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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: sim085 on June 15, 2009, 11:25:07 AM
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... this looks like a never ending story ...
Anyway, I managed to partition the drive and I get two disks on desktop labeled "UDH0:NDOS" and "UDH1:NDOS". I selected each one of them and selected format option from toolbar and named them "System" and "Work" respectively. So far so good.
Then I start the installation. However here (not always at the same time) I get an error as follows; "System has checksum error on disk block 998683". If I do retry nothing happens if I do cancel then installation stops.
The fact is that ones I managed to install up to the disk four of workbench and another time only till disk one of workbench. In other words this seem to happen randomly.
Is this related to what MozzerFan is saying here:
http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41762&p=456699
That is that the SanDisk Ultra II 2GB CF card (which I am using) suffers from this type of problem?
or else I am doing something wrong?
Regards,
Sim085
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Does sound like a problem with either that particular card or the model in particaulr.
Can you try a different one ?
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Does sound like a problem with either that particular card or the model in particaulr.
Can you try a different one ?
I will try to get a new one and try on that. I think MozzerFan had told me that Toshiba ones work fine on the A500+ but for now maybe I try to get a 1GB CF card.
I hope MozzerFan can confirm that these are the same errors that he was getting when trying this out.
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Incorrect MaxTransfer rate can, IIRC, cause checksum errors. Search this site for MaxTransfer for posts relating to this, most of which contain posts suggesting the correct rate.
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most of which contain posts suggesting the correct rate.
Thank you for the suggestion. Doing so I found out how to change the MaxTransfer and Mask values from the HDToolBox.
However several posters give several values for these two fields. Does anyone know what these values should be?
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Thank you for the suggestion. Doing so I found out how to change the MaxTransfer and Mask values from the HDToolBox.
However several posters give several values for these two fields. Does anyone know what these values should be?
TBH I don't really understand it well enough to advise. As a rule of thumb, any values recommended by Tomas should be safe ;) You could always experiment with a few different values to find which one works.
To be sure it's working, I would change the value and then format the partition to get rid of any residual filesystem corruption, then re-try the installation.
Sorry I can't be more specific, but I don't want to guess at the values for MaxTransfer.
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any values recommended by Tomas should be safe ;)
Thanks for the advice, I already found some of his suggestions :)
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@sim085
Yep, I got these errors when installing WB2.04. I've tried various maxtransfer settings.
I also changed the gvp rom to 4.13 ( instead of 4.5) and I tried another PSU.
To no avail.
Then I swapped the Sandisk Ultra II 2 GB for an old Toshiba 128 MB CF card.
It worked like a charm.
Like I said in the other thread, you might want to try the old 1 GB Sandisk CF cards.
I use the same CF adapter in my a4000 and a1200 with sandisk ultra II cards with no problems, so I think the GVP scsi controller has problems with the newer highspeed CF cards.
Eventually I swapped the Toshiba card for a Transcend 2 GB SSD, and that one also works like a charm.
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@MozzerFan
From what you are saying it seems you had the problem when connecting the CF card to the GVP hard drive, or you also had the problems in WinUAE?
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In WinUAE it worked ok.
As soon as I connected it to the GVP hd8+ I got problems with the Utra II card.
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In WinUAE it worked ok.
As soon as I connected it to the GVP hd8+ I got problems with the Utra II card.
So there is shit still to come ...
I managed to install Workbench 3.1 through WinUAE by changing the MaxTransfer value to 0x1fe00, while leaving the Mask value as it is.
However I still have to connect everything to the GVP hard drive.
... to be continued ...
Anyways, just out of curiosity; what is the Mask value? I can understand the MaxTransfer but not the Mask.
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So there is shit still to come ...
I managed to install Workbench 3.1 through WinUAE by changing the MaxTransfer value to 0x1fe00, while leaving the Mask value as it is.
However I still have to connect everything to the GVP hard drive.
... to be continued ...
Anyways, just out of curiosity; what is the Mask value? I can understand the MaxTransfer but not the Mask.
Yeah, I use 0x1FE00 too.
According to my manual, the MASK value should be 0xFFFFFFFE for the gvp hd8+ (so it can use every type of memory for DMA).
I hope you have more luck than me when you install the card in your gvp hd.
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Yeah, I use 0x1FE00 too.
According to my manual, the MASK value should be 0xFFFFFFFE for the gvp hd8+ (so it can use every type of memory for DMA).
Thank you for that information :) By any chance, is it possible to change the MaxTransfer and Mask values after the drive is partitioned and Workbench installed?
I hope you have more luck than me when you install the card in your gvp hd.
I do not think i'll have but really thank you. I appreciate all the help you gave me :)
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Thank you for that information :) By any chance, is it possible to change the MaxTransfer and Mask values after the drive is partitioned and Workbench installed?
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Yes, you can change it after partitioning and installing WB.
Good luck.
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Does anyone know what these values should be?
IDE devices (which are ATA5 or lower) have a command set with an 8-bit "sector count" field.
SCSI devices (which are SCSI10) have a command set with a 16-bit "sector count" field.
A sector has been defined (until recently) as 512 bytes.
By setting the MAX TRANSFER to a value of "0x1FE00" (255 * 512) prevents the scsi.device for IDE interfaces from creating malformed IDE commands.
While IDE commands support 8-bit sector counts, not all devices like them. Windows (and other operating systems) tend to transfer data using 128 sector commands. By setting your max transfer to "0xFE00" (127 * 512) you pretty much guarantee "sector count" compatibility with any IDE device.
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One more thing Sim. When you install the card in your HD8+, test it with copying a disk to your CF card. For example your Workbench disk.
Like you said, the errors appear at random. So it's probably best to copy a large bunch of files to your CF card.
I changed my maxtransfer at least 20 times, and every time I copied my WB install disks I got (random) errors on the CF card.
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Yes, you can change it after partitioning and installing WB.
Good luck.
From where can I change the MaxTransfer and Mask values after workbench is installed?
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From where can I change the MaxTransfer and Mask values after workbench is installed?
Open your Workbench partition then the Tools drawer. Run HDToolBox and change the values from in there.
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Open your Workbench partition then the Tools drawer. Run HDToolBox and change the values from in there.
When I change these values it does not allow me to "Save Changes to Drive" and when I enter again to change these two values I get the original 0xfffffe and 0xffffff again. I am afraid these are not being saved.
I have set the hardrive to allow both read/write operations.
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Something else,
At the moment when I connect the CF card to the GVP HD8+ I first get a black screen for a long time and then the insert disk screen. Could this be related with the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME or the MASK value of the partitions?
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When I change these values it does not allow me to "Save Changes to Drive" and when I enter again to change these two values I get the original 0xfffffe and 0xffffff again. I am afraid these are not being saved.
I have set the hardrive to allow both read/write operations.
When you change something in the maxtransfer and mask fields, you have to press ENTER for the changes to be accepted.
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Something else,
At the moment when I connect the CF card to the GVP HD8+ I first get a black screen for a long time and then the insert disk screen. Could this be related with the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME or the MASK value of the partitions?
When you use HDtoolbox on your real amiga, the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME tooltype should be 'gvpscsi.device'.
Try to boot from your 3.1 install floppy, and start hdtoolbox (with the correct scsi_device_name).
Does it recognize the CF card then?
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no problems with sandisk CF IV did not change any settings.
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Does it recognize the CF card then?
I formatted the CF card again and I plugged it in the GVP. I then Insert workbench install disk and change the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME to 'gvpscsi.device'.
However when I open HDToolBox I have all the buttons disabled again. I guess this means that the GVP is not recognising the CF card (or that there is anything connected to it).
Does the MASK value effect this? (However there is not way to change the MASK value of a formatted CF card if HDToolBox does not even want to see it connected right!?)
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I formatted the CF card again and I plugged it in the GVP. I then Insert workbench install disk and change the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME to 'gvpscsi.device'.
However when I open HDToolBox I have all the buttons disabled again. I guess this means that the GVP is not recognising the CF card (or that there is anything connected to it).
Does the MASK value effect this? (However there is not way to change the MASK value of a formatted CF card if HDToolBox does not even want to see it connected right!?)
Doublecheck if you connected things the right way. Maybe you forgot to connect the powercables to your SCSI-IDE adapter (I know it's a long shot, but you never know).
Does your HD8+ have it's own PSU, or did you perform the PSU mod, so it is powered by the same PSU that powers the A500? If so, maybe the PSU of the A500 doesn't provide enough juice to power both the A500 and the GVP.
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Doublecheck if you connected things the right way. Maybe you forgot to connect the powercables to your SCSI-IDE adapter (I know it's a long shot, but you never know).
Everything should be connected right. The IDE -> CF adapter card has a right light turning on. This would not turn on unless properly connected with the SCSI -> IDE card.
Does your HD8+ have it's own PSU, or did you perform the PSU mod, so it is powered by the same PSU that powers the A500? If so, maybe the PSU of the A500 doesn't provide enough juice to power both the A500 and the GVP.
No the GVP has its own power supply. When I try to autoboot I can see the GVP trying to access the drive without any luck.
I was wondering if maybe it is a Jumper setting on the SCSI -> IDE card.
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Everything should be connected right. The IDE -> CF adapter card has a right light turning on. This would not turn on unless properly connected with the SCSI -> IDE card.
No the GVP has its own power supply. When I try to autoboot I can see the GVP trying to access the drive without any luck.
I was wondering if maybe it is a Jumper setting on the SCSI -> IDE card.
Do you have a manual of the SCSI-IDE adapter?
If you have a spare IDE harddisk, you can try to connect it to the SCSI-IDE, and see if that works.
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Do you have a manual of the SCSI-IDE adapter?
No it did not arrive with a manual. I am trying to contact the seller to see if he has any knowledge about how the Jumper settings should be set!
If you have a spare IDE harddisk, you can try to connect it to the SCSI-IDE, and see if that works.
Yes I was going to try and test each part of hardware by it's own. Like that I'll know if each peace of hardware works fine or not.
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What CF-IDE and SCSI-IDE adapter are you using?
Do you have some links to the sites where you bought them?
Edit: Never mind. I found an old post of yours.
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I have found a PDF with the jumper settings of your SCS-IDE.
You can find it here:
http://www.redsretro.com/manuals/IDSC21_jumpers.pdf (http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=19128&d=1228279010)
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Edit: Never mind. I found an old post of yours.
Sorry I did not send before ... we had power cut.
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Sorry I did not send before ... we had power cut.
No problem.
Did you see my previous post with the jumper settings of your SCSI-IDE?
Looks like you have to jumper switches 4-5-6 to OFF-ON-OFF
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I have found a PDF with the jumper settings of your SCS-IDE.
You can find it here:
http://www.redsretro.com/manuals/IDSC21_jumpers.pdf (http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=19128&d=1228279010)
Yes that is the card I bought, thank you for finding that. I read the document but not really understanding much (sorry). Do I need to follow the instructions for Flash ROM (2nd page), and does that mean that I need only one jumper settings (because in the first page is says that HD has 5 jumper settings and if I remember correctly on the card card I have 5 pins).
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No problem.
Did you see my previous post with the jumper settings of your SCSI-IDE?
Looks like you have to jumper switches 4-5-6 to OFF-ON-OFF
When i go home I'll give a proper look to the card and if need it I'll take photos :)
Thank you for your help :)
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Looks like you have to jumper switches 4-5-6 to OFF-ON-OFF
Hi again,
sorry for the delay but we had another power-cut here (just my luck). Anyways, I am at home now and I had a look at the card. I had another look at the manual but I still cannot understand it.
There are in all 22 pins labeled from 1 to 11. Now should I set the jumber as follows:
11__10__09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
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0___0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0
Where in the above diagram two vertically aligned '1' represet a peace of plastic placed on the pins? or I understood everything baddly?
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Hi again,
sorry for the delay but we had another power-cut here (just my luck). Anyways, I am at home now and I had a look at the card. I had another look at the manual but I still cannot understand it.
There are in all 22 pins labeled from 1 to 11. Now should I set the jumber as follows:
11__10__09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
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0___0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0
Where in the above diagram two vertically aligned '1' represet a peace of plastic placed on the pins? or I understood everything baddly?
Well, it's a bit weird, because according to the manual there should be ten jumpers.
There probably is an extra jumper reserved for future use if needed.
What I would try is this:
11__10__09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
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0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0___0
if that doesn't work i would try
11__10__09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
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0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0
It's a bit difficult, because it looks like JP0 in the manual is not used, so I don't know if it's there or not.
According to the manual jp4-5-6 should be OFF-ON-OFF and JP7 should be ON (assuming that your CF-IDE is DMA capable).
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Hi,
Sorry for the long delay... yesterday was an early night because of the power cuts. However this morning I went strait checking the SCSI -> IDE card after I read your post.
There are nine pins (not 10 and neither 11, only 9). Since pin zero is never used I assume that I have pins from 1 to 9 (0 excluded). The reason I thought I had 11 pins was that on the card I have '1' printed at one side of the pin set and '11' at the end of the same pin set (sorry for any confusion made).
After a few jumper changes, I can confirm the following, if I for example put an incorrect jumper the light on the IDE -> CF card does not switch on, while it does switch on when I put the plastic (1) on pin 5 and 7. However still no workbench comes up.
Additionally, If I connect a normal drive then can I let the jumper settings as they are, that is I set pin 5 and 7 on? I am asking this because I am considering of doing what you suggested, that is to connect a normal IDE dirve to the SCSI -> IDE connector so that I can see if the problem is with the SCSI -> IDE card or else with the IDE -> CF card.
This is a diagram of how I have things set up at the moment:
09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
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0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0
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There are nine pins (not 10 and neither 11, only 9). Since pin zero is never used I assume that I have pins from 1 to 9 (0 excluded).
You are correct.
I am becoming more familiar to what the manual is saying. What I can not understand is this. When you say "OFF" I understand 0, this means I do not have to connect any peace of plastic right? In that case wht is the difference between '0' and '-' in that manual?
If it says 0, you don't have to connect the piece of plastic (it's called a jumper).
There is '-' written in the manual when that jumper (or group of jumpers) is NOT being discussed. For example, the DMA setting is jumper 7, which is either 0 or 1 (OFF or ON). The rest of the jumpers has a '-'.
After a few jumper changes, I can confirm the following, if I for example put an incorrect jumper the light on the IDE -> CF card does not switch on, while it does switch on when I put the plastic (1) on pin 5 and 7. However still nothing comes up.
You should only have a jumper on 5 and 7.
Do you have the CF-IDE adapter jumpered as master?
Maybe you should test it with a harddisk to see if that works.
If it does, maybe the CF card is the culprit.
Additionally, If I connect a normal drive then can I let the jumper settings as they are, that is I set pin 5 and 7 on?
Yes you can leave it as it is.
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You are correct.
Do you have the CF-IDE adapter jumpered as master?
Yes
Maybe you should test it with a harddisk to see if that works.
That is my next move :) Does the size for the hard drive matter? What I am planning to di is connect the hard drive to SCSI -> IDE card, then load Workbench Install disk and change the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME to 'gvpscsi.device' and then turn on HDToolBox.
That should hypothetically work right?
If it does, maybe the CF card is the culprit.
I really hope so. I can not wait to get rid of it at this point!
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Yes
What I am planning to di is connect the hard drive to SCSI -> IDE card, then load Workbench Install disk and change the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME to 'gvpscsi.device' and then turn on HDToolBox.
That should hypothetically work right?
Yes it should work.
I really hope so. I can not wait to get rid of it at this point!
You could try to remove jumper7. Maybe your CF-IDE doesn't support DMA.
If the CF-card is the problem, maybe you need the Sandisk utility to change the Card from removeable to fixed.
But first I suggest trying it with a harddisk.
If you really can't make the Ultra II work, I can sent you my Toshiba 128MB for the cost of shipping.
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You could try to remove jumper7. Maybe your CF-IDE doesn't support DMA.
I think I did try that this morning, however I read the paper that came with the CF->IDE card and it says it is supports DMA. However there is nothing wrong to try it again :)
If the CF-card is the problem, maybe you need the Sandisk utility to change the Card from removeable to fixed.
But first I suggest trying it with a harddisk.
I will try the hard disk as soon as I go home and if that works out then I'll try the utility.
If you really can't make the Ultra II work, I can sent you my Toshiba 128MB for the cost of shipping.
Thank you very much for the offer. Will let you know. I really appreciate all the help you have given me :) I would be totally lost without your help!
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Maybe your CF-IDE doesn't support DMA.
I read the paper that came with the CF->IDE card and it says it is supports DMA.
CF cards are native IDE devices so most (all?) IDE->CF adapters are passive. They are literally just wires to change from one shaped connector to another.
Because they are passive they cannot interfere with functions such as DMA.
It is the CF card itself which supports DMA or doesn't.
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They are indeed just wires but still you have DMA capable adapters and you have NON DMA adapters.
AFAIK DMA card’s need 5v on a pin to put it into DMA mode, so Adapters that support DMA have a floppy type connector on them.
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They are indeed just wires but still you have DMA capable adapters and you have NON DMA adapters.
AFAIK DMA card’s need 5v on a pin to put it into DMA mode, so Adapters that support DMA have a floppy type connector on them.
err 5v is needed to power-up the unit as some adaptors do not supply 5v via the main connector. you will find the floppy type power point on 40 pin adaptor.
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Looks like a lot of trouble shooting has occurred already, but I can confirm that a 2 GB SanDisk Ultra (SDCFG-002G-A110 works on an Amiga 3000 with a SCSI-IDE convertor.
The SCSI IDE convertor was just a generic bought off of ebay, and the IDE CF bracket was likewise. On the model's I have, the IDE CF bracket has a floppy power connector and the SCSI-IDE adapter has a standard Molex on it. Both have to be plugged in for it to work.
The standard scsi.device has no problems seeing it, or detecting the correct settings for the CF card.
I just got workbench installed on it last night. It's not instant on, but it's a lot faster than my A2000 booting off of a real 2 GB SCSI hard drive. :) (I'd say it's about a 3 second boot...)
I can try to find out the model numbers on the CF reader and the SCSI convertor, if you need them.