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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Framiga on November 11, 2003, 11:34:02 AM
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Hi All,
i'm still using PFS3 18.5 from a life but in the last week, i'v downloaded SFS (and today downloaded and installed the lastversion 1.212).
I've done some intensive testings on the same HD with the internal A4000 IDE host interface.
So . . .SFS is terribly slow in:
Dir-Scan (less than last OS3.9 FFS)
Delete (the worst)
Seek/Reed
I've set 200 buffers for the SFS partition (PFS3 only 100)
Have i set something wrong?
Thanks
Cheers
PS-Benchmark tool= SysSpeed 2.6
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what blocksize do you use ? do you use the same to do the comparison ?
Lio
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@ lionstorm
512 the same as in PFS3.
Ciao
PS- note that SFS il slower ONLY in that 3 test comparision.
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I anyway prefer sfs over ffs because it supports big hardddrives > 4Go, does not get corrupted and is usefull in some hyperion games where lots of datas needs to be loaded.
Lio
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lionstorm wrote:
I anyway prefer sfs over ffs because it supports big hardddrives > 4Go, does not get corrupted and is usefull in some hyperion games where lots of datas needs to be loaded.
Lio
Yeah, but PFS3 does all that too.. This wasn't an FFS vs SFS contest, but a PFS3 vs SFS one. :-)
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Am I the only one who think "Not again!"?
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@Jope
i've installed SFS, due a problem with an app that i'm testing.
With PFS3 i have some corrupted blocks and other strange behaviours (very strange for PFS3) so i've switched (for only one partition), to SFS lastversion.
SFS seems very slow in the Delete operation.
Anyway a very good replacment for PFS3.
Ciao
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SFS seems very slow in the Delete operation.
With pfs3 it dont delete whatever you want to delete until you need the hardrive space, the aplication or game was taking it marks it as deleted and frees the space but only deletes when the space is needed by new software. :-)
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Newer SFS versions are terrilby slow.
Some older Version were much faster, I think 1.85 or something.
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by Wishmaster on 2003/11/12 14:49:12
Newer SFS versions are terrilby slow.
Some older Version were much faster, I think 1.85 or something.
yes i agree but just a little :-)
Before installing the last SFS 1.212, i've tested SFS 1.193 (OS3.9 CD) but the speed is quite the same.
I don't know about SFS 1.85.(seems a very old version)
Ciao
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blocksize SHOULD always be 1024 !!!!!
anyway latest sfs is fast here , i get seek times under 100 and i get speeds upto 8.9 megs per sec on my olllld amiga 1200 with ppc + scsi.
but yes pfs3 is faster but also more intensive to the cpu..
anyway fix the blocksize and hehe btw in pfs docs it says 1024 block size! not 512 ...
good luck!
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@Lempkee
with my 040@30mhz and the internal A4000 IDE port?
Already tryed in the past, but with no speed increase.
Ciao
PS- now with PFS3 i have near 9 times speed more than a plain 040@25Mhz with FFS (in Create operation)
PPS- From the docs: suggested blocksize for PFS3=512K . . .use 1024 only with fast and modern SCSI HD.
For SFS . . .quite the same.
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This is all very well but how the HELL do i get SFS up and running? I have wiped out all of my Hard Drive and got rid of FFS cos people recommened SFS and when i try to get SFS installed and usable then people don't bother replying when i am in trouble!!! I am so tempted to go back to FFS, the HD may have been ####ted up, but at least it was half working.
(and yes i am angry)
@lempkee
I have read the SFS docs and it is to my knowledge that 512k blocksize is used and not 1024.
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Hi CU_AMiGA
OK . . .relax . . .sit down . . .drink a camomilla :-)
You have done the right thimg. SFS is more reliable and . . . .it is free!
I was talking about speed not reliability.
Stay with SFS without any problem :-)
Ciao
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You install SFS the same way you do with FFS.
In HDToolsbox you add it to the RDB. Give it a name like 0x53465300
Then select it in the Partition Settings window.
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@ Wishmaster
no, no, no please don't give wrong suggestion please!
@CU_AMIGA
follow the SFS docs that is better :-D
Ciao
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The problem is that the HDToolsbox doesn't seem to save half the settings. It save the custom file system bit (where smartfilesystem would be) but the rest of the settings won't have it, and all hell breaks loose, meaning it won't save them. But i will have another go at it tonight. Maybe listening to Red Hot Chilli Peppers will inspire me and calm my nerves down.
Incidently, what are the improtant settings that need to be saved? Thanks for the replies by the way. I didn't mean to sound rude just a little bit frustrated that i seem to get problem after problem it seems like for me at the moment. I just wan't a system that is rock solid, like it was in the first half of the year.
Regards,
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The docs only say what settings you need to put down. I understand this, but i tried it and it lokked alright, including the Max tranfer, but the bugger will not save at all. Am i missing something? Do i need another tool? It says i need to edit the RDB, is this actually done in HDToolBox? How would i know when SFS is actually working?
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Well 1024 blocksize is a must with FFS, and a massive speedboost once applied. The docs for pfs and sfs do however say there Optimised for best performance with a 512 block size.
I stick with FFS though since its faster/more relighable/compatable on my 040/25. quite an annoyance to be pesterd with sfs requestors on boot saying some blocks are in the wrong place or bad. FFS hasnt given me such problems.
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Hi CU_AMiGA
so tell me:
HDToolbox version (OS39 BB-2) should be 45.6
SFS version (it is important)
IDE or SCSI HD? and size.
Ciao
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HDToolBox version is default version, or the one from the Amiga OS 3.9 CD.
I use a 30gig IDE Hard Drive, i also have a Power Flyer installed.
I used the version from this website:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hjohn/SFS/download.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/~hjohn/SFS/download.htm)
Not sure what version it is, i think its BETA, v1.58. Is this version good?
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Hi CU_AMIGA
it is a four years ago version!
The problem now, is that is not compatible with the latest versions.
Have you some data on the new HD?
Ciao
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What do you mean by data framiga? HDToolBox settings? I have backed up all the cotents of my Hard Drive if thats what you mean.
Where can i get the latest version of SFS, or the version that everbody else is using?!
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@CU_AMIGA
just emailed to you.
Ciao
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Thanks Framiga, i will have a look. Then what do i do?
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Framiga, I think you gave me the wrong file, or my email account is on the blink. I downloaded the link but got the file "showletter.html" and it just shows the email you sent me again! :-?
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oh wait i just solved the problem. Thanks for the file. I will try it out later. What do i do with it and whats in the file?
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@CU_AMIGA
copy SmartFileSystem in L:
copy ALL the related tools in C:
Open HDToolbox, and choose your HD
Divide the disk in some partitions (the first one must be unser 2GB if you want to boot from that) less is better.
Click on the Update filesystem button
Delete the old SFS filesystem
click on Add New Filesystem button and choose the new one from L: (then click OK)
Click on CHANGE:
CFS\00
Block 512
Mask (the same of the other HD/partition)
MaxTransfer (the same of the other HD/partition)
REPEAT for all the other partitions. . . .and SAVE.
Ciao
PS- choose the buffers, you can (min 100)
If you have a lot of ram, you choose 200-300
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:lol:
Yeah. Thats what i need! A total idiots guide to installing SFS! I will follow that guide EXACTLY! Thanks again for the file and guide Framiga. Very helpful.
Regards,
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That's what I meant, when saying , do it the same way like you install FFS.
And instead of CSF00 you better use SFS00 like I mentioned before.
I have several CFS in my RDB and never know which one is SFS or what.
SFS you'll find on Aminet as always.
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Okay i set up my Hard Drive yesterday. Partitions MDH0,2,3,4 are for Wrokbench and other entertainment and games. MDH1 is for the SFS (L:smartfilesystem and the C:tools). Here's the partitions:
MDH0: Workbench 1.9g
MDH1: Important 1.9m
MDH2: Games 10g
MDH3: Multimedia 10g
MDH4: Macintosh 3.9g
The Information says:
MDH0,2,3,4:
Handler: Smartfilesystem 1.212 (0000)
Blocksize: 512
MDH1:
Handler: fs 45.9 (DOS0)
Blocksize: 1000
I set these up to what people described. I now have the following information in my HDToolBox:
MDH0,2,3,4:
On Add/Update:
Filesystem name: smartfilesystem (customfilesystem)
Identifier: 0x00000000
On Change:
Identifier: 0x00000000
Mask : 0x7FFFFFE (default)
Max Transfer: 0x0001FE00
Blocksize: 512
The HDToolBox settings for MDH1: are default, same as FFS Amiga OS 3.9.
Well everything seems to be working okay so far. I have reinstalled the operating system (Amiga OS 3.9) and also CGFX, if someone could confirm i am on the right track then i will then carry on installing the rest. It seems to recognise SFS. One thing i wonder, is it possible to not use MDH1 (with SFS on) and just put SFS on MDH0: before setting up the partitions, and then, using my spare Hard Drive, QUICK FORMAT on MDH0: and then copy SFS over to it. Is this possible?
Regards,
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@ CU_AMIGA
oh my God! again :-)
so, SFS\0 WAS related to some ancient version of SFS (ie SFS 1.58).
The important is the identfier (that can't be oxooooo)
With SFS 1.212 you must have:
CFS\00
Identifier= GHOSTED (but must be 0x43465300)
If you wish you can select CUSTOM but you must type the identif. manually (0x43465300)
Anyway SFS now has an internal automatic identifier.
Ciao
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NNNOOO!!! :-(
Damn! I thought i was doing it right and it was okay. The indentifier bit is ghosted but shows them numbers. I will reset up my HD partitions and type them down again. Is that the only bit i done wrong? Are there any other figures i need to put down? Also do i need that seperate partition with SFS on, MDH1:
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Okay. I have reset up my Hard Drive again:
MDH0: Workbench 1.9g
MDH1: Entertainment 22.7g
MDH2: Macintosh 3.9g
This time i put all the SFS files including L:Smartfilesystem and C:Tool files on the Workbench partition and set everything up with the help of my spare Hard Drive.
Info on all the partitions MDH0,1,2:
Same as before apart from:
Handler: Smartfilesystem 1.212 (SFS0)
On the HDToolBox:
Change:
Filesystem: SFS\00
Identifier: 0x53465300 (not 0x43465300, docs said what i put down) - GHOSTED
Mask/Max Transfer: (default)
Blocksize:512
Add/Update:
Filesystem: L:smartfilesystem (Custom File System SFS\00)
Identfier: As stated above.
I have also set the buffers to 100.
I had to manually type down the idenfier and press return to enter it in, that's probably why it did not save before! :-) Anyway, have i finally cracked it, i have installed the usual so far and i have had no troublt. I left the Mask/Max Transfer as they were.
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@CU_AMiGA
OK lets all so :-)
Now it is you that can help me:
Have you used the HDToolbox that i've sent to you?
Those SFS\00 and id. 0x53465300 it is RIGHT (is an internal option as reported by the docs).
Now i wish to know :
can someone tell me why, i have
SFS 1.212 Smartfilesystem CFS\00 with id 0x43465300?
In my HDToolbox, i can't choose SFS\00 (is not in the list)
Why?
Thanks in advance
Ciao
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@Framiga
So you are actually saying i got it right this time! :-)
The answer to your question:
I used the HDToolBox from Amiga OS 3.9, but i will take a look and see if it works in the other version if you like.
Make the identifier: 0x53465300
What is your Mask and Max Transfer?
Did you disable FFS flags?
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@CU_AMIGA
so when i choose from HDToolbox the new filesystem i have:
Add new filesystem:
ID= 0x43465300
Version= 1.212
Dimension= 78224
Filesystem name= L:Smartfilesystem [File system custom CFS\00]
And in CHANGE:
5 options
-Filesystem standard
-Filesystem custom
-CFS\00
-PFS\03
-UNI\01
as you can see i haven't SFS\00 so
OR
i must choose CFS\00 with a ghosted ID(0x43465300)
OR
i can choose Custom fylesystem and type manually the above ID.
MASK= 0x7FFFFFFE
MAX TRANSFER= 0x0001FE00
BLOCKS=512
with all FFS related option GHOSTED.
Can someone explain me why?
The partition is a 1.9GB in size.
Thanks
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@Framiga
My only guess is the identifier. It must be 53465300, why have you got 43465300? That is the best i could do. Try it anyhow.
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I've poked around abit with SFS and I can tell you that there are many pitfalls.
First of all: the docs are not up to date; they reflect the old 1.58 (I think). The ID you want is the one the filesystem list states, not the docs(!).
The identifier have changed several times during devlopment.
And people: you MUST use the update feature in HDToolbox properly when trying to update SFS! Don't just add the new version to the list and start typing the new ID to partitions(!). Click the add/update button, select the old version, click update and click the new version (wherever it's located). Then save changes and you're done. Without data loss(!).
I use a blocksize of 1024 with SFS. It's real fast. However there are people who get serius performance issues and I don't know why.
The file handling benchmark included in the SFS archive says my SFS partitions are about as fast as the RAM disk (filehandling! not transfer rates nor seektimes!).
My best guess so far is that some people may have increased the read-ahead and that cripples performance seriusly. Or they don't add enough buffers to their partitions. Using A500? :-) Who knows?
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JetRacer wrote:
I've poked around abit with SFS and I can tell you that there are many pitfalls.
First of all: the docs are not up to date; they reflect the old 1.58 (I think). The ID you want is the one the filesystem list states, not the docs(!).
The identifier have changed several times during devlopment.
And people: you MUST use the update feature in HDToolbox properly when trying to update SFS! Don't just add the new version to the list and start typing the new ID to partitions(!). Click the add/update button, select the old version, click update and click the new version (wherever it's located). Then save changes and you're done. Without data loss(!).
I use a blocksize of 1024 with SFS. It's real fast. However there are people who get serius performance issues and I don't know why.
The file handling benchmark included in the SFS archive says my SFS partitions are about as fast as the RAM disk (filehandling! not transfer rates nor seektimes!).
My best guess so far is that some people may have increased the read-ahead and that cripples performance seriusly. Or they don't add enough buffers to their partitions. Using A500? :-) Who knows?
Disagreed.
1. If something important like the change of the Identifier would happen then i am 100% sure that this would be mentioned in the doc.
2. I tried that little instruction you wrote out and i got the same Identifier! I clicked Add/Update button, then clicked update on the current SFS i was using then clicked the one in L and i got the same results!
3. The HDToolBox/Info recognises the filesystem as SFS\00 and Filesystem: smartfilesystem (Custom File System SFS\00). The SFS\00 is also on the list.
4. I heard that Blocksize should be 512, but is usable in 1024, if the right speed Hard Drive / options is used.
Just for the record, my Identifier is 53465300 and the version i use is 1.212. What is your version and Identifier?
@Framiga
Have you sorted your SFS out yet?
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@CU_AMiGA
with the hope to close this thread forever, the last version of HDToolbox (BB-2 v.45.6) that i have sent to you , detects all the FS that aren't FFS like CFS\00 (if you have more than one SFS version installed, it will be CFS\01, CFS\02 and so on).
Here with SFS 1.212 and HDToolbox 45.6 i have:
CFS\00
0x43465300
But don't worry . . . .your version of HDToolbox reads the internal id SFS\00 id.0x53465300 as well.
by the docs:
"From SFS ver 1.190
* Fixed ACTION_INHIBIT,DOSTRUE.
a SFS is now a resident module (DOSType=0x53465300, 'SFS\0')."
Your config is OK.
Ciao
PS- and by the way CU_AMIGA, i've installed SFS some days before you, don't you remember? :-)
and it works perfectly.
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@Framiga,
I used the other HDToolBox and it recognised the filesystem as SFS\00 and filesystem: smartfilesystem (custom file sysem SFS\00), or in other words the same as before.
I thought you said you were having problems with SFS, that was the whole point of this thread wasn't it? Speed problems.