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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: paolone on January 27, 2009, 06:25:24 PM
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VmwAROS update 1.0.2 is here. For the first time ever, it is available in two formats: a update-only disk for current VmwAROS 1.0 and 1.0.1 users, and an updated ISO of the whole Live! distribution.
A detailed description of the most interesing features is here (http://vmwaros.blogspot.com/2009/01/plug-me-in.html), while a short list follows.
New from VmwAROS 1.0.1
- added SabreMSN
- faster Amiga emulation with AmiBridge
- updated development chain
- updated ATI™ and Nvidia™ native drivers
- updated mplayer
- updated Eternal Lands MMORPG client
- updated FTP and HTTP server: they now work with DHCP
- added USB mass storage support
- updated VmwAROS preference script
- updated ConfigIP (won't ask for Yafs anymore)
- updated VmwUpdate
- AmiStart now shows 1.0.1 and 1.0.2 programs
- Opaque can be disabled in Preferences
- updated and more compatible ata.device
- added antialiasing to PoorPDF
- reintroduced SFSdefrag
Download the update disk only (89 MB) (http://vmwaros.blogspot.com/2009/01/vmwaros-102-update-disc-available-for.html)
Download the whole DVD ISO distribution (288 MB) (http://vmwaros.blogspot.com/2009/01/vmwaros-live-is-complete-distribution.html)
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paolone, it's impossible to keep track with you updates, STOP it!
(Just kidding, of course :-D )
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Fantastic news, thank you.
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Ehehehe, I originally planned to make an update every 30-60 days, but AROS vitality is great these days, so I had to modify my original plan.
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@paolone
Quick question. Why do you need to include updated drivers if this runs in a virtual environment?
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@tonyyeb
Think about it... ;-)
-hint- it can also boot a real PC
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Oh I see. I didn't realise it was a distribution. I just thought (going by the name... how silly of me :roll: ) that it was for virtual environments. Maybe a name change for the non VM version is needed?
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Oh I see. I didn't realise it was a distribution. I just thought (going by the name... how silly of me ) that it was for virtual environments. Maybe a name change for the non VM version is needed?
No, maybe *reading* what's written on websites is needed.
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Perhaps you should listen to constructive criticism.
I have been interested in AROS for years and downloaded a few of the distros, but always ignored this as I believed it to be a virtual machine.
The internet is a big place and we all only have limited time. It is therefore important to set aside arrogance and listen and perhaps name things accordingly.
Just how many other people have ignored this due to a misconception?
Anyway, I have read your site and it says you need a 12x cdrom, but it also says it is a DVD iso? Which is it?
I should also say that your efforts are miraculous and I thank you for your continued effort. Just don't take things personally.
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@paolone
Sorry but as has just been posted VMWAros means to me VMWare Aros. Only by reading posts by you do I now know it isn't VMWare any more... Let alone that it comes in Live! and VE versions which is even more confusing.
Instead of telling people to go read the website, why not think "Hmmm... here is someone confused by the naming of my product. Are there others who have yet to say anything like him? Maybe there is an issue?" And then investigate?
Afterall what Aros needs is more users. Your product enables people to try/use Aros very easily without much fuss. Putting potential users off with 'off the cuff' remarks and poor naming is self defeating.
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Come on guys, give Paolone a break - he is doing a great job with the distro and don't read too much into a one-line reply with a light hearted comment.
I agree that a prettier name could eventually be found, but this will not happen overnight: the name has a history and a large investment that goes with it (website, domain, etc.). I personally find it romantic that it also manages to convey the distro's humble beginnings.
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He is doing a fantastic job, but i'm trying to give a bit of constructive criticism. Not slag him or his work off. Even if he has not intentions of even considering changing the name, a simple "Thanks for the comments" would have been better.
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I agree: it is not very easy to realize what VmwAROS is
For example:
Is it a virtual machine only ?
Do i need to install(buy?) some kind of virtual machine to make it works?
Does it need a CD burner or a DVD burner ?
And if i dont have a DVD burner ?
===> need a FAQ :-)
Alain
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I have been a hardcore Amiga user since 1985.
I have read the VMWaros website several different times over the last several months and each time I walked away dazed and confused. VMWaros seems to need and not need VMWare which is free and not free but that is okay because it works and does not work with and without VMWare on a plain or not plain PC.
:crazy:
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Sorry, but I simply don't understand where is the problem. VmwAROS stands for 'virtual machine with AROS' but gives lot of freedom to the users. The project started as a VM for VMware (yes) but in the meanwhile it evolved in a complete distribution which:
- can run on top of real hardware (live!)
- can run in a window in Windows (live!, formerly 'exe')
- can run in a pre-installed VMware virtual machine.
That is.
I don't pretend to wear something on my head while downloading 'Red Hat' ;-)
In the meanwhile VmwAROS has got enough popular and a name change would be even more misleading. Not counting issues with internet domain and so.
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I have read the VMWaros website several different times over the last several months and each time I walked away dazed and confused. VMWaros seems to need and not need VMWare which is free and not free but that is okay because it works and does not work with and without VMWare on a plain or not plain PC
You just need to understand that "VmwAROS" offers two different "products", the former called Live! and the other VE. They are based on the same technology, but aimed to do different things.
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Ok, you have a product called "VmwAROS Live!"
What part of that product is virtual?
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@ChaosLord
Very good point!
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Thanx for the awesome work your doing paolone.
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Thanx for the awesome work your doing paolone.
I think it's a pcoollaboration , actually. :oops:
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Ok, you have a product called "VmwAROS Live!" What part of that product is virtual?
Maybe the part that you launch, after extracting the .7z archive, clicking twice on the "win32-start" or "win64-start" icons?
The more you're talking, the more I suspect you haven't ever seen what you're talking about, nor you haven't informed yourself. So this discussion is totally pointless.
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Thanx for the awesome work your doing paolone.
Thanks.
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@paolone
But isn't that totally the point. People aren't even downloading and trying cause they are confused. Look if you intend to keep ignoring these comments then fine, that is upto you, your software, you do what you like.
The AROS appeal is limited and there must be people like us that are finding the naming confusing and are being put off. Instead of fighting the comments try to understand that there maybe a real issue here. We aren't just saying it cause we want to argue with someone. I WANT AROS and VmwAROS to succeed. I REALLY DO!
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But isn't that totally the point. People aren't even downloading and trying cause they are confused. Look if you intend to keep ignoring these comments then fine, that is upto you, your software, you do what you like.
Really? For now I got thousands of downloads for the Live! and VE versions, and 3 people whining 'cos they have been 'misleaded' by the distribution name. I can agree to the fact that 'vmwaros' is a little confusing, but I don't feel the need for a name change. Moreover, what name should I choose right, then? And, finally, since VmwAROS has appeared on dozens of websites and printed magazines, why should I change a relatively well-known brand with a new one?
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Ok, you have a product called "VmwAROS Live!" What part of that product is virtual?
Maybe the part that you launch, after extracting the .7z archive, clicking twice on the "win32-start" or "win64-start" icons?
Ok, so if one were to describe "VmwAROS Live!" as "VmwAROS for Microsoft Windows" then that would be 100% accurate?
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@paolone
Ok, you obviously don't see a big enough need to change. That's fine as I say it is your software. Good luck with future developments. I will continue to follow how you get on.
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what name should I choose right, then?
Posiblities:
VmwAROS = AROS for VMware
RmwAROS = AROS for Real Machines = Native AROS
RmwAROS = Real Machine With AROS
WinAROS = AROS for MS Windows = "VmwAROS Live!"
or maybe "WinAROS Live!"
You can keep the same domain and website.
You can keep advertising VmwAROS.
When people go to your website, you are allowed to advertise other products, such as WinAROS and RmwAROS.
The above proposed solution would completely unconfuse me. And probably thousands of others.
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Oh well. At least he did change the requirements to "fast DVD dive" after my comment.
Shame he couldn't acknowledge it here.
Think I'll give this distro a miss.
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Oh well. At least he did change the requirements to "fast DVD dive" after my comment.
Oh yes, sorry for haven't reported it here. Thanks for your hint.
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Posiblities: VmwAROS = AROS for VMware RmwAROS = AROS for Real Machines = Native AROS RmwAROS = Real Machine With AROS WinAROS = AROS for MS Windows = "VmwAROS Live!" or maybe "WinAROS Live!"
Are you kidding, or do you REALLY believe this mess would simplfy things?
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Ok, so if one were to describe "VmwAROS Live!" as "VmwAROS for Microsoft Windows" then that would be 100% accurate?
I don't see the point in a similar description, since on VmwAROS website first lines says:
"VmwAROS is a pre-configured AROS desktop envirnoment available in two formats: a bootable live-DVD installable on the hard drive, and a disk image for VMware."
and short description for VmwAROS Live! is:
"The VmwAROS desktop environment on a bootable live-DVD, which runs directly on your PC."
I suppose people should at least inform themselves BEFORE trying to describe something, or not?
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i could care less about the name as long it got aros in it...
the one thing that is important for me is the integration of that emulator, i have been waiting since the beginning of aros. to run 68k appz as native. without starting an emulator and setting it up and then install the 68k app and running it, running apps in an emulator windows just dont do it. i want to just click an icon i have on my desktop and the app start without any interference of that damn emulator.
when that is possible i will start playing with aros.... the next step is to get a good web browser, then i will start using on regular basis and not just for the regular fix for old 68k appz and games..
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ajlwalker wrote:
Oh well. At least he did change the requirements to "fast DVD dive" after my comment.
Shame he couldn't acknowledge it here.
Think I'll give this distro a miss.
You did a fantastic job by finding this outdated line of text. Does that make you feel better?
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I don't understand why you have this attitude against Paolone. He put a lot of work into it in return and he gets the heat for what ?? A name, sheesh ! :roll:
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@Manu
Yeah, he's doing an outstanding job and any name changes to the Live or VM versions of AROS would just muck things up. He's just finding out as I did, that there are trolls on this board who do nothing but lie in wait to attack and criticize others.
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Well put Lorraine.
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@ferrellsl
You better not be referring to me. I don't post much, but you'll struggle to find anything remotely trollish in any of my postings.
I saw someone react in an oversenstive manner to what I saw was constructive critiscism. Perhaps it could have been worded better, but I understood his point.
Paolone may be happy with his thousands of downloads and I have thanked him for his work, but for him simply to dismiss any criticism could mean that his distro is not maximising it's potential.
For example I told loads of people about AROS Max when it was doing the rounds and handed out CDs to people to try. I have not done this with this distro as I was unaware it was a live distro. That may have been my bad, but the name hasn't help in this case.
For you to come out and say people are trolling is totally misconstruing the situation and is trollish in itself.
It is up to paolone to decide what to do and I respect that. He is well capable of defending himself as he has demonstrated here, so how about just crawling back under your stone?
I only mentioned the CD/DVD thing because of Paolone's one line answer. I pointed out I read his website and it didn't clarify everything.
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ajlwalker here is a perfect troll exsample... no doubth about that..... :lol:
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When I boot from dvd I get amigapointer and I can move it in a box for some time before it all halts. Using QEMU all is ok, except I get three times:
BAD SWSTYLE: 0x04
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When I boot from dvd I get amigapointer and I can move it in a box for some time before it all halts. Using QEMU all is ok, except I get three times: BAD SWSTYLE: 0x04
Unluckily AROS system files are still far from perfect, but maybe you can help us fixing them by posting your problem to the bugtracker on www.aros.org. Provide all informations you can, like hardware configuration and a verbose description of the issue, maybe try to choose a VGA 640x480 mode, which would give you some more system messages.
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@Paulone
If you stop providing vmwaros the difficulty for someone new testing it would be much harder. Vmwaros is very much needed and very much appreciated.
@A1260
There will probably be integration before summer. One of the expert programmers is working on that.
About names:
Isn’t the most important thing that it’s called LIVE since live usually means a bootable cd/dvd that’s installable natively, for millions in linux world?
Vmwaros live is:
1. Bootable from a burned dvd
2. Natively installable on hard disk from the same burned DVD, (the most important thing)
3. And as an extra feature, The iso could also be booted directly in Windows with qemu for a sneek peek. (thats what the exe is for.)
That’s more than you usually gets then something is called LIVE.
@hooligan
I earlier run the vmwaros VE 1.0 (for vmplayer) in the P4 2.6ghz. And sometimes I get this invisible box effect right after start. I used to solve that by moving the pointer to the top of the screen, and that released the box effect and the pointer could move over the whole screen. Perhaps this helps.
Thanks to the aros team for making Aros and thanks for vmwaros.
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SabreMSN added, eh? cool. we should send the author paypal donations to thank him for his software! Theres a donation button on his website: http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com
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It doesn't work(tried NVIDIA, VESA) on my Intel SantaRosa based ASUS G1S laptop. It works(via VESA) on the old MSI 635 laptop.
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@Paolone
I will follow your suggestions this evening.
@Jahc
BTW just let you know, Wookiechat was the only program which brought AROS down several times. This when closing the app.
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Ok, you have a product called "VmwAROS Live!" What part of that product is virtual?
He has a product that started its life as a virtual environment(VE), since then it has evolved into a distribution and allowed the user to see the VE but this time natively..
Usually people would be thankful that other took their time to present a better product, still most prefer to dwell into nitpicking avoiding the VmwAROS site altogether, they seem to think they're so important that only the author alone can enlighten their doubts.