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Title: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: apj on July 01, 2009, 11:37:47 AM
An Update of AmigaOS-3.x-Port of NetSurf, CSS-capable Browser, can be found on Aminet.

Download: http://aminet.net/comm/www/netsurf-m68k.lha (7 MB)

Changes:

    * Added Window title caption
    * Added better pointer support
    * Added nicer toolbar icons
    * Added home page button
    * Added favourite sites panel
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: Seiya on July 02, 2009, 08:46:44 AM
but don't surf in internet..
i installaed on winuae amigasys4.
it loads very well, but there is no connection.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: selco on July 02, 2009, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Seiya;514206
but don't surf in internet..
i installaed on winuae amigasys4.
it loads very well, but there is no connection.


I installed it on WinUAE with bsdsocket emulation enabled. It works really great, *with* the Internet. There must be some other problem on your installation.

The only think I did not manage so far was the use of http_proxy under WinUAE/bsdsocket emulation. (necessary at work for most internet pages)
At home without the proxy requirement its really nice!

regards selco
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: apj on July 02, 2009, 03:11:56 PM
Quote from: Seiya;514206
but don't surf in internet..
i installaed on winuae amigasys4.
it loads very well, but there is no connection.


The cause may be that usergroup.library is missing. Install it (it's from AmiTCP package)
to AmiTCP:Libs and please tell us if it works.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: apj on July 02, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: selco;514230
I installed it on WinUAE with bsdsocket emulation enabled. It works really great, *with* the Internet. There must be some other problem on your installation.

The only think I did not manage so far was the use of http_proxy under WinUAE/bsdsocket emulation. (necessary at work for most internet pages)
At home without the proxy requirement its really nice!

regards selco


Add a http_proxy:your_proxy_number option to Resources/Options file.
Please report us if it solved the problem.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: x303 on July 02, 2009, 08:35:17 PM
This version now works on my system with amigasys4 and amikit, although the window is a bit too small and the scrollbars don't work (the arrows do work). Strangely it still doesn't work (no connection) on my own setup. I've already made serveral changes taken from the amigasys4 and amikit setups, but can't get it to work. Any ideas ???

x303 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: apj on July 02, 2009, 08:53:55 PM
Do what it suggested Seiya and it should work.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: yssing on July 02, 2009, 09:21:20 PM
I can't even get it to start in UAE
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: wawrzon on July 03, 2009, 11:22:01 AM
@x303: you can set window resolution in the resources/options file.
@yssing: you have to have the ixemul.library 61.1 installed and an appropriate screenmode set. since the most people having problems are using 24bit workbbench and uae dosnt supportit as im told. so maybe u have an 8bit color depth, if not just try another 32/16 bit mode?
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: x303 on July 03, 2009, 12:34:10 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;514361
@x303: you can set window resolution in the resources/options file.

Thx. Unfortunately, when using amikit setting netsurf's window to 1024x768 made the right scrollbar fall out of the window. And sometimes the window isn't refreshed until you scroll the page up/down.
Javascript support still disabled ?

x303 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: selco on July 03, 2009, 02:05:45 PM
@x303
Visit the netsurf homepage, http://www.netsurf-browser.org, yes javascript is still kind of "disabled", or, to me more accurate,  development state is "Not started" ;-)
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: unusedunused on July 03, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
netsurf need amitcp.maybe thats problem

if you have OS3.5 or 3.9 install genesis, (need not start, you can still use Miami)

then you need add a assign  for amitcp to your genesis dir.

assign amitcp: dh1:genesis  

its also possible that you have some time ago disable ixemul internet access.

start ixprefs and look if this is switch on.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: x303 on July 03, 2009, 06:55:48 PM
Quote from: bernd_afa;514393
its also possible that you have some time ago disable ixemul internet access.

start ixprefs and look if this is switch on.

Thx for your help. I put networking support on and netsurf worked (still a bit slow, but..). I moved the ixemul config from my a1200, which never had to enable network support. It only made the system a lot slower because it was looking for inet all the time. So I turned it off ages ago.
Again thx for your top tip. I never would have found it without you.

x303 :afro::afro::afro:
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: wawrzon on July 04, 2009, 06:09:54 AM
@x303, maybe this was not clearly stated (due to language barrier, lol) but netsurf expects your size definition to be browser area only, tollbars and so on apparently add to that, so you have to define your window at least 20 pixels smaller than your display resolution.

@artur: your last ns versions throw hits on my setup on the start and close. i recall as if it was already taken care of in the last version, but i cant check since crash wiped last updates out of my boot partition? bernds builds doesnt show that problem. maybe check back with him.

also i would opt for the original netsurf toolbar images at the moment. these turquise overlay it is supposed to be alpha channel i believe. there is still some rendering glitches with half transparent images. i dont think it makes sence to check against os4 version since it isnt sdl anymore.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: x303 on July 04, 2009, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;514444
@x303, maybe this was not clearly stated (due to language barrier, lol) but netsurf expects your size definition to be browser area only, tollbars and so on apparently add to that, so you have to define your window at least 20 pixels smaller than your display resolution.

Sorry, but this IS a bug. Setting the windowsize to 800x600 kicks the right scrollbar out. Setting it 20 pix smaller gets it in, but the total windowsize becomes 788x600, not 800x600 !!! BTW, i think the code itself should distract the 20 pix off the total size, not the user.

x303 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: apj on July 04, 2009, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: x303;514452
Sorry, but this IS a bug. Setting the windowsize to 800x600 kicks the right scrollbar out. Setting it 20 pix smaller gets it in, but the total windowsize becomes 788x600, not 800x600 !!! BTW, i think the code itself should distract the 20 pix off the total size, not the user.

x303 :D :D :D


Done.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: wawrzon on July 04, 2009, 03:46:21 PM
@artur: very nice, but check these transparecy issues, i think it is more important. if this is fixed all other issues seem to be general netsurf problems. imho its better to stay conform with the main source than workaround. also a lot of people dont get netsurf started cause they have 24bit wb set and it takes ages before they realize. if i understood bernd right 24bit plotter is now available, how about that?
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: unusedunused on July 04, 2009, 05:19:35 PM
Quote from: x303;514452
Sorry, but this IS a bug. Setting the windowsize to 800x600 kicks the right scrollbar out. Setting it 20 pix smaller gets it in, but the total windowsize becomes 788x600, not 800x600 !!! BTW, i think the code itself should distract the 20 pix off the total size, not the user.

x303 :D :D :D


the code do nothing, it want a window open with 1024*768.but with the window borders the window need more room.

sdl does not know about window borders, amiga os shrink the window automatic to fit on screen.

i need change sdl to fix that for all programs

BTW: i find a option that let set antialiasing on and off.this allow faster speed with truetype fonts

fb_font_monochrome:true

>if i understood bernd right 24bit plotter is now available, how about >that?

i dont understand wy 24 bit use, because its slow, remember your fire values of 24 bit screen

so when netsurf run on 24 bit it is maybe slower than necessary
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: x303 on July 04, 2009, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: __artur;514455
Done.

I don't think so. The scrollbars are indeed inside the window, but the windowsize itself is shrunk to 796x588 instead of 800x600.

x303 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: apj on July 04, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: x303;514466
I don't think so. The scrollbars are indeed inside the window, but the windowsize itself is shrunk to 796x588 instead of 800x600.

x303 :D :D :D

So what???
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: x303 on July 04, 2009, 06:15:43 PM
It seems that netsurf doesn't load gif images of webpages. I hope this will be included in a next release.

x303 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: chris on July 04, 2009, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;514444
i dont think it makes sence to check against os4 version since it isnt sdl anymore.


It was never SDL - the SDL version was written after I'd already ported NetSurf.

Chris
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: Munchkin on July 04, 2009, 10:36:01 PM
When I try this on my A4kD with OS3.9 both the non-ttf and the ttf version crashes the computer instantly. Sometimes I get the google page and once or twice I've been able to start loading amiga.org but it always ends with a flashing yellow light on my miggy....
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: wawrzon on July 05, 2009, 01:39:35 AM
@bernd:
""
i dont understand wy 24 bit use, because its slow, remember your fire values of 24 bit screen

so when netsurf run on 24 bit it is maybe slower than necessary
""
sure its slow but at least people do not come with "i doesnt run on my setup" all the time. otherwise put this _explicitly_ in the readme. there might be people too that want truecolor for what it costs but do not have 32bit modis? like it is the case on my p4.
well thats just my advice. it would convince more people from the start too methinks
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: wawrzon on July 05, 2009, 01:44:56 AM
@chris: i didnt know that. i observed some flaws of your version for instance on the bbc page. i suppose you are aware about it but i could provide you with a screenshot if you are interested.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: chris on July 05, 2009, 01:46:49 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;514499
@chris: i didnt know that. i observed some flaws of your version for instance on the bbc page. i suppose you are aware about it but i could provide you with a screenshot if you are interested.


Yes please, if they only relate to my version.

Chris
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: wawrzon on July 05, 2009, 03:04:22 PM
@chris: submitted via mail. the jpeg has become a little too big, i noticed first when sending, sorry.
Title: Re: Netsurf 2.1: 68k-Update
Post by: unusedunused on July 08, 2009, 07:26:57 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;514497
@bernd:
""
i dont understand wy 24 bit use, because its slow, remember your fire values of 24 bit screen

so when netsurf run on 24 bit it is maybe slower than necessary
""
sure its slow but at least people do not come with "i doesnt run on my setup" all the time. otherwise put this _explicitly_ in the readme. there might be people too that want truecolor for what it costs but do not have 32bit modis? like it is the case on my p4.
well thats just my advice. it would convince more people from the start too methinks


but then they think oh netsurf is really slow, its not good.
Maybe Artur add in the aminet readme, if wrong colors you are in 24 bit mode or use 32 bit rgba32 mode.use 16 bit or 32 bit mode on your gfx card.

>When I try this on my A4kD with OS3.9 both the non-ttf and the ttf >version crashes the computer instantly. Sometimes I get the google >page and once or twice I've been able to start loading amiga.org >but it always ends with a flashing yellow light on my miggy....

how many memory have your A4000 , gfx card that is able to do a 800*600 mode ?.if not you need change the option file in netsurf