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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Piru on November 07, 2009, 03:45:24 PM
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Here's a video I shot some time ago. It shows my PowerBook G4 system (http://www.sintonen.fi/hw.html) booting up the MorphOS 3.0 (development branch):
PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4 (http://www.sintonen.fi/video/misc/PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4)
Please note that this isn't official confirmation of any kind. A lot of support infrastructure for laptop usage is still missing, as well as some drivers.
PS. Sorry for the poor video quality.
PPS. We don't need any beta testers for the PowerBook version for now.
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Is it too hard to answer right now yes or no if this is planned to come in the future?
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Looking good! I imagine a touchpad driver is one of the pending challenges.
Is there anything I can do to help make this an official confirmation? Donations? Moral support? Epic poems in your honor? :)
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Any chance that you could give us the specs of your Powerbook? :)
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At least MorfOS guys let news slip out on the net now and then, kudos to you guys who let the community take a sneak peak into the future! (some companies such as those beginning with an H and ending with an N could learn a lot).
MorphOS f"n rulez if you ask me, as a user it is as good as OS4.1, if H and N company fails to persuade my continued interest in 4.1 by providing high end hardware in 6 months a G4 powerbook with MorphOS will be my main next gen Amiga, and I will proudly call it Amiga even to stubborn AmigaOS4.x diehards...
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Any chance that you could give us the specs of your Powerbook? :)
Take a look at his homepage.. it is 1.67 GHz and 2GB mem I think.
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Take a look at his homepage.. it is 1.67 GHz and 2GB mem I think.
Yep. Looks like a top-o'-the-line 15" model.
(The adorable little 12" version uses a different graphics chip, unfortunately, so I don't think we'll be seeing support for that any time soon.)
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Would love to run MorphOS on the 17" Powerbook. But I think I will settle for the 15", better get a good deal now than to wait untill the release :)
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Would love to run MorphOS on the 17" Powerbook. But I think I will settle for the 15", better get a good deal now than to wait untill the release :)
I think the 15" and 17" are extremely similar, so if there's support for one there'll probably be support for the other.
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Here's a video I shot some time ago. It shows my PowerBook G4 system (http://www.sintonen.fi/hw.html) booting up the MorphOS 3.0 (development branch):
PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4 (http://www.sintonen.fi/video/misc/PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4)
Please note that this isn't official confirmation of any kind. A lot of support infrastructure for laptop usage is still missing, as well as some drivers.
PS. Sorry for the poor video quality.
PPS. We don't need any beta testers for the PowerBook version for now.
It's been over two years since I have logged in here, but I had to log in and reply. This is great. The Powerbook has been abandoned by Apple beginning with Snow Leopard, so I will be looking at Morphos when it is available for the Powerbook G4. I have two of them.
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This would be so great if it were to become official. I would love to have a MorphOS laptop. I have three 12 inch powerbooks and a 17 inch here (one day I'll overcome this eBay addiction!)
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pps. We don't need any beta testers for the powerbook version for now.
lol
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The 12" Ibook had almost the same specs as the now supported Mac mini. (32mb Radeon 9200)
Maybe after he gets the laptop specific stuff working on the powerbook the ibook could come later?
Yep. Looks like a top-o'-the-line 15" model.
(The adorable little 12" version uses a different graphics chip, unfortunately, so I don't think we'll be seeing support for that any time soon.)
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The 12" Ibook had almost the same specs as the now supported Mac mini. (32mb Radeon 9200)
Maybe after he gets the laptop specific stuff working on the powerbook the ibook could come later?
I nearly bought an iBook on the chance that would happen. I may still. But I'll probably sacrifice iBook compactness in favor of a PowerBook if it means I don't need to rip the entire machine to shreds to replace a drive (http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-iBook-G4-12-Inch-1-33-GHz-Optical-Drive-Replacement/711/1). Yikes!
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Here's a video I shot some time ago. It shows my PowerBook G4 system (http://www.sintonen.fi/hw.html) booting up the MorphOS 3.0 (development branch):
PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4 (http://www.sintonen.fi/video/misc/PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4)
Please note that this isn't official confirmation of any kind. A lot of support infrastructure for laptop usage is still missing, as well as some drivers.
PS. Sorry for the poor video quality.
PPS. We don't need any beta testers for the PowerBook version for now.
The day support for the powerbook or ibook is officially announced I'll buy a maschine in a minute! While the mini already contributed to a better mobility (am doing a job abroad ATM and had no prob to take my MorphOS maschine with me) a laptop would be great. I am sitting a lot in trains - a MorphOS laptop would sweeten many journeys.
Since the 1.0-1.3 days (when improvements were massive and frequently) it was never so much fun to use MorphOS than it is recently (since the 2.0 release).
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PPS. We don't need any beta testers for the PowerBook version for now.
:lol: I guess this notion was made to avoid riots.
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The day support for the powerbook or ibook is officially announced I'll buy a maschine in a minute! While the mini already contributed to a better mobility (am doing a job abroad ATM and had no prob to take my MorphOS maschine with me) a laptop would be great. I am sitting a lot in trains - a MorphOS laptop would sweeten many journeys.
Since the 1.0-1.3 days (when improvements were massive and frequently) it was never so much fun to use MorphOS than it is recently (since the 2.0 release).
If you happen to be mobile, there's a DVI2S-Video connector so that you can plug the mini in a TV set. I got one, didn't try yet with MorphOS, not sure if it would work out either because there was an issue around that on morphzone, coundn't say actually, not sure. But definitely I will try in a couple of days.
BTW Not sure again, but I suppose it was you that stated on morphzone that the mini ain't mobile :-) Was that you or someone else? :lol:
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I don't remember having said the mini wouldn't be mobile. But I well may have something said that a mini in a rucksack is something different than a proper laptop or such. So, the mini actualy is mobile in the meaning to take it easily from one place to another (and that's what I dis recently, am about 800 km from home now), but you can hardly operate it *while* being mobile. I guess one of the mobilest solustions yet is my eframe (http://via.i-networx.de/eframe/eframe.htm), the Efika with display in a nice and relatively compact housing. But it still needs 230VAC. But that one I could use on a train, not on a commuter train though (most don't have power outlests) but on ICE or IC/EC. Should try that, could yield some curious till sceptical looks.
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Hi there,
Please excuse the "noob" of this message lol, firstly is MorphOS like a not as such a replacement but an alternative to AmigaOS? Meaning can i run Amiga programs and games from MorphOS?
If so, I have a PowerBook G4 and i'd like to help in the beta testing, it would be a dream to turn my ol'mac into a hybrid Amiga..
My PowerBook G4 specs are (as read from the "About This Mac")
Machine Model: PowerBook 5.6
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.2)
CPU Speed: 1.67 Ghz
L2 Cache: 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 167 Mhz
Boot ROM Version: 4.9lf1
I hope it helps.
Nicky..
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Hi there,
Please excuse the "noob" of this message lol, firstly is MorphOS like a not as such a replacement but an alternative to AmigaOS? Meaning can i run Amiga programs and games from MorphOS?
If so, I have a PowerBook G4 and i'd like to help in the beta testing, it would be a dream to turn my ol'mac into a hybrid Amiga..
My PowerBook G4 specs are (as read from the "About This Mac")
Machine Model: PowerBook 5.6
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.2)
CPU Speed: 1.67 Ghz
L2 Cache: 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 167 Mhz
Boot ROM Version: 4.9lf1
I hope it helps.
Nicky..
As noted in the beginning of this thread, "no beta testers needed"
Check out MorphZone.org and morphos.de to find out more information about what MorphOS is. Yes, it will run most 68k Amiga software, but if you want to run games and such that bang the Amiga's custom chipset, then you would have to run EUAE for MorphOS.
MorphOS is very fast and very Amiga-Like. The developers that created it tried to negotiate with Amiga Inc. to do the work for AmigaOS4.x and from what little I have read about that time period, those first developers of MorphOS thought that they were going to succeed with those negotiations and were not happy when Hyperion won the right to create the next AmigaOS as partners of Amiga Inc. after the MorphOS developers had already completed a lot of work on what then became MorphOS. This led to much of the early bad blood between the "RED" AmigaOS4.x camp and the "BLUE" MorphOS camp, but thankfully most of that animosity has calmed down, but it does not appear that either group of developers will ever be friends or work together on anything.
Now, over ten years later, both AmigaOS4.x and MorphOS2.x have become efficient, fast, compact and very usable OSes that have more similarities than differences, but they are still very different in many ways.
If you like AmigaOS3.1 through 3.9, then you will very probably like MorphOS2.4 as well. I have it running on my 1.5GHz MacMini G4 and love it. It will likely be many more months, if not a year or more before there is an official MorphOS release for your PowerBook, but I would hold on to it and take good care of it, as there is a good chance that it will be supported by MorphOS at some time in the future, and when it is your 1.67GHz G4 will be the fastest MorphOS laptop that you can get. I wish I had one of those.
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@ amiga2009u
chances are high you will be able to run MorphOS in future o your powerbook. The 1.67 Ghz 15" and 17" models are key kandidates for support, but the 12" ain't (due to nvidea gfx).
And yes MorphOS can run old amiga apps, as well as those for PowerUp, WarpOS and many OS4 apps. Of course also teh MorphOS apps.
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I have a powerbook G4 Titanium but its really old its a 450MHZ G4, will it be possible to run Morphos on it? Or is my Mac just too underpowered? Whats the lilkely minimum spec needed to run MorphOS on a G4 powerbook?
Weed.
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I have a powerbook G4 Titanium but its really old its a 450MHZ G4, will it be possible to run Morphos on it? Or is my Mac just too underpowered? Whats the lilkely minimum spec needed to run MorphOS on a G4 powerbook?
Weed.
cpu-wise a G4/450 would be fine. MorphOS even runs nicely on the Efika 5200B which is a 400MHz G2 class cpu (although with relatively fast RAM). But the real question for the Powerbooks will be: which gfx card is in there. And will the touchpad and kbd get supported. AFAIKk these issues aren't even sorted out on that 1670MHz pb in Piru's possesion. So, I wouldn't hold my breath for support of particular models. The only thing that is very much clear is that those powerbooks with nvidia gfx like the 1670MHz 12" powerbook will not get MorphOS.
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I nearly bought an iBook on the chance that would happen. I may still. But I'll probably sacrifice iBook compactness in favor of a PowerBook if it means I don't need to rip the entire machine to shreds to replace a drive (http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-iBook-G4-12-Inch-1-33-GHz-Optical-Drive-Replacement/711/1). Yikes!
I replaced the drive in my ibook G4, I thought it was fun. And only lost one screw. :) The LCD backlight is burnt out though, need to fix that so I can use it portably again, it's basically a desktop tethered to a monitor right now. :(
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This is quite nifty. Go Piru!! I have an Ibook that was abandoned at our office, and if I could put MorphOS on it, that would justify getting a PSU for it.
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I too am desperately considering buying a mac laptop for this already :-) Morphos is amazing, I cant wait to have my morphapple laptop :) come on guys make this a reality! Ideally the smallest mac book with the best gfx card and cpu of course would be the best for all of us, then all we need is a little logo plate with the butterfly on to cover the apple :-)))))
The business model is great too free, then reg, I think youll get a seriously high ratio of registrations, even people who pirate would not pirate morphos imho - too much passion and gratitude for the hard work by the morphos team, we applaud you!!!!!
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A lot of support infrastructure for laptop usage is still missing, as well as some drivers.
Shot in the dark here, but might a PowerBook G4 be able to run current MorphOS 2.6 if it were used as a "desktop"?
By the above, I mean with external monitor, usb keyboard & mouse attached, effectively rendering it a desktop & not utilising the laptop bits like built-in keyboard, trackpad, etc.
PZ.
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Shot in the dark here, but might a PowerBook G4 be able to run current MorphOS 2.6 if it were used as a "desktop"?
No. MorphOS 2.6 only works on the HW specified.
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@Piru
Boots really fast and looks good work!
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So, has this been canceled ? I was considering getting a laptop the other day, don't need anything fancy, this wouldn't be bad.
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Piru, why post this tease yet again? We've known about it for some time (I think Andreas Wolf bought his months ago).
I'd look for one myself, but with no firm date for support, its just frustrating.
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Piru, why post this tease yet again? We've known about it for some time (I think Andreas Wolf bought his months ago).
I'd look for one myself, but with no firm date for support, its just frustrating.
That's because Amiga.org keeps a full stable of annoying people here.....Piru, Franko, et. al..... LOL
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That's because Amiga.org keeps a full stable of annoying people here.....Piru, Franko, et. al..... LOL
Hey, I'm a MorphOS fanatic myself (and I can be quite irritating when I'm in the mood to be).
But these previews have been available for a long time and the Powerbook port doesn't appear to be any closer.
And the G5 port is even further away.
I'm happy with my Powermac.
Right now, all I'd like would be a better video card. 3D drivers for the R300 or R400 would be something I could get behind.
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Although no new information on the G4 PowerBook release has been given, I am quite sure that they are making good progress and that it will not be too much longer before we all can enjoy portable computing with the best Amiga-Like OS available.
I think they might be very close to a release for the G4 PowerBook (but have no first hand knowledge of such release).
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Although no new information on the G4 PowerBook release has been given, I am quite sure that they are making good progress and that it will not be too much longer before we all can enjoy portable computing with the best Amiga-Like OS available.
I think they might be very close to a release for the G4 PowerBook (but have no first hand knowledge of such release).
I am under the impression they are making progress. But they probably won't say much until it is done. I mean they have already hinted at G5 and shown PowerBook at various events. What more is to say, really, until it is done?
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I am under the impression they are making progress. But they probably won't say much until it is done. I mean they have already hinted at G5 and shown PowerBook at various events. What more is to say, really, until it is done?
Yes, they probably will not make any more announcements about it until it is released, or within a few days of release.
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Yes, they probably will not make any more announcements about it until it is released, or within a few days of release.
Yes, probably on release. Still, we know which models will be supported and it can't hurt to start shopping around. I look forward to having a mobile system.
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ferellls
How in the hell can you compare an amiga icon like Piru with a moron like Franko? Piru has done more for the amiga platform than 99% of the people here...
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Mag
ferellls is probably comparing the fact that both hold strong opinions.
But Harry has done a lot for the community.
After all, he's on the development team of my favorite OS.
Thanks Piru.
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Yes, probably on release. Still, we know which models will be supported and it can't hurt to start shopping around. I look forward to having a mobile system.
Well, if you remember, I think that the MorphOS Dev. Team listed fewer G4 PowerMac models than they actually ended up supporting upon initial release of support for the G4 PowerMac models, so the same may be true for the G4 PowerBooks, when support is finally released. Also, there is one last model of the G4 iBook that could be supported, as it has USB keyboard and trackpad, just like the G4 PowerBook models that are going to be supported. Due to the differences in the G4 PowerBook models, there won't be as many different models supported, like the G4 PowerMacs, but there might be one or two more models than have already been announced by a few of the developers working on it. Has there even been an "Official" announcement on the MorphOS website about G4 PowerBook support? We know it is coming, but last time I looked at the official MorphOS Team site, I did not see anything about PowerBooks.
Given the speed of the last G4 PowerBooks (1.67GHz) and the better graphics cards than previously supported MorphOS2.x systems, they are going to be great, screaming fast MorphOS2.x systems and portability is just icing on the cake.
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I am curious... I've been over at the MorphOS "Supported Hardware" page and was wondering if there was a list by actual model numbers. I am trying to cross-reference the most powerful mac I can get that will run both MorphOS and System 9.
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Wouldn't that be the Mac Mini silent upgrade
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Is it too hard to answer right now yes or no if this is planned to come in the future?
Last edited by cv643d; 11-07-2009 at 08:54 AM..
Damn!
Time flies, feels like yesterday.
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Piru, why post this tease yet again? We've known about it for some time (I think Andreas Wolf bought his months ago).
I'd look for one myself, but with no firm date for support, its just frustrating.
Piru didn't post this tease again.
Jose kicked the old topic up with his reply (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=639207&postcount=30).
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Wouldn't that be the Mac Mini silent upgrade
No, the Mac Mini can't run OS9 natively. There's the Classic emulation if you keep it on 10.4, though.
I think there's a 1.25GHz G4 tower that does native OS9.
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Here's a video I shot some time ago. It shows my PowerBook G4 system (http://www.sintonen.fi/hw.html) booting up the MorphOS 3.0 (development branch):
PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4 (http://www.sintonen.fi/video/misc/PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4)
Please note that this isn't official confirmation of any kind. A lot of support infrastructure for laptop usage is still missing, as well as some drivers.
PS. Sorry for the poor video quality.
PPS. We don't need any beta testers for the PowerBook version for now.
Any chance this one will be supported? http://www.esecon.ch/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=12&products_id=49
I would much rather run MorphOS on it instead of OSX.
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Any chance this one will be supported? http://www.esecon.ch/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=12&products_id=49
I would much rather run MorphOS on it instead of OSX.
I'd say not a chance.
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Here's a video I shot some time ago. It shows my PowerBook G4 system (http://www.sintonen.fi/hw.html) booting up the MorphOS 3.0 (development branch):
PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4 (http://www.sintonen.fi/video/misc/PowerBook-G4-MorphOS-3-sneak-preview.mp4)
Please note that this isn't official confirmation of any kind. A lot of support infrastructure for laptop usage is still missing, as well as some drivers.
PS. Sorry for the poor video quality.
PPS. We don't need any beta testers for the PowerBook version for now.
Wow, I can't believe it's almost been 2 years since this was posted. That's Amiga time for you.
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Wow, I can't believe it's almost been 2 years since this was posted.
Well 18 months, or 1.5 years.
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Well 18 months, or 1.5 years.
And then you are who criticizes the hype and previews of the other camp :rollingeyes: and still you do not see your own hypocresy :facepalm:
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@fransexy
Go back to the 1st post of this thread, reread what Piru wrote and then tell me you don't see the difference to "you don't have to wait till summer".
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Well 18 months, or 1.5 years.
Take all the time you want Piru. I know you guys don't put stuff out until it's top notch. I was just pointing out how long things can take in the Amiga world since most of the projects are sometimes done by just one person.
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Well 18 months, or 1.5 years.
Round(1.5) = 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding)
When was the last time someone told you "one point five years since I did this"?
S/he says 1 or 2 years.
P.S. Rumours about MOS on Powerbook (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6182&forum=3)
That thread is from January 2009. That's 2.5 years (3 years rounded).
Bigfoot is part of the MOS team or some random lurker?
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Round(1.5) = 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding)
When was the last time someone told you "one point five years since I did this"?
S/he says 1 or 2 years.
P.S. Rumours about MOS on Powerbook (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6182&forum=3)
That thread is from January 2009. That's 2.5 years (3 years rounded).
Bigfoot is part of the MOS team or some random lurker?
AFAIK it has *never* been officially announced that a PowerBook version *would ever* be released. No release date was *ever* formally announced. If I'm wrong, please correct me by giving the communicated release date I must have missed?
No. Yet some people calculate just how "delayed" it is?
I find that strange.
And then we have exactly the same people defending a behavior of announcing a product, collecting *pre-payments*(!!!), and then showing no real signs of progress on the delivery for 1.5 years. **And counting**!!!
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AFAIK it has *never* been officially announced that a PowerBook version *would ever* be released. No release date was *ever* formally announced. If I'm wrong, please correct me by giving the communicated release date I must have missed?
No. Yet some people calculate just how "delayed" it is?
I find that strange.
And then we have exactly the same people defending a behavior of announcing a product, collecting *pre-payments*(!!!), and then showing no real signs of progress on the delivery for 1.5 years. **And counting**!!!
What I find strange by the MOS advocates is that if it will not come (or is it not available yet), why people like Kronos advocate the advantage of MorphOS being able to run on laptop machines (and G5 machines as well) while in fact it does not exist for public consumption?
On the other hand they point that X1000 is not released yet, but forget that the Sam460 is available for purchase?
As fas as I know the MorphOS is developed by bunch of enthusiasts, who are not acting as a development company, so anything posted on forums or their blogs is kinda semi-official announcement.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLEo7H9tqSM
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What I find strange by the MOS advocates is that if it will not come (or is it not available yet), why people like Kronos advocate the advantage of MorphOS being able to run on laptop machines (and G5 machines as well) while in fact it does not exist for public consumption?
On the other hand they point that X1000 is not released yet, but forget that the Sam460 is available for purchase?
With working USB2 on OS4.1.2? :p
As fas as I know the MorphOS is developed by bunch of enthusiasts, who are not acting as a development company
Pretty much like Hyperion and A-EON then. With the difference that Hyperion/A-EON made a very bombastic and overly hyped *three day long* announcement of the product, giving you the feeling that it was about to be released, followed by some comments that it was 3 months away (or whatever), then before summer, then after summer, then before christmas, and then... silence. A bombastic carrot-dangling scheme to collect Pre-Payments. That's obviously what it was about, fundraising for production (or even worse - finishing the development(?)).
The MorphOS team simply don't do that.
You can't claim that the PowerBook release is late. There has never been any release date communicated. People has been actively dissuaded by the MorphOS team from buying hardware of which support hasn't been properly announced. This goes for PowerBook. And the G5 as well. I'm sorry, but it's simply not possible for you to twist this around, the publicly available facts are overwhelming.