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Title: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: Methuselas on November 07, 2003, 08:21:24 PM
I found this on a bunch of Amiga floppies I still have. I ripped it using OctaMEDSS and converted it to MP3.

All of this was recorded, produced, programmed and performed on Amiga, using my old A1200 and OctaMED Sound Studio. Sorry about the muddy sound, but they're 8bit samples.  :-(

Ambient sounds created by using datatypes, devices and other goodies found on your local amiga.

Guitar wanking was done by Horde, former Amiga junkie.

I'd like to hear anything by other musicphiles here on Amiga.org that stil use their Amiga's for Music.

This was originally created for a flash cartoon I keep meaning to do. I didn't realize that I had this anymore. May clean it up using my Amithlon or OctaMED PC.

Lemme know if it's crap.  ;-)

Lameshit (http://users3.ev1.net/~martinjackson/Lameshit.mp3)
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: adolescent on November 07, 2003, 08:30:11 PM
Sounds like game intro/title screen music.  Not bad.  Nothing I'd beat bop to in the car but still good.  
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: Methuselas on November 07, 2003, 08:36:26 PM
I'd post a pic of the heroine of the cartoon, but I don't have any scans of her, apparently. I'll post one, as soon as I can find it. It was only to be used as background music for a 4 minute cartoon I was doing, but never finished the animations. I'm a stickler for using 24fps and that's alot of work for one person to do. :-?


Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: restore2003 on November 07, 2003, 08:38:05 PM
Im not making music on Amiga anymore, but i wish to come back if ProStation works for me  :-)

Nice song btw  :-)
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: elektro_fabius on November 07, 2003, 09:02:34 PM
Is not possible to make professional music with Amiga software.
Try with your Octamed to do the same things made with a professional sequencer as Cubase....

Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: Linchpin on November 07, 2003, 09:05:17 PM
I agree. Cubase or Cakewalk are far superior to octaMED.. Not for its day though. Can you imagine if it was still in production? #### man, it would rock.

/me studied music in uni :-)
Oh.. and i hate cubase.
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: bloodline on November 07, 2003, 09:30:29 PM
OctaMED SoundStudio on two A1200 still does the Lion share of the work for the music that my Band prduces!!!

There are a couple of downloads on my site:
Tan-Hauser Gate (http://www.tan-hausergate.com) (-Edit- Thats me on the left, looking fatter than ever before :-D )


Who said Megalosounds sucks? I think there is no better sampler :-)
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: elektro_fabius on November 07, 2003, 09:49:33 PM
yes Octamed is nice....
I'm a musician,i work with computer music and i NEVER see octamed in a professional studio;only PC or MAC running Cubase,Sonar or Logic.
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: bloodline on November 07, 2003, 09:54:05 PM
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elektro_fabius wrote:
yes Octamed is nice....
I'm a musician,i work with computer music and i NEVER see octamed in a professional studio;only PC or MAC running Cubase,Sonar or Logic.


when my Band went into the studio, they had an Atari ST running Cubase... So I took my A1200 in with me... It turned out that both of the studio engineers had A1200's and we had the machine up and running in no time :-D
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: Methuselas on November 07, 2003, 10:13:00 PM
@Elektro

I use Logic 5 on my PC, but that still doesn't mean that I can't make quality music on my Amiga. Ladytron did an entire song off 604 on Amigas, but the majority of their work was done on Macs.

If Soundstudio2 has AHI support, it wouldn't take much to make music similar to a 'professional studio'.

That MOD was written 3 years ago, before I had ever used Logic. If you were to use good quality sound samples, which I did not, you could make a good song using OctaMED.

Consequently, most of the new music released on the radio and by the record companies is redundant, guitar wanking-emo crap. No need for technology as superior as Cubase, Logic or even OctaMED, since it doesn't take a computer to strum a power chord on a guitar.  :-D

And for the record, of course all you see is PCs and MACs in the studio. When's the last time Amiga had ANY sort of professional support in the music industry?!? Sure my song sounded muddy. I was using mostly 8 bit samples at 8khz. Why don't YOU make a song with all your powerful 'software', using only 8 bit samples at 8khz and try and tell me that it's NOT as equally as sh!tty as mine.  ;-)

Better yet, why don't you pull out that dusty old amiga you've got there and put your money where your mouth is....

Do something better.

:idea:


Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: that_punk_guy on November 07, 2003, 10:18:04 PM
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elektro_fabius wrote:
yes Octamed is nice....
I'm a musician,i work with computer music and i NEVER see octamed in a professional studio;only PC or MAC running Cubase,Sonar or Logic.


Proof that there's always room for snobbery in music :-(

@Methuselas

That's pretty cool. More guitars! ;-)

@bloodline

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Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: Linchpin on November 07, 2003, 10:21:18 PM
Are we talking quality as in sample quality or quality of the actual song? Lets be honest here, Using cubase as a digital HDD recorder you cant go far wrong, admittedly you dont get the "analog" out of it, but the things you can do with it are amazing. (Yes its cheating and Yes i prefer real to real or ADAT / DAT recording but for useablitlity cubase wins hands down). I also acknowlege the fact that its not using "samples" as such, more using .wav files and loops etc, but its a different league alltogether. OctaMED rocks all the same, but unfortunatley i dont have any use for it ATM... most of my compositions and band sessions are recorded on cubase VXT simply for ease of use. (Im Lazy)...

Dammit! I think im going to go home and fire up octaMED. You buggers!

Cheers

Kev
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: bloodline on November 07, 2003, 10:22:54 PM
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How come you get groupies? No fair!  


Perhaps you're not as fat as me :-D
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: Methuselas on November 07, 2003, 10:22:59 PM
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Proof that there's always room for snobbery in music


I couldn't agree more, Chris.  :-P

As for the guitars, yeah, I would have, but I ran out of tracks. I was pushing it using 12 and the drum loops were samples of 12 tracks on one. I might play with again on my Amithlon. OctaMED is a DREAM if you use Puh Baer to push the paula sound through the sound card.

Still, I'm waiting for OctaMEDSS to get AHI support. The PC version is nice as hell, though. 16 bit samples make it sound SO much sweeter. It's just not the same, though. ;-)
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: bloodline on November 07, 2003, 10:28:09 PM
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16 bit samples make it sound SO much sweeter. It's just not the same, though.  


Leave 16bit for mastering (if you don't use 24bit), the coolest sounds come from 8bit (but only via native Amiga Audio), so I use that where ever possible, even on vocals (only after comression though :-) )
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: Methuselas on November 07, 2003, 10:29:06 PM
@LinchPin

Oh, I agree, it's the way to go with audio, but my point was, you don't NEED a 2000$ sampler and horrendously over-priced software to make a decent sounding song.

Hell, even ACID is good, but I prefer the tracker style. I always have. Maybe it's my refusal to change or maybe it's just that I thought that Teijo made something that, at the time, was thought impossible and I ran with it.

If Commodore had taken care of Amiga and resigned the poor Paula for something superior, you might see better music makers on Amiga now.
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: bloodline on November 07, 2003, 10:35:47 PM
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If Commodore had taken care of Amiga and resigned the poor Paula for something superior, you might see better music makers on Amiga now.


I agree that Amiga needed 16bit audio, but nothing can compare to native Paula audio, you just have to use it right!!
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: elektro_fabius on November 08, 2003, 09:34:14 AM
Now i'm a musician and i work with Cubase but the first music software that I've bought in my life was OctaMED SounStudio;with this software I've made my first experiences,I know what's possible with OctaMED but now..I know that is limited,not only for the 8bit freq. but for a lot of other things...time-stretchin.pitch-shifting,FXs,Virtual instruments,BPM setting,mixing, etc etc etc.

Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: RedWarrior on November 08, 2003, 09:50:09 AM
8-bit is the new punk!!

Recommended reading on the subject:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/mclaren.html?tw=wn_tophead_5

I really want one of those F*CK PRO TOOLS T-shirts ;)

have a listen to some Amiga powered tunes of mine if you're in the mood!!

http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=25432
(written with OctaMed)

Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: elektro_fabius on November 08, 2003, 10:10:41 AM
Very nice drum pattern and sound.
Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: RedWarrior on November 08, 2003, 10:45:02 AM
Here's a thought which I'll just throw out there to the universe...  I know .mod is considered a "dead" format, and sadly so are many of it's derivates (XM, IT etc on PC)- but there is STILL a HUGE potential for low-bandwidth music & demo-style content delivery systems via the internet.

My point is: Macromedia Flash supports so many other file formats, and low-quality mp3 seems to be the accepted format for web based audio.  Surely the extra 30 lines of code for mod support would be a great investment??

Remember all those old demos where the graphics were directly synched to certain instruments in the music/mod file??  Why aren't we getting quality audio on the web with TINY bandwidth requirements? The integration capabilities are enormous, especially for triggering flash events with mod/xm info...

If any of your mates work for macromedia- tell them!!

Cheers,
RedWarrior

Title: Re: Don't let ANYONE tell you that Amiga's can't make quality music!
Post by: Framiga on November 08, 2003, 11:05:41 AM
@Methuselas (about Lameshit)

a really good work!

@ others users

I know that it is a bit expensive but have you tryed (for Audio NLE and RT effects) ProStationAudio Titanium?

It isn't an app for newbie but it is a "state of the art" in the Amiga market (and not only).

Now Maurizio Ciccione, is still launching a new app called ValveMaster for PC

http://www.audiolabs.it/

partially based on the rt DSP of PSA.

Take a look at the specs.

Ciao