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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: ceaser on August 16, 2009, 04:53:25 PM
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I've been trying this for hours. I got the Installer v43.3 from Aminet. I keep following different instructions in different places and they're all dead wrong. I've keep copying the contents of this decompressed installer disk to SYS:C then I tried SYS:S then SYS: then SYS:SYSTEM and nothing works. It's always cannot open your tool installer. Why? Why is this so hard? Why do I need a separate program not included in Workbench to install IDE Fix 97?
How do I do this? I'm sick. I've had this Amiga 4000 since June and have been trying to get a CD-ROM installed since then and cannot do it! Can someone link me to a tutorial? There must be a tutorial. Nothing this hard doesn't have some kind of instructions. The readme files on IDE Fix Demo don't tell anything. Nothing says anything about anything. No instructions come with installer. This is retarded. I just want a CD-ROM to work for God sakes!
Yes Hard Disk configured to master at the end of the cable and CD-ROM configured as slave. This isn't any jumper bs. I need to know how do I run this installer. I need exact instructions on what to type in when this disk with Installer v43.3 is in my drive. HELP i've been trying for months@!
It's workbench 3.1 and I have 3.0 rom in my 4000*
i also reinstalled workbench two times because I thought this was something to do with me doing something else wrong. i'm really out of ideas. i keep reading how easy this is to do. but i can't do it. just got my worthless A+ certification last week and been working on computers since about 1997. I do not understand. I have read so much. This is NOT working.
I also bought 2 boards neither one of which I could get to work. Speedup-System and Catweasel. But Catweasel wasn't for IDE that was so you could hook regular PC floppy drives to your Amiga. I didn't really need it. Then I have this Oktagon IDE card coming soon from a friend, but I keep reading the same thing that you are supposed to put the CD-ROM as slave and Hard Disk as master on the native (single one that's there) IDE chain, then use IDE Fix software to make it work.
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Put the Installer file in C:
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copying it to C: should work, (sys:c where executables are stored assigned to C: for sort)
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eh apologies i'm getting a little dramatic here and seriously need some sleep. that isn't working. i've copied it to c. does ide fix require some really old version of installer? is that why "can't open tool installer" ?
I heard some other poster have this problem too and people didn't seem to get what he was saying. He had updated his installer and was wondering why IDE Fix wasn't working. Same here. I'll recopy it to C: again but it didn't do anything. So whatever version of Installer was in there before was the one that came on Workbench 3.1 and then the v43.3, latest official release version of the installer is what I put in C: and when that didn't work put in S: and so on and so forth.
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Check if the icon doesn't specify a path for the installer (SYS:Utilities is the correct location).
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I've been trying this for hours. I got the Installer v43.3 from Aminet. I keep following different instructions in different places and they're all dead wrong. I've keep copying the contents of this decompressed installer disk to SYS:C then I tried SYS:S then SYS: then SYS:SYSTEM and nothing works. It's always cannot open your tool installer. Why? Why is this so hard? Why do I need a separate program not included in Workbench to install IDE Fix 97?
An installer that can't install itself! :laughing:
What a rip off! :roflmao:
Seriously I know about this and it has annoyed me too. What do you use when you install AmigaOS? A damned installer. What do Commodore neglect to install with the OS? An installer! :crazy:
IMHO this was a bug! Commodore had these guide lines and couldn't even supply an installer for users. It affected users, not delvelopers who didn't include the Installer because they shouldn't need too!
I was helping a PC friend salesman install a CanonDisk driver on an A1200 for a guy who bought a printer off my friend. What happens first? There's no installer! And the comment that it wouldn't have happened on a PC becasue in 1996 Windows was so good and Windows had an installer build into Windows that all the programmers used!! What a wondeful world for the PC! :lol:
Yeah right! PC programs had an installer within the package, my PC friend never noticed that! Okay rant off. I hope your installer works by now, you're not alone. :-)
BTW, OS 3.1 not the best for ROM 3.0. Mostly it's okay, but there are some missing functions. One for gfx.
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What Golem said.
And Vanilla, I'm pretty sure that the installer is available on the Workbench disks, and it's not that hard to enable. Just put it in the Utilities folder. No need to go into rant mode :D
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The IDEfix install icon just specifies "Installer" as its default tool, so putting it anywhere in the path should work. On OS3.1, Installer resides in the C: directory, so overwriting the file C:Installer with the one from Aminet should work.
@caesar
Please open a shell and type the following command:
version c:installer
then post the result.
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Check if the icon doesn't specify a path for the installer (SYS:Utilities is the correct location).
K I'm trying this first. Someone else saying it's SYS:C but that wasn't doing anything. I think SYS:Utilities and SYS:Expansion are the only SYS: dir I didn't try it in yet :/
@caesar
Please open a shell and type the following command:
version c:installer
then post the result.[/QUOTE]
ok i'll post the result
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The IDEfix install icon just specifies "Installer" as its default tool, so putting it anywhere in the path should work. On OS3.1, Installer resides in the C: directory, so overwriting the file C:Installer with the one from Aminet should work.
@caesar
Please open a shell and type the following command:
version c:installer
then post the result.
Installer 43.3
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It's installed properly then. Try this. Single left click on the "InstallSoftware" icon in the IDEfix directory. Go to the Icons menu and select Information. In the Information window that pops up, change the default tool to "C:Installer" (without the quotes) and then click "save". Then double click the installer again.
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i already tried that
I get guru error when i change the icon's path to C:Install
Before I installed this new installer, 43.3, it was guru error every time i double clicked.
i got to goto bed.
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Oh sorry. Ok, in the shell CD to the directory where the IDEfix installer is. Then type
c:installer installsoftware
and see if that works.
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Oh sorry. Ok, in the shell CD to the directory where the IDEfix installer is. Then type
c:installer installsoftware
and see if that works.
no need to be sorry. no it's not working. all i can do now is do fresh workbench install a 3rd time and i don't really know man. really no clue. i never had this much problem with installer before. Had some games where I had to edit some line or create a DIR but never had something screw up like this when I try to install. i really wish i could just get an ide fix that has an installer on it but i downloaded the one everyone says to get, idefix97 from aminet. and i did a protect idefix97.lha +RWED then the lha_68000 e idefix97.lha on the amiga. So it's not like it's corrupted unless the file from aminet was bad to begin with but i don't think so. i don't get it anymore.
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i already tried that
I get guru error when i change the icon's path to C:Install
Before I installed this new installer, 43.3, it was guru error every time i double clicked.
i got to goto bed.
No wonder, C:Install is a shell command used to make a floppy bootable. But try to run installer in a shell, just to verify that it works.
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i did a protect idefix97.lha +RWED
You don't need to do that.
then the lha_68000 e idefix97.lha on the amiga
That's not really the best way to extract archives with LHA. Here are some instructions right from the start. All commands should be entered without quotes.
1. Download lha.run, Installer-43_3.lha and IDEfix97.lha from Aminet
2. Copy these files exactly as they are in to the RAM: directory on the Amiga
3. Open a shell
4. Enter the command "cd ram:"
5. Enter the command "protect lha.run +rwed"
6. Enter the command "lha.run"
7. Enter the command "copy lha_68020 c:lha" (replace lha_68020 with the correct version for the Amiga's CPU)
8. Enter the command "lha -x x Installer-43_3.lha ram:"
9. Enter the command "copy installer43_3/Installer c:"
10. Enter the command lha -x x IDEfix97.lha ram:"
11. Double click the "Ram Disk" icon
12. Open the "IDE-fix" drawer
13. Double click the "InstallSoftware" icon
Post any errors in full.
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No wonder, C:Install is a shell command used to make a floppy bootable. But try to run installer in a shell, just to verify that it works.
no installer will not run in a shell either. i have tried all these little things already.
i didn't try C:Install because i thought it would work i tried it because i am desparate.
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no installer will not run in a shell either.
What happens when you try?
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installer: file is not executable
i tried running c:installer and running it from utilities. it's off aminet. i don't know why it's not working. i'm going to go back there and download it again and try it again. they had 2 versions which appeared to be the same though.
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installer: file is not executable
Ok, this is probably the cause of your problem. You need to do:
protect c:installer +rwed
then try again. Again, the reason for this is because the archive was decompressed somewhere other than on the Amiga, so the file lost its executable bit.
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It says under $VER in information for InstallSoftware $VER: Install.info 38.3 (05.09.95)
So where do I get the installer version 38.3?
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It says under $VER in information for InstallSoftware $VER: Install.info 38.3 (05.09.95)
So where do I get the installer version 38.3?
You don't need to. That's the "version" number of the install script created for IDEfix. It does not correspond in any way to the required version of Installer. Did you try using the protect command on c:installer, or the list of instructions I posted above?
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i certainly did. no luck with any of it. i gotta go now. only reason i'm trying to do this is i'm going to not buy a bunch of upgrades for amiga 4000 which i was going to get if i could get this cd-rom to work. i don't know what i'm going to do with this huge useless box. guess it goes under the stairs till i sell it on ebay
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i certainly did. no luck with any of it.
What happened? Error messages?
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A+ certification
It's too bad the A doesn't stand for Amiga!
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protect installsoftware +es?
You could try installerng http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/InstallerNG i have come across apps installer scripts that arent fully compatible tho.
And could you do list c:installer , maybe you could try copying it again.
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Why not use the original installer that comes with Workbench??
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Type
which installer in a shell and report back. I suspect you have multiple copies of Installer throughout your path. You fixed one by adding the executable bit, but it's not the one being called by default.
The "file not executable" error you got in the shell is the same reason you're getting the "Unable to open your tool 'Installer'" error in Workbench.
In the future, remember to extract everything on the Amiga to preserve the protection bits. And get DOpus 4.16 from Aminet to make your life six zillion times easier.
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I had a virus once HappyNewYear virus that did this; its a very small file that attaches itself to system commands in the C directory, including installer. I would make sure that your workbench floppies are clean, run a virus checker on your hard drive. Eventually I couldn't get rid of the virus so I booted off a clean write protected workbench disk, formatted all my partitions and re-installed workbench
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here was the problem: i have a LAN adapter on my A1200 but not on my A4000. So I needed to copy everything to floppy otherwise there was no way I could get it to my 4000. After I got the files extracted on my 1200 I needed to copy them to a floppy to get them to my 4000. I installed Directory Opus 5.5 on my 1200 and then on an empty floppy, did a makedir and made all dirs that were in the unzipped .lha of IDEFix. Then did a copy/move (I chose move) making sure I was in the correct directory on the IDEFix floppy like the c: directory and copying all the files over by selecting them all and doing the move command with Directory Opus. Same for home dir of the floppy. I noticed when using the copy shell command in regular workbench I probably entered the wrong switch but for whatever reason it didn't copy the directories and everything in them. So it never was anything to do with "Installer" and my Workbench 3.1 had a high enough version to install. Everything is now working, emulating CD32 and sealed back up now.
Regards
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Was it a FFS floppy? Not a PC0: as that would cause that kind of trouble