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Title: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Pyromania on September 25, 2008, 12:27:13 PM
This months Seeding the Success Campaign is going to be a little different. The winner is Rogue from Hyperion Entertainment for all his hard work on Amiga OS 4.1. He will of course get $100 but instead of Paypaling money we have set-up a Instant Bounty for him to receive a Sony PS3. We read with great interest in the recent Ars Technica interview that a port of Amiga OS 4.1 to PS3 had been seriously considered. We then read with sadness a comment from Rogue on aw.net that he did not have a PS3 and could not experiment on doing a port without one.

So getting Rogue a PS3 is the focus of Amiga Seeding the Success this month, We need your help though since Sony's PS3 is $399 plus tax and shipping and we have contributed only $100 of that. Once the goal of $399 plus shipping/tax is reached we will close this Instant Bounty and purchase/ship a PS3 to the address Rogue provides us. We expect this to be a fast and easy bounty so one of the lead OS 4.1 developers can have a PS3 in his possession quickly.

Rogue's PS3 Bounty (http://www.discreetfx.com/RoguePS3.html)


DiscreetFX has always strongly believed in OS 4.0/4.1 for the PS3 and has mentioned that to Hyperion many times. Hopefully this Bounty effort with your help can bring us one step closer to making it happen . The PS3 is already very Amiga like and even has one of the creators of the Amiga working on it (R J Mical). Sony's PS3 has millions of owners, many of which used to own an Amiga. Amiga OS 4.1 on PS3 would help expand and re-legitimize the Amiga brand, even if you own a SAM440, AmigaOne or mystery OS 4.1 box. More ways to run OS 4.1 will benefit users and developers. DiscreetFX believes in doing what it can to help make modern Amiga & Amiga like systems successful.

Best regards

- DiscreetFX Team
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: jj on September 25, 2008, 12:55:02 PM
Rougue has said there is no point as the PS3 is too crippled.  I belive he said something to this effect on amigaworld
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: jj on September 25, 2008, 01:02:50 PM
oh and wait for the buy him "whatever version of mac" instead brigade
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Klatch on September 25, 2008, 02:02:01 PM
PS3 was hacked recently. They have reverse engineered the Flash memory, maybe they can un-cripple it now.

PS3 Hacked (http://www.ps3scene.com/news/static/Playstation3FlashECCAlgorithmReversed-1222105885.php)
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: ZeBeeDee on September 25, 2008, 02:28:21 PM
Why the bounty??? Tell him to go buy his own PS3 ... he can afford it
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Hans_ on September 25, 2008, 02:29:16 PM
Could Hyperion really sell and officially support OS 4.x for a hacked PS3? I think that Sony's lawyers would shoot them down just on principle. If a hack is required, then it would have to be an unofficial port made by a third party that would allow an OS 4.x owner to run it on a PS3.

Hans
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: weirdami on September 25, 2008, 04:03:31 PM
@Hans_

I wonder how long it took for LightRave to become legitimate.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Pyromania on September 25, 2008, 05:46:29 PM
@weirdami

It forced NewTek to make an unbundled version of LightWave 3D in a few months.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: xeron on September 25, 2008, 07:04:45 PM
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Could Hyperion really sell and officially support OS 4.x for a hacked PS3?


In theory, they wouldn't have to. If they released an ISO that installs OS4 on the PS3, that used Sony's crippled OS support, "someone else" could release a freeware opensource Picasso96 driver that uses a hack to use the GPU (if one was found).
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: tonyyeb on September 25, 2008, 08:24:58 PM
Upto $360 so some people mus think this is going to help...  :roll:
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Glaucus on September 25, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
As a PS3 owner, I find this all very interesting. Not sure if everyone knows this or not, but the PS3 does allow for an "Other OS" and people have been installing linux on it for some time. Don't see why that "Other OS" can't be Amiga OS 4.1. However, the PS3 hypervisor is still running and I'm not sure that full access to the GPU is allowed (Sony probably doesn't want someone coming out with free Linux games to rival costly PS3 games).

At any rate, even with the hypervisor and crippled access to the GPU, I'd be interested in a PS3 port.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Crom00 on September 25, 2008, 10:39:47 PM
This is all good news. Yes, the PS3 has the OtherOS install. BUT, and this is a big BUT, it's a pain to setup Linux, especially the Unbutu version.

If Hyperiaon could devise a "painless" Os4 install bundled with cool games and a classic emulator,with good looking skins with media functionalities you could have a great alternative to the linux distros out there.

A win win situation. 100% legal. A home run.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Dr_Righteous on September 26, 2008, 02:42:03 AM
$570... I think the call has been answered, and support shown. And at nearly half the price of a SAM440ep with quite a bit more punch, why not indeed!
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: weirdami on September 26, 2008, 03:11:23 AM
@Pyromania

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It forced NewTek to make an unbundled version of LightWave 3D in a few months.


To counteract the LW piracy that it generated? Because, before then, a VT was required for LW to work at all. Oddly enough, though, LightRave was pirated itself. Then again, I don't know how much good that kind of software did anybody who was legitimate because for it to be useful (before the unbundling happened anyway) you'd have to pirate LW.

Was the unbundled version a version that didn't need a VT (to kill LightRave), or was it the same version, and so still required LightRave?
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: weirdami on September 26, 2008, 03:18:02 AM
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Upto $360 so some people mus think this is going to help..


Perhaps there should be a stipulation that some kind of porty work be done.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: mikrucio on September 26, 2008, 06:04:10 AM
simply awesome! good luck with coding!
and i hope you dont lose too many hours playing metal gear Solid 4!
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: tonyyeb on September 26, 2008, 11:30:54 AM
Upto $570 now. Enough to send him a PS3, GTA IV and GT5 Prologue! Lucky him!
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Glaucus on September 26, 2008, 08:16:04 PM
Okay, so they now have more then enough. Any update on this?
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Pyromania on September 26, 2008, 09:22:33 PM
@Glaucus

We have been in contact with Rogue. We are finding out the best place to buy him his PS3 online in Germany, maybe amazon.de. Also the bounty continues to get his brother a PS3 as well.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Kaminari on September 26, 2008, 09:38:39 PM
Cool. Can't wait for a quick port on the triple core 360.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Argo on September 27, 2008, 12:01:59 AM
Oh, great! Now they will both be using their spare time playing The Force Unleashed...

Well, I hope this will help them develope a CELL port for when there is a CELL based board available.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: motorollin on September 27, 2008, 01:10:27 PM
I think his mum wants a PS3 too.

--
moto
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: jj on September 27, 2008, 03:59:18 PM
@ moto

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: adonay on September 27, 2008, 07:23:17 PM
@moto

I was thinking the same ..  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Lemmink on September 27, 2008, 10:51:11 PM
I hope you are all aware that donating the PS3 to the Friedens will just be a nice gift for them to say thank you for the work done.

It will NOT help to port OS 4.x to the PS3 at all. It has been repeatedly said that Hyperion decided agains a PS3 port. Unless you donate something of the like of 50.000 EUR to the Hyperion management that won't change.

This is all so embarrassing forcing a "gift" on someone instead of seting up / supporting existing developments / bounties.  :-?
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: paolone on September 28, 2008, 03:35:07 PM
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It will NOT help to port OS 4.x to the PS3 at all. It has been repeatedly said that Hyperion decided agains a PS3 port. Unless you donate something of the like of 50.000 EUR to the Hyperion management that won't change.


Shouldn't these 50.000 eurs come from SELLING OS4 to PS3 owners?
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Lemmink on September 28, 2008, 04:08:59 PM
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Shouldn't these 50.000 eurs come from SELLING OS4 to PS3 owners?

Obviously the Hyperion managemtn decided that the sales that could be generated with such a version won't even cover the cost for porting half way. Or what is even more likely, the usability of such a port would it make hard to find any customers at all.

Even if the decision is based just on the fact that they do not like the black color of the case of the PS3 it is a management decision and such things usually do not change just like that.
Title: Re: Amiga Seeding the Success Campaign from DiscreetFX 4
Post by: Chain on October 01, 2008, 09:09:45 AM
:roll:

/quote
Shouldn't these 50.000 eurs come from SELLING OS4 to PS3 owners?
/quote

i think they always wants profits BEFORE work