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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Tumbleweed on November 18, 2009, 01:58:33 PM
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has anyone tried this release of NetSurf for 68k yet?
I downloaded it from Aminet, installed it but it doesn't work for me. I'm running it on a CS MKII 060 128MB ram, CV643D, ixemul62.1, AFA_OS.
Weed.
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Is there an error message? Do you run your workbench at 32-bit depth? I think you need to or else it will open up a full screen 32-bit depth screen...which has to be available in your screenmode prefs...
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you dont need 32 bit screen depth anymore with this release. window on 16bit will work too. what doesnt mean it doesnt work? does it open the window?
maybe these fonts are missing:
http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
i think readmes are not quite up to date. copy djavu fonts into progdir/fonts directory.
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wawrzon is right.
I forgot to change fonts.
Sorry, will fix ASAP.
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artur,
very cool work, it is actually bypasses already beyond my expectation if not for speed, but this isnt solvable i think, at least not so easy.
but what concerns youtube and other pages holding streaming content netsurf is eating up my whole ram on a4k while it doesnt show even much of the page, what would execuse it. might it be it already tries to load some complete stream into the ram before displaying it?
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you dont need 32 bit screen depth anymore with this release. window on 16bit will work too. what doesnt mean it doesnt work? does it open the window?
maybe these fonts are missing:
http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
i think readmes are not quite up to date. copy djavu fonts into progdir/fonts directory.
Indeed correct sir! Installed fonts and woohoo netsurf running fine with a 16bit screen depth. Excellent!
Weed.
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>but what concerns youtube and other pages holding streaming content netsurf is eating >up my whole ram on a4k while it doesnt show even much of the page, what would >execuse it. might it be it already tries to load some complete stream into the ram before >displaying it?
i look now at ram usage more.I have 256 megaybte of ram but when i go to youtube video page i have then only 70 megabytes free.i test some pages i fint in the mainpage currently and this page eats lots mem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH8P93HdJbo&feature=popular
I have no idea whats problem, can you look if OS4 Version do the same, i guess its a netsurf general problem.
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@bernd_afa
It may be cache problem. Netsurf team is working on it.
I have found that on youtube page if I press reload
ram is freed back.
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Netsurf is truly awseome for 68k. Ive just installed it on amikit and it works great, not the quickest but at least I can now access CSS web pages, the most important of which for me is A.Org, and they look like they are meant to. I can now post to A.org from within a 68k enviroement without having to fire up the peecee. This really is excellent work.
Weed
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Cool, thank you! :)
Question:
Is it possible to get it going without afa running? If I try, it doesn't load, just a window pops on the screen for a split second. Maybe it's a fonts issue? (Though Netsurf-ttf 2.1 works juts fine.) SnoopDOS provides no clues.
Anyhow, fun to see this run on an A2000. On real 68k, the speed is entirely reasonable considering the hardware IMHO.
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Cool, thank you! :)
Question:
Is it possible to get it going without afa running? If I try, it doesn't load, just a window pops on the screen for a split second. Maybe it's a fonts issue? (Though Netsurf-ttf 2.1 works juts fine.) SnoopDOS provides no clues.
Anyhow, fun to see this run on an A2000. On real 68k, the speed is entirely reasonable considering the hardware IMHO.
Yes, NetSurf runs even *without* Afa_os. Just copy the dejavu fonts in netsurf fonts directory http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/index.php?title=Download
@Artur:
Have u found some helping hand who can help u doing a MUI version ?
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Yes, NetSurf runs even *without* Afa_os. Just copy the dejavu fonts in netsurf fonts directory http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/index.php?title=Download
Yeah, the fonts have to be there for it to work either way it seems. No problem with afa running, but without it doesn't start.
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Yeah, the fonts have to be there for it to work either way it seems. No problem with afa running, but without it doesn't start.
On my Workbench 3.1 setup *without* Afa_os, NetSurf works perfectly.
Try to put your workbench on a RTG screen with 16 bit depth, instead of leaving the workbench on native screen.
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with the youtube pages need lots mem problem, i suggest that not run out of mem the whole amiga system to enable in ixprefs program "watch available mem" and "catch failed allocations"
then when there is less than 2 megabyte free a ixemul program show a requester that you run low on mem.You can thentry to free memory from other tasks and try again.
Its recommend to do this for all tasks but If you dont want it for all tasks you can then add a task in the blacklist
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On my Workbench 3.1 setup *without* Afa_os, NetSurf works perfectly.
Try to put your workbench on a RTG screen with 16 bit depth, instead of leaving the workbench on native screen.
I'll fiddle with it some more, but I normally use a 16-bit RTG screen. The odd thing, it doesn't even load - I click the icon, there's a barely perceptible flash of a window, then nothing. I edit the startup-sequence to enable afa, and it works perfect.
Must be something stupid I'm overlooking. :)
*edit* ooooh, I think I know what it is ;)
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Hey.. what you mean?!.. NetSurf now can Run without GFX Card?
Its possble run in Native Amiga Video Modes?..
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I'll fiddle with it some more, but I normally use a 16-bit RTG screen. The odd thing, it doesn't even load - I click the icon, there's a barely perceptible flash of a window, then nothing. I edit the startup-sequence to enable afa, and it works perfect.
Must be something stupid I'm overlooking. :)
*edit* ooooh, I think I know what it is ;)
Figured this out, it works fine.
The Netsurf icon (like newer Ken's Icons in general) shows up as a "drawer" when using Power Icons, instead of a "tool". Running afa it's recognized correctly, and loads fine.
So just a matter of changing the icon or running from shell. :P
Slightly off topic, but can anyone explain this icon weirdness? I've also encountered other issues, for example, using the installer to update afa... when the (Ken's) icons are installed in prefs/, all other icon data in the drawer becomes b0rked and changes to drawers. :/
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How well will this thing run on an A4000T with Cyberstorm II 060/50, 32 megs of RAM and Picasso IV? I was thinking websites like amiga.org, not video streaming sites like youtube :P
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How well will this thing run on an A4000T with Cyberstorm II 060/50, 32 megs of RAM and Picasso IV? I was thinking websites like amiga.org, not video streaming sites like youtube :P
I've tried it on my a4000d with Cyberstorm mkII, 76 mb ram and PIV, and loading amiga.org takes quite a long time. I didn't measure the time, but I think it almost takes a minute before the whole page is loaded.
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D-d-damn. Whats a decent alternative?
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>Slightly off topic, but can anyone explain this icon weirdness? I've also encountered other >issues, for example, using the installer to update afa... when the (Ken's) icons are >installed in prefs/, all other icon data in the drawer becomes b0rked and changes to >drawers. :/
powericons is bad written, it do some icon information not store complete that are need for dopus magellan 2.
thats the powericon compatible code, it seem broken in AROS.I see no reason to fix it, OS4 and scalos AFA support a way to show all bits.but powericon store only 4 bits in a mixed way of the 32 bit dd_Flags entrie and the 16 bit dd_Viewmodes entrie ofd the doubject->drawerdata structure
ATTR_DRAWERFLAGS: AAABC
C : 1-bit flag : 0 = showonlyicons 1 = showallfiles
B : 1-bit flag : 0 = viewastext 1 = view as icons
AA : 2-bit value : 0 = viewbyname, 1 = viewbydata, 2 = viewbysize, 3 = viewbytype
*/
thats AROS code.
static ULONG flags_to_ddflags(ULONG flags)
{
ULONG ret = 0;
if (flags & 1)
{
ret = DDFLAGS_SHOWALL;
}
else
{
ret = DDFLAGS_SHOWICONS;
}
return ret;
}
static ULONG flags_to_ddviewmodes(ULONG flags)
{
ULONG ret = 0;
if (flags & 2)
{
ret = DDVM_BYICON;
}
else
{
ret = (flags >> 2) + DDVM_BYNAME;
}
return ret;
}
static ULONG dd_to_flags(struct DiskObject *dobj)
{
ULONG drawerflags = 0;
if (dobj->do_DrawerData->dd_Flags & DDFLAGS_SHOWALL)
{
drawerflags |= 1;
}
if (dobj->do_DrawerData->dd_ViewModes == DDVM_BYICON)
{
drawerflags |= 2;
}
else
{
drawerflags |= ((dobj->do_DrawerData->dd_ViewModes - 2) << 2);
}
return drawerflags;
}
>I've tried it on my a4000d with Cyberstorm mkII, 76 mb ram and PIV, and loading >amiga.org takes quite a long time. I didn't measure the time, but I think it almost takes a >minute before the whole page is loaded.
I try without JIT and really the page load is 4* slower as aweb.aweb show page not complete because of missing CSS, but aweb show many, so its maybe a good compare to see whats so slow in netsurf.also intresting how can switch css off in netsurf, what happen with speed then.
Maybe you can post values of OWB to show that page
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@Nostromo
Well Ibrowse is still my favourite browser for classic systems (except under winuae).
It's very fast, but unfortunately lacks CSS support.
Right now, when I need to do some serious browsing, I either use the PC or use netsurf 68k under winuae.
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@bernd
Thanks for explaining :)
@nostromo
How well will this thing run on an A4000T with Cyberstorm II 060/50, 32 megs of RAM and Picasso IV? I was thinking websites like amiga.org, not video streaming sites like youtube :P
To load hardforum.com is about 10-11 seconds from the time you hit "enter" in the address bar to the time the page shows up. Then maybe another 10 seconds until everything is done loading. Amiga.org takes a while longer.
While it has less features, 2.1 is a little faster.
Not something you'd want to use as your main browser on a real amiga, but it's fun, and still surprisingly usable given the hardware. Also, the difference between 50 and 66MHz is definitely noticeable.
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I try without JIT and really the page load is 4* slower as aweb.aweb show page not complete because of missing CSS, but aweb show many, so its maybe a good compare to see whats so slow in netsurf.also intresting how can switch css off in netsurf, what happen with speed then.
Maybe you can post values of OWB to show that page
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aweb is dead slow comparing to ibrowse. owb, ok i will not comment on that. bernd, lets aim high, not justify what has been achieved. im convinient netsurf can be made faster.
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>>I've tried it on my a4000d with Cyberstorm mkII, 76 mb ram and PIV, and loading >amiga.org takes quite a long time. I didn't measure the time, but I think it almost takes a >minute before the whole page is loaded.
I try without JIT and really the page load is 4* slower as aweb.aweb show page not complete because of missing CSS, but aweb show many, so its maybe a good compare to see whats so slow in netsurf.also intresting how can switch css off in netsurf, what happen with speed then.
Maybe you can post values of OWB to show that page
Well I measured the time and loading amiga.org in netsurf 68k takes 64 seconds on my system. loading amigaworld.net takes 26 seconds.
I tried loading amiga.org in OWB 1.3, but that takes forever. after 2 minutes loading amiga.org still wasn't finished, so I gave up.
I also tried to use OWB 1.5, but for some strange reason that version doesn't work on my system.
Edit: There's supposed to be OWB 1.6, but I can't find it.
Edit2: IIRC earlier versions of Netsurf 68k were faster on my system.
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I have tried Netsurf 3.0 (using it on Winuae at the moment) and I have to say it is great. It is definitely an improvement over 2.x. The next step will be to try it on my 030 Amiga 500 system.
Thank you to the Netsurf team as this is an amazing web surfing tool for 68k Amigas (no exaggeration).
Edit/
Trying to figure out how to view Youtube videos... Once again I am editing this message with Netsurf 3.0 on Winuae... amazing.
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@mozzerfan: owb1.3 was the fastest afair.
@miked: you need a gfx card to use sdl apps!
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I must admit playing youtube files work better/faster than expected. No slowdown under winuae with 128 MB. Works even faster than FF3.5/3.6 over here. Shame ffplay blocks netsurf, so you can't do anything else.
x303 :D :D :D
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Shame ffplay blocks netsurf, so you can't do anything else.
It is made so you can browse other sites already. ffplay is run like other process.
Click on browser window to focus. Hope that helps!
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>It is made so you can browse other sites already. ffplay is run like other process.
>Click on browser window to focus. Hope that helps!
I change newest SDL so it use at default this way:
A sdl program with active window use normal pri (0).when the SDL window is deactivate then taskpri is change to -1.so your amiga can run at full speed wtih other programs, because SDL programs are most bad written and slow down whole system when a program run.
netsurf is compile with newest sdl.
But ffplay can release too with the new sdl.so when deactivate ffplay window other programs that run at pri 0 get more cpu time
but all tasks that are above 0 are not change in pri.so sound in ffplay have always priority>0.same is with the picture and network thread.only the main task, that read and decode ahead video data run at pri-1.
And if your system is slow and need play lots audio, then you have no good performance.
best is for classic use 3gp videos in grayscale play.
the behavior of SDL can switch off if you really notice problems with env var
env:SDL_NOLOWERTASKPRI
to get more better and more configurable task sheduler and responsnes of AOS, try out
http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/Executive
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Soon I'm gonna be testing this in a system with overclocked 060 at 80Mhz and PicassoIV, I'll report how it goes :)
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Because netsurf have many settings to speedup and get best performance depend on the CPU its also important to tweak the settings for slow systems
The default settings are very bad for a classis system.Default is this and it work good on a fast system.SO when you use a UAE on a 1 GHZ X86 this values are ok.maybe on SAM help tweak here too, but a aone/Peg should also with default values fast enough.
file is in resources/options.
Thats default of netsurf 68k
incremental_reflow:1
min_reflow_period:25
max_fetchers:24
max_fetchers_per_host:5
max_cached_fetch_handles:6
but when i disable JIT then its only possible to scroll when page is full load.
Important seem reduce the number of max_fetchers(mean how many data requests are send at once)this reduce the internet latency because there need not wait until the data is load for each image.
But for the classic its too much.I try below values and set all to 4.
also i increase the min_reflow_period to 500.this mean the page is not so often update.
But you should tweak yourself and put here the best values you get
with below values i get on winaue without jit enabled ( get 33 Mips and 23 mflops on sysspeed cpu/fpu Test)
when the page show correct layout(happen very soon on netsurf) but load some missing images, i get a scroll speed of 2-3 fps /sec now
incremental_reflow:1
min_reflow_period:500
max_fetchers:4
max_fetchers_per_host:4
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
please try out on your classic and post values so you reach better performance.
the complete page load is not important only important is that the page is show as soon as possible in correct layout and you can scroll or click on links
try also
incremental_reflow:0
but i see here no diffrence
also try out if with disabled antialiasing in netsurf more fps/sec on scroll can reach.usre text cant read then, but only to know if disable AA give a noticable speed increase
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@MozzerFan
You can get OWB 1.6 68k from http://strohmayer.org/files/OWB_m68k_1.6.lha
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incremental_reflow:1
min_reflow_period:500
max_fetchers:4
max_fetchers_per_host:4
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
please try out on your classic and post values so you reach better performance.
the complete page load is not important only important is that the page is show as soon as possible in correct layout and you can scroll or click on links
try also
incremental_reflow:0
With these settings amiga.org loads faster on my classic system. It now takes about 40 seconds. Loading time of amigaworld.net is the same.
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@MozzerFan
You can get OWB 1.6 68k from http://strohmayer.org/files/OWB_m68k_1.6.lha
Thanks !!! :)
Just like 1.5 it doesn't work though :confused:
It won't even open a window.
I wonder if it has to do with the new ixemul.library.
Edit: just tried it with the old ixemul (48.x): same problem.
It's really weird: If I try to start it from CLI, it says it need exec.library from BB2, and that's the one I'm using.
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Found the problem with OWB 1.6: I had to disable AFA and use ixemul.library 48.x.
Running it under winuae was not really as fast as netsurf 68k, so after the test with owb 1.3 I decided no to try 1.6 on my real amiga.
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>Found the problem with OWB 1.6: I had to disable AFA and use ixemul.library 48.x.
ah yes i download it and test from that link.
get the errors messages too when start from shell.
ixemul V48 or better need or exec V45 need.He does add checks so it dont work.but its possible to remove this checks and all work ok i think.
AFA and ixemul is fully compatible to older Versions.
that OWB can work well with newer ixemul and AFA you can see, when you try out OWB 1.2 OWB1.3 or OWB 1.4.all work ok.1.5 i not test.
I dont rememeber was there a news message about 1.6 OWB
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>Found the problem with OWB 1.6: I had to disable AFA and use ixemul.library 48.x.
ah yes i download it and test from that link.
get the errors messages too when start from shell.
ixemul V48 or better need or exec V45 need.He does add checks so it dont work.but its possible to remove this checks and all work ok i think.
AFA and ixemul is fully compatible to older Versions.
that OWB can work well with newer ixemul and AFA you can see, when you try out OWB 1.2 OWB1.3 or OWB 1.4.all work ok.1.5 i not test.
I dont rememeber was there a news message about 1.6 OWB
Well OWB 1.3 indeed works fine with the new ixemul and AFA, but the speed was horrible on my real amiga, as I wrote in my previous post.
I just wanted to see if 1.5 or 1.6 were any better.
OWB 1.5 gave me the same warnings as 1.6, so I guess both require the old ixemul and also that AFA has to be disabled.
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>Well OWB 1.3 indeed works fine with the new ixemul and AFA, but the speed was horrible >on my real amiga,
speed is also horribly slow on winuae.
the readme of OWB 1.6/1.5 does not contain any text about more speed.
As far known Jörg have tell before 1.6 and 1.5 release, that he not want furtherdevelop OWB 68k.
The OWB 68k Port is so outdate and very few is new in 1.5 and 1.6, and the last few updates are really no reason that its not possible to work on AFA and newest ixemul.
History:
1.6 (23.5.2009)
- Relinked with OpenSSL 0.9.7m, https: works now.
- Delayed rendering while data is transferred can be disabled by setting
the OWB_NODELAY variable now, for example use 'set OWB_NODELAY 1' in a
shell before starting OWB from it. It's only usable that way if you
have a *very* fast system.
1.5 (24.2.2009)
- Added GETTITLE and GETURL ARexx commands.
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I just wanted to try out OWB 1.6, because in your previous posts you asked me to also test the loading time of amiga.org in OWB.
With the new options-settings, netsurf is reasonably usable on a classic system, and by using netsurf I can also use AFA and the new ixemul.
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incremental_reflow:1
min_reflow_period:500
max_fetchers:4
max_fetchers_per_host:4
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
please try out on your classic and post values so you reach better performance.
the complete page load is not important only important is that the page is show as soon as possible in correct layout and you can scroll or click on links
I have tried these values (A4000D as per signature) but for me their appears to be only a minor improvement. Page renders 2-3 seconds faster.
Weed
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Is there someone who can help Artur do the MUI interface for Netsurf ??
What I'm missing right now in netsurf, compared with eg. Ibrowse, is the possibility to customize the interface however I want.
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incremental_reflow:1
min_reflow_period:500
max_fetchers:4
max_fetchers_per_host:4
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
please try out on your classic and post values so you reach better performance.
the complete page load is not important only important is that the page is show as soon as possible in correct layout and you can scroll or click on links
I have tried these values (A4000D as per signature) but for me their appears to be only a minor improvement. Page renders 2-3 seconds faster.
Weed
The main reason for this settings is that you can scroll in a page before it is full load.the full load time is normaly not much faster.
for example:
with old settings when i want show http://www.amiga.oth without JIT and load it, than press reload page button and keep and hold cursor down button, the page is scroll after 53 sec.
with the new settings i can scroll the page after 18 sec.
but the page is too only full load after 50 sec.
but after 18 sec you can scroll and press a link and you need not wait until full page is load.
so in praxis you get a speedup of 3*
does the classic not sooner scroll with that settings ?
next netsurf also have faster scroll, because netsurf use CPU and memmove to scroll data on GFX Card.thats slow on Amiga.Use SDL_BlitSurface is lots faster
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next netsurf also have faster scroll, because netsurf use CPU and memmove to scroll data on GFX Card.thats slow on Amiga.Use SDL_BlitSurface is lots faster
Next Netsurf should also have MUI interface.
Here's a MUI programming tutorial (http://www.ezcyberspace.com/gcc/index.html ), in case you or Artur aren't particularly experienced in MUI.
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@0amigan0
>Here's a MUI programming tutorial (http://www.ezcyberspace.com/gcc/index.html ), in >case you or Artur aren't particularly experienced in MUI.
change of GUI is lots work, and if its not sure when netsurf get Java Script and frames, i dont want spend much work on it.Because the netsurf devs do not care about MUI or amiga code, they can change at any time something, so the MUI Version fail to work(happen with MOS MUI code).and then there is more time need.
So its better to wait for a nicer GUI until netsurf have all features modern browsers have.
Artur have add to sdl GUI all features a modern browser need, download of files with progress request.show and download videos, bookmarks and hotlink buttons.
only scroll and textinput must enhance and all important can do with it as can do with a nicer GUI
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@0amigan0
>Here's a MUI programming tutorial (http://www.ezcyberspace.com/gcc/index.html ), in >case you or Artur aren't particularly experienced in MUI.
change of GUI is lots work, and if its not sure when netsurf get Java Script and frames, i dont want spend much work on it.Because the netsurf devs do not care about MUI or amiga code, they can change at any time something, so the MUI Version fail to work(happen with MOS MUI code).and then there is more time need.
So its better to wait for a nicer GUI until netsurf have all features modern browsers have.
Artur have add to sdl GUI all features a modern browser need, download of files with progress request.show and download videos, bookmarks and hotlink buttons.
only scroll and textinput must enhance and all important can do with it as can do with a nicer GUI
OK, I get it! :-)
Can u at least, add some sort of contextual menu? I want for example right-click on a link and run an arexx script.
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The main reason for this settings is that you can scroll in a page before it is full load.the full load time is normaly not much faster.
Just to make sure, I tested it again.
Test on my classic system with 060/50, PIV, screen depth 1024x768 16-bits , Netsurf windows size 1024x768:
With old options: amiga org displays the page after 20 sec., but full page load takes 60 secs. I've tried this 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 60 sec.
With new options: amiga.org displays the page after 20 sec, but full page load takes 39 secs. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 39 sec.
Test under WinUAE screen depth 1600x1200 32-bits, netsurf window size 1024x768:
With old options: amiga.org displays the page after 8 sec, but full page load takes 24 secs. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 24 sec.
With new options: amiga.org displays the page after 5 sec, but full page load takes 15 sec. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 15 sec.
With amigaworld.net I hardly notice a difference. I haven't measured the time with any other sites.
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It takes so much time to load on a real amiga... is this because it loads slowly, or it takes its time to render?
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>Can u at least, add some sort of contextual menu? I want for example right-click on a link >and run an arexx script.
context menu seem in netsurf core in, and need not support from the AOS GUI.
, but i dont know how this activate in SDL.
In desktop/browser.c file is this that should over a link open a menu.But when press right mousebutton do same as left mouse button.starting a arexx script is a selden need feature i see not on windows or linux browsers.Does that work on OS4 or MOS browsers?
More usefull to have context menus is to save a image to disk.or start a new netsurf that show the page in another window.
case GADGET_SELECT:
status = messages_get("FormSelect");
pointer = GUI_POINTER_MENU;
if (mouse & BROWSER_MOUSE_CLICK_1 &&
option_core_select_menu) {
bw->visible_select_menu = gadget;
form_open_select_menu(bw, gadget,
browser_select_menu_callback,
bw);
pointer = GUI_POINTER_DEFAULT;
} else if (mouse & BROWSER_MOUSE_CLICK_1)
gui_create_form_select_menu(bw, gadget);
break;
I think a context menu is not need, better use the F keys or show key shortcuts that can press when mouse is over a link.
>With new options: amiga.org displays the page after 20 sec, but full page load takes 39 >secs. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 39 sec.
does then after 20 sec click on a new link or scrolling of page work ?
there need selden wait until page is full load.most time when page is show then user click or scroll and dont wait until page is full load
>It takes so much time to load on a real amiga... is this because it loads slowly, or it takes >its time to render?
it takes time to render, the GFX Action cost not much time.netsurf render all in ram, and the part thats show is copy to GFX Card.
and when you see nothing, then netsurf or any other browser load or renders the page in RAM.
to display a page so a user can see it, is graphic action but it need not more than 0,3 sec also on a slow real amiga
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>With new options: amiga.org displays the page after 5 sec, but full page load takes 15 >sec. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 15 sec.
What DSL and winuae System (CPU)you have ?
On my system display page after 3-3,5 sec and full page is show after 10 sec.but after 3,5 sec i can scroll page with more than 20 fps or click on a link
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>With new options: amiga.org displays the page after 5 sec, but full page load takes 15 >sec. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 15 sec.
What DSL and winuae System (CPU)you have ?
On my system display page after 3-3,5 sec and full page is show after 10 sec.but after 3,5 sec i can scroll page with more than 20 fps or click on a link
This is on a Pentium 4 3 Ghz system with 1.5 GB RAM.
DSL is a 8 Mbit connection.
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About the speed, i ask about the 150 megabyte problem for a page.They say that the cache in netsurf currently not work, and all is load more often than need, so in future we can hope for much more speed and mem usage.
http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org/2009-November/001649.html
I suggest to switch off the cache, but it currently not work to switch it off.
To avoid speedloss you can then use a cache proxy on AOS.but you need to set taskpri to 1 of this so it have better priotity as netsurf.
maybe somebody try out netsurf with cache proxy if its faster on classic.
this a Ex Amiga User and network expert dev i know use long time on his classic and it work well and fast on his classic
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/httpproxy-0_14
but there are also other cache proxiy on aminet maybe there are better one now
>This is on a Pentium 4 3 Ghz system with 1.5 GB RAM.
>DSL is a 8 Mbit connection.
I have only DSL 3 MBit(more not possible) and a AMD64 3000+ with real 1,8 GHZ.the 3000+ mean your systems should be equal speed.
seem your winuae JIT settings are not good.
Here you can see a old screenshot how the settings should be for JIT.
http://www.pcguru.plus.com/uaegfx/cpu.gif
For the sound you should enable automatic switching.
if this not make your winuae faster, you can also send me your winuae config.
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seem your winuae JIT settings are not good.
Here you can see a old screenshot how the settings should be for JIT.
http://www.pcguru.plus.com/uaegfx/cpu.gif
I've changed my JIT settings, and now I get similiar speeds as you with Netsurf. Thanks :)
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maybe somebody try out netsurf with cache proxy if its faster on classic.
this a Ex Amiga User and network expert dev i know use long time on his classic and it work well and fast on his classic
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/httpproxy-0_14
I've installed httpproxy on my classic. To test if I installed it correctly I've tested it with Ibrowse and that works.
I've changed the http proxy settings in the options file of netsurf, but pages refuse to load with httpproxy.
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Do you get messages "Base stylesheet failed to load" and nothing can see ?
I get a report from a user that say this he get problems on winuae on his office proxy, he get this error on most sites.
But http://netsurf-browser.org
and many links on it work.
Is this on your system the same ?
If so, then its maybe a netsurf Problem in proxy Mode
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incremental_reflow:1
min_reflow_period:500
max_fetchers:4
max_fetchers_per_host:4
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
Thanks, these settings made a *huge* difference here on my A2000/060. Loading amiga.org for example went from 45 seconds, down to 22-26 seconds. :)
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context menu seem in netsurf core in, and need not support from the AOS GUI.
, but i dont know how this activate in SDL.
In desktop/browser.c file is this that should over a link open a menu.But when press right mousebutton do same as left mouse button.
That code is for form select menus, not context menus. The select menu code could probably be used to create context menus on framebuffer, but at the moment AFAIK there is no context menu code in the framebuffer version.
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Do you get messages "Base stylesheet failed to load" and nothing can see ?
I get a report from a user that say this he get problems on winuae on his office proxy, he get this error on most sites.
But http://netsurf-browser.org
and many links on it work.
Is this on your system the same ?
If so, then its maybe a netsurf Problem in proxy Mode
Yes, that's the message I got.
I've only tried google and amiga.org, I don't know if the netsurf page works. I'll try to look at it again.
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Oops, I must have done something wrong with my HTTPProxy installation, because I reinstalled HTTPProxy (this time I installed it manually), and now Netsurf correctly shows all pages.
However I didn't notice much of a speedup with most sites.
All visited sites are correctly written to the proxy cache.
Amiga.org doesn't have a speedup after the page was written to the proxy cache. Amigaworld.net was a second faster.
The BBC news page was about 4 seconds faster. Edit: BBC-news actually is much SLOWER when using httpproxy. It takes 10 sec more to load the bbc page when using httpproxy.
Edit: Amiga-news.de also was not noticeably faster.
Edit: I also tested httpproxy with Ibrowse, and with that I do notice a significant speedup.
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If ibrowse speedup then netsurf should too.
Problem in netsurf is, it is written as a single thread application, this mean it fires out the Internet requests and poll for answers.So when another task run at priority 0, the other task must wait.
to check if this is the problem, start the load of a page and deactivate the netsurf window.netsurf should then get taskpri -1.
then always when netsurf fire a internet request http proxy should start immidiatly to send the data, because httpproxy have then a higher taskpri.
to see if netsurf really get taskpri -1 look in scout taskwindow.
maybe you can write the steps you do to get httpproxy working.
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to check if this is the problem, start the load of a page and deactivate the netsurf window.netsurf should then get taskpri -1.
then always when netsurf fire a internet request http proxy should start immidiatly to send the data, because httpproxy have then a higher taskpri.
to see if netsurf really get taskpri -1 look in scout taskwindow.
maybe you can write the steps you do to get httpproxy working.
When deactivating the netsurf window, it indeed gets taskpri -1.
But even when deactivating the netsurf window, there's still no speedup when using httpproxy.
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maybe you can write the steps you do to get httpproxy working.
I just followed the installation guide in the httpproxy archive.
I know Netsurf is reading from the proxy, because when I set the expiration date of the cached files to 1 week (which is the default setting) and
for example the amiga.org website is updated, Netsurf gets the old data from the proxy cache.
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Artur have upload new netsurf.it scroll faster now, get report from a Zorro 2 GFX Card User scroll work same speed as AWEB
http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/NetSurf-68k
hope now scroll work as soon the Page is show.
I test with disabled JIT and now this option value can set to 200.mean the page is redraw every 2 sec,when not all is load complete.
min_reflow_period:200
and scroll work with 3-5 fps during page load.Is this on classic too ?
if not maybe reduce the fethers.here is setting for slow systems
max_fetchers:4
max_fetchers_per_host:5
max_cached_fetch_handles:6
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bernd its geart to see thebupdates coming thick and fast but this one crashes on my real Amiga. Click on the news tab from the google home page and I am given the option to either suspend or re-boot. The previous version works without any problems. Am I missing something from the install?
Weed
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I dont know what can be problem with new code.only when press the cursor key new code is execute.so when you get crash after cursor key press, that show some new code is wrong.
maybe you can post enforcer Hit output
also the new code is just simple and replace the memmove code that use CPU
static bool copy(nsfb_t *nsfb, int srcx, int srcy, int width, int
height,
int dstx, int dsty)
{
// new start
SDL_Rect src;
SDL_Rect dst;
SDL_Surface *sdl_screen = nsfb->frontend_priv;
src.x=srcx;
src.y=srcy;
src.w=width;
src.h=height;
dst.x=dstx;
dst.y=dsty;
dst.w=width;
dst.h=height;
SDL_BlitSurface(sdl_screen, &src, sdl_screen , &dst);
return true;
// new end
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bernd its geart to see thebupdates coming thick and fast but this one crashes on my real Amiga. Click on the news tab from the google home page and I am given the option to either suspend or re-boot. The previous version works without any problems. Am I missing something from the install?
* Weed
Are you talking about the button or the link news.google.com ?
@bernd_afa
When starting netsurf I get the following messages using sashimi/wipeout/patchwork.
exec.library InitSemaphore(0x1055C8C8)
Severity 2: structure is not cleared
PC=109A7F38 TCB=10A6E568 ("Netsurf")
Data: 1055C8C8 D100DEAD 1055C8C8 00000005 105571C6 10446B00 109AA5A4 00000000
Addr: 1055C8C8 A100DEAD 10A6E5C4 10559D7C 10A6E568 10AE85A8 100008D4 10AE86A4
Stck: 109A7F3C 0000003D 00000005 103E971E 00000000 00000000 1057219E 103E987F
Stck: 1057219E 1002A0F8 10446B00 10995FAC 10446B00 17FFB3D8 100008D4 10572100
exec.library CreateIORequest(0x10562290,20)
Severity 3: size is too small
PC=105626F8 TCB=10A6E568 ("Netsurf")
Data: 00000014 FFBFFFFF 0000003A 10559D7C 00000000 00000000 FFFFFFFF 00000000
Addr: 10562290 105622A4 10561C80 10562290 10564288 10562154 100008D4 1003E1AA
Stck: 1003E1AA 105626FC 00000000 00000000 10561C80 1003D378 1003E1E6 1002A0F8
Stck: 10562154 00000000 10561C80 17FFA134 100008D4 1056873C 00FBF2FA 1003E212
----> 105626F8 - "AmiTCP:devs/netinfo.device" Hunk 0000, Offset 00000140
exec.library CreateIORequest(0x105621B0,20)
Severity 2: ioReplyPort not initialized
PC=10562A3E TCB=1056F138 ("netinfo.device")
Data: 00000014 7FFFFFFF 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000001F 00000000
Addr: 105621B0 1056F138 00000000 105621B0 10564288 10562154 100008D4 10570174
Stck: 10570174 10562A42 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 10562338 100008D4
Stck: 00000000 00000000 105629BA 10562154 10562338 00000000 00000000 1056F138
----> 10562A3E - "AmiTCP:devs/netinfo.device" Hunk 0000, Offset 00000486
exec.library CreateIORequest(0x105621B0,20)
Severity 3: size is too small
PC=10562A3E TCB=1056F138 ("netinfo.device")
Data: 00000014 7FFFFFFF 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000001F 00000000
Addr: 105621B0 1056F138 00000000 105621B0 10564288 10562154 100008D4 10570174
Stck: 10570174 10562A42 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 10562338 100008D4
Stck: 00000000 00000000 105629BA 10562154 10562338 00000000 00000000 1056F138
----> 10562A3E - "AmiTCP:devs/netinfo.device" Hunk 0000, Offset 00000486
WIPEOUT HIT
30-Nov-09 15:30:14
Back wall was stomped upon
Data: 00000014 004000FF 0000003A 10559D7C 00000000 00000000 FFFFFFFF 00000000
Addr: 10562338 10562338 10562338 10562290 10564288 10562154 100008D4 1003E1A6
Stck: 17FFA280 10562770 00000000 00000000 10561C80 1003D378 1003E1E6 1002A0F8
Stck: 10562154 00000000 10561C80 17FFA134 100008D4 1056873C 00FBF2FA 1003E212
Name: "Netsurf" "ROM - exec 45.20 (6.1.2002)" Hunk 0001 Offset 00000A40
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0x10562338 = AllocMem(20,...)
Created on 30-Nov-09 15:30:14
by task 0x10A6E568
at "ROM - exec 45.20 (6.1.2002)" Hunk 0001 Offset 00000A0C
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 byte(s) stomped (0x1056234C..0x1056234F), allocation+1 byte(s)
1056234C: FFFFFFFF................................ ÿÿÿÿ................
x303 :D :D :D
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>exec.library CreateIORequest(0x10562290,20)
>Severity 3: size is too small
>PC=105626F8 TCB=10A6E568 ("Netsurf")
>Data: 00000014 FFBFFFFF 0000003A 10559D7C 00000000 00000000 FFFFFFFF 00000000
>Addr: 10562290 105622A4 10561C80 10562290 10564288 10562154 100008D4 1003E1AA
>Stck: 1003E1AA 105626FC 00000000 00000000 10561C80 1003D378 1003E1E6 1002A0F8
>Stck: 10562154 00000000 10561C80 17FFA134 100008D4 1056873C 00FBF2FA 1003E212
>----> 105626F8 - "AmiTCP:devs/netinfo.device" Hunk 0000, Offset 00000140
and this is only with this netsurf and not older Version ?
the output show more a Bug with amitcp netinfo.device.it allocate a too small iorequest structure of size 20.and later the memtrash happen on this 20 byte block
the file a have in OS3.9 is from 1997.and when i start netsurf on winuae, it do not open this file.only usergroup.library
can you post snoopdos log ?
is netinfo.device need from other programs you use ?
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@ x303 the link. I've chnaged the netSrf window size to 1024x768 from 800x600 and since then I've not been able to replicate the crash I got when I first installed the new version.
@ bernd_AFA the fast scrollign is really great. its a big improvement. However, when I try to post to A.Org I can't use the scroll arrow in the box to post my comment (I'm using my peecee to make this post as my A4000D has just frozen). This also happened when using the old version of NetSurf. Also the Scroll arrows don't always show but I can pian them in by drawing the pointer over them sevral times.
Weed
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@bernd_afa & Artur:
On Aminet there's this library for Aros to zunify GTK apps (http://aminet.net/package/dev/lib/libgtk-mui.i386-aros).
Can u compile it for 68k and use the NetSurf GTK build ??
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@bernd_afa & Artur:
On Aminet there's this library for Aros to zunify GTK apps (http://aminet.net/package/dev/lib/libgtk-mui.i386-aros).
Can u compile it for 68k and use the NetSurf GTK build ??
I looks like it won't be enougth, netsurf needs more libs.
For example cairo.
I'm posting this fron Netsurf.
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@ x303 the link. I've chnaged the netSrf window size to 1024x768 from 800x600 and since then I've not been able to replicate the crash I got when I first installed the new version.
@ bernd_AFA the fast scrollign is really great. its a big improvement. However, when I try to post to A.Org I can't use the scroll arrow in the box to post my comment (I'm using my peecee to make this post as my A4000D has just frozen). This also happened when using the old version of NetSurf. Also the Scroll arrows don't always show but I can pian them in by drawing the pointer over them sevral times.
Weed
Can you tell if netsurf launches faster now ?
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>I try to post to A.Org I can't use the scroll arrow in the box to post my comment
this is a bad Limit of the netsurf framebuffer Version.Hope the netsurf framebuffer devs enhance it soon, maybe over christmas time or next year in google summer of code, there is time to do it.
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Can you tell if netsurf launches faster now ?
I don't detect much difference from the previous version. Scrolling is alot faster and makes browsing a whole better experience. But start-up doesn't appear to be any faster.
Weed.
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Also can't download from Aminet - netSurf says "please insert volume Amikit in any drive". Old version works without problems.
Weed.
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Also can't download from Aminet - netSurf says "please insert volume Amikit in any drive". Old version works without problems.
Weed.
Thats because of hurry again.
Please change download path in Resources/OPTIONS file.
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I dont know how installer work, but the installer should ask if the option file should install.
most users have own options and the settings need change for a classic to get faster speed.
>But start-up doesn't appear to be any faster.
normaly netsurf start very fast.I get report that it show on a classic after 6 sec the startpage.what time you get ?
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However, when I try to post to A.Org I can't use the scroll arrow in the box to post my comment (I'm using my peecee to make this post as my A4000D has just frozen). This also happened when using the old version of NetSurf. Also the Scroll arrows don't always show but I can pian them in by drawing the pointer over them sevral times.
Weed
Yep, this happens over here too. And if you click on 'quick reply', netsurf selects 'quote'. And all the buttons [fonts/quotes/link/etc] aren't selectable (javascript ?).
@bernd_afa
the file a have in OS3.9 is from 1997.and when i start netsurf on winuae, it do not open this file.only usergroup.library
can you post snoopdos log ?
I'll post it laterz.
is netinfo.device need from other programs you use ?
Not that i'm aware off.
Can someone kick usergroup.library ? Why use it anyway ?!
x303 :D :D :D
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>Yep, this happens over here too
that the cursor keys not work in a html input box have nothing to do if SDL or not,because inside a html page there cant use amiga GUI Elememts i think.
so i guess on OS4 or MOS netsurf move the cursor in a html textbox too not work and only backspace work ?
>Can someone kick usergroup.library ? Why use it anyway ?!
I dont know for what ixemul need usergroup.library, but i think when have AOS accessing rights, so for example java script can only access 1 dir is usefull.so i dont remove it.but what usergroup library really can do here i was too lazy to read.It work in that way and wy should i change a running system ;-)
/* only use usergroup stuff when AmiTCP is started only */
/* I call OpenLibrary() with the full path since
* usergroup.library might open yet - some people bypass the
* "login" command which loads usergroup.library
*/
#ifdef NATIVE_MORPHOS
p->u_UserGroupBase = OpenLibrary("usergroup.library",1);
#else
p->u_UserGroupBase = OpenLibrary("AmiTCP:libs/usergroup.library",1);
#endif
if (p->u_UserGroupBase) {
struct TagItem ug_list[] = {
{ UGT_INTRMASK, SIGBREAKB_CTRL_C } ,
{ UGT_ERRNOPTR(sizeof(int)), (ULONG)ix_u->u_errno },
{ TAG_END }
};
ug_SetupContextTagList(progname, ug_list);
p->u_networkprotocol = IX_NETWORK_AMITCP;
break;
}
}
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@bernd_afa
Who is using an amiga with more than one user account in the first place?
I've renamed netinfo.device and netsurf still runs fine. *:afro:
x303 :D :D :D
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I get the idea to look in usergroup.library for text netinfo.device.
and i find it here.
I also take a closer look on snoopdos and see that on my system too netinfo.device is load.
but i get no memtrash.
I have netinfo.device with size 7604 from 12.Feb.1997
but anyway i disable the load of usergroup.library in future ixemul on default.
If somebody like to use (and know for what this can be usefull in praxis)then he can set the env var ixUseUsergroupLibrary
I find maybe a Bug in ixemul file ixnet_open.c.when the usergroup.library is not find(see above source), then this line
p->u_networkprotocol = IX_NETWORK_AMITCP;
is not execute, so ixemul do not work without usergroup.library.
I check on my system with patchwork.here the io request of netinfo.device is alloc with 24 bytes size.and thats enough to get no memtrash
strange, what netinfo.device you have ?
exec.library CreateIORequest(0x10490B08,24)
Severity 3: size is too small
PC=10E90E24 TCB=10F2C0B0 ("netsurf")
Data: 00000018 FFBFFFFF 0000003A 0000FFFE 10F123AC 00000000 FFFFFFFF 00000001
Addr: 10490B08 10F2C0B0 104893E0 10490B08 1048EFC8 10AADDE4 100008D4 10119892
Stck: 10119892 10E90E28 00000001 00000000 104893E0 10118A60 101198CE 10033C98
Stck: 10AADDE4 00000000 104893E0 1FFFBD8C 100008D4 11018690 00FBF2FA 101198FA
----> 10E90E24 - "AmiTCP:devs/netinfo.device" Hunk 0000, Offset 00000144
exec.library CreateIORequest(0x10AADE40,24)
Severity 2: ioReplyPort not initialized
PC=10E9116A TCB=10EF4488 ("netinfo.device")
Data: 00000018 7FFFFFFF 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000001F 00000000
Addr: 10AADE40 10EF4488 00000000 10AADE40 1048EFC8 10AADDE4 100008D4 10EF54C4
Stck: 10EF54C4 10E9116E 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 10464CD0 100008D4
Stck: 1047F9B8 00000000 10E910E6 10AADDE4 10464CD0 00000000 00000000 10EF4488
----> 10E9116A - "AmiTCP:devs/netinfo.device" Hunk 0000, Offset 0000048A
exec.library CreateIORequest(0x10AADE40,24)
Severity 3: size is too small
PC=10E9116A TCB=10EF4488 ("netinfo.device")
Data: 00000018 7FFFFFFF 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000001F 00000000
Addr: 10AADE40 10EF4488 00000000 10AADE40 1048EFC8 10AADDE4 100008D4 10EF54C4
Stck: 10EF54C4 10E9116E 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 10464CD0 100008D4
Stck: 1047F9B8 00000000 10E910E6 10AADDE4 10464CD0 00000000 00000000 10EF4488
----> 10E9116A - "AmiTCP:devs/netinfo.device" Hunk 0000, Offset 0000048A
depth 32 hidden depth 32
Pixel Format 12
Pixel Format 12
Pixel Format 12
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>Yep, this happens over here too. And if you click on 'quick reply', netsurf selects 'quote'. >And all the buttons [fonts/quotes/link/etc] aren't selectable (javascript ?).
al amiga pages use Java script.I see that because on internet explorer you can switch it so that a reqeuster come and ask user if he want execute scripts.
to see if its java script miss Problem or not, you can use a modern browser and disable Java script and look it its same.
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I dont know how installer work, but the installer should ask if the option file should install.
most users have own options and the settings need change for a classic to get faster speed.
>But start-up doesn't appear to be any faster.
normaly netsurf start very fast.I get report that it show on a classic after 6 sec the startpage.what time you get ?
I get around the same 6-7 seconds. Start-up time for the most recent version and the previous one is aroudn the same. I don't detect any difference between the two versions.
@Artur - thanks for pointing out need to change the options file to set the download path. What other settings can I fiddle with in the options file other than screen size? Can I change the quick link buttons to show a different picture for each website? ie if I change the link in the options file for favourite_1 to http://www.bloomberg.com, how can I change the picture in NetSurf?
Weed
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to see if its java script miss Problem or not, you can use a modern browser and disable Java script and look it its same.
Firebug is much nicer.
x303 :D :D :D
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Much better :D thanks :D some problems, I just clicked amiaworld APC/TCP news item and I couldn't browse APC/TCP site? When I scrolled page down amigaword just popped back.
If you could squece little more speed, it would be totally useable :D
Speed is not equvalent to aweb but differense is not really big.
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Hm, i've noticed that when you set the WB to 8 bit (previously set as 32 bit), netsurf opens it's own screen and tries to open an 8 bit window too. Shouldn't this be set to 32 bit ? Next, netsurf crashes. Guru 80000004.
depth 8 hidden depth 8
bits per pixel 16 we want not
bits per pixel 16 we want not
bits per pixel 15 we want not
bits per pixel 32 we want not
bits per pixel 24 we want not
bits per pixel 8 ok
screen depth 8
window depth 8
Pixel Format 0
Pixel Format 0
Pixel Format 0
HWSURFACE create
bit 8 byte / Pixel 1 render buffer addr 153344E0
surface depth of SDL_VideoSurface 8
Using no Shadowsurface
x303 :D :D :D
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>Much better thanks some problems, I just clicked amiaworld APC/TCP news item and I >couldn't browse APC/TCP site? When I scrolled page down amigaword just popped back.
I test it and see that it seem not possible to show page correct when click on a banner.
maybe A User with OS4 netsurf can look if its on OS4 Version the same, to see if its a netsurf bug or a SDL Version Bug.
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Somebody can say to me wich its the minim system requeriments, request this NetSurf version.
regards
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there need a 16 bit screen.
can somebody post time values of show and scroll from top to down of the http://www.amigaworld.net Page by press of Cursor keys ?
Here are values that look really slow
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30109&start=0&post_id=523793&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=2#523673
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there need a 16 bit screen.
can somebody post time values of show and scroll from top to down of the http://www.amigaworld.net Page by press of Cursor keys ?
Here are values that look really slow
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30109&start=0&post_id=523793&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=2#523673
Bernd,
It took about 20s to follow the link to amigaworld.net and dislay the page. However when I scroll the page is corrupted (it becomes a mixture of A.org and amigaworld.net). This happens quite a bit when I follow links from A.Org.
A general observation is that Netsurf in a 800x600 window on a WB of 800x600, both betsurf and WB at 16bit is much slower than when I set the resolution of both at 1024x768 with 16 bit depth.
Weed.
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when i type in netsurf http://www.amigaworld.net it work ok.I see when click on the link the problem too.
I find now out that netsurf scroll is 3* faster when use 32 bit.if you use 16 bit wb, then this setting can help to start netsurf in fullscreen mode.
best is when user let run netsurf on 32 bit.
to do that change in Options file
fullscreen:1
and some lines below
fb_depth:32
>A general observation is that Netsurf in a 800x600 window on a WB of 800x600, both >betsurf and WB at 16bit is much slower than when I set the resolution of both at >1024x768 with 16 bit depth.
You mean when run netsurf only with 800 width do too slowdown ?
is possible because most pages are larger as 800 Pixel and so netsurf code need clip horizontal.
normaly netsurf should use at 1024 Pixel width so full Page can show without horizontal scroll.
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Running netsurf at 800 width is slower than at 1024, the clipping explains it.
Weed
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I find now out that netsurf scroll is 3* faster when use 32 bit.if you use 16 bit wb, then this setting can help to start netsurf in fullscreen mode.
best is when user let run netsurf on 32 bit.
its much faster. Only problem is my LCD monitor doesn't support the frequency I get from P96 and my CV64 3D in 32 bits. Best I can get is 800x600 32 bit.
Weed
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>its much faster. Only problem is my LCD monitor doesn't support the frequency I get from >P96 and my CV64 3D in 32 bits. Best I can get is 800x600 32 bit.
maybe you can create a custom resolution 1024*650 or so when your GFX Card have 4 megabyte ram.
But i see that a CV64 3D have 4 megabyte of ram and is able to do 1024*768*32 bit at 70 hz.
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/phase5_cybervision.html&cart_id=
If gfx Card have 2 megabyte ram, you can maybe create a resolution 1024*400*32 bit.
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there need a 16 bit screen.
can somebody post time values of show and scroll from top to down of the www.amigaworld.net (http://www.amigaworld.net) Page by press of Cursor keys ?
Here are values that look really slow
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30109&start=0&post_id=523793&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=2#523673
With me it also took about 7 seconds.
Netsurf is on a WB 1024x768-16 bits screen and the Netsurf window is 1024x768.
With the new version, scrolling is much smoother.
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>its much faster. Only problem is my LCD monitor doesn't support the frequency I get from >P96 and my CV64 3D in 32 bits. Best I can get is 800x600 32 bit.
maybe you can create a custom resolution 1024*650 or so when your GFX Card have 4 megabyte ram.
But i see that a CV64 3D have 4 megabyte of ram and is able to do 1024*768*32 bit at 70 hz.
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/phase5_cybervision.html&cart_id=
If gfx Card have 2 megabyte ram, you can maybe create a resolution 1024*400*32 bit.
Bernd thanks for this. The most i can get at 1024x768 @ 32 is 54.89 MHz. How can I find out how much memory is on the CV64-3D without opening up the box?
Weed
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if it is a CyberVision64/3D, it have 4 MB of videoram (theres no 2MB versions)
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I find now out when your GFX Card have a rgb16 screenmode scroll is faster as 32 bit.only a rgb16 pc screenmode is slow
if your screenmode requester offer a rgb16 before rgb16 pc mode, you can use fullscreen and set fb_depth:16. so you can workbench with rgb 16 PC mode.
when use newest winuae in expansion tab, there can set for Pixel mode all and winuae show all Pixel modes.so i cans simulate that on winuae too.
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@Artur:
The italian site http://ready64.org doesn't display the menu on the left side of the screen.
It works on FireFox (without Javascript). Maybe it's a problem with the rendering engine, in which case u should report it to Netsurf authors ?
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perhaps it is a known issue that netsurf engine has with frames?
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perhaps it is a known issue that netsurf engine has with frames?
The above site doesn't have any frames.
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The most i can get at 1024x768 @ 32 is 54.89 MHz. How can I find out how much memory is on the CV64-3D without opening up the box?
4 MB should be enough for 1024x768 @ 32. You may need to overclock to get a better refresh rate. The CV64/3D's I played with overclocked a lot. With P96 in Dev:Monitors/CVision3D set these icon tooltypes...
OVERCLOCK=YES
MEMORYCLOCK=70
You can try different memory clock values of course. Don't get carried away. You have to change the frequency of the mode in Picasso96Mode, too.
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I dont know if overclock is need.
what can get with 50 MHZ Pixelclock, is that not 1024*768*32 with at least 60 hz ?
I get now confirm at amigaworld.net that when set the workbench to a rgb16 mode and not to rgb 16 PC, netsurf scroll too in 2 sec on a classic system.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30109&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#524466
now seem clear, netsurf is not so slow because of SDL graphic and avoid SDL do not help.
graphic speed is boost at factor 3 on his systen, but he get no faster page load times.
but when look on his values they look very slow.maybe amitcp he use is slower
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I think the settings in the options file have a lot to do with the speed of netsurf.
I've made some test and played with the max fetchers settings, and again netseurf was a little faster.
Right now under winuae with a 1680x1050 32-bit wb screen and a 1024x768 netsurf window I use the following settings:
min_reflow_period:800
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:24
With the old settings, amiga.org used to load in 10 seconds. Now it loads in 6 seconds. Amigaworld.net loads in 3.4 seconds. Scrolling amigaworld.net takes 2 seconds.
On my classic, I have to use a really high setting of min reflow period.
Right now on my classic with a 1024x768 16-bit wb screen and a fullscreen netsurf I use the following settings:
min_reflow_period:1700
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:24
With the old settings, amiga.org used to load in 39 seconds. Now it loads in 32 seconds. Amigaworld.net loads in 17.4 seconds. Scrolling amigaworld.net takes 7 seconds.
If I use winuae without JIT and use the min_reflow period setting of my classic (1700), I get about the same loading times as on my classic.
I really think these settings depend on the speed of the system being used, so it may be worth it to try some other settings on your system, and see if it speeds up netsurf.
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Made a few more tests. Seems the max cached fetch settings doesn't seem to matter as much as I thought, so I changed it back to 4.
Also under winuae it's best to leave min_reflow_period on 500 (with or without jit).
Setting this on 1700 on my classic, wins me 2 seconds when loading amiga.org.
With these settings on my classic, the fastest time I got with loading amiga.org was 31.7. The fastest I got with amigaworld was 17.5
So these are my current winuae settings:
min_reflow_period:500
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
These are my current classic settings:
min_reflow_period:1700
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
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thanks for your results.
The time 17,5 is this load full page ?
what internet stack you use on classic(miami or amitcp) ?
the scroll speed 7 sec is because your GFX card do not support rbg15 mode (no PC)
what gfx Card you have ?
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The time 17,5 is this load full page ?
Yes, full page load of amigaworld.net is 17.5.
what internet stack you use on classic(miami or amitcp) ?
I use genesis.
the scroll speed 7 sec is because your GFX card do not support rbg15 mode (no PC)
what gfx Card you have ?
I have a picasso IV.
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incremental_reflow:0
min_reflow_period:1700
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
With these settings and the latest Netsurf, amiga.org is down to 20.3 seconds, fastest amigaworld was 16.2 (but usually takes longer). Lightweight sites like hardforum are roughly 10-13 seconds per page. :) Using Miami here.
I get now confirm at amigaworld.net that when set the workbench to a rgb16 mode and not to rgb 16 PC, netsurf scroll too in 2 sec on a classic system.
I'm also using a PIV and have the slow scrolling problem. (Fullscreen 1024x768, fb_depth:16) According to scout, Netsurf always picks the "PC" mode even though non-PC modes are available and working. Is there any other way to force Netsurf to use a particular screenmode/modeid?
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Yes, full page load of amigaworld.net is 17.5.
And after how many seconds does the page first show and load visible more data ?
the number of the fetchers is important that you can scroll the page before it is full load.
If you have too much fetches there is no time to scroll the page.
so try out to scroll page as soon it is show.most time to read a page or click on a link you need not wait until all is load.
>According to scout, Netsurf always picks the "PC" mode even though non-PC modes are >available and working.
you can maybe try a screenmode Promoter to choose a non PC 16 bit mode.but make sure that you dont change the depth and size of the promotet screen.
but anyway when i have time, i look wy it is so slow.when scroll there need only 10% of the screen new draw and byteswap.the rest of the image can copy 10% up or down with GFX Card blitter
so its strange wy the wrong pixel Mode slow so much down
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And after how many seconds does the page first show and load visible more data ?
After 12 sec
so try out to scroll page as soon it is show.most time to read a page or click on a link you need not wait until all is load.
With fetchers on 12 this slowed down a lot.
I set the fetchers on 8 and now scrolling is faster when the page is not fully loaded.
So if you want to scroll the page when the page is not fully loaded and still want a nice speedup, you can use the following settings:
incremental_reflow:0
min_reflow_period:1700
max_fetchers:8
max_fetchers_per_host:8
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
Edit: With these settings amiga.org takes 32.8 sec and amigaworld.net takes 17.7 sec
Scrolling when the page is not fully loaded is the fastest when setting the fetchers to 4, but then amiga.org loads in 37 sec.
Edit2: Setting the fetchers to 6 loads amiga.org in 33.8 sec
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you can maybe try a screenmode Promoter to choose a non PC 16 bit mode.but make sure that you dont change the depth and size of the promotet screen.
but anyway when i have time, i look wy it is so slow.when scroll there need only 10% of the screen new draw and byteswap.the rest of the image can copy 10% up or down with GFX Card blitter
so its strange wy the wrong pixel Mode slow so much down
Thanks Bernd, I used modepro and was able to select the non-PC mode. However, strangely the scrolling is equally slow in PC or non-PC modes, either window or fullscreen.
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maybe you look in scout at the screen and screenmode ID, if thats really a rgb16 screen and no rgb16 PC.
or the P4 do not support this really and work in both modes same.
what do you use P96 or CGX ?
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maybe you look in scout at the screen and screenmode ID, if thats really a rgb16 screen and no rgb16 PC.
I checked with scout, and it does use the rgb16 mode.
or the P4 do not support this really and work in both modes same.
I think you are right, or maybe the rgb16 modes don't work correctly. For example - when I run powericons in rgb16 PC, everything is OK. If I select rgb16, the icons are trashed for some reason.
what do you use P96 or CGX ?
P96.
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@Damion & Bernd
When I set the screenmode to a non-pc mode and use a netsurf-window of 800x600, scrolling of amigaworld.net takes 2-3 seconds.
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I'm still waiting someone to do a MUI version. This won't be Bernd, as he's patiently waiting for javascript and dom support to be added. :)
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work done by Artur & Bernd. Yet I ( and lots of people) won't fire up the Amiga Workbench to go to Google Maps, they just want to have a "passable" (ie, with proper layout, which NetSurf already has) surfing experience those times they want to use their miggies.
My 2 cents!
Now, I'm going back to AWeb with its EXCEPTIONAL Arexx host which can do magic even these days.
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What is difference 16 bit and 16 bit PC ???
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@Damion & Bernd
When I set the screenmode to a non-pc mode and use a netsurf-window of 800x600, scrolling of amigaworld.net takes 2-3 seconds.
Tried that here and got the same result - 800x600 rgb16 screen with an 800x600 window has much faster scrolling. Strangely, scrolling is slow with any other screenmode (fullscreen or window), including 1024x768 w/an 800x600 window, or even plain 800x600 rgb16 fullscreen.
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Strangely, scrolling is slow with any other screenmode (fullscreen or window), including 1024x768 w/an 800x600 window, or even plain 800x600 rgb16 fullscreen.
I've only tried a 1024x768 non-pc 16bits screenmode, and with a netsurf window of 1024x768 scrolling is slow again.
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I've only tried a 1024x768 non-pc 16bits screenmode, and with a netsurf window of 1024x768 scrolling is slow again.
Scrolls fastest for me using a 1024 x 768 16 bit screen mode with NetSurf Window set to 1024 x 768. Setting NetSurf window to 800 x 600 slows scrollijg down considerably due to the clipping required.
Weed.
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Bummer, the slow scrolling issue seems (at least partially) to be a bug in P96 with the PIV.
A little weird to explain, but I'll do my best.
If you boot WB using a 1024x768x16 screenmode, and run p96speed using the same mode, you'll get very slow results in the following tests:
BlitBitMap()
BlitBitMapRastPort()
Between about 400 and 800 in each test.
However, if you start WB in 800x600, then start p96speed and select the 1024x768x16 test screenmode, everything changes. Here on my A2000:
BlitBitMap() - 5660
BlitBitMapRastPort() - 5256
It's the same with Netsurf. If you change screenmodes a few times, eventually the 1024x768x16 mode will start "working" correctly, and Netsurf scrolling will be fast - but only with an 800x600 window. If your screen is 1024x768 from boot, Netsurf will scroll very slowly.
The problem is still there even with a clean 3.1 install and old p96 drivers... (however, I was able to cure the icon trashing problem mentioned in an earlier post, by switching to an earlier version of rtg.library). I'll try with cgx soon and see what happens.
Hope that made sense. :/
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>If your screen is 1024x768 from boot, Netsurf will scroll very slowly.
I think the problem is the 4 megabyte GFX Mem only.SDL need a mirror map that is on GFX Card.
1024*768 are 1,6 megabyte of GFX ram.
this mirror map is used so a scroll work well when the netsurf window is partly cover by other windows.
if you open a WB then you need too 1,6 megabyte GFX Ram.so you need 3,2 megabyte of GFX RAM.that can all run well but....
Have you background images that need lots of RAM ?
If you have a background image that is show in this 1024*768 size, need too 1,6 megabyte of GFX RAM.and thats too much.and when you load another wb lister background thats again 1,6 megabytes.
maybe you use only small tiles instead of a full picture as background, this can save you lots mem.maybe this help also that the p96speed benchmark run always fast.when teh bench run slow, then P96 begin to move out GFX data to amiga ram or do not alow malloc of data in GFX Card ram and then its go slow
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Is it posible to run Netsurf on it's own separate screen ? IIRC there was a Workbench preferences option to keep offscreen gfx on ram, maybe combining both would work.
My A4000T is with it's guts open again, I'll try it as soon as I have the patience to assemble it ...
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Hi Bernd,
>If your screen is 1024x768 from boot, Netsurf will scroll very slowly.
I think the problem is the 4 megabyte GFX Mem only.SDL need a mirror map that is on GFX Card.
1024*768 are 1,6 megabyte of GFX ram.
this mirror map is used so a scroll work well when the netsurf window is partly cover by other windows.
if you open a WB then you need too 1,6 megabyte GFX Ram.so you need 3,2 megabyte of GFX RAM.that can all run well but....
Have you background images that need lots of RAM ?
If you have a background image that is show in this 1024*768 size, need too 1,6 megabyte of GFX RAM.and thats too much.and when you load another wb lister background thats again 1,6 megabytes.
maybe you use only small tiles instead of a full picture as background, this can save you lots mem.maybe this help also that the p96speed benchmark run always fast.when teh bench run slow, then P96 begin to move out GFX data to amiga ram or do not alow malloc of data in GFX Card ram and then its go slow
Thanks Bernd, seems you are correct.
If I start with a 1024x768 rgb16 screenmode with no background and close all windows, I can open Netsurf in a 1024x768 window, and scrolling is much faster. :)
The two blitting operations in p96speed are still slow, no matter what, unless I boot in a different screenmode, or switching between modes sometimes "fixes" it. (Same results as selecting "NoBlitter=No", but of course all tests are slowed down then as well.) However, this seems to just be the effect of running low on VRAM. This also explains why the slow blit ops are twice as fast (but still slow) on the A3000/PIV, because the data is being copied across a faster bus.
Thanks again for explaining, and helping to get this figured out.
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If you boot WB using a 1024x768x16 screenmode, and run p96speed using the same mode, you'll get very slow results in the following tests:
BlitBitMap()
BlitBitMapRastPort()
Between about 400 and 800 in each test.
However, if you start WB in 800x600, then start p96speed and select the 1024x768x16 test screenmode, everything changes. Here on my A2000:
BlitBitMap() - 5660
BlitBitMapRastPort() - 5256
Hope that made sense. :/
On my a4000 I bootup with a 1024x768x16 screenmode.
When I run the blitbitmap tests I get:
BlitBitMap() - 5415
BlitBitMapRastPort() - 4540
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>Same results as selecting "NoBlitter=No
this is the setting that should use and then Hardware Blit work.
when set NoBlitter=YES then the P96 bitblit test should go slow.
@MozzerFan
You can show amigaworld page faster than other.Have you cyberpatcher or oxypatcher install ?
.maybe that speed up things. netsurf is compile for 68040.
>Is it posible to run Netsurf on it's own separate screen ?
yes, see old posts here, but there are reports that also with screenmode promoter and rgb16 it scroll not fast.
maybe P96 do not remove the workbench screen and background pictures. also when there is another screen open.
then need 1,6 megabyte wb screen 1,6 megabyte background but now a 1,6 megabyte new screen and when the 1,6 megabyte mirror map for SDL is alloc it get no data on GFX Card mem.
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@MozzerFan
You can show amigaworld page faster than other.Have you cyberpatcher or oxypatcher install ?
.maybe that speed up things. netsurf is compile for 68040.
Yes, I run Cyberpatcher.
But I just ran Netsurf without Cyberpatcher and I get the same speed.
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@Bernd
I think the speed of a full page load with Netsurf heavily depends on the ISP and where you are located.
For example, Damion can load amiga.org in 20 sec. The fastest I got was 31.5 sec.
Amigaworld.net always loads fast (between 17.5 - 18.5 sec), except when my other family members are using the internet quite heavily (watching videos).
Edit: If I visit some asian webpage, it's very very very slow even on my PC. I think if I try this on my classic, it would take forever.
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"maybe P96 do not remove the workbench screen and background pictures. also when there is another screen open"
I think there was an option for that but I can't try at the moment...
Maybe someone with CGX can test that...
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@Bernd
Maybe the person who has slow page load times with amigaworld can try with Ibrowse to see if that is much faster. If it is, there must be something else going on.
With Ibrowse I get a full pageload of amigaworld.net in 10 sec.
Edit: In Ibrowse I disabled the diskcache. With diskcache enabled it loads in 7 sec.
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>Same results as selecting "NoBlitter=No
this is the setting that should use and then Hardware Blit work.
when set NoBlitter=YES then the P96 bitblit test should go slow.
Oops! Sorry, I meant that the 2 p96speed slow blit ops are excactly as slow if I set NoBlitter=Yes, meaning that when it's goofing off, the blitter isn't being used on these 2 (while the rest work OK). Naturally, NoBlitter=No is normally set.
On my a4000 I bootup with a 1024x768x16 screenmode.
When I run the blitbitmap tests I get:
BlitBitMap() - 5415
BlitBitMapRastPort() - 4540
Thanks for checking. I have to "reset" the screen first (like changing fonts, etc) to get the faster numbers. I gave up tracking it down for now... tried just about everything. I don't think it's affecting anything else, or related to the slow scrolling problem after all - I can confirm a 1024x768x16 Netsurf window will scroll quickly, if enough VRAM is free.
BTW - using MuRedox here. I can't detect a speed improvement either, but it's definitely doing something.
Typical "MuRedox SHOWPATCHEDINSTRS" output while running Netsurf (which might as well be Chinese to me):
04f228cc : 4c3c 2401 0000 0000 mulu.l #$0,d1:d2 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c3c 6c04 0000 0000 muls.l #$0,d4:d6 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c3c 1403 0000 0000 mulu.l #$0,d3:d1 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c3c 5c01 0000 0000 muls.l #$0,d1:d5 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c3c 1c03 0000 0000 muls.l #$0,d3:d1 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c12 3c00 muls.l (a2),d0:d3 ;extended opcode
etc
I agree that ISP and location matters. On rare occasions, amigaworld will load in under 20 seconds, while usually it's 25-35s. Fastest amiga.org was 19.8s.
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Now, I'm going back to AWeb with its EXCEPTIONAL Arexx host which can do magic even these days.
I totally agree with your posting and AWeb is brilliant! Only wish it had at least some css-support :)
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*bump*
What Do I have to do to get this thing to actually work?
I've got OS3.9, both boing bags and mui installed. it asks for ixemul.library. There's a file called "install" but clicking that brings up editpad.
Am I missing something obvious?
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Oops! Sorry, I meant that the 2 p96speed slow blit ops are excactly as slow if I set NoBlitter=Yes, meaning that when it's goofing off, the blitter isn't being used on these 2 (while the rest work OK). Naturally, NoBlitter=No is normally set.
Thanks for checking. I have to "reset" the screen first (like changing fonts, etc) to get the faster numbers. I gave up tracking it down for now... tried just about everything. I don't think it's affecting anything else, or related to the slow scrolling problem after all - I can confirm a 1024x768x16 Netsurf window will scroll quickly, if enough VRAM is free.
BTW - using MuRedox here. I can't detect a speed improvement either, but it's definitely doing something.
Typical "MuRedox SHOWPATCHEDINSTRS" output while running Netsurf (which might as well be Chinese to me):
04f228cc : 4c3c 2401 0000 0000 mulu.l #$0,d1:d2 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c3c 6c04 0000 0000 muls.l #$0,d4:d6 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c3c 1403 0000 0000 mulu.l #$0,d3:d1 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c3c 5c01 0000 0000 muls.l #$0,d1:d5 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c3c 1c03 0000 0000 muls.l #$0,d3:d1 ;extended opcode
04f228cc : 4c12 3c00 muls.l (a2),d0:d3 ;extended opcode
etc
I agree that ISP and location matters. On rare occasions, amigaworld will load in under 20 seconds, while usually it's 25-35s. Fastest amiga.org was 19.8s.
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could you please run FFplay_060fpu from the Aminet (with some random mpg and avi file) and see if MuRedox outputs any unsupported instructions?
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@hell lbs:
head to amiga.sf for your copy of bernds ixemul.library >61.x. be sure to backup your current ixemul in case you would have any complaints about the new version. one never knows.
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@hell lbs:
head to amiga.sf for your copy of bernds ixemul.library >61.x. be sure to backup your current ixemul in case you would have any complaints about the new version. one never knows.
Is that http://amiga.sourceforge.net/ ?
that site's kind of broken, but I've found a mystery tar.bz2 file. Dunno what's in it.
EDIT: turns out the file had some completely unrelated program in it. Joy of joys. I think someone out there is fucking with me, trueman show style.
EDIT2: I've found a file called ixemul-62.1-m68k.lha. I've unpacked it, but can't install because it wants the files to go in a fictional GG: drive. :angry:
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EDIT2: I've found a file called ixemul-62.1-m68k.lha. I've unpacked it, but can't install because it wants the files to go in a fictional GG: drive. :angry:
Just copy ixemul.library & ixnet.library to libs: manually.
x303 :D :D :D
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Just copy ixemul.library & ixnet.library to libs: manually.
x303 :D :D :D
Funny you say that, I've done some googling and got the answer that I should install GeekGadgets. Worth a shot anyway.
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yeeah, x303 must be right, ive forgot, but its obviously included in netsurf archive.
have no probs to open http://amiga.sourceforge.net/ here anyway. (?)
edit: you dont need gg.
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Funny you say that, I've done some googling and got the answer that I should install GeekGadgets. Worth a shot anyway.
Installing geekgadgets is only for compiling (*nix) stuff, not for running netsurf.
x303 :D :D :D
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Installing geekgadgets is only for compiling (*nix) stuff, not for running netsurf.
x303 :D :D :D
Well fair enough. I moved the files like you said, now netsurf tells me : 68040 math emulation code not found.
??????
and then I click "abort", and then it says:
need at least version 61 of ixemul.library.
Which it has. Because I put it there. In accordance with your instructions.
FINAL EDIT: I owe x303 a beer or two. I might also write a guide on getting this thing to work.
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Well fair enough. I moved the files like you said, now netsurf tells me : 68040 math emulation code not found.
??????
and then I click "abort", and then it says:
need at least version 61 of ixemul.library.
Which it has. Because I put it there. In accordance with your instructions.
Which machine do you have in the first place ? Sounds like you don't have 68040.library in libs:
x303 :D :D :D
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Which machine do you have in the first place ? Sounds like you don't have 68040.library in libs:
x303 :D :D :D
Winuae.
68040 with FPU and JIT turned on, AGA, 8mb fast + 128MB Z3 fast ram, 2mb chip, rom version 3.1 and 32mb RTG.
So i'm looking to copy a file from the OS3.9 disk or something?
EDIT: oh joy, it's not booting any more. Now it just sits at a black screen. Any ideas, or Should I just put it on the list of stuff I've failed to do, like find employment and learn guitar?
That guitar was expensive, too. Shame I'll take such a huge loss If I sell it.
EDIT2: deleted the files i copied out of the libs folder that came with netsurf. It actually boots now.
EDIT3: Installed 68040.library and rebooted. It had no effect.
Incase you were wondering, I also have a nice little window pop up afterwards saying "netsurf failed returncode 20"
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We're going off topic with winuae questions. PM sent.
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@ami stuff
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could you please run FFplay_060fpu from the Aminet (with some random mpg and avi file) and see if MuRedox outputs any unsupported instructions?
Ran the latest aminet ffplay_060fpu, no hits whatsoever with muredox.
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@ami stuff
Ran the latest aminet ffplay_060fpu, no hits whatsoever with muredox.
Great! Thanks.
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Winuae.
68040 with FPU and JIT turned on, AGA, 8mb fast + 128MB Z3 fast ram, 2mb chip, rom version 3.1 and 32mb RTG.
You need a 68040.library that is install from AOS.the one i have is from 1994 and 43.888 bytes in size.
but when you move files from a classic 68060 install you have a 68040.library that want load the 68060.library
if you want use that you can choose as CPU 68060 in winuae.then it should work as before.
but never switch on in winuae 68060 CPU if you have not the phase 5 or from somebody else 68040 and 68060 library install
also i think best is use 68040, if you notice any problems in winuae 060 mode.
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I've got it working. I'm going to write a tutorial by the weekend, so others doing the same thing won't have as much trouble as me.
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Here is a program that show what PixelModes your GFX Card support.seem not all Amiga GFX Card choose the in the CGX Manual suggestet RGB16 Pixelmode for screens.And when this is not done, data need convert and slow all down.
I change now in test SDL so it ask for a Pixelmode that the GFX Card support.This work ok with P96 and Voodoo 3.
maybe there is some common pixel Mode all GFX Cards support.The test can run from shell and check if a mode id is here for RGB16, RGB16PC and BGR16PC
winuae can support screens in RGB16 and RGB16PC when choose in Page expansions the mode all.
when use RGB16 also SDL games run 60% faster on winuae.
Here can download and should start from shell
http://www.daten-transport.de/?id=D2npn5h4tcyW
so please post values you get and the GFX Card you use.If you have CFX and P96 install and you are able to post both values, its also usefull to see what P96 and CFX do.
Try also the test 2* to see if the values are the same
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The new version of NetSurf doesn't work for me.
I have set it to appear in its own screen and this works with version 1.3. In this one, it opens a black window in the WorkBench screen, the navigation bar appears very messed up after a couple of second and then it crashes.
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The new version of NetSurf doesn't work for me.
I have set it to appear in its own screen and this works with version 1.3. In this one, it opens a black window in the WorkBench screen, the navigation bar appears very messed up after a couple of second and then it crashes.
Are you using the same settings that you were using for 1.3? I did clean install of 1.4 (ie haven't tweaked the settings at all) and 1.4 runs fine.
1.4 looks nicer in terms of GUI but I don't think its any faster in terms of page loading etc. t least not on my 060 A4000D.
Weed
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Are you using the same settings that you were using for 1.3?
Yes.
I did clean install of 1.4 (ie haven't tweaked the settings at all) and 1.4 runs fine.
I can't test this right now. I will ASAP and see what will happen.
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Ok. I decompressed the archive and ran NetSurf without touching anything. It works.
Either the options of 1.3 version are not compatible with the new version or version 1.4 doesn't like some of my settings.
Update: I did a little research on the problem. I think there is a bug in the new version and it is triggered by the fullscreen setting!
When it is set to 0, everything works ok. When it is set to 1, NetSurf insists to open in a window at the WorkBench screen. All graphics inside the window appear very messed up and when i quit, i get the message "free: start of block corrupt!" from ixemul. Changing the fb_depth doesn't help.
None of this occurs in version 1.3.
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I've just tried setting fullscreen:1 and it works without a hitch. When I exit by pessing esape it returns to workbench without any error messages.
Have you altered any other settings?
Weed
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No.
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Will there be MUI /reaction version of netsurf?
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>Update: I did a little research on the problem. I think there is a bug in the new version >and it is triggered by the fullscreen setting!
>When it is set to 0, everything works ok. When it is set to 1, NetSurf insists to open in a >window at the WorkBench screen.
too bad, before i post a link to test what pixel mode the gfy cards of the user support, but nobody test this and give feedback.
to see what happen look in sashimi output what sdl tell you.
maybe your GFX Card driver is broken in some kind and report SDL that there is a RGB16 screenmode, but you have none.
I see that happen on a SPectrum GFX Card on CGX.I use then iscybermode id and so i can see that the mode report is wrong.
maybe you can do the pixelmode test from shell and post results and your GFX Card
http://www.daten-transport.de/?id=yXDfJTmY7sMG
To get netsurf fast scroll you need a GFX Card that support RGB16 mode (pixel Format 7)
and need this settings for fullscreen
fullscreen:1
window_depth:16
or you can run your workbench in a RGB16 pixelmode and use netsurf on window