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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: jj on July 23, 2009, 12:17:26 PM
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Did we do something as a site to miff the os4 devs and hyperion in genearl
Them seem to post on other sites but not here. is it beacuse we are mulit os and not just os4 ?
Also other sites seem to get hold of rumours we dont hear here. Is it we ignore them or I just miss them or are people less rabid than on amigaworld.net for isntance
Discuss
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Rougue?
Varthall
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was supposed to say Rogue et all .....:lol:
nothing to do with makeup
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Amiga.org seems more focused on classics than Amigans.net and Amigaworld.net that seem more OS4 orientated. Rogue does have an account here I believe.
But we should be glad we don't have the really stupid x86 discussions and accompanying trolls here too IMHO!
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Amiga.org seems more focused on classics than Amigans.net and Amigaworld.net that seem more OS4 orientated. Rogue does have an account here I believe.
But we should be glad we don't have the really stupid x86 discussions and accompanying trolls here too IMHO!
Amen to that.
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The main reason is that many, many years ago the fight over MorphOS vs AmigaOS and AmigaOne vs Pegasos was faught out here. The vocal battle went very high after which AmigaWorld.net was created and a seperate site for MorphOS.
Then the Amiga community split.
In the end the discussion was pretty pointless because ALL AmigaOne and ALL Pegasos were having hardware problems. Also the discussion about both OS was pretty pointless. So basically a lot of people waisted their time argueing about untrue facts.
The grim end result was that the Amiga community deminished in numbers by petty behaviour from both users and developers.
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ALL Pegasos were having hardware problems.
They were? I must have a bad memory.
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They were? I must have a bad memory.
IIRC, the first Peg 1 models that didn't have the April (I think that's what it was called) fix had the same issues as their A1 counterparts, right?
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The main reason is that many, many years ago the fight over MorphOS vs AmigaOS and AmigaOne vs Pegasos was faught out here. The vocal battle went very high after which AmigaWorld.net was created and a seperate site for MorphOS.
Then the Amiga community split.
If this is true, can it be undone??
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They were? I must have a bad memory.
All of the Amiga-like next gen hardware suffer the same flaw..... lack of market share.
Plaz
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If this is true, can it be undone??
Largely the the battles ended and relative peace returned. Members who did not leave completly for other platforms and interests then settled in to forums where the felt most comfortable whether Amiga.org AmigaWorld.net Amigans.net Morphzone.org A1k.org or EAB.abime.ne
Many now travel between these villages and are generally welcomed. It's polite to respect the local fair and conversation when visiting though. A thread popular on one site, may not be welcome conversation on another.
Truely the only thing that would raise memberships and maybe tighten old bonds would be a new successful platform. It's been 14 years since the CBM demise, chances seem slim to none. OS4, MOS and AROS have made strides, but here we are, and here we may always remain. Except there is always... hope.
Plaz
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IIRC, the first Peg 1 models that didn't have the April (I think that's what it was called) fix had the same issues as their A1 counterparts, right?
1. Even the pre-april pegasos1 never had the same range of issues the original AmigaONE SE had.
2. Pre-april Pegasos 1 hardly accounts for all Pegasos hardware.
3. The problematic hw were swapped to april fixed ones by the manufacturer.
4. AmigaONE SE hardware issues were never fixed.
AmigaONE SE was claimed to be perfectly working HW, "they're just software issues" and warranty replacement never happened. Yet none of the Articia chips never worked as advertised. Pegasos II was built around different northbridge and never had a single issue. More AmigaONE hardware was built around new revision of the Articia chipset, which was again claimed to be "bug free". But it wasn't. Mai Logic went bust which finally put end to the Articia misery.
So yes, AmigaONE was a spectacular failure, and unfortunately end users had to pay the price.
While Pegasos 1 indeed shares some of the trouble due to using the Mai Logic northbridge, the manufacturer at least worked around the issue and replaced the boards.
So I disagree with the statement that all Pegasos were having hardware problems.
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Largely the the battles ended and relative peace returned. Members who did not leave completly for other platforms and interests then settled in to forums where the felt most comfortable whether Amiga.org AmigaWorld.net Amigans.net Morphzone.org A1k.org or EAB.abime.ne
Many now travel between these villages and are generally welcomed. It's polite to respect the local fair and conversation when visiting though. A thread popular on one site, may not be welcome conversation on another.
Truely the only thing that would raise memberships and maybe tighten old bonds would be a new successful platform. It's been 14 years since the CBM demise, chances seem slim to none. OS4, MOS and AROS have made strides, but here we are, and here we may always remain. Except there is always... hope.
Plaz
Well said my friend!
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I know all this , was around for it all.
Was just wondering why given we do discuss AOS4 on this site, that the devs neever pop in to dicuss things. We are a pretty firendly bunch these days.
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I know all this , was around for it all.
Was just wondering why given we do discuss AOS4 on this site, that the devs neever pop in to dicuss things. We are a pretty firendly bunch these days.
Probably due to the more technical nature of this site, they would have to post more indepth posts... A quick look at the last posts by them on AmigaWorld show little to interest the average user of this site.
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I suppose. I am not signed up for amigaworld.net and I think yesterday was only the second time I have ever looked at it. There is an insanelty long thread about some super duper secret project hyperion is working on what will amaze everyone and is the best and most ambitious thing they have ever worked on.
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@Piru
So I disagree with the statement that all Pegasos were having hardware problems.
Hey, I didn't say all, I was merely trying to remember which ones were affected. It has been a while.
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I know all this , was around for it all.
Was just wondering why given we do discuss AOS4 on this site, that the devs neever pop in to dicuss things. We are a pretty firendly bunch these days.
I know you we're around, my reply was more a history summary for relative new comer Tension.
And the answer still goes back to 'where they felt most comfortable after the divisions'. AW.org and Amigans became the default area for OS4 dev talk. Also I'm sure it's probably just a matter of available spare time. Why spend valuable time double-posting across sites, when they know they can post once and then we can all visit there. I don't think it's because they beleive were unfriendly to OS4 here.
Plaz
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This is true.
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There is an insanelty long thread about some super duper secret project hyperion is working on
Especially long if you're just now getting started on it. It's been growing by the day for a couple of weeks. :)
I'd like to think the uber project is a final settelment with Amiga Inc with a new big investor involved. Being a skeptic, I'd say just releasing a new OS version that sells another few hundred or even a thousand motherboards won't be exciting enough.
Maybe Google's ChromeOS is actually AmigaOS 4.2, now that would be exciting.
Plaz
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Especially long if you're just now getting started on it. It's been growing by the day for a couple of weeks. :)
I'd like to think the uber project is a final settelment with Amiga Inc with a new big investor involved. Being a skeptic, I'd say just releasing a new OS version that sells another few hundred or even a thousand motherboards won't be exciting enough.
Maybe Google's ChromeOS is actually AmigaOS 4.2, now that would be exciting.
Plaz
It is exactly that kind of thread that would not be tolerated here... Suggest, on the other hand, that the Amiga 9Pin joystick port is better than any other port in the known universe and we will argue to the death :)
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It is exactly that kind of thread that would not be tolerated here... Suggest, on the other hand, that the Amiga 9Pin joystick port is better than any other port in the known universe and we will argue to the death :)
:lol:
Thanks, that was a good one. But every one knows the best Commodore joystick ever was that little square headed one that stuck to the side of you commodore. Dang, can't remember the name. I'll have to go dig it out of storage now.
Plaz
Plaz
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@Piru
Very good points!
More AmigaONE hardware was built around new revision of the Articia chipset, which was again claimed to be "bug free". But it wasn't.
AFAIK, the last few Pegasos1's had the A660BNGE revision (the "fixed" revision) of the Articia S, and a handful of them was even sold in a G4 bundle, but indeed there were still issues.
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:lol:
Thanks, that was a good one. But every one knows the best Commodore joystick ever was that little square headed one that stuck to the side of you commodore. Dang, can't remember the name. I'll have to go dig it out of storage now.
Plaz
Plaz
For some reason I want to say it came with a GEOS package. GEOS128 perhaps?
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Suncom made one of those (fit the 128 nicely) and while I'm sure it was OK for GEOS, I can't imagine playing games with it.
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I know you we're around, my reply was more a history summary for relative new comer Tension.
And the answer still goes back to 'where they felt most comfortable after the divisions'. AW.org and Amigans became the default area for OS4 dev talk. Also I'm sure it's probably just a matter of available spare time. Why spend valuable time double-posting across sites, when they know they can post once and then we can all visit there. I don't think it's because they beleive were unfriendly to OS4 here.
Plaz
That's true. Each site has its key selling points. And as long as no tremendous Amiga news appears, all these worlds will live their own way. With many common features I know, but the point to arrange some major shift in userbase by gathering them in one place over common topics is impossible to obtain.
Instead of that I was thinking of making some meta-Amiga portal that does NOTHING except aggregating news. I mean to utilize usage of proper forums' RSS mechanisms (eventually proposing the webmasters to polish the API). It wouldn't even have to base on accounts/registration/personalization, a simple rss-formatted messaging with automated redirection to the respective portal would do the job.
That's something I really wish to have since I'm registered here, on awnet and mozone too.
BTW it's "Rogue et al."
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Instead of that I was thinking of making some meta-Amiga portal that does NOTHING except aggregating news.
A bit like amigann (http://www.amigann.com)?
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A bit like amigann (http://www.amigann.com)?
Well first look shows I meant something similar but after several seconds, AVG discovered trojan executing on this very site (MSIE8) so I'll check it again under Linux.
Actually as you can see all those news tree structure here (like hardware, hardware/classic, oses, other oses etc), it is enough to add a top "portal" level, preserving similar or identical frontend (like aorg, aw etc).
These news site you showed is rather manually gathering selected news, plus references (I saw it for five seconds). What I meant is an unmanned portal - automatical news/forum topic extraction.
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Suncom made one of those (fit the 128 nicely) and while I'm sure it was OK for GEOS, I can't imagine playing games with it.
That was it, thanks. The GEOS tie-in was one of their marketing points, but it worked great for other apps too. No, you wouldn't or couldn't use it for games where you do a lot of stick slamming. I can't seem to easily find a picture on the net any where. Maybe I'll have to put one or two in the gallery here if there aren't any already.
Plaz
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@DiskDoctor
ANN.lu V2.0? I miss that one. Big problem however for any news feed today is the lack of news.
Plaz
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@JJ
I usually visit amiga.org, amigaworld.net and amigans.net. Amigaworld.net was the main OS4 support site for a few years, so that is where I post most often. Many, but not all, devs have setup support forums on amigans.net. That site has strict rules of behaviour, so I suppose they feel safer there.
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redfox
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@DiskDoctor
ANN.lu V2.0? I miss that one. Big problem however for any news feed today is the lack of news.
Plaz
Actually I meant two things:
1) news feed (not too many of'em are there though)
2) new forums posts feed <-- this one would do the job!
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@Piru
AFAIK, the last few Pegasos1's had the A660BNGE revision (the "fixed" revision) of the Articia S,
Could be, but I bet that was only because those were the only chips available. To my knowledge it was very hard to get any chips from Mai Logic. In fact, on occasion external third party had to step in before the already paid chips were delivered.
and a handful of them was even sold in a G4 bundle, but indeed there were still issues.
I've heard of only one somewhat working Pegasos1 with a G4 (I actually demoed it at assembly 2003):
http://saku.amigafin.org/yhdistys/tapahtumat/assembly03/kuvat/113-1344_IMG.JPG
http://saku.amigafin.org/yhdistys/tapahtumat/assembly03/kuvat/Assembly03_Pegasos_G4_Specs.jpg
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A bit like amigann (http://www.amigann.com)?
I'm not possitive but I think that site just tried to load some malware on my windows box. Some thing call "secure service" attemped to load. Google shows the site as clean though, so I'm not sure where that just came from. My host of 4 different scanners/cleaners show I'm clear ATM.
Plaz
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@DiskDoctor
ANN.lu V2.0? I miss that one. Big problem however for any news feed today is the lack of news.
Plaz
I loved ann.lu
I think CK closed it down because of the amount of crap that was being posted, as much as anything else.
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Probably due to the more technical nature of this site, they would have to post more indepth posts... A quick look at the last posts by them on AmigaWorld show little to interest the average user of this site.
True.
Check out this page about the "Secret project of Hyperion"
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29177&forum=2
It is pure vague speculative nonsence.
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These news site you showed is rather manually gathering selected news, plus references (I saw it for five seconds). What I meant is an unmanned portal - automatical news/forum topic extraction.
I could be wrong, but I think AmigaNN aggregates various RSS feeds rather than relying on manual work.
see here (http://utilitybase.com/projects/amigann) for more info.
Didn't realise there were still problems with malware - there was a deliberate attack on the server that hosts AmigaNN and various other sites a while back. Thought it had been cleared up.
I only visit the site under AmigaOS, so no problems here :-)
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2) new forums posts feed <-- this one would do the job!
#2 would be nice. I'm on other forums that update you with the latest posts on threads you want to follow. Nice feature.
Plaz
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Didn't realise there were still problems with malware - there was a deliberate attack on the server that hosts AmigaNN and various other sites a while back. Thought it had been cleared up.
I only visit the site under AmigaOS, so no problems here :-)
Normally I'm using Opera or Firefox on the PC. This morning I'm being lazy, and see what it gets me? :) Not 100% sure it was amigann or not, but I visited the page, the browser locked up, I killed all my open browers, relaunched IE and got virus scanner warnings immediately after. Then I spend the next 15-20 minutes manually running my scanners to be safe. I'd revisit for another test, but I don't feel like spending more time flirting with malware, too many choirs waiting on my and I guess it's time to get to some of them. Maybe later I'll fire up a virtual box that I can roll back if it gets infected and check again.
Plaz
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Normally I'm using Opera or Firefox on the PC. This morning I'm being lazy, and see what it gets me? :) Not 100% sure it was amigann or not, but I visited the page, the browser locked up, I killed all my open browers, relaunched IE and got virus scanner warnings immediately after.
The website is infected with pharming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharming) attacks: As soon as you browse the site the malicious code will attempt to take over your system by using multitudes of different methods, including infected swf and pdf documents abusing vulnerabilities in Flash player and Adobe Acrobat.
The malicious files are hosted in chinese (.cn) domains.
It is quite likely that amigann is innocent victim here aswell, and the site has been hacked. I'll investigate further soon. Meanwhile, I am urging caution when browsing the site. Even better, avoid the site altogether.
update1:
As far as I can tell the malware comes from malicious google ads. Suspicious URLs look like:
http://****mail.org/licky/etChunksFrom.swf
http://****anag.cn/rf/fromFactLooks.swf
http://****ci.cn/redirect/include/spl.php?stat=Linux|Mozilla%205.0|FI|Mozilla
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The malicious files are hosted in chinese (.ch) domains.
Swiss domains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ch), actually. :)
(I've been confused by this as well)
EDIT: No longer relevant due to typographical corrections by Piru. I'll leave this post up as an educational aid :)
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Could be, but I bet that was only because those were the only chips available. To my knowledge it was very hard to get any chips from Mai Logic. In fact, on occasion external third party had to step in before the already paid chips were delivered.
Yep, and I think it was only about 24 chips or so in that last delivery that had that revision number. But it was enough for bplan to make the conclusion that the "fixed" revision was still bug ridden. Anyway, I completely agree with you that you can't really compare the A1 (*any* version) with a Pegasos 1 when it comes to stability and quality. Those boards played in completely different leagues even.
I've heard of only one somewhat working Pegasos1 with a G4 (I actually demoed it at assembly 2003):
http://saku.amigafin.org/yhdistys/tapahtumat/assembly03/kuvat/113-1344_IMG.JPG
http://saku.amigafin.org/yhdistys/tapahtumat/assembly03/kuvat/Assembly03_Pegasos_G4_Specs.jpg
I don't know why, but the number "5" pops up in my mind regarding this. Anyway, I know of at least one other Peg1 G4; Ironfist had one, and AFAIK the site "pegasos.org" was hosted on it for a while. But yeah, I guess you *can* dismiss the Pegasos 1 G4 as some experimental/evaluation thing...
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I'm not possitive but I think that site just tried to load some malware on my windows box. Some thing call "secure service" attemped to load. Google shows the site as clean though, so I'm not sure where that just came from. My host of 4 different scanners/cleaners show I'm clear ATM.
Plaz
Same here, it (MSIE8+AVGFree+Win7) locked the site for a while and moved some cr*p to a vault. The site managed to launch Adobe Reader though. Anyway I made another visit and first look is just news and links. I largely mean't NEW FORUM POSTS on any amiga site. Any Amiga site (wwmaster) plugs in (by providing the proper feed or adjusting API if no new forum feed is avaliable) and then bang, you've got the aggregator.
Instead of checking several sides all the time (several to some, only one for others), you just check all-in-one-place and then redirect yourself to the portal with some conversation you find interesting.
As far as I know it's just a matter of collecting feeds and defining them as a multiple source for some chosen cms. As I stated above, nice tree-like structure would be crucial, the original portal but also scope like hardware/software etc.
One more remark - if I myself was able to utilize such feature, I would for sure check and read EAB or some other Amiga portals in my locale. Now I don't mainly because I spend some significant amount of my spare time on Amiga sites already. Less time = more portals, at least to me.
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Swiss domains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ch), actually. :)
(I've been confused by this as well)
no, chinese. I just typoed there.
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The website is infected with pharming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharming) attacks: As soon as you browse the site the malicious code will attempt to take over your system by using multitudes of different methods, including infected swf and pdf documents abusing vulnerabilities in Flash player and Adobe Acrobat.
The malicious files are hosted in chinese (.cn) domains.
It is quite likely that amigann is innocent victim here aswell, and the site has been hacked. I'll investigate further soon. Meanwhile, I am urging caution when browsing the site. Even better, avoid the site altogether.
update1:
As far as I can tell the malware comes from malicious google ads. Suspicious URLs look like:
http://****mail.org/licky/etChunksFrom.swf
http://****anag.cn/rf/fromFactLooks.swf
http://****ci.cn/redirect/include/spl.php?stat=Linux|Mozilla%205.0|FI|Mozilla
Man, this is ill.
How in the hell could Google, Inc. help in delivering malicious content to the users?? Do they have a disclaimer in their ad argreement that they aren't responsible for the content? Is this LEGALLY correct?
You know G Inc is some sort of a virgin in an IT world. They made cool search, cool video storage (by buying it), coll ajax mail, cool cellphones, browser, but unlike Microsoft or Apple, no one ever sued them yet.
Maybe it is high time someone did then?
After reading this, I would be first person todo so.
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How in the hell could Google, Inc. help in delivering malicious content to the users?
Google isn't, directly.
The ads are such that they have either time or IP address (or something else) triggering the extra content. At the time of the ad purchase or when google looks at it, it appears perfectly legit. Only after the trigger fires the malware is activated. I've seen this trick being used quite a lot lately. Many high profile sites have been hit.
There's very little google can do to fight against such attacks.
Maybe it is high time someone did then?
I don't know what that would accomplish really.
Users can fight against these attacks by making sure that their antivirus, operating system and applications are always kept up to date. Windows users should install Secunia Personal Software Inspector (http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/).
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Google isn't, directly.
The ads are such that they have either time or IP address (or something else) triggering the extra content. At the time of the ad purchase or when google looks at it, it appears perfectly legit. Only after the trigger fires the malware is activated. I've seen this trick being used quite a lot lately. Many high profile sites have been hit.
There's very little google can do to fight against such attacks.
I don't know what that would accomplish really.
Someone's legal responsitivity for someone else's loss.
You know my type. Help in malware distribution is a crime I guess, both here, in US, name it.
Technical limitations MUST NOT drive some action's legal justification. You do something wrong and you cannot fix it, LEAVE IT OR TAKE RESPONSITIVITY.
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Someone's legal responsitivity for someone else's loss.
You know my type. Help in malware distribution is a crime I guess, both here, in US, name it.
So, I guess this means that if someone hacks your computer and uses it to distribute malware, you should be held accountable for all damages? ;)
IMHO google is equally a victim here.
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So, I guess this means that if someone hacks your computer and uses it to distribute malware, you should be held accountable for all damages? ;)
IMHO google is equally a victim here.
It depends. If you conciously left your notebook without any password in some public place, then YOU.
Google should fix their security procedures; limit technologies, rise prices and store&check all served content etc. IMAO.
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@Piru
OK but this is off topic. I'll just leave the matter and have discussed with someone else.
Actually my temper here comes from the fact that this October I start PG IP Law studies So I kindda like those issues :lol:
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The website is infected with pharming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharming) attacks: As soon as you browse the site the malicious code will attempt to take over your system by using multitudes of different methods, including infected swf and pdf documents abusing vulnerabilities in Flash player and Adobe Acrobat.
The malicious files are hosted in chinese (.cn) domains.
It is quite likely that amigann is innocent victim here aswell, and the site has been hacked. I'll investigate further soon. Meanwhile, I am urging caution when browsing the site. Even better, avoid the site altogether.
update1:
As far as I can tell the malware comes from malicious google ads. Suspicious URLs look like:
http://****mail.org/licky/etChunksFrom.swf
http://****anag.cn/rf/fromFactLooks.swf
http://****ci.cn/redirect/include/spl.php?stat=Linux|Mozilla%205.0|FI|Mozilla
I wondered why my acrobat reader was going mental!!