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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Miked on July 06, 2009, 09:00:09 AM
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Just wanted to thank the authors of Netsurf 2.1 for 68k Amigas. I am testing it out on Winuae, but am going to install it on my miggy next. It's great to finally have a CSS browser for 68k Amigas. It has a couple of bugs... sometimes it's hard to type in text (for example it took several attempts to get the browser to type in my name and password and sometimes typing in text for a new message thread or reply can be tricky, i.e. the text doesn't always appear or there can be a delay in seeing the characters appear on the screen) However, the rendering is very good (although I have only been using it for 15 minutes :) )
Keep up the great work guys!
-Miked
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I was wondering, what workbench version are you using? and what is the processor type? 68030 or better?
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For Winuae I use OS 3.1. I have a Derringer 030 installed in my Amiga with 32megs of Ram. I am wondering if this will be enough to run Netsurf smoothly, but I will give it a try. Netsurf runs very fast in Winuae... i really am enjoying it.
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Just fixing some typos
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From where did you download it? Or you had to compile it yourself? I am asking because I found more then one link to download from:
this one:
http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/netsurf.lha
and this one:
http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/amiga/
Note: both seem to be identical. I managed to get the one above installed. However have problems to make it run. That is why I asked if you built it yourself.
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on my winuae amikit, amigasys or amigaos 3.1, netsurf don't surf..it seems offline forever
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@Seiya
Did you turn on bsdlibrary-emulation in WinIUA? Did you install the usergroup.library to AmiTCP:Libs/ as suggested?
selco, http://selco.da.ru
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I downloaded Netsurf from aminet. Make sure you have AmiTCP installed and it should run without any problems. (And I, too, have bsdsocket.library emulation enabled in Winuae)
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If you have bsdsocket-emulation enabled, you do *not* need to have the full AmiTCP installation running. bsdsocket-emulation does almost everything for you. The only thing you need IIRC is the usergroup.library in AmiTCP:lib (And the assign AmiTCP: of course)
selco, http://selco.da.ru
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@miked: netsurf should even work with 16mb ram.
@sim85: these are os4 netsurf port links. netsurf 68k is here:
http://aminet.net/comm/www/netsurf-m68k.lha
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The version I downloaded from Aminet, works very well on my real maiga (Cyberstorm MKII, 060 128MB, Cybervision 3D/Scandoubler, Z3 with 48MB, Deneb2.0, X-Surf, KS3.1/OS3.9 BB1 & 2, MIAMI). Rendering can be slow, but it depends on website - Amiga.org is reasonable Google News is slow.
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@ selco
My reply was a bit vague. I have the usergroup.library in the correct location in winuae. On my Amiga 500 I have installed AmiTCP.
@ tumbleweed
I hope rendering isn't too slow with an 030.
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I found this:
http://www.acc.umu.se/~patrikax/amiga/guides/AmiTCP_Install/
Looks like a good step by step guide to install AmiTCP. Just in case anyone (like me) has some trouble in understanding how to install this :)
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It has a couple of bugs... sometimes it's hard to type in text (for example it took several attempts to get the browser to type in my name and password and sometimes typing in text for a new message thread or reply can be tricky, i.e. the text doesn't always appear or there can be a delay in seeing the characters appear on the screen) However, the rendering is very good (although I have only been using it for 15 minutes :) )
Keep up the great work guys!
-Miked
this is know, and if you know what problem is, you can avoid.for example make sure when you want type text in, that the page is in top left postion.(press cursor up and cursor left until no move can see)
But as told netsurf is much rearrange due to google code of summer project.the sdl stuff come now in a lib called libnsfb.so best is wait wait some weeks until rearrange is finish.
when a user have AOS 3.5 or 3.9 he can install genesis.
only what need is a
assign amitcp: your_genesis dir
You need not go online with genesis, you can use miami as before, there are only some files in amitcp: dir need
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when scroll full down on a site that have for example 500 lines and then
press the back button to show a page that have only 40 lines.Then is
nothing show.seem cursor pos is not set back to show page at line 0.only
when press some time cursor up, then content is show
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there is no cursor show in textinput fields
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when add a internet address and press return, the new page is load, when
then press cursor to scroll the page, wired chars are then show in page
string gadget.i think after press return, the input gadget should leave.
only help is after type in link click outside string gadget
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the Text input in a Page show no text during type when the page is scroll
before.
it work only when the page is in top left position.
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@Seiya
Did you turn on bsdlibrary-emulation in WinIUA? Did you install the usergroup.library to AmiTCP:Libs/ as suggested?
selco, http://selco.da.ru
bsdsocket is alwasy on, but i didn't know of usergroup.library.
i'll copy this library :)
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I downloaded Netsurf from aminet. Make sure you have AmiTCP installed and it should run without any problems.
I have an old copy of Miami that I still use. Does Netsurf specifically need AmiTCP?
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It runs reasonably well on 68k, definitely better than I would have expected! :)
I have an old copy of Miami that I still use. Does Netsurf specifically need AmiTCP?
It works here with MiamiDx.
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ok, i found the library and now it works greatly.
with a scrollbar will be very great
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Let me know when it's better than the last release of iBrowse running on an 030 and I'll switch over :)
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I have an old copy of Miami that I still use. Does Netsurf specifically need AmiTCP?
Nope. Worked for me with Miami on OS 3.5bb2 (A4000T). It took up all my available ram (64MB) though, after loading a page or two. While the port is obviously very accomplished, there is not much in the way of Amiga-comformity. i.e. no public screen support, no mapping of colormaps on 256-color screens, no window-resizing, etc. Hopefully this is a direction in which the browser will be taken. Great starting point.
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Let me know when it's better than the last release of iBrowse running on an 030 and I'll switch over :)
its no question if better or not, its a question if the pages you use are show correct.
when you surf only amiga pages that are build to not use CSS, then all is ok, but when you want show pages that are not show in ibrowse correct, or are unusable, then ibrowse does not help.
i get report that some pages are show faster with netsurf than with ibrowse, but i thinbk because processing CSS cost speed, and ibrowse or aweb ignore it, then pages are faster show in general because the pages look complete diffrent without CSS able browser.
that 64 megabyte are not enough is maybe because of cacheing.unix have no commands to check for availible mem.
i ask in netsurf ML how low mem handler work on netsurf.
normaly when netsurf run out of mem it can clear the content of previous pages.
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>It took up all my available ram (64MB) though, after loading a page >or two.
what pages you are load ?
I play a little with big pages and click many links, and i notice it uses around 32 megabytes.I use a netsurf window size of 1000*900 and 32 bit.with 16 bit memory usage should be lower.
so a 64 megabyte system seem have enough mem for netsurf.
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>It took up all my available ram (64MB) though, after loading a page >or two.
what pages you are load ?
I play a little with big pages and click many links, and i notice it uses around 32 megabytes.I use a netsurf window size of 1000*900 and 32 bit.with 16 bit memory usage should be lower.
so a 64 megabyte system should have enough mem for netsurf.
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If you have bsdsocket-emulation enabled, you do *not* need to have the full AmiTCP installation running. bsdsocket-emulation does almost everything for you. The only thing you need IIRC is the usergroup.library in AmiTCP:lib (And the assign AmiTCP: of course)
selco, http://selco.da.ru
Dear Amiga people,
I am trying to install the NetSurf browser (v 2.7) on an emulated version of Worbench 3.1 (latest version of WinUAE), and I am running into problems.
First and foremost, when trying to access any website, I get a “Could not resolve host” error message at the bottom of the browser. Please see screenshot here (http://www.bdtheque.com/temp/amiga-screenshot.jpg).
I have ticked the bdsocket.library option. In fact other browsers (iBrowse, aWeb) can access the web fine.
I note your comment regarding AmiTCP, and the fact that I need to copy the usergroup.library file to AmiTCP:lib. I believe I have done this correctly, since the “Please insert volume AmiTCP in any drive” message goes away. Also when I type the command “dir AmiTCP:lib” it lists the usergroup.library file, as expected (again see same screenshot above)
So where am I going wrong?
Also I have another problem: in the browser window itself, when clicking on most of the controls at the top (address bar, etc.) I get an “Abort trap – Netsurf” error Window. The window is entitled “ixemul.library”. Again I believe I have installed the correct version in the right place.
I would appreciate any help or comments. Let me know if you need any more information from me (versions, screenshots etc,)
Thanks a lot! :)
Alix
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Dear Amiga people,
I am trying to install the NetSurf browser (v 2.7) on an emulated version of Worbench 3.1 (latest version of WinUAE), and I am running into problems.
First and foremost, when trying to access any website, I get a “Could not resolve host” error message at the bottom of the browser. Please see screenshot here (http://www.bdtheque.com/temp/amiga-screenshot.jpg).
I have ticked the bdsocket.library option. In fact other browsers (iBrowse, aWeb) can access the web fine.
I note your comment regarding AmiTCP, and the fact that I need to copy the usergroup.library file to AmiTCP:lib. I believe I have done this correctly, since the “Please insert volume AmiTCP in any drive” message goes away. Also when I type the command “dir AmiTCP:lib” it lists the usergroup.library file, as expected (again see same screenshot above)
So where am I going wrong?
Also I have another problem: in the browser window itself, when clicking on most of the controls at the top (address bar, etc.) I get an “Abort trap – Netsurf” error Window. The window is entitled “ixemul.library”. Again I believe I have installed the correct version in the right place.
I would appreciate any help or comments. Let me know if you need any more information from me (versions, screenshots etc,)
Thanks a lot! :)
Alix
normaly it should work.if a reboot do not help, you can look with snoopdos, if it fail some lib to open.
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normaly it should work.if a reboot do not help, you can look with snoopdos, if it fail some lib to open.
Thanks for this. It did indicate that the usergroup.library still failed to load.
And I have now worked out why. It should be in a "libs" folder, with an "s"... not "lib" as specified in an earlier message! I can't believe I have spent hours on this :)
Anyway, thanks!