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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: ami_stuff on June 15, 2009, 02:57:31 PM
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This pool have only one answer, because I just want to check how many people feel the need for up-to-date software for AmigaOS 3.x, ported from Linux.
http://aminet.net/search?readme=ami_stuff
Is there any need to port more or update already ported software to the latest versions? How many people here would like to use it under AOS 3.x (m68k/WinUAE/Amithlon)?
Thanks for reading.
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The obvious need is an updated web browser,preferably SeaMonkey suite.I have always preferred Netscape over IE on the IBM and Mac and SeaMonkey is what I use since Netscape no longer updated.
The lack is why my Amiga isn't used for internet.
Second,might be the OpenOffice suite .
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Thought I would vote on the bottom yes to make it look prettier
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Hi,
Maybe we should have a poll like:
Is there any need for AOS3.X since there have been no computer arriving that support this OS.
Sure wish they would make an Amiga OS version of 4.1 that would work on a PC.
smerf
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That's not entirely true. The Natami will be running OS3 and could certainly benefit from new or updated software such as a decent web browser and a modern office suite.
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yes; definitely.there is still enough decent hw to run this on - much more actually that is available for other amig a-os branches - with most likely more to come. (natami,clone-a,minimig derivates, fpga arcade; u name it)
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Why is it that *I* am always the point of reason on threads like this?
First, it's a nonsensical poll. Rather than take it down though I thought I'd let it stand as such.
Secondly, there is no "need" for up-to-date software for 3.x... There is a desire, and a "it would be cool", but no actual need. AmigaOS is pretty much in the same arena now as the Jaguar, 2600, and other game systems of years past. Remembering of course that the Amiga was a game system which could be a computer, not visa versa.
Lastly, if you see a need for something, you need to actually step up and write it, rather than expressing that someone else needs to do it. We have a few talented coders left in the community, but those who could sit down and write a whole game platform over the weekend have long since gone onto the PC or Mac.
There's plenty of examples available, plenty of tutorials, and a lot of source material to learn from still. Maybe it'd be cool if everyone out there (at least those of us who still own Amigas) would pick and take on a single small development project. Then maybe we'd stop asking silly questions in forums.. :)
Wayne
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This pool have only one answer, because I just want to check how many people feel a need for up-to-date software for AmigaOS 3.x ported from Linux.
I voted...
Is there any need to port more or update already ported software to the latest versions?
Please do. Although i hasve an Amiga with a PPC board+GFX card and i'm in position to run OS4 and MorphOS, AmigaOS 3 is still my preffered platform, for some reason and i'm using some of your ports on it. I just wish you could make some WarpOS ports, as some of your stuff are only really usable on emulated Amigas due to high CPU demand.
Keep up the good work and thanks for the support!
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@wayne: obviously you have misunderstood the intention of this thread. the guy who started the poll is actually porting stuff to amiga 68k. just to point to ffmpeg, lately. why he ask such a question is not to demand anything of anybody, but to check the general demand and interest i believe.
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@amigamance: actually i do not see much point at wos ports anymore, except the amount of work to adapt an actual 68k port is next to nothing. for classics with ppc boards we have a choice of os4 and mos. none else can profit from that, so lets burry wos and powerup and let it rip. this is my opinion as an a4k/csppc owner.
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@wayne: obviously you have misunderstood the intention of this thread. the guy who started the poll is actually porting stuff to amiga 68k. just to point to ffmpeg, lately. why he ask such a question is not to demand anything of anybody, but to check the general demand and interest i believe.
Ah, language barrier. Sorry, my bad.
Wayne
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I like the cool factor. I voted the top yes... Looks like the top yes got more votes. :-)
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There's no pancake option ... PAH! lol
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@wayne:yeah,were both polish.lol.not your fault,though,i understand what u meant.
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so lets burry wos and powerup and let it rip.
Let's not. :)
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What's a silly question?
But no really, I think people do like the "cool factor" of it all. Retro computing without having to spend an arm and a leg for obsolete hardware that has no warranty or predictability
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I voted "yes":
Consider that OS3.x can run, under emulation on fast x86 hardware at speeds far in excess of any real m68k used presently in any existing Amiga. If we consider UAE/OS3.x with RTG as a platform, it has ample CPU and 2D graphics performance to cope with more "modern" apps. It's also probable that there are more instances of this platform than there are physical Amigas running OS3.x, and as they slowly suffer the attrition effects of old age, that ration will probably increase.
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Yes, absolutely yes :D
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I voted no.
Simple reason - we need LOTS OF apps for AmigaOS4, even MOS.
3.1 is discontinued. Neither above is.
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I wonder how many people realize that some of the Amiga 3.x software isn't even Y2K compliant? (sorry - had to dive out due a computer melt down)
This point makes apps like spreadsheets, data bases, etc. virtually useless for little things like tracking budgets....
Try typing 2009 into Softwood's Final Calc for just one example.
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I voted no.
Simple reason - we need LOTS OF apps for AmigaOS4, even MOS.
3.1 is discontinued. Neither above is.
I'm not sure which system you use, but for example some MorphOS's sites are linking to my ports (and I have no problem with that), so as I understand, at least some of my ports must work there correctly (?).
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A solid mplayer port would be nice. There is a 1.0 alpha but it's a bit rough around the edges. I bet Fab would even assist you (he did the morphos port).
updates to AFA_OS bring great new features..maybe you could help Bernd.
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wasn't Y2K a non-event? :)
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wasn't Y2K a non-event? :)
I think the 2038 bug is far more significant.
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at AmigaMance: "Let's not."
very well. this will be the programmers choicein the end. im fine with both.
at DiskDoctor:
"Simple reason - we need LOTS OF apps for AmigaOS4, even MOS.
3.1 is discontinued. Neither above is. "
it seems you are for os4. fine. but except for original os nothin is discontinued. except both hardware platforms the oses depend on.
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Please someone close this "pool".
My intention was to get an input from Classic users. This "pool" was the easiest way to get it, because not everyone likes to add replies to the topic.
It seems that some of the people just don't like to see any progress under m68k platform and that's the reasone of all kind strange attacks.
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Please someone close this "pool".
My intention was to get an input from Classic users. This "pool" was the easiest way to get it, because not everyone likes to add replies to the topic.
It seems that some of the people just don't like to see any progress under m68k platform and that's the reasone of all kind strange attacks.
Then I'd like to dive in to this "pool" ;)
I have several platforms at home, one of them being a spruced up
desktop A1200.
I've always been amazed at how some software is able to run on this old hardware.
But some projects might have been a bit overambitious...
8-bit emulators are fun, and there's been programs made that previously had been
deamed impossible to make on a bog-standard A1200.
Following the link from the first post, I see that many program are pre V1,
from experience I know many apps are unstable.
Some use *ixlibs that only recently has gotten better and more stable.
In short, I voted YES (the top one that is).
Maybe a social-group could be started rather than a thread??
Because some ppl
just simply can't resist to spread their opinions on how "advanced" they
are, and how "dead" OS3 is.
D.S: Anything Amiga would benefit from this, as porting would be easy for those who know how.
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Please someone close this "pool".
My intention was to get an input from Classic users. ...
It seems that some of the people just don't like to see any progress under m68k platform and that's the reasone of all kind strange attacks.
How about you come over to the Natami site http://www.natami.net and repeat your question there ?
If your intention is to create/port software to 68K AMIGA then you will find many friends there.
The Natami team is working on porting stuff to 68K themselves - maybe there is also the chance to work together on some things.
Cheers
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Maybe a social-group could be started rather than a thread??
Because some ppl
just simply can't resist to spread their opinions on how "advanced" they
are, and how "dead" OS3 is.
Sadly, i am forced to agree with this... I wish that the circumstances were different in Amiga.org, but obviously they are not. I've seen such things happening too many times. :-/
However, i do believe that ami_stuff over-reacted a little. Afteral, he got more positive responses than negative.
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@AmigaMance :
Now your "Forgive me if the above post is Amiga related." makes more sense to me! :lol:
You're truly a "Defender of the Faith"...
@wawrzon & ami stuff:
A short, simple, and probably wrongly spelled "Dzjenkuje bardzo!"
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I didn't voted because to me a poll with just an option is useless...
My intention was to get an input from Classic users. This "pool" was the easiest way to get it, because not everyone likes to add replies to the topic.
I wonder why you need to be "publicly rewarded", really isn't enough with the downloads count !?
If you enjoy porting stuff, then continue doing it!, else...
it's as simple as that.
It seems that some of the people just don't like to see any progress under m68k platform
And why do you bother? it's just some people :)
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at v74.
there is nothing to thank me for. i have done nothing except for some simple tests for ami_stuff, all thanks should go to him and others like bernd_r or arti.
btw. at ami_stuff: i too think you shouldnt overreact.there is nothing wrong about this thread/people voicing personal opinions. is it?
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I wonder why you need to be "publicly rewarded", really isn't enough with the downloads count !?
Of course not. It's the same like when you store your ported software on your own HDD.
No feedback, bugs reports, anything = no fun. ;)
at ami_stuff: i too think you shouldnt overreact.there is nothing wrong about this thread/people voicing personal opinions. is it?
Yes, but when someone don't want to use the software, why he have a need to "express himself" in a negative way?
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@ ami_stuff && @wawrzon
Maybe "discontinued" word posted here is kindda abuse...
What I mean is there's NEW hardware for OS4, there's MOS, both under development.
If we talk "ports" or "emulation", why no AmiCygnix option in a poll??
There are three ways for new Amiga apps. Native (AOS4/MOS/AROS), "ports" (i.e. running 3.x in 4.x, whatsoever) or Linux ports (AmiCygnix). It is easy to port stuff, but if the poll question was about "a need for new apps", I can firmly say: we need new apps for new systems! Why not porting backwards to 3.x then?? Why thinking of some limited API when you 've got the API (AOS4/MOS/AROS)??
So I say: first we need new great apps WORKING on new Amigas, then ported backwards. Hey, that's an option, isn't it?
And BTW now I use AmigaSYS/AmiKIT so UAE limited to 3.x research :sad: I am in a serious debt, getting some funds, I can forget about new machines BUT wait until something shows up on my PPCMini :lol:
I plan to write a spreadsheet (native first!!), thought of Hollywood but since I'm forced to parse MS OLE files, I'll try what I eventually get on Mini and use e.g. AmiDevCPP or sth. My spreadsheet on mac was halted by infamous Apple Numbers, now it is Amiga's turn for its spreadsheet. And I mean it! :lol:
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Of course not. It's the same like when you store your ported software on your own HDD.
:confused:
No feedback, bugs reports, anything = no fun. ;)
Ok, but you are asking to maintain uptodate stuff, aren't you?
The downloads count should give you that answer, imo.
If you port something which get 10 downloads, and some other software which get 2000 downloads, i think it's obvious on which of them you should spent more time maintaining it up-to-date. :)
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IMHO, there's still "need" for AmigaOS software, as some people use an Amiga/Amiga clone (be it an AmigaOne, a Pegasos or perhaps even a Sam or a 68k one, I don't know for AROS) as their primary computer. For some of them native PPC/x86 sw is preferred, but since OS4 and Mos have built-in 68k emulation, 68k software would be also welcome: e.g. AmiGift or HDRec.
What I'd need lately is a video editing software, a Flash plugin (both are under development anyway), a version of Lha which correctly handles archives with thousands of files (both OS4 and 68k versions have problems, at least under OS4, while LZX seems to work fine), and drivers and a simple application for USB webcams.
Varthall
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If you port something which get 10 downloads, and some other software which get 2000 downloads, i think it's obvious on which of them you should spent more time maintaining it up-to-date. :)
What if a single person downloads a program for 2000 times since he everytime accidentally deleted it? ;-)
Varthall
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What if a single person downloads a program for 2000 times since he everytime accidentally deleted it? ;-)
Varthall
hehe, well... any decent counter shouldn't increase further the count from a single person ;-)
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Public reward or acclaim is most certainly a fine thing!And it costs nothing.
Anyone going to the effort of porting or writing freeware or software deserves our applause at the very least.
Anyone who expects others to devote much time and programming effort and skill solely for the barely vicarious thrill of seeing a download counter increment knows little of human nature.
I "vote" for public applause of all shareware/freeware/port writers and bet at least token gifts of money or items might serve as further encouragement;if someone writes a port of a modern browser limited only by the hardware in our old Amigas then I'd happily send him or her $10(and so should the other hypothetical 1999 downloaders).
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I love rhetorical questions :-)
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Public reward or acclaim is most certainly a fine thing!And it costs nothing.
indeed, if you are with lacks of ego ;)
Anyone going to the effort of porting or writing freeware or software deserves our applause at the very least.
Thanks :D
Anyone who expects others to devote much time and programming effort and skill solely for the barely vicarious thrill of seeing a download counter increment knows little of human nature.
Well... i always was a little bit anti-social.. :p
Seriously, re-check the intention explained for this poll, it was not intended to get a dozen posts from users, just numeric results, something which is already obtained checking the downloads counter.
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I love rhetorical questions :-)
:laughing:
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indeed, if you are with lacks of ego ;)
http://amiga.sourceforge.net/?showpackage=unrar
...and for what is that button on the right side? Isn't download counter enough? :lol:
"Help us help you!" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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http://amiga.sourceforge.net/?showpackage=unrar
...and for what is that button on the right side? Isn't download counter enough? :lol:
:confused::confused::confused:
You're confusing things, my friend. i see no relation at all between what we was discussing, and what you are saying now.
Well, unless you're indirectly requesting money to continue updating your ports.
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:confused::confused::confused:
You're confusing things, my friend. i see no relation at all between what we was discussing, and what you are saying now.
As I understand you want to tell me that I should be happy because I see a increasing download counter and I shouldn't ask users if they would like to see more software like I already ported (this is some kind of reward when they answer yes), but at the same time you ask users INDIRECTLY for reward by placing PayPal button on your web page (Help us help you!). This is a bit stange. Why is there a PayPal button when you don't feel any need for reward? Download counter should be enough and you should be happy because of incrasing download counter, isn't it? There is no need for ANY other reward, right?
Well, unless you're indirectly requesting money to continue updating your ports.
Not at all.
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this is a little confusing now... but as far as i see its a paypal button for supporting amiga.sf not ami_stuff. please correct me if im wrong but as far as i see this is not a personal site of any private person but just a site where open source software for amiga is being published. thus i dont take it as if any request for financial support was made.
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this is a little confusing now... but as far as i see its a paypal button for supporting amiga.sf not ami_stuff. please correct me if im wrong but as far as i see this is not a personal site of any private person but just a site where open source software for amiga is being published. thus i dont take it as if any request for financial support was made.
No, donations are for Diego.
You may not take it as a request, but for sure when someone donate, it is a reward for Diego.
When Diego can ask for rewards by money, I can ask in any other way I like.
That's all what I want to write about this subject.
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@ami_stuff
again, you're confusing things.
We said nothing about Donations, i hope you get them as well by the work and time spent porting. but we are not talking about this.
You're requesting people to vote in a "Yes" or "Yes" poll to know if you should update your ports. Something which obviously you already know because ppl is already downloading your ports and therefore there is interest.
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@ami_stuff
You're requesting people to vote in a "Yes" or "Yes" poll to know if you should update your ports. Something which obviously you already know because ppl is already downloading your ports and therefore there is interest.
No I don't know that, because people may only download the software for test and delete it after that. Download counter tells nothing.
EOT?
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wasn't Y2K a non-event? :)
LOL! I bet those who wrote books about it at the time, don't have them listed on their current resume.
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When Diego can ask for rewards by money, I can ask in any other way I like.
What really is rewarding to me is the fact you take me as example on how to do things...directly or indirectly :D
Note thats just a button on a private website, and that button isn't seen on the main page. isn't like if i place the button altogether with release news. i never asked users on a public forum what i should do, i always did what i did because i enjoy doing it, if later ppl show me its support fine (additional motivation), else no problem because it's just a hobby i enjoy doing.
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@ami_stuff, *
OK, that does it.
It's the second time in a month I see some "committed" Amiga coder is moaning that "numbers are counting, money isn't".
Before I say what I say I'll make short statement. I love all Amiga stuff, try to donate everything I touch, consider this an honour. And a duty. But I also respect others' opinions (like freeware = freeware etc.)
My views about freeware in general... It's a tough issue, especially when I'm writing this on Kubuntu... To cut story short - it is the market, the users who decide what's cool and what ain't. So when commercial app continues lifecycle, it means it's damn good, despite free competition existing (i.e. OOffice for Windows etc.)
But coding stuff and saying "I wish not only counters rolled" is a rare hypocrisy. I mean as a statement of a person, I'm not connecting this into Amiga world. Also, "donate or else..." threats make me say the conclusion:
Look: try to decide if you want to be freeware or not! If not, make 99c price. If not, abandon your work or go for some software house where people pay for coding. But please, CHOOSE YOUR DAMN BUSINESS MODEL, WHETHER BUSINESS OR NOT FOR THE SAKE!!!
I write this because to my knowledge, most "flags of freedom" software projects end up in such an embarrassing manner. Or just that kids graduate and start their work, adult life etc.
Sorry for my temper but all I want is to point out that:
- freeware is a hoax
- any amiga fan should donate hard if possible -- BUT ONLY AS LONG AS HE/SHE LOVES THE APP, not just "fine".
- coders should have annual plans with threshold; "10$ anually = I won't continue", but NO threatening, man!
- personally I think ALL Amiga apps should be proprietary
Fine.
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What really is rewarding to me is the fact you take me as example on how to do things...directly or indirectly :D
Note thats just a button on a private website, and that button isn't seen on the main page. isn't like if i place the button altogether with release news. i never asked users on a public forum what i should do, i always did what i did because i enjoy doing it, if later ppl show me its support fine (additional motivation), else no problem because it's just a hobby i enjoy doing.
That's really cool and nothing bad about that, but you have a hope that someone will donate, so this way you will get an additional reward, otherwise you would not place PayPal button on your page, this is also asking publicly in some way (every user see PayPal button). Different people needs different rewards. You can't criticise me that I ask for any reward when you do the same, but in the other way. Maybe this "pool" was not the best idea...
.. and now peace, love etc. :)
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No I don't know that, because people may only download the software for test and delete it after that. Download counter tells nothing.EOT?
oh, well... i understand you now.
You didn't updated any of your ports yet???
it's a little time the one you have involved in porting i think, start updating the most downloaded packages, and then check downloads after a period of time. if downloads get increased regarding the previous build you know what to do, else... it's still simple as that ;)
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@ami_stuff, *
OK, that does it.
Oh-oh! :shocked:
It's the second time in a month I see some "committed" Amiga coder
Why the quotes? Do you have reasons to believe otherwise and to be sarcastic towards him?
is moaning that "numbers are counting, money isn't".
And what's up with you? At least he is a porter, he contributes to the community. What are you?
Before I say what I say I'll make short statement. I love all Amiga stuff, try to donate everything I touch, consider this an honour. And a duty.
This honors you indeed. No sarcasm included.
But I also respect others' opinions (like freeware = freeware etc.)
Did he said something different? What other opinions?
The rest of your post is crap talking and it doesn't deserve to be quoted.
@Diego
I respect you as much as i respect ami_stuff, since you both contribute to the community with your ports and all. But, you have to see started this fight. You REALLY shouldn't have said that:
Public reward or acclaim is most certainly a fine thing!And it costs nothing.
indeed, if you are with lacks of ego
As a porter/coder yourself you should be able to understand his personality and his sensitivities better than me. And yet, you don't. Perhaps you just don't try enough, imho. I wish you both take a deep breath and stop this madness.
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Pancakes.
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Why the quotes? Do you have reasons to believe otherwise and to be sarcastic towards him?
This kind of discussion as seen above or a few weeks earlier tell me committed people shouldn't moan. They just simply assumed someone would donate every two-three months and they turned out to be WRONG. So DON'T blame the users, blame yourself!!
And what's up with you? At least he is a porter, he contributes to the community. What are you?
I am nobody as you must know already.
This honors you indeed. No sarcasm included.
Good point. I didn't see sarcasm in it, too.
Did he said something different? What other opinions?
The rest of your post is crap talking and it doesn't deserve to be quoted.
OK. I just passed to PG Law studies so that my speech is gonna be even more crappy. MOOORE!
@Diego
I respect you as much as i respect ami_stuff, since you both contribute to the community with your ports and all. But, you have to see started this fight. You REALLY shouldn't have said that:
Public reward or acclaim is most certainly a fine thing!And it costs nothing.
indeed, if you are with lacks of ego
100% agree. As I said in the very beginning, it's the SECOND time in a month on this VERY forum.
As a porter/coder yourself you should be able to understand his personality and his sensitivities better than me. And yet, you don't. Perhaps you just don't try enough, imho. I wish you both take a deep breath and stop this madness.
Amen! No more. Or as I said - stop moaning or do it PM'ly / email / whatever. If your assumptions fail, rethink and choose your distribution model. I like coding too but it has to be in a fancy style, face it or you should grow up. End of story three of you. Please.
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Amen! No more. Or as I said - stop moaning or do it PM'ly / email / whatever.
We already stopped it (with understanding from each other, i think) are both you who started it again now :p
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What I'd need lately is ... a version of Lha which correctly handles archives with thousands of files (both OS4 and 68k versions have problems, at least under OS4, while LZX seems to work fine),
Varthall
Say what? I have tested lha vs lzx vs zip a zillion times.
I was forced to do those tests because my game archive on Aminet has 24 gazillion files in it and lzx kept damaging files.
lha works perfectly on giant archives.
If you are having an lha problem then you are probably not using lha but some GUI thingamajig that damages the archive.
What version of lha doesn't work on OS4?
Did u use it from CLI or some GUI thing?
(The OS4 GUI for lha extraction is already known to be broken. It is an OS4 problem not really an lha problem.)
The GUI lha things in AmikitOS, ClassicWB etc. are all broken also.
Possibly because they all use xadmaster.library or somesuch.
All versions of lzx are bugged. There is no way around it. If you use lzx and it "works" you just got lucky. Eventually your luck will run out. Friendly warning.
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@dcr8520:ok, so amiga.sf is your site. should have to know.
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Say what? I have tested lha vs lzx vs zip a zillion times.
I was forced to do those tests because my game archive on Aminet has 24 gazillion files in it and lzx kept damaging files.
lha works perfectly on giant archives.
If you are having an lha problem then you are probably not using lha but some GUI thingamajig that damages the archive.
What version of lha doesn't work on OS4?
Did u use it from CLI or some GUI thing?
I have first tried it under DOpus 4, then directly tried under CLI. Both the OS4 and latest 68k versions halt at launch, using 100% of the CPU (this on an 1GHz machine), I believe they remain stuck while scanning the directory tree. I remember it remained in such a state for 10 minutes before I reset the machine, and I was trying to archive the whole updated SDK archive. I'll eventually check again, see if it eventually unstuck after a while and how many files and dirs I'm trying to archive.
All versions of lzx are bugged. There is no way around it. If you use lzx and it "works" you just got lucky. Eventually your luck will run out. Friendly warning.
I have tried it lately using the public registered version of LZX and it seemed to work well, at least for smaller archives. What problems have you encountered?
Varthall
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lha works perfectly on giant archives.
Try to create an arichive from a partition full of 2.7Gb...
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Try to create an arichive from a partition full of 2.7Gb...
I have done that lots of times.
If you don't want it to take forever then you must do the following things:
1. Assign T: to somehwere on the hard drive. I must do this step because I only have 32 MB ram on my A1200 060. Assigning it to the HD reduces memory fragementation also.
2. If you are using OS3.x then make sure you are running TLSFmem. It makes lha go 20x or more faster on giant archives.
I believe they remain stuck while scanning the directory tree. I remember it remained in such a state for 10 minutes before I reset the machine, and I was trying to archive the whole updated SDK archive.
It wasn't stuck. It just takes a long time to build up the file list into T:.
I agree that it takes to long.
I also agree that the scanning procedure does wayyyyyyy to many mallocs and frees so is very slow.
But in the end it works.
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I have tried it lately using the public registered version of LZX and it seemed to work well, at least for smaller archives. What problems have you encountered?
Varthall
1. There is no such thing as "the" public registered lzx that works.
1a. "The" original lzx was totally broken, not y2k compliant. Nobody uses it because the author flatly refuses to fix it.
1b. "The" orignal lzx was hacked by 2 different guys to fix the y2k and possibly other bugs. So there are 2 different versions in use. You never know what version someone will be using when they extract your archive. Incompatible versions cause wacked out dates and file attributes.
2. No matther what lzx you use they all have a definite corruption bug which is usually triggered when you have a dir with several files which are very similar to each other. Multiple almost identical files will sometimes be corrupted. Many years ago when I did the tests it corrupted my game archive EVERY time, always in the gfx dir.
3. Other miscellaneous bugs.
This is why I was forced to stop using lzx many years ago. :(
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I voted yes.
AmigaOS 3.x / Winuae is my setup. Most of my Amigas died.
This is the only way to enjoy Amiga, until have enough cash for a SAM.
What happens if the OS4 project fails ? AROS ?
As a previous poster had said, new OS3.x hardware is on its way.
Alot of New users are attracted to Amikit & old games, but dont know how to use the OS, or what the apps do.
Where is an online Amiga User guide, Apps guide etc.
We need to set a new standard using WinUAE/RTG.
An example port would be, Python 2.6.2.
why ?
So we can have a port of Pygame (it works best with Python 2.6.2).
Pygame is a set of python modules dedicated to making games, very quickly.
http://www.pygame.org
There are about 500 games available for Pygame, the API is very easy to use, it reminds me of Amos when games were made in droves, because it was so easy to setup and program.
We also need porting guides, a step by step guide, explaining each step.
We need consistency with applications eg:
do i use a version of GCC on Aminet ? which one ?
do i sift through all LHAs of every programs source to figure out how they work.
do i search the net incase a developer has posted a new version.
do I search for a different C compiler.
Developers still release userguides in guide format, why hasnt it been updated to support styles, embedded images,vector images - if they like the Amiga guide format.
Do developers prefere HTML ?
Do users like all the prefs files in AmigaOS, or do they prefere one app to handle them all.
We should be asking these things so ppl know what to program for.
Rather than porting the hard way, why not write software to wrap from one API to Amiga API.
Most of Spotups guide can be setup in a program to detect/scan files make changes without user interviening. The problem is ppl with the knowledge are too busy porting.
PPl with limited programming skills waiting/learning/redoing what everyone else is doing.
When was the last time Amiga users had competitions - to make coding fun ?
Maybe a website should be setup for developers to ask for assistance, eg write manuals etc. Anyone can access give assistance when they can.
Or even ppl write tutorials, if a developer is willing to be available to help. Maybe signatures as 'Amiga graphics/C/ Mon-Fri 10.00-13.00 GMT FREE/$10 helper'.
Even a guide about UNIX threads and mapping them to Amiga would be a start (for a small prog), and would be great help. Or start making applications from scratch.
Developers are doing a great job, with great apps. Help us to help you.
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As Wayne already said, there is more of a "desire" than "need" for up-to-date SW for Amiga.
The truth is somewhere in between.
We DO need a modern browser with flash etc,
We DONT need another stupidly huge MSN-like app (I still wonder how can anybody make this simple app so memory/cpu/hd consuming...).
We need OpenOffice, VirtualDub, many video/audio codecs (for compression/decompression, not for real time on 020...), we urgently need a new browser capable of flash, youtube etc. and definately we need a lightweight yet beautifull mp3 player. My God, AmiAMP makes me wanna bite the screen every time it runs on my 030. It is just too "HEAVY" for slower machines. It is heavy even on my 060!
In general, we have almost everything we need. Some of them are still usefull today, some not that much.
I, personally, would like to see a new Scala version...
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I, personally, would like to see a new Scala version...
This will be nice, Scala was one of the programs (or the program) i most times used back on the old days.
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If you want to port something, port this and maintain the port, so I have something to use, to test the artwork I make for the game. I'm tired of sending the images to the coder and waiting for him to report bugs.
http://www.identicalsoftware.com/btbuilder/