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Title: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: Amiduffer on November 11, 2009, 06:40:53 AM
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/vgm/1460381592.html

This guy is claiming to have an XBox with emulated games of a pretty large selection of retro systems. But to claim that he has EVERY game made for Amiga, NES, Sega, Intellivision, etc. on a 250 gig HD makes me rather doubtful.
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: J-Golden on November 11, 2009, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: Amiduffer;529128
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/vgm/1460381592.html

This guy is claiming to have an XBox with emulated games of a pretty large selection of retro systems. But to claim that he has EVERY game made for Amiga, NES, Sega, Intellivision, etc. on a 250 gig HD makes me rather doubtful.


Well, most of the games for those systems are rather small.  But I agree, that is a rather BOLD statement...  Maybe he should say I have every game from "X" website on a 250 Gig. HD.

Either which way, he is promoting piracy so I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: jj on November 11, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: J-Golden;529146
Well, most of the games for those systems are rather small. But I agree, that is a rather BOLD statement... Maybe he should say I have every game from "X" website on a 250 Gig. HD.
 
Either which way, he is promoting piracy so I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Plus it looks like its not running XBMC, which is probably the best media player on any system I have used to date.
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: mbueler on November 11, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: Amiduffer;529128
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/vgm/1460381592.html

This guy is claiming to have an XBox with emulated games of a pretty large selection of retro systems. But to claim that he has EVERY game made for Amiga, NES, Sega, Intellivision, etc. on a 250 gig HD makes me rather doubtful.
IIRC zipped ADF`s worked,and dont forget about AmigaSYS for xbox along WHDLoad & KGWHD - Preinstalled WHDLoad Packs.
IMOHO on 250gb hd Yes for sure 100%
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: Tension on November 11, 2009, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: J-Golden;529146
Well, most of the games for those systems are rather small.  But I agree, that is a rather BOLD statement...  Maybe he should say I have every game from "X" website on a 250 Gig. HD.

Either which way, he is promoting piracy so I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.


In these days where everything is wrong, and we are preparing for austerity, and we are bailing out greedy banks and corporations, and the politicians are thieves,  I say 'UP THE PIRATES!!'

I personally love the fact that I can get stuff for free on the internet, and if it hurts a big money grabbing corporation, then all the better.

They have been shafting us for years.  Fuck that, i`m out to get my own back.

In a few short years there will be nothing for free on the net.  

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may!
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: Methuselas on November 11, 2009, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: Tension;529163
In these days where everything is wrong, and we are preparing for austerity, and we are bailing out greedy banks and corporations, and the politicians are thieves,  I say 'UP THE PIRATES!!'

I personally love the fact that I can get stuff for free on the internet, and if it hurts a big money grabbing corporation, then all the better.

They have been shafting us for years.  Fuck that, i`m out to get my own back.

In a few short years there will be nothing for free on the net.  

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may!

*bats eyelashes*


My hero!!!

:laughing:
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: AmigaHeretic on November 11, 2009, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: Tension;529163

In a few short years there will be nothing for free on the net.  


That's not true.  I promise never to charge for naked pictures of myself on the Internet.  

Here's a freebie:
(http://www.speaking-up.com/blog/wp-content/fat-guy-smoking.jpg)
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: Homer on November 11, 2009, 05:18:02 PM
Amiga Heretic: You may not charge for the pictures, but we may have to charge you for the therapy that we now need :lol:
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: save2600 on November 11, 2009, 05:18:03 PM
'Every game'... they are relatively small files, but... lol

I run into Atari 2600 owners all the time that would claim they used to have "every" game out for it back then. You'd poke and prod a little when they'd proudly tell you that yeah... they only had 30-50 titles! But somehow, that was "every" single game to them... lol
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: Amiduffer on November 11, 2009, 05:47:53 PM
Any idea how much space is needed if you were to install every single game produced for the Amiga? Even the crappy ones?
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: Tension on November 11, 2009, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: Amiduffer;529172
Any idea how much space is needed if you were to install every single game produced for the Amiga? Even the crappy ones?


I hear that to install the AGA version of 'Peter`s Quest - For the love of Daphne' takes over 500 Mb alone!!
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: save2600 on November 11, 2009, 06:10:48 PM
Quote from: Homer;529169
Amiga Heretic: You may not charge for the pictures, but we may have to charge you for the therapy that we now need :lol:

Is that slob drinking a Hacker Pschorr? Great beer, but you don't drink that out of the bottle  ;-)  lol  But geez... even the LCD in America isn't that classy. They'd be drinking Milwaukee's Best out of the can! lol
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: save2600 on November 11, 2009, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: Tension;529173
I hear that to install the AGA version of 'Peter`s Quest - For the love of Daphne' takes over 500 Mb alone!!


Holy smokes! 500mb? I had to re-read that a couple of times. Personally. I wouldn't even want to install a 500mb game, let alone trudge through one. Total Chaos clocks in at somewhere around 20-25mb and that game plays like a dog on anything less than an 060.

And the hundreds, if not thousands of games on that whdownload site seems to be around the 3.5gb range for ALL of them. I bet that's how the guy is judging a systems software library though. Sites like that *must* be complete, no? lol
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: LoadWB on November 11, 2009, 08:30:09 PM
Wow.  You an hero.
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: joetee on November 11, 2009, 09:02:57 PM
" Anyone one got a 23 - 15 pin (mac style) video pass-through cable for my Firecracker24?"
I have several for each of the FC24's I have, so I cant spare one, but I will take one apart and post the connector-2-connecto pinout.
 IMNSHO, The FC24 has THE BEST RGB @ NTSC freqs ever made - owning, and using that card has made me tens of thousands of dollars in the 90's using AdPro, ImageFX, and Imagine.  You really need the cable so you can genlock and use 2+ FC24's at a time, or overlay dPaint animations or cyclecolor effects on top of pixel perfect 24 bit backgrounds.

The RGB&H&V connector pinouts will be easy, but as I recall the 28M genlock signal is going to be the trickiest conduit for you to replicate - it was a pretty custom cable - dont even think of extending the length of it with a 15pin joystick extender cable!!!
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: SamuraiCrow on November 11, 2009, 10:07:20 PM
Quote from: save2600;529177
Holy smokes! 500mb? I had to re-read that a couple of times. Personally. I wouldn't even want to install a 500mb game, let alone trudge through one. Total Chaos clocks in at somewhere around 20-25mb and that game plays like a dog on anything less than an 060.
That's just the memory requirement for Total Chaos AGA.  The hard-drive requirement is closer to 150 MB once all of the music is unpacked after the initial run.
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: Amiduffer on November 11, 2009, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: joetee;529193
" Anyone one got a 23 - 15 pin (mac style) video pass-through cable for my Firecracker24?"
I have several for each of the FC24's I have, so I cant spare one, but I will take one apart and post the connector-2-connecto pinout.
 IMNSHO, The FC24 has THE BEST RGB @ NTSC freqs ever made - owning, and using that card has made me tens of thousands of dollars in the 90's using AdPro, ImageFX, and Imagine.  You really need the cable so you can genlock and use 2+ FC24's at a time, or overlay dPaint animations or cyclecolor effects on top of pixel perfect 24 bit backgrounds.

The RGB&H&V connector pinouts will be easy, but as I recall the 28M genlock signal is going to be the trickiest conduit for you to replicate - it was a pretty custom cable - dont even think of extending the length of it with a 15pin joystick extender cable!!!


That is so cool! How in heck did you use two at the same time? That's pretty neat that use put it to such good use. Do you have any examples of your work available to view?

If you look in my picture section, you can see a cable that I made so that you can hook up a Zip drive to your parallel & joystick ports. I have minor skills in soldering, so I wouldn't mind a challenge to make a cable like that. Heck, a few people I know would probably buy them if I could make them.

Sadly, just as someone sent me the pinouts recently, I had to move to Los Angeles, and all my Amiga equipment is in storage up in Oakland, with no room here to set them up.
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: save2600 on November 11, 2009, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: SamuraiCrow;529194
That's just the memory requirement for Total Chaos AGA.  The hard-drive requirement is closer to 150 MB once all of the music is unpacked after the initial run.


Right you are! Whoops, how could I have gotten that mixed up? lol  I'll go cower away now... lol   But my point still being  :P
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: pwermonger on November 11, 2009, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: Amiduffer;529128
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/vgm/1460381592.html
 
This guy is claiming to have an XBox with emulated games of a pretty large selection of retro systems. But to claim that he has EVERY game made for Amiga, NES, Sega, Intellivision, etc. on a 250 gig HD makes me rather doubtful.

 
Actually not that dubious. I think all the Amiga ADFs fit in about 20-30GB. Intellivision wont take much, probably fit on a CD with space to spare for 2600, Coleco and others.
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: rkauer on November 13, 2009, 03:10:03 AM
Quote from: save2600;529177
Holy smokes! 500mb? I had to re-read that a couple of times. Personally. I wouldn't even want to install a 500mb game, let alone trudge through one. Total Chaos clocks in at somewhere around 20-25mb and that game plays like a dog on anything less than an 060.

And the hundreds, if not thousands of games on that whdownload site seems to be around the 3.5gb range for ALL of them. I bet that's how the guy is judging a systems software library though. Sites like that *must* be complete, no? lol

 I use to play Total chaos in an "ordinary" 030 @50MHz (128Mb RAM). OK, was not a speed demon, but works!:)
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: save2600 on November 13, 2009, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: rkauer;529374
I use to play Total chaos in an "ordinary" 030 @50MHz (128Mb RAM). OK, was not a speed demon, but works!:)


I just remembered I did not have an FPU on my 40mhz/030/128mb - does yours? I am not exaggerating when I say it took several minutes for the program, upon startup, to load and decrunch all the sounds. I wanna say it took at least 10 minutes, maybe 15. And then, when it finally did load up, was prone to crashing my system  :-(
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: ChaosLord on November 13, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
Quote from: save2600;529402
I just remembered I did not have an FPU on my 40mhz/030/128mb - does yours? I am not exaggerating when I say it took several minutes for the program, upon startup, to load and decrunch all the sounds.

You know that in order to play any game it must be decrunched first right?

You know that LHA does not crunch sounds nearly as well as the dedicated soundcruncher that Total Chaos uses, right?

You know that if you play the game 1000 times, the decrunch only happens once, the very first time, right?

You know that the 030 was released in 1987 and is VERY old and slow by Amiga standards, right?

You know that the 030 has a pathetically puny amount of L1 cache, right?  It has only 000000000.25K of Data cache and the same tiny amount of Instruction cache.  A cache that small is 97% useless for the audio compressor.  You need an L1 cache that is large enough to hold the main loop.  An 040 has 16x larger caches and is a much better choice.


I did not write the audio cruncher/decruncher so the FPU version is massively faster than the integer version.  I hired x303 to make me a faster version, just for you. :)  

I could release an uncrunched version but then Aminet would complain that it was "too big".

I could release an uncrunched version but then people who live in communist countries, who are forced by their government to pay $$$ for every single minute that they use dialup, complain at me very loudly that the game is "too big".



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I wanna say it took at least 10 minutes, maybe 15.
We added a lot of new music, speech and soundfx to the newest game in the Total Chaos series (Total Chaos 7).  It will take a lot longer than that to decrunch on a slow old 030.  An 040 goes around 9x faster at decrunching and an 060 goes around 18x faster.

A highly fragemented hard drive slows it down also.
Refusing to use TLSFmem slows things down a lot too.



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And then, when it finally did load up, was prone to crashing my system  :-(
Using my psychic powers :D I will predict that you are running the game on an SFS partition.  That is the only way I know of to reliably crash the game on an Amiga Real Machine.

Could you please describe the crash?  Could you make it happen?  Or was it just random?

If there is any sort of bug in the game that is my fault then I will happily fix it for you. :)
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: scuzzb494 on November 13, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
Quote from: Tension;529163
In these days where everything is wrong, and we are preparing for austerity, and we are bailing out greedy banks and corporations, and the politicians are thieves,  I say 'UP THE PIRATES!!'

I personally love the fact that I can get stuff for free on the internet, and if it hurts a big money grabbing corporation, then all the better.

They have been shafting us for years.  Fuck that, i`m out to get my own back.

In a few short years there will be nothing for free on the net.  

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may!


Sadly your attitude is just wrong on so many levels. And kinda sad after all these years that piracy has still not been adequately dealt with when considering the creative works of people. The truth is that it has gotten so out of hand it's almost become acceptable by the masses. It is theft, and has nothing to do with banks. Getting stuff free, as you put it, on the internet is OK if given out with consent and circulated free. Thing is in the majority of cases it's not. Often the author and or owner has no knowledge that his work is being distributed for free. If you want something, enjoy something, use something then you should honour the basics of purposeful enterprise and pay the provider. Otherwise, as I say it is theft and all that do this should be called to task.

If this matter is not sorted soon then even stricter control of the internet will become inevitable and we will lose the freedom of the most wonderful resource ever created. And all because of a greed concept based on something for nothing.

Never mind.

scuzz
Title: Re: Dubious claim on Craigslist
Post by: Tension on November 14, 2009, 02:20:10 AM
Quote from: scuzzb494;529464
sadly your attitude is just wrong on so many levels. And kinda sad after all these years that piracy has still not been adequately dealt with when considering the creative works of people. The truth is that it has gotten so out of hand it's almost become acceptable by the masses. It is theft, and has nothing to do with banks. Getting stuff free, as you put it, on the internet is ok if given out with consent and circulated free. Thing is in the majority of cases it's not. Often the author and or owner has no knowledge that his work is being distributed for free. If you want something, enjoy something, use something then you should honour the basics of purposeful enterprise and pay the provider. Otherwise, as i say it is theft and all that do this should be called to task.

If this matter is not sorted soon then even stricter control of the internet will become inevitable and we will lose the freedom of the most wonderful resource ever created. And all because of a greed concept based on something for nothing.

Never mind.

Scuzz


lol