since I last did this on an A2000, as well as me being tired and going to bed now.
Help appreciated.
Cheers.
Gertsy.
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Since no one has responded, I'll offer a very lame reply.
I had this very same problem (Picasso96 not recognizing a newly installed Picasso II board) about 5 years ago. I don't remember the solution, but there is one, mine works. I should have recorded it somewhere.
It might have been something like: "move all exotic drivers (Super72, bdlNTSC, etc) except the essential video drivers (NTSC, Pal, PicassoII) from DEVS:Monitors/ back to SYS:Storage/Monitors and then reboot". This seems right.
Some one here knows, they helped me through this. Grin.,
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Seems like you need to have a talk with Picasso96Mode first.
Somewhere in the menu is an option something like 'Attach to board'. I don't remember exactly right now. Then save and reboot.
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Seems like you need to have a talk with Picasso96Mode first.
Somewhere in the menu is an option something like 'Attach to board'. I don't remember exactly right now. Then save and reboot.
This solved my problem once upon a time.
Setting up RTG cards can be a real drag.
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I believe that's an essential step, maybe that will do it for him.
My problem was deeper and more frustrating than that. I read the manual. When I selected "Attach to Board", the system would respond "Board not found!".
IIRC, there was something gluing my system exclusively to motherboard graphics when the OS came up. I vaguely remember an incompatibility of Picasso II with the Super, the Euro, and the Dbl video drivers. It seems that after I removed them, the system recognized the Picasso II.
My two cents.
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Hi, I need some help with my Picasso II+ board in my A4000.
I’ve moved it from my A2000 to my A4000 so I know it’s working fine.
I’ve installed the board and ShowConfig says its there: Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12
I’ve Installed Picasso96 and the Picasso monitor driver is in DEVS:monitors but no modes are available.
If I run Debug it comes up “No Board”
If I run Picasso96 as suggested in the guide I cannot attach a mode setting to the device as it comes up “No Board” in the menu.
Something simple I’m sure,but its about 6 years since I last did this on an A2000, as well as me being tired and going to bed now.
Help appreciated.
Cheers.
Gertsy.
Try it in another Zorro slot, in fact, keep trying it in every Zorro slot you have until you have tested it in every Zorro slot you have and confirmed that it behaves the same in all of them.
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Thanks all for the replies.
It's good to see I'm still in tune with the Amiga, but it's also bad in some respect. As all the offers of help I have tried already.
Like I said, I have done this a long time ago and I feel it is something simple. Those gotchas that you quickly forget as they are so obvious once you get them.
I've swapped zorro. but the fact that "ShowConfig" sees the board fine tells me that it's not an autoconfig problem.
I've removed everything out of DEVS/MONITORS but for PAL. Picasso and Powerfb have been put in by the install.
Picasso96Mode won't do as the "Attach Setting to" Menu option comes up "No Board"
My guess; that is because it needs the device driver at the OS level.
The Picasso debug can't see the card either.
There's not a jumper I need to set for the 4000 vs the 2000? I know it's a zorro 2 24bit card and not zorro 3 32 bit.
I've had a nice xmas dinner tonight so i'm not in the right frame for more investigation.
Suffice to say thank you all for the support so far.
Time is not a constraint. When it comes to Amigas.
Will get there.
cheers
Gertsy.
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Picasso and Powerfb
I never had a Powerfb in Devs:Monitors with any of my RTG card installs (CV64, PII, Spectrum,) just one file for the respective card.
Using the newest Picasso96 driver on Aminet?
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Just did a reinstall of my Amiga 4000 using a disk from:
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/picasso2#s_picasso2
probably the 2.4, can't remember. Selected "Novice Install" - worked out of the box on my PicassoIV.
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Tried the original Picasso II+ install. Tried the latest Picasso96 drivers. Did all the necessary removing of LIBs and DEVS/MONITORS files in between.
Begining to think there is something sus with the OS as SYSCONFIG can see the card fine but PICASSO96MODE and DEBUG/CHECKBOARDS cannot.
Card works fine when I plug it back into my A2000.
Maybe my Zorro riser is stuffed..? Very unlikely for a fairly passive backplane.
I hate doing OS reinstalls. But that is the next choice.
Hmmmmm
Gertsy.
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you wrote:
"I’ve installed the board and ShowConfig says its there: Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12"
Is this the only entry starting with 2167 ? The board should have two entries in memory mapped mode as far as I remember.
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you wrote:
" Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12"
resource.cx says even: 2167 / 11,12,13
Don't remember - should launch my 500T to check - haven't done it in 2-3 years :huh:
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Hi all,
@MastaTabs: I have no idea what you mean by "memory mapped mode"
@zipper: Full line in ShowConfig is:
Boards:
Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12($877/$C) (@$E90000 64K)
So in this case 12 is obviously the active config ID.
There are 3 jumpers on the board that I have not touched and work on the A2000:
JP301 (Comp Sync) and JP302 (DMPS feature) both are open. not enabled.
The other Jumper is JP401(Memory) 1-2=segmented. 2-3=1MB Linear. Open=2MB linear. This is open as I would expect.
@mousehouse: thanks for the help but this is a Picasso II+ and not a IV.
@tone007. Cheers, I have used the latest Picasso96 install from AMINET with the II+ driver.
Was it Einstein or Spock that said trying the same sequence and expecting a different result is madness or insanity. I'm suffering from that now.
Time for more drastic measures me thinks.
Cheers
Gertsy
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Do you have any other Zorro-II boards in your machine?
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Hi all,
@MastaTabs: I have no idea what you mean by "memory mapped mode"
@zipper: Full line in ShowConfig is:
Boards:
Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12($877/$C) (@$E90000 64K)
Gertsy
Memory mapped = segmented I think.
that 64k is the driver part or whatsit called; it should also show the memory part, 1 or 2 MB with a functioning card.
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No, memory mapped = linear.
Well, you can say everything is memory mapped in Amigaland, since there is no IO area which needs special treatment by the processor for being accessed. I just used the term for the linear mapping, since the segmented mode is somehow related to this IO stuff.
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on a second look E90000 is pretty far up in the ZII config space. This space is only used when the whole other address is already in use. I think there is no more room left for the frame buffer of the card.
Do you have any ZorroII memory cards installed ?
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Nup, Still not sure what you're saying Mastatabs. Linear=contiguous, segmented=uncontiguous is my understanding. There are no other cards on the zorro bus.
Anyone with a Picasso 2+ on their A4000? I'm looking for help...
Gertsy
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Forget it then. Its no matter then. Your understanding is correct anyway.
Could you provide us with a complete ShowConfig output of your machine ?
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Hi, thanks again for the help. There are no other cards or boards installed.
The only output for Showconfig is what ive pasted.
Boards:
Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12($877/$C) (@$E90000 64K)
Should Showconfig be listing the 2MB of memory on the Picasso II+ ? Cos it 'aint. I'll put it back in my 2000 and see what showconfig says there.
cheers,
Gertsy.
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I'd put it back in the 2000 just to make sure something did't go "pop" when you moved it. Been know to happen with these old boards. Sorry I can be of more help, just sold my Picasso II+.
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Hi, thanks again for the help. There are no other cards or boards installed.
The only output for Showconfig is what ive pasted.
Boards:
Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12($877/$C) (@$E90000 64K)
Should Showconfig be listing the 2MB of memory on the Picasso II+ ? Cos it 'aint. I'll put it back in my 2000 and see what showconfig says there.
cheers,
Gertsy.
It looks like you are running out of ZII memory space (8MB max).
Are you sure you do not have an 8MB memory expansion or an accelerator board like a GVP A3001 with 8MB installed ?
If it is the case, you have to sacrifice 2MB for your picasso II.
Regards,
Frederic
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did you move the drivers to the monitor drawer?
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Ok do any Z2 cards work in any of the Zslots in the A3k?
Rich
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Hi, thanks again for the help. There are no other cards or boards installed.
The only output for Showconfig is what ive pasted.
Boards:
Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12($877/$C) (@$E90000 64K)
Should Showconfig be listing the 2MB of memory on the Picasso II+ ? Cos it 'aint. I'll put it back in my 2000 and see what showconfig says there.
cheers,
Gertsy.
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Hi, I need some help with my Picasso II+ board in my A4000.
I’ve moved it from my A2000 to my A4000 so I know it’s working fine.
I’ve installed the board and ShowConfig says its there: Board (Village Tronic): Prod=2167/12
I’ve Installed Picasso96 and the Picasso monitor driver is in DEVS:monitors but no modes are available.
If I run Debug it comes up “No Board”
If I run Picasso96 as suggested in the guide I cannot attach a mode setting to the device as it comes up “No Board” in the menu.
Something simple I’m sure,but its about 6 years since I last did this on an A2000, as well as me being tired and going to bed now.
Help appreciated.
Cheers.
Gertsy.
Hi,
@gertsy
Do you have the special plug that comes from the back of the Amiga 23 pin connector that goes to the Picasso II board. The plug should feed in from the Amiga 23 pic connector to the Picasso II boards inner plug, the VGA plug should go to the outer plug on the Picasso II board. If you did this then try redoing Picasso 96.\
Remember the Picasso II board needed a video input from another board, I am using a GVP IV24 board to feed my video input.
smerf
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Hi all, an update on this.
After Xmas I finally got the card back into my A2000. It works fine.
So back in my A4000 I've put a wait in my startup and noticed the following error:
Picasso96: could not create graphics board context for 'Picasso II'
Please check your Picasso96 installation.
I have a Buddah Flash working fine but I'm begininng to think I may have a problem with the MB or the Riser.
Any ideas on how to check it out ?
I've just purchased a Retina BLT Z3 and am worried I may not be able to use it in my A4000
Gertsy )o:
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Have you tried without the Buddha?
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Yep.
The card works perfectly in the A2000. OS 3.1.
I did a fresh OS install on the A4000 taking it back to OS 3.1 but the same issue.
The Showconfig should show 4 lines of text. It does on the A2000. On the A4000 I get only the first line of config. Now I understand what the guys were trying to tell me before.
Could it be an Autoconfig issue ? I remember reading somewhere once that the riser can get zapped by a bad card or jumper setting.
It's a pity if that's the case because the A4000 works flawlessly apart from that. All the Caps have nice shiny solder and the audio is fine. But then why the Buddah works I don't know. it certainly has very few tracks from the Zorro slot.
Will see how the new card goes. Fingers crossed.
Gertsy.
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Ohh dear. It's all bad. My new Retina BLT Z3 only works in my A4000 for a minute or 2.
On HDW installation and booting the Amiga 4000 is fine. But then Showconfig only shows the one line just like for my Picasso. Chills..
Installed the software fired up Wb emulation and everything came up fine, on a LCD too.
Within 1-2mins however the mouse pointer and machine froze. Power light blinking slightly.
Tried different slots same result with differing run times.
Re-seated all the chips on the card. which is everything but the NCR chip. Same result.
Power supply voltages are fine and it seems to run my Buddha and 3" 2Gb HD fine.
I am guessing it is not the card and probably my 4000. But as it’s a Zorro III card I cant try it in my 2000.
I'm feeling very vulnerable right now... Help.... )o:
PS: Forgot to mention once you reboot the A4000 the card has disappeared. You have to turn the A4K off and on to see it again..
Sad gertsy....
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JP301 (Comp Sync) and JP302 (DMPS feature) both are open. not enabled.
The other Jumper is JP401(Memory) 1-2=segmented. 2-3=1MB Linear. Open=2MB linear.
Which side is pin 1? I can't see any marks on the board...
Jen
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Pin 1 is on the left (re manual)
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...Looking the board which side?
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http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/picasso2plus,2
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I just have to say I love the electromechanical relays for passthrough mode on the Picasso II. *CLICK!*
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http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/picasso2plus,2
Ops... I have a simple Picasso II, not a + version...
Anyone knows which side is pin 1 on jumper JP401 of a Picasso II?
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Ops... I have a simple Picasso II, not a + version...
Anyone knows which side is pin 1 on jumper JP401 of a Picasso II?
At a guess pin 1 of the jumper block will be the first pin. The screening of the JP401 label should run in the same direction that the jumper sequence runs. No guarantees!
BTW: On topic, my A4000 riser does seem to be stuffed. Both cards work fine in slot one. You know how hard it is to get big cards in slot one... Anyone got a spare riser for sale..?
Gertsy.
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I'm just curious if this kind of aggravation is prevelant in most rtg cards. I never had one but I thought about buying a used one. Are they hit or miss or do most work without these hassles?
Just curious. Lucikly, aga and winuae picasso modes are good enough for me...
Steven
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Configuring RTG cards can definitely be a pain, but once it's all working it's pretty nice.
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At a guess pin 1 of the jumper block will be the first pin. The screening of the JP401 label should run in the same direction that the jumper sequence runs. No guarantees!
Gertsy.
I think so... The board works well with jumper in position 1-2, but in position 2-3 runs with a dirty screen and can't be used.
What does it mean?
I remember that there was a problem with the ZorroII of Amiga 3000, video boards and accelerator boards with extra ram: do I remember well?
I have a CyberStorm MKII with 48 MB ram...
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Is it possible to have 1024x768x26 bit non-interlace on Picasso II(+)? Picasso and EGS 28/24 Spectrum have the same chip and Spectrum can do it, why not Picasso?
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To close this one off. It was my A4000 Riser. New riser no problem.
Now to try and trace the problem with my old one.