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Amiga.org specific forums => Amiga.org Discussion and Site Feedback => Topic started by: Karlos on September 13, 2009, 11:30:06 PM
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The title says it all really.
It seems both a bit of a shame and somewhat ironic that nobody seems to bother any more. Immediately after the move to vBulletin, when the old gallery was nothing but a collection of numbered images and orphaned database tables, there was quite a lot of upset that it was gone (not the least of which was from me, to be fair) and worry that it might not return.
When setting out to migrate it, there were many pleas that the comments be preserved. Looking through the recent submissions, it seems just as well that we did, since the old image comments are pretty much the only ones there.
Still, maybe it's just me...
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I stopped commenting for two reasons:
1. There is no notification of new posts. I posted all over the place after the site change, but without notification I can't see if somebody replied to my post. I tried searching for the images I posted on, got tired, bored and gave up.
2. You can't see image comments when not logged in. I usually browse without being logged in (if I'm at a different computer) and if I don't see any comments, I have much less incentive to post.
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I think the lack of comments is a direct result of layout changes. If the default location of the random gallery image(s) changed to an area of the page that didn't require scrolling or resizing to reach, click-through and comment rates might be much higher.
On the new site, the only thing I see when I first browse to Amiga.org is the last ten active threads. (That's with Internet Explorer, Chrome, and Safari on Windows at 1920x1200, default system and browser font settings.)
On the old site, the latest posts, the first couple news articles, and a random gallery image were all visible without resizing.
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Once some more pix of Jeri get uploaded I'm sure there will be plenty of comments... :-)
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I like reading the comments..most of them are pretty funny.
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2. You can't see image comments when not logged in. I usually browse without being logged in (if I'm at a different computer) and if I don't see any comments, I have much less incentive to post.
Same here, sometimes the new amiga.org is worst than old one.
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You can't see image comments when not logged in.
Ah ... That explains why I couldn't see the comments.
Thanks,
redfox
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I think the lack of comments is a direct result of layout changes. If the default location of the random gallery image(s) changed to an area of the page that didn't require scrolling or resizing to reach, click-through and comment rates might be much higher.
On the new site, the only thing I see when I first browse to Amiga.org is the last ten active threads. (That's with Internet Explorer, Chrome, and Safari on Windows at 1920x1200, default system and browser font settings.)
On the old site, the latest posts, the first couple news articles, and a random gallery image were all visible without resizing.
Spot on, here is the problem.
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Spot on, here is the problem.
+1
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Wow, scrolling is such a bind, I guess :D
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Wow, scrolling is such a bind, I guess :D
Damn right! We fear change! ;)
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I believe the site changes, scared a lot of people away. Call it old habit, or fear of change. But I think there are fewer posts across the board especially in the gallery. I myself find myself using the site less.. It's still a great site, and i know a lot of hard work goes into it.
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Is there a technical reason why we can't see image comments when not logged in? I often glance over the board while not logged in, and therefore don't see image comments when I click on one. I didn't even realize we COULD still comment on images anymore until a few weeks ago.
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I guess it is just a feature of photoplog. Maybe there is an administrative option that displays comments regardless.
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I stopped commenting for two reasons:
1. There is no notification of new posts. I posted all over the place after the site change, but without notification I can't see if somebody replied to my post. I tried searching for the images I posted on, got tired, bored and gave up.
2. You can't see image comments when not logged in. I usually browse without being logged in (if I'm at a different computer) and if I don't see any comments, I have much less incentive to post.
1) I can't do much about that one.
2) All you guys had to do was ask. Image comments should now be viewable by all.
Wayne
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I'm not going to address the whole "site sucks" thing any more. It doesn't. In fact, it's 10x more usable than it was before.
What sucks is people's resistance to change, and there really are people out there so upset over moving away from 2001 Xoops that they actively, or at least mentally refuse to accept change in any fashion.
The problem is, the world has moved on from 1999 web technology, and those who can't accept that are only going to get more disappointed in the future.
Wayne
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I love the image gallery and check it out almost every time I log in :-) reminds me I have to submit some pics of my new Sam setup when I get the chance
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I hadn't even noticed the new gallery thingy yet on the mainpage, until this thread..
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You should not be so narrow sighted that you assume people do not comment because they wont accept change, that is not how internet habbits works.
In a way, you need to view traffic as customers (even though you do not make money on us), first task is, why do you want traffic on amiga.org?
Let us assume, (that partly), you want traffic on amiga.org because you want users to upload images other users can comment on.
In the situation we have right now, the earlier version from 2001 was better suited to that objective - to get users to upload images and to get users to comment images, I can only speak for myself, one of the reasons I posted images was to read comments. Now I tried it once and got zero comments so I am not likely to be so eager to upload images as often as before.
So in order to adapt the site to suit your customers better (if we asume that you want the gallery to grow both by uploaded images and commented images) the gallery part needs rework to make it more appealing for visitors to use it again.
That has got nothing with peoples resistance to change, or people upset over the move to the new system, it is just the way it is.
Isnt it great that amiga.org have users that can give you this input for free on how amiga.org can be improved to better suit the community?
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2) All you guys had to do was ask. Image comments should now be viewable by all.
Yup, they show up, now, even when not logged in. Thanks! :)
BTW, the new site is great... I think the majority of the people found everything ok, and went on happily. Of course, no one thinks to comment that they found everything ok. People only think to comment when they DON'T find everything ok... Feedback is lopsided, that way. It shouldn't be used to measure the success of changes.
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@Wayne
Image comments should now be viewable by all.
Thanks Wayne. :D
redfox
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Wow, scrolling is such a bind, I guess :D
Nah, just out of sight, out of mind.
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1. There is no notification of new posts. I posted all over the place after the site change, but without notification I can't see if somebody replied to my post. I tried searching for the images I posted on, got tired, bored and gave up.
Threads spanning years, with months between comments, are part of the gallery's charm. :-)
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Threads spanning years, with months between comments, are part of the gallery's charm. :-)
Precisely. I like to trawl through them now and again and see what humorous remarks people have left.
Having everything delivered to your door by notification is boring :)