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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: DoomMaster on October 28, 2003, 06:01:02 PM
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What are the minimum requirements for CD recording on an Amiga 2500? I have the Revision 6.3 motherboard, a 68030 board, 9 megs of memory, an A2091 SCSI card, a Seagate 7200 RPM hard disk and a Plexter CD-RW drive. Do I need anything else and what software do I use? Please, no bs or ego trips. Thanks. :-D
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You'll need MakeCD or BurnIT software packages, both are commercial but you can try out the demos on Aminet.
But I'll tell you this right now: you're going to struggle to be able to burn with an 030 and 9MB of ram.
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@ doomy I promise i wont take the P!$$
But....
Why the chuffin heck are you trying to do it on an Amiga when it says in your sig you have an P4 :-P ?
On a serious note. A CD is 800 Meg Roughly so say at least double if you want to work with full CD's.
If you want to edit CD's / Songs
Memory should not be a problem as you dont have enough to do RAM editing anyway, so you you'll be using hard disc based project.
Recording CPU wise you should be OK Editing wise forget it. I find HD editing 60-70 meg AIFF files slow even on an 060.
I recommend Samplitude Opus / AHI Record You will need a sampler as well such as the excellent Meglosound from hisoft.
If you want to burn mp3's straight back to CDROM on the fly then you'll need mpega.library and a burn proof writer that does not suffer from under runs.
Saying that bin the 2000 get a 1200, stick a mediator in it, an 060, soundblaster 128, voodoo 3 and you'll be sorted.
:-P
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Saying that bin the 2000 get a 1200, stick a mediator in it, an 060, soundblaster 128, voodoo 3 and you'll be sorted.
I agree your border line with that slow 030 an 060 a1200 is much better and ppc card is better still .You are limited by your militry spec professional machine because you only have 9 meg of memory my toy a1200 has a 160 megs of memory which makes your computer look even more dated . :-)
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PPC at this time doesn't make any difference about the burning speed, with Amiga OS3.x. There are only 68k burning apps available at the moment, so a 68060 CPU is the best you can get. I doubt that there would be much, if any defference between an A2000 with Blizzard 2060 and an A1200 with Blizzard 1260, unless of course you use Fast ATA controller on the A1200 which is a bit faster than the Blizzard Fast SCSI-2 controller, however with no DMA.
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I do not care about burning music to CDs. I can do that on my Pentium 4 machine. All I want to do is burn SOFTWARE (games, productivty, MODs, pictures, etc) onto Amiga formatted CDs, so that I do not have to change the names of the files. I want to be able to run Amiga programs from the CD or copy the folders containing those programs to my Amiga hard disk. :roll:
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I used to burn cd's with my Amiga 1200 with a 68030 at 50 MHz. The maximum burning speed I could burn safely was 4 speed, but if you buy a CD-Rewriter with burnproof, you could burn at higher speed. The software I used were AsimCDFS 3.10 and MasterISO 2.4. Version 2.5 has some problems with my Blizzard 1230 SCSI-kit. I haven't try to use makeCD or Burnit. I think 8 MB of RAM is enough to burn a CD. I have in that machine 48 MB of RAM.
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To KennyR:
But I'll tell you this right now: you're going to struggle to be able to burn with an 030 and 9MB of ram.
Why is that? All I want to do is format Amiga CDs and copy files to the CDs. What I already have should be MORE then enough to do this. :-o
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do not care about burning music to CDs. I can do that on my Pentium 4 machine. All I want to do is burn SOFTWARE (games
Hope there not copyright games .
Makecd is one of the best cd programs and if you find your 030 is not fast enough you could reduce the burning speed down. on my a1200 with ppc it is an 040 at 25 mhz that is used with out problem for cd burning but the writer in the system is only a crapy 2 speed memorex.A faster drive with burnproof would be your best option. :-)
Im sure your 9 meg of memory should be enough . the program itself does not need much memory.
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To amiga1260:
Thanks for your reply. Recording a CD-R at 4 speed will be just fine. I burn at that speed on my Pentium 4 computer anyway, even though my CD-RW drive can burn at 36 speed. I found out that low speed (4X to 8X) single-session burned CD-Rs are the most reliable. Reliability is more important to me then speed. I am in no hurry, so recording software onto CD-Rs at 4 speed will be just fine, just as long as the content on the CD will last for at least 100 years on CD-R Pro Archival Quality CDs. :-D
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To amigamad:
I also have an 040 board, but I actually prefer the Commodore 030 card. On the 040 board I can install up to 32 megs of 32-bit memory. Do you think the 040 board will make a difference? If it does, then I will try it. :-P
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I think magnetic tape is better to store data for 100 years...
Recent tests say that cdrs are not very reliable, not even the more expensive brands... the data will just end up getting corrupted in 20 years or so... :-(
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To Tomas:
[color=FF0033]HUH ?![/color][/b] :-o
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@ Doomie
I've been writing CDs with a 030@25 and 18MB (16 fast & 2 chip) ram, using MakeCD. If you want to make CDs for backup-storage etc, then speed won't be an issue (what matters is to have the CD with an Amiga FS, protection bits & file comments). So try to create ISO image files first, and then burn the ISO at minimum/single speed... (to avoid buffer underruns).
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I think magnetic tape is better to store data for 100 years...
Recent tests say that cdrs are not very reliable, not even the more expensive brands... the data will just end up getting corrupted in 20 years or so...
Might be true. I think some of it can be attributed to how the media is stored, while quality of the media is important too.
(Personally, I've had CD-Rs corrupt in less than a years time.. Granted, they were the cheapest I could find, but they should last a LOT longer than that.)
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Well with a 030 @25 MHz you should not try burning on the fly even with 2x speed when you have a lot of small files. Even on a 040 with 80 MB burnbuffer I got a bufferunderun while backing up a partition I had amiatlas installed on at 4x speed and it was an SCSI-system.
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@DoomMaster
All I want to do is burn SOFTWARE (games, productivty, MODs, pictures, etc) onto Amiga formatted CDs, so that I do not have to change the names of the files. I want to be able to run Amiga programs from the CD or copy the folders containing those programs to my Amiga hard disk.
There is no such thing as "Amiga formatted CD". However, most Amiga CD mastering programs support ISO RockRidge extensions (SUSP, IEEE P1281 (http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/~bjh21/susp112.pdf), RRIP IEEE P1281 (http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/~bjh21/rrip112.pdf)), these allow upto 30 char filenames, mixed-case names, and storing amiga file attributes and comments.
To stay most compatible you probably want to use Joliet extensions. This allows you to read the files properly on Amiga and Windoze (and Mac). Then you can do the burning on your Windoze P4 aswell. You don't get amiga attributes or comments then, though.
All I want to do is format Amiga CDs and copy files to the CDs. What I already have should be MORE then enough to do this.
Amiga CD-R[W] burning doesn't (currently) support packet writing. Even if it did, your A2000HD would have too little resources for it.
For a technician you seem to have little clue on how CD-R(W) burning works. On low end systems (like your A2000HD), you first construct the ISO Image file containing prebuilt filesystem and all the data. Once ready, the actual burning just involves starting the burn operation and feeding the drive with the data from the image file. High end systems (like my A1200 and Pegasos, and your P4) manage to construct the imagefile on the fly and thus no temporary imagefile is needed.
CD-RW can be erased, but this is not formatting in traditional sense, the medium is just initialized to empty state (no filesystem is created here).
Packet writing is different issue, but since there is no software to do it and your A2000HD is too slow for it anyway, you can forget it.
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But I'll tell you this right now: you're going to struggle to be able to burn with an 030 and 9MB of ram.
Why is that? All I want to do is format Amiga CDs and copy files to the CDs. What I already have should be MORE then enough to do this.
No, it's not. CD writers aren't simple recorders: they need a constant stream of data while writing or they skip and the cd is ruined.
An 030 just isn't up to this. I can do it on 040/25 - which is twice the speed of an 030/50 - but I need 64MB of cache. And that's with burnproof (JustLink and JustSpeed). Any less ram, or if I try to do something else in the background, and it's coaster time.
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DoomMaster wrote:
To Tomas:
[color=FF0033]HUH ?![/color][/b] :-o
You certainly dont read news then.
.just as long as the content on the CD will last for at least 100 years on CD-R Pro Archival Quality CDs.
There is no way you are able to store data on a cd for 100 years, even if it is a CD-R Pro Archival Quality CD :-P
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I read an article about how long different medias hold their data. CDs had a span of (at least) 20 to (at best) 100 years. I assume this means a properly made CD, dunno if the figures are applicable to home burned ones as such.
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To KennyR:
An 030 just isn't up to this. I can do it on 040/25 - which is twice the speed of an 030/50 - but I need 64MB of cache. And that's with burnproof (JustLink and JustSpeed). Any less ram, or if I try to do something else in the background, and it's coaster time.
Will 32 megs of ram and an 040 board be good enough? :-?
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Your machine should be quick enough,
but I suggest the following:
1. Always Create an ISO file, which is just
an "image" of the ISO9660 format CD data,
ready to burn directly from the file. This
saves the on-the-fly conversion overhead.
2. Burn at 1x or maybe 2x.
MakeCD or BurnIT is probably the best
choice of software.
I burnt cds fine on an 060 based A1200 and
a 030 based 4000 before. Of course my
Pegasos can burn CDs at over 16x without
problems now. :)
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Shouldn't a 030 be able to write an iso at 1x or 2x speed? I did this on a 386 sx25 with 8MB ram so I don't think the processor will be a problem. Still can't get it why you would possibly want a 030 in your machine instead of a 040?
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To fx:
Still can't get it why you would possibly want a 030 in your machine instead of a 040?
Because the Commodore A2630 is a higher quality board then my 68040 board. Also, the 68030 does not suffer from overheating problems like the 68040 does, so the 68030 is a more reliable processor then the 68040. With me, quality and reliability always comes first, then performance. I will not sacrifice quality and reliability for performance. This is the reason why I have and use the Amiga 2000 Series computers and I do NOT use the Amiga 500, 500+, 600 or 1200. :-D
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DoomMaster wrote:
What are the minimum requirements for CD recording on an Amiga 2500? I have the Revision 6.3 motherboard, a 68030 board, 9 megs of memory, an A2091 SCSI card, a Seagate 7200 RPM hard disk and a Plexter CD-RW drive. Do I need anything else and what software do I use? Please, no bs or ego trips. Thanks. :-D
Bah! Do PC things on your PC, and Amiga things on your Amiga :-P
Sorry.
What's the slowest Amiga anyone's ever done this on anyway? I'd love to buy a 2-decades old A1000 and upgrade it to the point it could burn CD's just for the sheer hell of it :-P
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Hear is your chance. Just head to Texas (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4810). :-D
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To Argo:
:roflmao: