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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: xeron on October 17, 2009, 09:54:31 PM
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http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/
Time for beers and dancing bananas ;-)
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http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/
Time for beers and dancing bananas ;-)
Lol Xeron, race you to Amigans!
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Lol Xeron, race you to Amigans!
Heh. Tell you what, i'll let you post there ;-)
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Heh. Tell you what, i'll let you post there ;-)
Rigo beat us to it :)
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Rigo beat us to it :)
Heh. I didn't see the news item and thought you were taking your time so posted a thread anyway :)
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:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
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Woohoo!
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Cheers!
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http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/
Time for beers and dancing bananas ;-)
It's over, but Hyperion did not win, they settled with Amiga Inc. So now Hyperion and Amiga Inc are partners. Now lets see what Hyperion can do to make AOS a modern OS.
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Dammy's right. Notice on http://ftp.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=18 that Hyperion Entertainment CVBA has the settlement not Hyperion Entertainment VOF. Hyperion's under a different legal status.
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I don't see anywhere in the announcement that Amiga Inc. is now a partner of Hyperion. Did I miss something somewhere else? Also, someone said that they found that the Amiga.com website is up for sale. I have not yet confirmed this yet though.
It does appear that the matter(s) were settled out of court and though no one Won, or Lost technically, it is pretty clear that Amiga Inc. did not come out on top of this battle. I am just glad it is over.
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It's over, but Hyperion did not win, they settled with Amiga Inc. So now Hyperion and Amiga Inc are partners. Now lets see what Hyperion can do to make AOS a modern OS.
How do you figure they didn't win? Sounds like they did from the press release. Also, where did you see that they are now partners with Amiga, Inc.?
Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform under the exclusive trademark “AmigaOS” (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the “BoingBall” logo).
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Well, Hyperion didn't win. Nor did AInc, Itec or Amino.
Or, rather, they didn't lose.
So maybe they all won. And if, collectively, they have decided to concentrate on developing and marketing the Amiga brand and returning Amiga OS in all its forms to the computing mainstream, we might win too.
Fortunately, I've just got a job recently, so I'll be able to afford a decent Amiga. Here's hoping that Hyperion's most ambitious project to date involves some brand new bleeding edge hardware to run Amiga OS on.
This is the first time I've felt optimistic in years.
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"Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform under the exclusive trademark “AmigaOS” (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the “BoingBall” logo)."
Well if that doesn't say that Hyperion can do what it likes with AmigaOS 3.1, Amiga OS 4, 5, 6, 7 etc etc now and in the future I don't know what does. Say it any way you want, Hyperion won. Whether that will amount to anything for the users remains to be seen.
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Well if that doesn't say that Hyperion can do what it likes with AmigaOS 3.1, Amiga OS 4, 5, 6, 7 etc etc now and in the future I don't know what does. Say it any way you want, Hyperion won. Whether that will amount to anything for the users remains to be seen.
Yeah, certainly sounds like we could be seeing AmigaOS/Boingball branded anything in the future - all officially sanctioned.
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That's great news and about time it happened, not sure what this actually means for OS4 and the Amiga 'brand' going forward but it's got to be better now that AmigaInc aren't involved.
Anyway, great news :)
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Thank f... it's finally over, I so hope that this means the end of Amiga Inc and any involvement in the Amiga platform... I just went to the Amiga.com website for the first time in about 3 years, to see if they had any news about this... nothing of course but damn that website hurts my eyes, truly shocking...
Love the 'customer reviews' though "i downloaded this game on 12/21/08. even after i bought and downloaded the full version until NOW i could not get the full version to work. i emailed customer support 4x these past two months and had no reply. i asked even for a refund and no reply. what does it take to get help from this company?"
yep, that's our beloved Amiga Inc alright.
Congrats Hyperion.
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I hereby declare September 30th Amiga Liberation Day! Happens to be my Birthday as well. :)
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Excellent! While I don't always agree with Hyperion's design decisions for OS4.x, this is great news for the platform. A major weight has been lifted.
Looks like Amiga Inc still has rights to OS3.0 and below, however, and that could come back to haunt someone in the future. Hopefully they'll just throw in the towel at this point and someone with a vested interest in the community could pick up full rights to the older stuff. Cloanto, maybe?
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http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/
Time for beers and dancing bananas ;-)
Hi,
Could anyone at this point tell me exactly what did Hyperion win?
smerf
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Well from the release, it says a settlement was reached. Lets just hope that Ainc, and specifically silly billy's claws are kept out of os4/5.
They may be paying a percentage of sales to ainc as part of this deal, but I just hope AINC is kept completely out of the development part of AOS.
Hopefully, if they are getting a cut, it will be a small cut so that Hyperion can put all its resources into further developing amiga os.
Sounds like hyperion will have free reign to continue development. I hope so, and I hope silly billy has been bankrupted by the long legal process too. Let him go sell his crappy phone apps at tech fairs, and stop trying
to make a living by killing my favorite computer platform.
Now if we can just get some hardware with modern specs I will happily buy a new amiga system with os4.x. I refuse to spend so much money on a computer with 5 or 10 year old specs, and I suspect alot of people feel exactly the same.
Now that AINC and meddling useless silly billy is hopefully sliced out of the equation, hopefully things can improve for the future of amiga.
I don't want a tip calculator or a snowman maker, I want a new amiga platform thats worth buying and using. AINC is a joke, thankfully Hyperion is here to hopefully save the future for us.
I'm so glad they "won" but because we don't know the exact details of the settlement, its hard to call it a win. For all we know, hyperion has to split all future profits equally with silly billy and the AINC clowns. Lets hope those leeches who deserve nothing don't get too much money riding the backs of hyperion, they don't deserve a dime if you ask me.
Steven
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Best news in ages... :-)
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I hope that everyone involved in this matter now can find peace to concentrate on building a great future for Amiga step by step.
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Woot !
:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
I look forward to a statement from Hyperion, giving us an overview of their future plans. Time for a celebration methinks :drink:
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Say it any way you want, Hyperion won. Whether that will amount to anything for the users remains to be seen.
Hyperion won because they got what they needed. What we dont know is what the other party got in the settlement so it is probably win-win to both parties and they are friends again.
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What great news. Good to hear that Hyperion, who actually WANTS to develop AOS, got the legal rights to do so.
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"Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform under the exclusive trademark “AmigaOS” (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the “BoingBall” logo)."
Well if that doesn't say that Hyperion can do what it likes with AmigaOS 3.1, Amiga OS 4, 5, 6, 7 etc etc now and in the future I don't know what does. Say it any way you want, Hyperion won. Whether that will amount to anything for the users remains to be seen.
Because AI still retains ownership, it licensed it to Hyperion. Now that Hyperion changed it's legal status from VOF to CVBA, you have to wonder if AI/Itec, or it's owners, are now apart of Hyperion. I would guess that the major Devs who are owed money are also share owners. Time will tell.
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Because AI still retains ownership, it licensed it to Hyperion.
Hyperion has a licence for OS3.1, but it is the sole owner of AmigaOS4.
Varthall
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Fantastic news! )
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Hyperion has a licence for OS3.1, but it is the sole owner of AmigaOS4.
Varthall
Truism, I suppose I should have specified I was referring to Amiga Inc IP. Question is who are the "owers" of this new Hyperion? AI/Itec got something out of this deal, I do not think that boot has dropped yet.
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Truism, I suppose I should have specified I was referring to Amiga Inc IP. Question is who are the "owers" of this new Hyperion? AI/Itec got something out of this deal, I do not think that boot has dropped yet.
But you don't know, at this point your just speculating. Let's see if we get an "official announcement from AINC?
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But you don't know, at this point your just speculating. Let's see if we get an "official announcement from AINC?
Let's hope we don't and they fade into the sunset and Hyperion brings out OS5 sooner than later.
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Its not so much who wins, but what will they do?
I have stuck with the Amiga scene ever since 1983, and no matter how close I have come in the past will still not get rid of what I own. So now I just hope and prey that they will do some thing positive for the Amiga, the Amiga needs it badly, if they are not going to do any thing positive then dont do any thing. I know very well its early days yet as the case has only just come to its conclusion. But I do so hope they will make the Amiga a modern fast reliable system. I keep my fingures crossed.................Mike.
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Hyperion has a licence for OS3.1, but it is the sole owner of AmigaOS4.
Varthall
And the sole owner of "AmigaOS" and all it forms on any hardware platform in the future. No one else can use the name AmigaOS.
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Amiga OS 4.0 Powered Netbook anyone?
We all know with modern browswer support this would be the perfect little os running on SSD. It's pretty funny both Apple and Microsoft have actuvley worked to reduce the size and overhead for their OS's due to customer grievances. Here is this little OS lying dormant that can be positione to capatilize on this.
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Great news!
http://pseudoexpert.com/operating-systems/amiga/23-amiga-court-case-resolved
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This is awesome news. Now AInc isn't out of the picture yet. But at least Hyperion has firm ground to stand on!
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well, its nice to see this come to a close. Cross fingers we may see a move to x86 hardware in the future but at least there's some closure now and we can look forward
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An OS unburdened with a choice of apps, memory protection or drivers...
Amiga OS 4.0 Powered Netbook anyone?
We all know with modern browswer support this would be the perfect little os running on SSD. It's pretty funny both Apple and Microsoft have actuvley worked to reduce the size and overhead for their OS's due to customer grievances. Here is this little OS lying dormant that can be positione to capatilize on this.
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Even got a mention on Slashdot... There are some interesting comments on the story too...
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Maybe thay will now join forces with AROS and Team MorphOS ;) To unite the community once again under the name of Amiga :D
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@Painkiller,
Would be great if they all joined forces (and resources) to push for a genuine x86-based Amiga OS...
"Dream, dream, dream..." :-)
Mike.
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Now if we can just get some hardware with modern specs I will happily buy a new amiga system with os4.x.
Yeah - please Hyperion, support one core of this beast initially and then develop AmigaOS towards multicore support and 64 bit architecture:
http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/specs.html
I refuse to spend so much money on a computer with 5 or 10 year old specs, and I suspect alot of people feel exactly the same.
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I don't want a tip calculator or a snowman maker, I want a new amiga platform thats worth buying and using. AINC is a joke, thankfully Hyperion is here to hopefully save the future for us.
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Lets hope those leeches who deserve nothing don't get too much money riding the backs of hyperion, they don't deserve a dime if you ask me.
Fully agreed...
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Hyperion won because they got what they needed. What we dont know is what the other party got in the settlement so it is probably win-win to both parties and they are friends again.
Well, we know they got out of it without being sentenced.
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Maybe thay will now join forces with AROS and Team MorphOS ;) To unite the community once again under the name of Amiga :D
What makes you think this? Try to remember how things were before the lawsuit. If anything this will only further drive the OS4 camp away from the classic, AROS and MOS camps. After all, OS4 is "teh TRUE Amiga" with this settlement and now the Amiga name can once again be brandished against all others who are merely "Amiga-like".
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Have they even been working on the next generation of AmigaOS past 4.x? I havent heard anything or seen anything to state they have. I can toss up a powerpoint and say all sorts of great things too. I hope for the sake of the future that they do something with this new power they just got.
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Notice on http://ftp.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=18 that Hyperion Entertainment CVBA has the settlement not Hyperion Entertainment VOF. Hyperion's under a different legal status.
Yes.
VOF = general partnership (or: ordinary partnership); Besides company and associates, partners are liable with their private property; bankrupsy of the company can result in bankrupsy of the partners
CVBA = limited liability company; at least one founder required, minimum capital 18.550 €, associates just liable up to their partner share
(I hope I worded it half way correctly)
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Maybe thay will now join forces with AROS and Team MorphOS ;) To unite the community once again under the name of Amiga :D
It doesn't work that way in the Amiga world, this is a novel society and when I think novel I mean William Golding and his charming novel about life on a small island. The Amiga community is a lot like that....
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Um..nice brochure and mug.. Thats the first time I have ever seen those items.
I want, I want, I want.. hehe
Rich
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Cheers!
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They say no news is good news, never the case in Amigaland ;)
Look forward to seeing what becomes of the AOS now that Hyperion have alittle more freedom.
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I want that mug!
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Does this mean Moana may be revived?
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It means that Moana is legal should they decide to continue with it.
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Woooooooowwww!!!
Amazing news!!
(BTW - I want a mug like that too...)
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To dummies who say Hyperion did not win and can not read ?:
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To dummies who say Hyperion did not win and can not read ?:
They did not win, they settled with Amiga Inc with a new agreement. Thanks to a Moo linking to a /. article about the settlement, I see that Haynie posted his thoughts: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409045&cid=29796239
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Ah, what could have been with Dave Haney at the helm, he had a vision and an understanding of what must be done to succeed. Yep, what we have here is not so much a battle for the ship but a battle for the life boat, and they agreed that one part gets the boat and the other one the oars.
They did not win, they settled with Amiga Inc with a new agreement. Thanks to a Moo linking to a /. article about the settlement, I see that Haynie posted his thoughts: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409045&cid=29796239
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It's "Dave Haynie"
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They did not win, they settled with Amiga Inc with a new agreement. Thanks to a Moo linking to a /. article about the settlement, I see that Haynie posted his thoughts: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409045&cid=29796239
Strictly speaking, they did not win. But they managed to win control over the OS, so that is a win for them.
Not so sure it's a win for Amiga fans, however... not as long as Hyperion is fixated on PPC.
Ed.
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The only winning Amiga fans will be doing is if they get over to eBay and grab some great old Amiga gear!
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They did not win, they settled with Amiga Inc with a new agreement. Thanks to a Moo linking to a /. article about the settlement, I see that Haynie posted his thoughts: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409045&cid=29796239
Good read, if not a disparaging one. I disagree about AmigaOS being too far behind to be relevant though. I thought that was very shortsighted of him. We all know what's possible when you combine talent, money and other incentives. Great strides can be and are often literally created over night in this industry. When not, that's what "service packs" are for. lol
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We and AmigaOS are irelevant to the computing world. We are a niche. Which is gwrtting smaller all the time.
If it took hyperion 8 years or whatever is was to get from 68k to PPC (Not the bigest of leaps) then how long do you reckon it will take them to do 68k to x86 or ppc to x86 or x64, another ten years.
I really don't understand why everyone thinks hyperion are/will be the saviours of AmigaOS, because they are clearly not.
EDIT: By the way I think MorphOS has the same problems in sticking with expensive old and hard to come by hardware that is dead as a desktop platform
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If it took hyperion 8 years or whatever is was to get from 68k to PPC (Not the bigest of leaps) then how long do you reckon it will take them to do 68k to x86 or ppc to x86 or x64, another ten years.
Maybe, when they ported it to PPC, they did it with portability in mind?
(For the record, I love PPC and don't mind staying there.)
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We and AmigaOS are irelevant to the computing world. We are a niche. Which is gwrtting smaller all the time.
If it took hyperion 8 years or whatever is was to get from 68k to PPC (Not the bigest of leaps) then how long do you reckon it will take them to do 68k to x86 or ppc to x86 or x64, another ten years.
I really don't understand why everyone thinks hyperion are/will be the saviours of AmigaOS, because they are clearly not.
EDIT: By the way I think MorphOS has the same problems in sticking with expensive old and hard to come by hardware that is dead as a desktop platform
Bah, Amiga was never cheap. And if we really wanted the best we would have an IBM Power6 based Amiga, not Intel/AMD x86 crap. MacMini G4 running AmigaOS/Morphos is not bad for a niche/retro machine. What should Hyperion do is rethink the whole AmigaOS idea, endorse innovate project and ideas, and provide a platform for retromaniacs, alternative content creators, and open-minded developers that would also "steal" user-base from platforms such as BeOS, RiscOS, and Linux. Hardware is important for a quick start, but it's the software that should lead the way.
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I really don't understand why everyone thinks hyperion are/will be the saviours of AmigaOS, because they are clearly not.
Because we want and "need" to cling to some hope :-)
EDIT: By the way I think MorphOS has the same problems in sticking with expensive old and hard to come by hardware that is dead as a desktop platform
Agreed and it's definitely keeping this notion of an "AmigaOS" as niche and tiny as possible. Perhaps they fear becoming more successful? lol
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Basically you have a somewhat modernised closed source OS with little or software to run. It's basically a hobby OS for people who like retro with a few modern conveniences tacked on. Your target audience is known, they basically all read Amiga.org and/or Amigaword.net. Now considering that why bother with porting to x86? Is anyone seriously going switch from a modern OS to this? The market is collectors, the market has money and the relative expense only makes it more attractive.
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Basically you have a somewhat modernised closed source OS with little or software to run. It's basically a hobby OS for people who like retro with a few modern conveniences tacked on. Your target audience is known, they basically all read Amiga.org and/or Amigaword.net. Now considering that why bother with porting to x86? Is anyone seriously going switch from a modern OS to this? The market is collectors, the market has money and the relative expense only makes it more attractive.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying that MorphOS or AOS should be ported to X86,X64 or ARM. Its never going to compete in any real world market. Keep it where it is. I say stop dreaming that Amiga will ever be what it was and what we loved. It wont and cant happen. Love it for what it is now .
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Well done to Hyperion on securing the rights to develop the OS without interference.
I'm left wondering what Amiga Inc. got out of the settlement.