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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: restore2003 on October 26, 2003, 08:54:52 AM
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The rumours of OS4.0 and A1 has spread cross the internet, more and more lost Amiga users keep coming back, the memberlist of amiga.org and other sites keep growing, and everybody`s expectations are at highest level....
Has the snowball just started to roll?
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I think thats the plan :-)
Hopefully it wont be too long heh
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restore2003 wrote:
... Has the snowball just started to roll? ...
In my honest and very humble opinion, no. Not in the sense that it creates a devastating avalanche. It might create a sphere large enough to make a snowman out of, though :-). I wish both offspring the very best in their (admittedly daring and far from dull) adventure, and hope that they will gain a status other than 'fringy', 'geeky' and 'nostalgic'.
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Looking at the numbers of users coming in, and those getting more and more
comfortable with WinXP/OSX/Linux, I would say it is +/-0 at best ....
How many of those coming in, com in expecting a "new Amiga" ?
You know something capable of running their old games (outside UAE that is),
something affordable with HW including a big "wow" ?
How many of those will be ready to live with just RTG-SW ? SW they often never
used back in their days ? How many will be prepared to spit out >1000Euro (full sys) ?
Sorry,but there simple must be much more than is offered by both sides atm
to make a dent in the desktop-market.
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Depends a lot what (and when) can be offered to them. Both on hardware
and software.
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A bright future for Amiga?
NO
Sorry, but there are too many negative factors in the Amiga market right now to stifle anything BIG from happening.
Now if there was a change and a complete turn-around from AmigaInc, such as better co-operation from management or new management....
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A bright future for Amiga?
YES
Sorry, but there are too many negative people in the Amiga market right now to make it clear that something BIG is happening.
Babelbabbel blabbelbladdel bubbel babbel co-operation babbel.
[edit: fixed babbel]
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Kronos wrote:
How many of those will be ready to live with just RTG-SW ? SW they often never used back in their days ?
That's the sad truth of the matter. 70-80% of the software that made me love the Amiga so much has no chance of running on new Amiga hardware without UAE.
In the end, all that's left for me on a new Amiga platform is the OS and maybe a hacked version of SoundStudio...
:-(
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Hey Gopal and Ikir, its great to see a positive attitude towards the situation.
What makes a bright future possible for Amiga at this point in time?
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@Darth_X
What makes a bright future possible for Amiga at this point in time?
Don't be silly. You're supposed to jump up and down cheering and clapping, not being negative and asking questions. I mean, come on! If everyone asked questions where would we be?
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Yea, atleast there is something going on now, after years of empty dreams and broken promises ;-)
And there is nothing wrong with moving away from the past(software)
If its gonna succeed it is the only way
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I think it may be a good thing on the way. Amiga Inc. needs to ship OS4 with new machines ASAP. They need to get these into the big stores like CompUSA and Fry's electronics again though ASAP. Its all fine and good that internet sites have loads of information ion them, but remember this: People on the internet are using something else to get them to those sites about the new Amiga! They better find something better to get them off that machine they are using.
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It´s a couple of things that make me feel that the future is brighter for alternative desktops.
1. First of all there is the rise of linux, linux will run just as well on PPC (We got IBM on our side here, and "the greates" distro, Debian, is allready running ;).
2. Then there is the DRM issue, Intel and microsoft will implement features on motherboards and in software that take controll over your computer. Not total control, just to check if you got copied software, music or movies and stuff. And maybe to check if you overclocked your cpu? This will really scare linux/bsd people (and a lot of other geeks) away from x86 and over to other platforms.
3. Have you ever bought a copy of Windows? Or at least taken a look at the pricetag? Or noticed how much more each new edition costs? (in norway prices almost doubles for each new windows release).
4. "the second computer" it´s a market where you see machines like Via C3 mini-itx and maybe Amiga/Pegasos in near future. They don´t have to be faster than light to play divX or mp3, surf the web or write a mail. It´s for your mom or dad if you are tired of being their windows support guy.
5. And last but not least. Have u seen the lastest stuff from AInc. and Genesis? It´s just as cool looking as BeOS and MacOS. And looks matter. I know a couple of mac converters, not powerusers. They did it ´cous of the looks and feel of the MacOS and machines.
And now some more babbel...
I have given the genesis/Ainc situation a really good thought. And I am not sure whats best for the community and the amiga market. Ainc. alone? Or Ainc and Genesis together. They fight over a small market, but a monopoly drives the prices up.
I have no conclution other than that I like innovation. AmigaOs is about innovation, MorphOS is still playing catch up (never invented a feature thats not allready in another OS as far as I know). For the "alternative OS scene" a new addition (morphOS) is allways welcome. If AmigaOS was dead i´d love MorphOS and propably be a blind follower.
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Could not agree with you more.
Personally I think we need more companies making a PPC based computer.
ALot of people are worried about what microsoft is doing, or at least trying to do and alot of people want something that can fulfill thier needs, but the options are not really there, except for Macs, and in Australia at least, the price for the machine is simply prohibitive, and that does not include changeover software.
Many companies/governments are looking for viable alternatives to M$ products, and not just the operating system. The license fees are also continuing to climb as M$ tries to squeeze more money out of thier monopoly.
OS4, OS/2 warp linux and morphos could fill this particular need.(as a point of intrest I was using os/2 long before win95 came out and it was great once I learned how to use it. How windows ever dominated that os is a mystery to me, but I am sure some kind of shenanigans were involved)
With this move away from windows a need will arise for a system that developers can use so the can sell thier software across multiple OS's. AMiga DE can be this solution if it can ever reach its full potential.That coupled with an OS that will purportedly be hardware agnostic is a powerful combination, but must be done in the next 2 or 3 years. Windows already is trying to push into the PPC market with such things as Windows on Mac which I saw the other day in my local chain store.
I also think the home C is morphing into the home entertainment and information center of the household.With a tv/radio tuner card I personally will no longer have any need for my seperat DVD, tv, stereo, surround sound video recorder.My PC will fullfill all thos functions, and as it is networked, can supply those needs to any portion of my home.
Amiga Inc. vision of the digital environment fits extremely well with how computer equipment is evolving in my home, and a system that exploits that evolution will be a winner with a great number of people.
What was said above is right though. Looks Count.
Not just in the OS, but in the equipment itself. The tower box needs to go, replaced with an entertainment system look, feel and ease of use.Or even if the tower is placed in its own cupboard somewhere quietly serving many interfaces around the home such as the gameboy, console, the dvd/video feed to the TV, controlling your air conditionor or whatever with built in network cabling much like normal electrical wiring is done today is really just a matter of preferance.
Computers are evolving in this direction, everyone knows it on some level, they just don't realize it. All that is left to do is for our platform to exploit and be the first there so it can set the standard while everyone else plays catch up.
Hell even Commodore realized this back in the 80/90's and that resulted in the CDTV.Too bad they were marketing dunces or they truely could have taken over the world as it were.
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A bright future for the Amiga ?
Maybe, but only trough MorphOS
Bye
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1. The rise of Linux? I can see how running Linux may be desireable and may sell more AmigaOne motherboards but I don't see how it'll sell more AmigaOS 4. Can you expand a bit on how you see Linux promoting OS4?
2.DRM issue? So, Micro$oft implements DRM. Why would you not run another OS instead of OS4? I'll give you that OS4 w/o DRM is a good thing but I think there will be many other alternative OSes out that that would be good choices too.
3. Windows pricetag becoming more expensive. That I cannot agree with you on. AmigaOne +OS4 are $800-$900 (US$). When you can get a Athlon 64 3200+ + Motherboard + Windows XP Pro for $700. So at least performance to $ ratio building the Amiga appears to be overpriced. The only benefit you may gain is if you purchase lots of Software for the Amiga vs lots of Software for the PC the PC software is often more expensive. However, the entry price of Windows performace/price ratio slaps the AmigaOne solution around the room.
4. I agree the 2nd computer is where you'll be seeing the Amiga market.
5. Look feel is important and once AOS4 is released we'll see how it looks and how user modifable it is. That's one of my favorite Amiga underpinnings, that I can make it look anyway I want.
I don't see AmigaOS4 as innovation but rather evolution. It's a conversion of OS3 to PPC. AmigaOS5 may be innovative. Maybe you can expand on how they're being innovative.
Supporting Amiga Inc right now is hard. They have an expensive LinuxPPC motherboard. They claim to be shipping AOS4 someday. They need a product. I want an Amiga as much as the next guy. But, I'm not going to MorphOS, I want an Amiga! If I wanted a platform to run Amiga binaries the WinXP w/ AmigaForever or UAE offers more bang for the buck then MorphOS and I need Windows to support most of the stuff I do at work so it has to be in my home. So if Amiga Inc. doesn't succeed with OS4 there's always Amiga emulation that's more cost/price effective then MorphOS especially seeing as then I'll have 1 system instead of 2. I'm hoping for OS4 and a price reduction.
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Supporting Amiga Inc right now is hard. They have an expensive LinuxPPC motherboard. They claim to be shipping AOS4 someday. They need a product. I want an Amiga as much as the next guy. But, I'm not going to MorphOS, I want an Amiga! If I wanted a platform to run Amiga binaries the WinXP w/ AmigaForever or UAE offers more bang for the buck then MorphOS and I need Windows to support most of the stuff I do at work so it has to be in my home. So if Amiga Inc. doesn't succeed with OS4 there's always Amiga emulation that's more cost/price effective then MorphOS especially seeing as then I'll have 1 system instead of 2. I'm hoping for OS4 and a price reduction.
I have some difficulties to understand you opinion.
You said you want an Amiga. but what is an Amiga for you, something with the Amiga logo or something which make you feel like on an amiga when using it ?
MorphOS is the logical next step on the AmigaOS:
- PPC
- prepare for the future
- made by Amiga fan.
- Running on a PPC computer design by ex Phase5.
It's true than an high-end PC will make AmigaOS 68k running faster than on the Pegasos I, but native PPC software are really fast.
The Pegasos is that you seen to be looking: rather cheap with MorphOS to make you AmigaOS apps running.
PS: not trolling, but just talking.
Bye
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"With a tv/radio tuner card I personally will no longer have any need for my seperat DVD, tv, stereo, surround sound video recorder.My PC will fullfill all thos functions, and as it is networked, can supply those needs to any portion of my home."
Unfortuantely, a PC falls greatly short of replacing my stereo. For the average user a PC may be able to replace some of those lower end Sony, JVC, Pioneer, etc. type of systems. The PC has a LONG way to go to replace the higher end Marantz, McIntosh, Sunfire, Pioneer Elite, etc. market. The rule of thumb is 2x the price is when you see performance gains within today's A/V equipment.
Last year I replaced a JVC 8020 receiver with a Marantz SR7300ose. The sound difference was like night and day. This year I added a Windows Media Center edition to the mix. The sound from MP3's isn't close to the sound from CD's or SACD's. Unfortunately, the market has traded ease of use for reduction in quality.
As the AmigaOne system uses PCI cards same as the Windows PC. I'm sure you'll be seeing similar sound quality issues. I'm hoping Amiga will update the AOS4 so it can handle the latest video and audio cards on the market, which will further help OS4 catch up to the sound quality of the PC. But, a computer based home theatre architecture has NOT come close to being able to replace my Marantz system. Someday? Probably. Today? No.
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The rise of Linux is part of why I can toss my wintel stuff right away. They have the applications. I will propably be using OpenOffice, opera, mozilla and more ´till decent applications become ppc native for OS4.
The hardware Eyetech is releasing will propably be sold to linux users as well. Pushing the price for the rest of us. The microA1 will be the perfect match for those who build presentation systems for airports, ATMs and so on.
The topic is the rise of amiga, not amigaOS. And the linux saga will help buyers understand there is alternatives out there.
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I admit that there might not be much room for inovation over at Hyperion right now, it´s pretty much clean up the mess, and port it to PPC.
But their code is the real and legendary Commodore AmigaOS source code man.
I hope the "earlybird" days are over soon, and we get to see microA1 with a decent price.
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Frankly, I have a hard time understanding the reason for the amount of negativity that flows in this community.
What are you expecting? That the entire world would stop using Windows the day that a new Amiga is anounced? That all of the sudden, there is a gigantic flow of software available for your AmigaOne or Pegasos?
I think that there are reasons to be happy today, and even more in the future. These are not the days of Escom's or Gateway's vapour promises anymore. The products are here. The community is here. The developers are here. Sure, it's all at a very small scale right now, but we have to start somewhere, don't we? Building a platform takes time.
This is a great time for alternative computing. We're not going to see major innovations from the main players during the next few years. Take Longhorn for instance: delayed until 2006 and we know that basically it will be little more than a cosmetic improvement over XP with a few security issues fixed. Linux? Maybe support for some more hardware and make it less hard to use. Hardware? Just some more Mhz and even bigger/noisier cooling. So, there is plenty of time now to evolve an alternative platform to a point that, feature-wise, will be very close to the main players.
So, to answer to initial question: There is a bright future for Alternative Computing. It's already starting. In my opinion you have 3 choices:
1. Just use Windows/Linux/Mac all the time and ignore the whole thing.
2. Sit on your arse all day posting at Amiga.org and ann.lu about how depressing the whole thing is, that Windows has so many things that we don't, that people that bought a Pegasos or A1 and are having real fun playing with it must be really stupid.
3. Support your favourite platform in whatever way you can and have fun in the process, knowing that you are part of this effort to create an alternative, fun, computing platform.
I clearly chose option 3.
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NicoPPC wrote:
You said you want an Amiga. but what is an Amiga for you, something with the Amiga logo or something which make you feel like on an amiga when using it ?
MorphOS is the logical next step on the AmigaOS:
- PPC
- prepare for the future
- made by Amiga fan.
- Running on a PPC computer design by ex Phase5.
It's true than an high-end PC will make AmigaOS 68k running faster than on the Pegasos I, but native PPC software are really fast.
The Pegasos is that you seen to be looking: rather cheap with MorphOS to make you AmigaOS apps running.
PS: not trolling, but just talking.
Bye
Nico,
Once AmigaOS4 PPC software comes out will MorphOS be able to run them? I'm doubtful that this will be the case. I'd be interested in a lower cost PPC hardware, perhaps Pegasos-II, running AOS4.
But, if I want the look and feel of an Amiga, but can't have an Amiga, why would I choose MorphOS over AmigaForever? Especially if AmigaForever runs the same software and faster? Sure it's not PPC but I don't care I get more performance and a much greater performance/$ so what's the overriding factor to choose MorphOS?
I have 1 need and 1 want. The need is a Win XP machine, I'm a systems engineer and work on 80% Windows and 20% Solaris. The want is an Amiga, because that's the OS I like the best.
Considering your definitions:
MorphOS PPC -- So is AOS4.
MorphOS preparing for the future --- questionable if it'll be able to run OS4.x PPC software any better then OS4 will.
MorphOS made by an Amiga fan -- great they felt left out by Amiga and did it their way. Good for them.
MorphOS PPC design by exPhase5 -- fine it doesn't matter to me if the hardware is exPhase5 or some other company.
So if I limit myself to the two options you provided:
Amiga Logo OR Look feel via MorphOS. I'd have to pick the Amiga Logo. I already have look feel it's AmigaForever running software quicker then MorphOS.
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How many will be prepared to spit out >1000Euro (full sys) ?
Lets hope that the lite/micro one will be cheaper...
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by Gopal on 2003/10/26 10:19:42
The rise of Linux is part of why I can toss my wintel stuff right away. They have the applications. I will propably be using OpenOffice, opera, mozilla and more ´till decent applications become ppc native for OS4.
But what is the driving force for Linux users to go PPC? Going for a A1 G4 1GHz or ~$920 USD for a MSI mobo with dual 240s? Somehow, I think the Linux geeks are going to be coughing up the $920 for dual Opteron combo, and not the A1.
Dammy
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by ruben on 2003/10/26 10:45:47
So, to answer to initial question: There is a bright future for Alternative Computing. It's already starting. In my opinion you have 3 choices:
1. Just use Windows/Linux/Mac all the time and ignore the whole thing.
2. Sit on your arse all day posting at Amiga.org and ann.lu about how depressing the whole thing is, that Windows has so many things that we don't, that people that bought a Pegasos or A1 and are having real fun playing with it must be really stupid.
3. Support your favourite platform in whatever way you can and have fun in the process, knowing that you are part of this effort to create an alternative, fun, computing platform.
I clearly chose option 3.
4. Run AROS on your favorite demon x86 and have fun. =)
Dammy
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Maybe, but only trough MorphOS
I say it again... MorphOS/Pegasos has nothing at all to do with amiga, other than the fact that it runs some Amiga software... MorphOS is a different os, though very similar at the same time. AmigaONE/AmigaOS4 is more amiga than pegasos/morphos will ever be.... unless genesi manage to buy out AmigaINC that is..
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by Brianew on 2003/10/26 10:49:44
I have 1 need and 1 want. The need is a Win XP machine, I'm a systems engineer and work on 80% Windows and 20% Solaris. The want is an Amiga, because that's the OS I like the best.
Would the ability to dual/tri boot your x86 with AROS change your mind?
Dammy
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Supporting Amiga Inc right now is hard. They have an expensive LinuxPPC motherboard. They claim to be shipping AOS4 someday. They need a product. I want an Amiga as much as the next guy.
just hold on a little more ;-) OS4 will be released very soon now, i am sure of it :-) afaik there is only minor porting left, until it is "finished"
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dammy wrote:
by Brianew on 2003/10/26 10:49:44
I have 1 need and 1 want. The need is a Win XP machine, I'm a systems engineer and work on 80% Windows and 20% Solaris. The want is an Amiga, because that's the OS I like the best.
Would the ability to dual/tri boot your x86 with AROS change your mind?
Dammy
Dual boot or Tri boot? I might do it. I tried it for a while with Amithlon and Win2k and once I built the current hardware I settled to just a single boot WinXP with AmigaForever.
AmigaForever proved to be a better solution for me. Here's a couple of examples. At the time I was upgrading hardware Amithlon didn't have a Nforce2 chipset version so I wouldn't be able to run Amithlon on the motherboard. At the time I was upgrading Amithlon didn't have drivers for the Nvidia Geforce4TI 4200. So, while I wanted a newer video card Amithlon wouldn't be able to use the extra video performance. AmigaForever made it such that the issues weren't a worry.
I haven't been following AROS much. But, if I can freely replace x86 hardware without long periods of waiting for drivers to be updated or worse no driver updates, such as the Geforce4, it might be an option.
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restore2003 wrote:
The rumours of OS4.0 and A1 has spread cross the internet, more and more lost Amiga users keep coming back, the memberlist of amiga.org and other sites keep growing, and everybody`s expectations are at highest level....
Has the snowball just started to roll?
This is what the world thinks everytime Amiga cries wolf....
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/99aug/19990829.html (http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/99aug/19990829.html)
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Tomas wrote:
. AmigaONE/AmigaOS4 is more amiga than pegasos/morphos will ever be.... unless genesi manage to buy out AmigaINC that is..
The AmigaOne is a MAI teron CX resells by Eyetech.
The Pegasos is desgined by bPlan (ex-Phase5) and made by DCE.
The only amiga part in AmigaOne is the name.
Which one is more close to the Amiga ?
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when you start seeing countries putting a ban on "windows" and throwing it out of its land, I'd say Amiga has a great out look at this point. If governments are getting enought of windows then I supect that most people have had well over enought! Amiga I believe will soon see its wish/dream come true... :-)
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Brianew wrote:
Nico,
Once AmigaOS4 PPC software comes out will MorphOS be able to run them? I'm doubtful that this will be the case. I'd be interested in a lower cost PPC hardware, perhaps Pegasos-II, running AOS4.
There is no point to make OS4 running under a Pegasos II while you have MorphOS.
But, if I want the look and feel of an Amiga, but can't have an Amiga, why would I choose MorphOS over AmigaForever? Especially if AmigaForever runs the same software and faster? Sure it's not PPC but I don't care I get more performance and a much greater performance/$ so what's the overriding factor to choose MorphOS?
Well, you have to use Windows to use AmigaForever, it's not that I call a real alternative...
The want is an Amiga, because that's the OS I like the best.
Then you will like MorphOS, TEST IT !
MorphOS preparing for the future --- questionable if it'll be able to run OS4.x PPC software any better then OS4 will.
When I say prepare for the future, I mean I speak about the future Q-Box.
Well, for the moement, there are a lot of more MorphOs native software than AmigaOS4. So it should be better to be MorphOS compatible.
Moreover, MOS is compatible with PowerUP and WarpOS.
If you haven't already, you should really test MorphOS, it's like the AmigaOS in a user point of view. Just FFFFFAAAASSSSTTTTEEEEERRR
Bye
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by Brianew on 2003/10/26 11:15:51
I haven't been following AROS much. But, if I can freely replace x86 hardware without long periods of waiting for drivers to be updated or worse no driver updates, such as the Geforce4, it might be an option.
Go grab the latest AROS ISO CD (http://www.aros.org/download.php) and take a look for yourself since it's self booting. =)
Dammy
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that_punk_guy wrote:
Kronos wrote:
How many of those will be ready to live with just RTG-SW ? SW they often never used back in their days ?
That's the sad truth of the matter. 70-80% of the software that made me love the Amiga so much has no chance of running on new Amiga hardware without UAE.
But would you want to? And would you pay hundreds of pounds to run 10-15 year old software? What sort of software do you mean?
For games, I'd say it's better to run under UAE. Firstly, you can run them under the OS, rather than having to shutdown all your applications and reboot into the game. Secondly, whilst UAE has compatibility problems, it seems to be a lot better in general at running old software then current modern day Amigas are.
Things like SoundStudio are a problem though, I agree. It's a shame that it never supported AHI. I wonder if something can be done like happened on Amithlon, where calls to paula are remapped to the sound card?
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@NicoPPC:
The AmigaOne is a MAI teron CX resells by Eyetech.
The Pegasos is desgined by bPlan (ex-Phase5) and made by DCE.
The only amiga part in AmigaOne is the name.
Could you please stop to turn this thread into another MOS vs. OS4 mess.
This thread is about Amiga's future. If your definition of "Amiga" includes MOS, then talk about MOS'/Genesi's future - if not, keep out of the thread.
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The AmigaOne is a MAI teron CX resells by Eyetech.
That is mostly true, but the same thing is happening in the pc world... many pc manufactors use standard motherboards, then rebranding them under their name.
I have heard though that there are some minor differences from the teron boards..
The only amiga part in AmigaOne is the name.
that and the fact that it is officialy licensed by AmigaINC.
Which one is more close to the Amiga ?
Since AmigaONE is licensed while pegasos is not, then AmigaONE is still most amiga... thats the way things works, does not matter who orginally produced the board.. I am not saying that Pegasos is a worse choice than AmigaONE though.. It is probably a very nice board and MorphOS sounds like it is a very nice OS.
I still personally want the AONE just because i want to run OS4. That is if it ever drops in price... too expensive for me now :-(
Genesis should really focus on advertising Pegasos/morphos as a totally new platform, instead of trying to be the next Amiga
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cgutjah:
yes i wish i was an moderator , i would have cleaned up all theese MOS VS AOS4 / AOS VS MOS threads.
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This thread is about the future of AMIGA, and everything related, (os4.x, software, hardware eg. A1) and NOT MorphOS.
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and if DCE / bplan is amiga fan's then..ROFL!
That is another reason why i do not choose pegasos over amigaone... They managed to get themself a VERY bad reputation by screwing their customers before.. Though good they are trying to change this now, but this is not yet enough for me.
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Genesis should really focus on advertising Pegasos/morphos as a totally new platform, instead of trying to be the next Amiga
I agree on this, 100%
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@lempkee
And where would we be without Phase5 ? Without all the Blizzards, Cyberstorms ?
Without the Cybervision and CGX ?
Have a look at the Atari-scene to get a clue .....
Do you really think laire or Garda made a fortune with the P5-bancruptsy ?
Think again, they have been victims of that, even to a far bigger extent than
everybody. Before you reply, it would be good if you could check out how
Phase5 was organized (hint more than 1 company), and who managed to get
his head out while he was 90% responsible for the mess.
The connection between Genesi is far weaker than the one between AInc and
Hyperion/Eyetech (Genesi can just change to another production-line), and
AInc is just as bad if not worse than DCE.
I choose to stick on the blue side, cos those are the people who made it
possible that Amiga didn't turn 100% retro in 1995 or so.
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why i do not choose pegasos over amigaone
Considering the horrid quality of Hyperion's games, I'm surprised you've chosen any side over the other. Their games didn't work on half the PPC cards advertised, but that never stopped them from selling them. Hyperion is just as well known for defective products, and there are a lot of people still waiting on patches from them (that will obviously never come).
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Well, in the future MS look certain to lock-out non-MS OS's from the x86 (and successor) series hardware!
The Terron/AmigaOne PPCs are the biggest-selling non-Mac PPC hardware! Don't forget that the motherboard can be bought cheaper for purely Linux running!
The motherboard/system prices will come down as production runs >10,000 occur!
India and China are going to be the fastest growing IT markets, and its fairly certain that non-MS answers will be eagerly sought out!
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@Starglider
Oh, the future of Amiga without MorphOS? Sorry, MorphOS *IS* the future for the AmigaOS applications and community. There are three choices:
1) AROS
2) MorphOS
3) You can post about how bright the future is for OS4, and never actually *be* part of any future at all.
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Acill wrote:
I think it may be a good thing on the way. Amiga Inc. needs to ship OS4 with new machines ASAP. They need to get these into the big stores like CompUSA and Fry's electronics again though ASAP. Its all fine and good that internet sites have loads of information ion them, but remember this: People on the internet are using something else to get them to those sites about the new Amiga! They better find something better to get them off that machine they are using.
You have to be realistic about current market conditions.
Giant retailers such as these would do their 'due dilligence' and properly research the business dealings of AmigaInc. I don't think that they would be very impressed.
I doubt AmigaInc have any credibility left for retailers like CompUSA or Fry's to even want to touch anything Amiga related.
Maybe Mai Logic can make use of their Californian office to bail out AmigaInc? It is their product, they should support it in the USA, right?
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lempkee wrote:
nico: and who made so many leave amiga in the first place ? PHASE 5/DCE! , they produced so much crap in the ppc sector that people lost interests and moved away!.
Phase 5 made a lot a stuff for the Amiga. Like the CyberVision Series, the CyberStorm series or the Blizzard Series.
Phase 5 brang PPC to the Amiga.
This is my opinion, but you are free to give you argument.
amigaos4 will RULE! , when it comes..
I don't think so. Did you read the AmigaOS 4 architecture article on os.amiga.com ?
sure pegasos 2 is interesting, sure morphos is interesting, but linux/windows/mac AINT! , the most insteresting is OS4! ,the single reason why i stayed on amiga.. THE OS and the stuff around it.
Take a moment to figure out, and you will notice, I think, that MorphOS is THE AmigaOS Next Generation.
amiga has a bright future? , YES is my answer.
In my own opinion, maybe, but with MorphOS.
I don't really want to make another huge OS4 vs MOS troll thread. Just want to debate in peace :-)
So please not flame, just opinion and arguement !
I think, it's good to debate but bad to troll.
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The Terron/AmigaOne PPCs are the biggest-selling non-Mac PPC hardware! Don't forget that the motherboard can be bought cheaper for purely Linux running!
Humm, I don't think so.
In my opinion, it's the Pegasos. But noone can't be sure, has noone as the good "number".
Futhermore, the Teron CX/AmigaOne had, and certainly still have big hardware problem.
bye
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DaveC wrote:
@Starglider
Oh, the future of Amiga without MorphOS? Sorry, MorphOS *IS* the future for the AmigaOS applications and community. There are three choices:
1) AROS
2) MorphOS
3) You can post about how bright the future is for OS4, and never actually *be* part of any future at all.
Yeah, you are perfectly right, while the rest of us OS4 supporters are totally dumb... you know everything, while we dont know a ####....
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NicoPPC wrote:
A bright future for the Amiga ?
Maybe, but only trough MorphOS
Bye
QNX on Pegasos might be a better solution than MorphOS. I'd certainly prefer QNX over Linux :-D
OS4 on a Pegasos II would be interesting...
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Darth_X wrote:
NicoPPC wrote:
A bright future for the Amiga ?
Maybe, but only trough MorphOS
Bye
QNX on Pegasos might be a better solution than MorphOS. I'd certainly prefer QNX over Linux :-D
I was spaking of the Amiga future.
I only tested QNX once on a x86. I don't really have an opinion about it, but a lot of people say it's a good OS.
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Brianew wrote:
But, if I want the look and feel of an Amiga, but can't have an Amiga, why would I choose MorphOS over AmigaForever? Especially if AmigaForever runs the same software and faster? Sure it's not PPC but I don't care I get more performance and a much greater performance/$ so what's the overriding factor to choose MorphOS?
But exactly the same can be said about AmigaForever versus OS4!
I don't understand what extra special property AmigaOS 4 will have. To suggest that MorphOS is comparable to AmigaForever is absurd - the latter is an emulator that runs on an OS that's not at all related to the Amiga. MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 are/will be native PPC OSs that run Amiga software through emulation, or natively if recompiled for the new OS, and I believe both OSs are supposed to be very similar to AmigaOS 3.x.
At the end of the day, one has to compare *all* solutions, and pick the best that is best for them. I don't see how somehow AmigaOS 4 will be exempt from comparisons with WinUAE.
So if I limit myself to the two options you provided:
Amiga Logo OR Look feel via MorphOS. I'd have to pick the Amiga Logo. I already have look feel it's AmigaForever running software quicker then MorphOS.
I've got some stickers with the Amiga Logo on them, I think they were given away in Amiga Format a few years ago. Want me to post them to you, so you can stick on your machine of choice and have both speed and logo? ;)
(And for the record, I use WinUAE - but I choose it over both MorphOS, and any OS that Amiga Inc might produce in future).
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@vortexau
The Terron/AmigaOne PPCs are the biggest-selling non-Mac PPC hardware! Don't forget that the motherboard can be bought cheaper for purely Linux running!
But that's not an AmigaOne. It's just a Teron board. To call it an AmigaOne it must come with AmigaOS4, as that is part of the licensing conditions. Furthermore, the last time I saw any statement from Eyetech about that, Alan said he was not making any non-AmigaOne boards available for sale until further notice.
Besides, I thought no sale figures were available? Or are we just basing all that on various claims made by certain companies?
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its very simple
you got I would say 4 groups
MorphOS - Users
AmigaOS4 - Waiters
Classic Amiga - Users
Aros - Users
there may be a fifth group 'generic trolls" but thats not been exposed yet :)
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NicoPPC wrote:
A bright future for the Amiga ?
Maybe, but only trough MorphOS
Bye
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Muahahaha! Lamma lamer mania eh NicoPPC.
A bight future for the Mercedes?
Maybe, but only trough Sting.
My post has more sense than your :roflmao:
Why i am positive? Why be negative? In the past years was wrost... now we have new Amiga, a kick.ass OS4 soon.... I can't see the reasons to be negative..... maybe all the trolls out there makes me be negative sometimes :roll:
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Nyash.. not sure...
either way,
68k 060 AGA will still
be my goooood gooooooooood friend.
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- edit - Nah, screw it. There's so many mindless troll/fanboy/childish comments here already, I can't be bothered to continue watching the tone get progressively lowered.
Thread locked.
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ikir wrote:
Muahahaha! Lamma lamer mania eh NicoPPC.
Please no troll, debate. I can't see any good debate in that sentence.
My post has more sense than your :roflmao:
Yes, I can see that in all the argument you gave.
Why i am positive? Why be negative? In the past years was wrost... now we have new Amiga, a kick.ass OS4 soon....
How can you make an opinion on an OS without using it daily ?
I'm a daily Linux user, I have an opinion about Linux
I'm a daily Windows user ! (sad !), I have an opinion.
I'm a daily MorphOS user, I have an opinion.
For the other OS, I look into architecture description, commentes form user ...
I can't really see any interresting stuff in AmigaOS4 compare to MorphOS ATM.
You can prefer OS4 over MorphOS. But, give me some arguments, please, no trol
Bye
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Phase 5 made a lot a stuff for the Amiga. Like the CyberVision Series, the CyberStorm series or the Blizzard Series.
Phase 5 brang PPC to the Amiga.
This is my opinion, but you are free to give you argument.
Yes, they did bring PPC to Amiga users. At a price that was so high (around $1200 USD just for a PPC accellerator) that never really decreased in price, and most Amiga users could never afford, or simply refused to pay. More for an accellerator than whole systems were costing at the time.
And the $289.00 graphic card that was based on several years old graphic chip that PC owners were able to buy for $50! So when anyone wants to talk about how much the cost of an AmigaOne is, remember those points. And look at the cost even to this day of a DCE built 233MHz CS/PPC (around $900 USD) Rediculous! If I'm going to spend $900, you better bet that it's going to be a complete motherboard with at least a half way modern cpu that can take modern graphic cards and such, and not have to be put into a custom $300 case.
Take a moment to figure out, and you will notice, I think, that MorphOS is THE AmigaOS Next Generation.
It absolutely cannot be... it doesn't have the Amiga source code to build upon. It's no more AmigaOS than BeOS is AmigaOS. It can only ever be an Amiga "alike" OS. Sorry. Unless, of course, Genesi buys out Amiga, and renames MOS, but even then, IMO, it would not be AmigaOS, but something like it.
For my 2 cents... Yes, I think Amiga (proper) has a good future. But only time will tell. And BTW, I don't agree, I would like to see OS4 running on the Pegasos II.
Healthy competition could lower costs and stimulate sales and advancements in hardware. So it could benefit both OS4 and MOS users, give Hyperion a wider audience, and Genesi more hardware sales.