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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: restore2003 on October 26, 2003, 07:54:39 PM
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Since users are strongly divided between Amiga and MorphOS(and AROS), here is a new twist.
This is the AROS users chance to tell their opinion.
:-D
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I have to admit, the concept of AROS is spot on target :-) Tried the latest iso build, 2 days ago, played with it for a while, i like it, but im unsure of what direction it`s gonna take......
What are your ultimate goals for AROS?
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@ everyone
Only reply if you've got something useful to say. Mindless advocacy/bitching will be deleted.
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The future of AROS...
Well in the next few months we should see a Pegasos version followed by an AmigaONE version...
We should also see the Amiga Classic version develop, with an attempt to bring it up to the same level as the x86 and PPC versions.
I would ho[e that someone will continue the Palm port (which will facilitate ports to other PDAs).
We hope to get a native compiler, now Fabio has started work to finish porting it. This might bring developers to the platform..
With the addition of a compiler, the hard disk installer should be completed so that some serious work can begin on a TCP/IP stack.
Once AROS gains a TCP/IP stack it will be an attractive platform to developers and users, very cheap and powerfull hardware, with the ability to run on PPC platforms too...
It will become, one would hope, the Linux of the Amiga World, though not as fragmented as Linux has become.
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What are your ultimate goals for AROS?
Personally, for me I just want a nice system that I can use for any projects I might want to do.
I have to work with computers.. I have to used Windows... I like to use AROS to remind me that computers used to fun and did what you told them. I don't want to have to buy custom hardware (since I already have to spend a lot of money on standard PC hardware for my work), so AROS is my best Option.
I'd love to get my hands on a PPC machine with AROS on it though (so I'll be saving up).
One of the great things about AROS is that as an opensource project, it has no single ultimate goal, it also dosn't have to worry about being profitable... All the people involved with AROS have different goals and the enhancemnts that these users want to add will benefit anyone who wishes to use AROS.
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it also dosn't have to worry about being profitable..
I think that is what will make AROS succed in the future. There is no way a commersial company can mess it all up. As long as the code is open source and the users want to continue use it it will live on.
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I think that is what will make AROS succed in the future. There is no way a commersial company can mess it all up. As long as the code is open source and the users want to continue use it it will live on.
The open source communities are just as capable of screwing up a project like this as a company is. The politics are still present and look much the same. Pride behind different opinions, the same old human characteristics can screw things up just as well.
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Too much sugar for you. Take an early night before you get irritable and annoy your parents.
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I don't think this is a mindless answer....
For me I know my A3k will eventually die and
as I see it Aros will pickup where the classic
Amiga left off. Face it, its the Amiga OS that
everyone likes. The hardware is just a machine
to run it on. As I see it, Aros is taking the general
direction that we all more or less want.
I would have to say that is the real goal.
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While it's true that things in the opensource world can still go awry, the difference is that the code is always there for anyone who wants to pick it up and have fun with it.
To me, an Amiga-like OS on the fastest hardware available makes perfect sense, and as soon as I have myself another (third!) x86 box under this desk, I'll be using AROS regularly, and hopefully I'll be able to start developing software for it too :-)
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To allow people who have x86 machines to run an amiga like os as it gets updated often im sure it will be come very popular. and when the pegasos and amigaone versions are available they will have more choice as to what os they would like to run. :-)
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The open source communities are just as capable of screwing up a project like this as a company is. The politics are still present and look much the same. Pride behind different opinions, the same old human characteristics can screw things up just as well.
What I ment was that because it is open source you cant screw it up and make it die out completely. There can always be another group of programmers continuing with the development.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
While it's true that things in the opensource world can still go awry, the difference is that the code is always there for anyone who wants to pick it up and have fun with it.
To me, an Amiga-like OS on the fastest hardware available makes perfect sense, and as soon as I have myself another (third!) x86 box under this desk, I'll be using AROS regularly, and hopefully I'll be able to start developing software for it too :-)
I certainly look forward to any software you produce!
I prefer not to think about AROS being the "Amiga OS than runns on the fastest hardware", but rather it is the AmigaOS that runs on the hardware *YOU* want it to run on :-)
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I have said this before, but all AROS needs is a little push. In facts that's;
GCC Compiler
TCPIP stack
minimal hardware support
a port of AWEB and YAM
...after that it'll be rockin! I will certainly be using it.
Consider this; If AROS was as feature packed as MorphOS. Would you consider anything else?
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Nice thing about AROS, it can run on standard PC hardware (as well as the Pegs in a month or two). I think this gives AROS (that and it's open source, it can never taken away from us by any companies' bankruptsy) a strong survival capability. It may not have flashy boingball, but that hasn't been worth while logo in years.
Dammy
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Is there going to be UAE for AROS?
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
Is there going to be UAE for AROS?
There already is!! What we need now is AROS for UAE :-)
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by Paul_Gadd on 2003/10/26 16:21:39
Is there going to be UAE for AROS?
UAE for AROS was done awhile ago. =)
Dammy
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Speaking of UAE, there is aTeamAROS (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/)bounty (#7) forming to get some intergration of UAE for 680x0 apps. Final requirements are still be hashed out.
Dammy
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@Bloodline
Not flaming here, just curious...
What can AROS on the Pegasos provide that the A-Box can't? I can see how you can argue that AROS on the AmigaOne is maybe better than AmigaOS4, because you can do things the "old-fashioned way" and have PPC-native code (I'm not saying that the new interface-based approach is worse, I'm saying that one could argue that it is). But on the Pegasos the line is a lot blurrier, because the A-Box (at least to me, I could be wrong) seems to be very similar to AROS in concept (I know, in reality it's built on top of Quark, but as far as the A-Box programmer is concerned, that's supposed to be pretty much invisible).
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CodeSmith wrote:
@Bloodline
Not flaming here, just curious...
What can AROS on the Pegasos provide that the A-Box can't? I can see how you can argue that AROS on the AmigaOne is maybe better than AmigaOS4, because you can do things the "old-fashioned way" and have PPC-native code (I'm not saying that the new interface-based approach is worse, I'm saying that one could argue that it is). But on the Pegasos the line is a lot blurrier, because the A-Box (at least to me, I could be wrong) seems to be very similar to AROS in concept (I know, in reality it's built on top of Quark, but as far as the A-Box programmer is concerned, that's supposed to be pretty much invisible).
Well the ABOX is based on AROS :-) . I think the MOS solution is probably the "better one" (TM), but I don't find it as exciting as AROS.
Both systems have to tackle the same problems, so both will be very similar. I just prefer the Opensource nature of AROS too...
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UAE for AROS was done awhile ago.
Thanks, very interesting indeed, will download a iso and have a go.
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Thanks, very interesting indeed, will download a iso and have a go.
Mind you, the settings can't be changed via GUI as of now, you have to use a configuration file as it is used on linux (with the exceptions that you need to use AmigaOS-style paths for the file names), but it has to be put in the current directory (that is, the directory in which you are when you start UAE, not any other directory): I know all this is messy, but I've not had time to work on it any more since some time.
Ah, of course you'll have to find a way to access a kickstart ROM and the operating system/games from inside AROS :-)
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restore2003 wrote:
Since users are strongly divided between Amiga and MorphOS(and AROS)
don't make assumptions. I have NEVER had any such "divisions" in my mind. anything that lets me use any kind of amiga OS in any way on any hardware is GOOD. period.
i use WInUAE but if AROS let me boot from a CD then i could better use the hardware. if AROS, or MorphOS or OS4 was made for use on handheld devices, this would be great!
how could it not????
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don't make assumptions. I have NEVER had any such "divisions" in my mind. anything that lets me use any kind of amiga OS in any way on any hardware is GOOD. period.
Did i talk about u at all? :-P
U perfectly know there has been some ugly fist fights over the last year between Amiga and MorphOS followers
Its not an assumption its the fact. period :-P
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That's true but your statement could have been misunderstood as meaning that everyone was involved in this division. I, for one, am not, and quite a few others think the infighting is petty...
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I think AROS is just a great opensource alternative, just because it is the only AmigaOS like open source alternative! :-D
It's great to actually see, and be able to edit the code for this type of OS. And some people are just getting sick of Linux/BSD.
Oh, and good news about AROS for A1! :-) I'm sure they will really appreciate that! ;-)
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I agree - I suspect that if anyone took the trouble to look at the archives over the past couple years, he'll discover that it's about 10-15 people making 90% of the bad noise. I suspect these troublemakers are a lot more concerned about pushing people's buttons than pushing the platforms they advocate. The real problems start when these people start provoking normally reasonable people, then the whole thing starts getting really ugly.
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Ah, of course you'll have to find a way to access a kickstart ROM and the operating system/games from inside AROS
Which is the great Irony of using UAE in AROS :-D
Untill the AmigaClassic version of AROS is up to spec, users will have to provide a genuine Amiga Kickstart ROM file.