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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => General Internet News => Topic started by: pixie on May 06, 2007, 09:04:48 PM
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Amiga Research Operating System to become AROS Research Operating System
According to Amiga-News (http://amiganews.de/en/news/archiv/Misc/), Aaron Digulla said the name "Amiga" would be deleted from the project name because of the legal steps of Amiga Inc. done against Hyperion.
"AROS - The AROS Research Operating System"
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Idiocracy is what this is.
Are all references to Amiga, Workbench, AmigaOS, etc. going to be dropped from aros.org?
Oh, when did the "R" stop meaning Research?
So, AROS is now and AROS replacement?
It'll still be the Amiga Research Operating System to me.
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The orginal R stood for "Replacement" and I seem to remember (so it's probably wrong) that AI had taken issue with "Replacement." Replacement, Research, Amiga, it's all just words to a title, what is important is the code and who owns it.
Dammy
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Are all references to Amiga, Workbench, AmigaOS, etc. going to be dropped from aros.org?
IIRC, Wayne has a written license to use the above on this site from AI. Wayne?
Dammy
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smart move i say. best to preempt any possible "legal issues" when it comes to anything remotely related to Amiga Inc.
So.....it's now called the AROS Replacement Operating System, because it's replacing the old AROS (which stood for Amiga Replacement Operationg System)
Aaaaand...to shorten its *NEW* totally legal name, we can STILL use the acronym (A)ROS (R)eplacement (O)perating (S)ystem - AROS. Which DOES NOT directly reference the word Amiga.
we all still know what the "A" in AROS _really_ means ;-)
lol, this is pure genius! :lol:
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I did a quick check the other day, and it doesn't seem as if Workbench is still an active trademark. In fact many of the trademarks seem to be in a bit of a mess.
It was a quick check so I may be wrong.
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Don't know if Wayne has licence to "Amiga". I just know shutting down the biggest community site would be the best way to piss off the community.
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clever move im pretty sure.
it always can be Another Replacement OS
message to A inc :-P
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I would put Jay Miner's name in there somewhere, as it's not Amiga that we owe our gratitude to, but Jay Miner, who like Bill Gates, never slept, but unlike Bill gates, used that time for PURE creativity as opposed to ripping off other people's ideas!
RIP.
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Writing Replacement instead of research was done out of unconsciousness, as Dammy said it, once the R on AROS stood for replacement
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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WHY???????
Is this at the request from anyone at AInc.?
I don't understand the reason(s) for this move at all. Who benefits from this? Who does it harm or influence?
:-?
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My memory is hazy, but did AROS have anything to do with (even being inspired by) the Amiga(D)OS [Replacement|Resource] Project (ARP)?
I seem to recall it was around a long time before, but didn't hear much more about it, apart from the commonly used arp.library before asl.library came along.
jaminJay
"Stupid is as stupid does." - Forrest Gump
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Smart move, IMO. Why flirt with litigation?
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Not sure. Though parts of AROS have been used in AmigaOS. So, it would look weird if they did sue now.
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Personally, I almost never think of the meaning behind the acronym AROS. To me, it's just a word, so I just keep saying AROS (and not A.R.O.S.).
Maybe you could also consider TOSFKAAROS? (The Operating System Formerly Known As Amiga Replacement/Research Operatin System) :lol:
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"AROS - The AROS Replacement Operating System"
It's not "Replacement", but "Research".
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Are all references to Amiga, Workbench, AmigaOS, etc. going to be dropped from aros.org?
Wherever it makes sense to do so, meaning wherever there might be an abuse of those terms, yes.
Oh, when did the "R" stop meaning Research?
It did not, there was a mistake on the part of the submitter of the news item.
It'll still be the Amiga Research Operating System to me.
So be it, as long as you don't get religious about it. It's just an OS, not even the best one at being one. ;-)
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ma, chi se ne frega?
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It did not, there was a mistake on the part of the submitter of the news item.
There was a mistake and it was already acknowledged by the submitter.
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There was a mistake and it was already acknowledged by the submitter.
Fixed..
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Think this was a smart move by the AROS team, no sense taking chances.
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amigadave wrote:
I don't understand the reason(s) for this move at all. Who benefits from this? Who does it harm or influence?
According to trademark law you may not use the trademark (registered or unregistered) of somebody else to promote your product without approval. Using the Amiga name in the name of the project may give the impression it is approved by Amiga but it's not; it's a project fully standing on it's own.
greets,
Staf.
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Well Amiga Inc had contacted AROS in the past and never defended it... and they have to, they might lost it otherwise...
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Amiga Inc. can't do anything against Amiga.org. We're a peaceful community desperately trying to date Latino girls in order to improve our Spanish language.
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"Are all references to Amiga, Workbench, AmigaOS, etc. going to be dropped from aros.org?"
Referring to these products, and actually using another company's trademark in the name of your product, are two different things.
This is a smart move given that everyone refers to it by the acronym anyway. AROS has its own brand awareness now.
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I don't understand the fuss. The !Amiga" name has been pretty meaningless for years now, and keeping it in AROS essentially indicates that AROS is just trying to be a compatible copy of a seriously outdated 1990's operating system.
Even if there were no legal implications, having a name independent of legacy connotations is a positive move for AROS anyway.
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Nooo! Don't you see what you have done? This recursive acronym will cause a temporal anomole and destroy the entire universe! What was once AROS now becomes AROSROSROSROSROSROSROS [... and so on until the destruction of the cosmos].
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moto
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According to U.S. trademark law, you have to defend your trademark or you lose it.
Since Amiga Inc has done nothing to defend its trademark in the past, it has effectively abandoned it.
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Since Amiga Inc has done nothing to defend its trademark in the past, it has effectively abandoned it.
Oh, but it has. Remember when Gary Peak when on a rampage about sites (like AO) required to have a (free) license for using any AI's IP? That will qualify nicely for defending their trademark. If you want to spend the cash on a team of lawyers attempting to remove AI's trademark(s), go for it.
Speaking of AI and Lawyers, latest chapter can be read here (http://www.merlancia.us/amiga-hyperion/amigadecmcewenshow_case_doc.pdf).
Glad AROS is steering clear of that mess.
Dammy
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Oh, but it has. Remember when Gary Peak when on a rampage about sites (like AO) required to have a (free) license for using any AI's IP? That will qualify nicely for defending their trademark.
A one time thing isn't good enough. Defending one's trademark has to be done continuously.
Not to mention the fact that they have, as far as I know, never taken any action with regards to AROS, even though they have had complete knowledge of it's existence since the beginning.
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A one time thing isn't good enough. Defending one's trademark has to be done continuously.
AFAIK, AI has been active in taking down sites and auctions down that infringed on their IP for awhile. So what actions AI has taken, we really don't know how often. I suspect it's enough for the courts, if it was ever challenged.
Not to mention the fact that they have, as far as I know, never taken any action with regards to AROS, even though they have had complete knowledge of it's existence since the beginning.
That is because they couldn't touch AROS. They made some "request" some time ago,which AROS complied with. The only remotely questionable use of anything AI related was AROS' name which now has been changed. AROS does not use AI's trademarks nor any AI's IP, including any code.
Dammy
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IIRC, Wayne has a written license to use the above on this site from AI.
I dunno about written, but I do remember something way back where someone at Amiga said Amiga wasn't going to go around making websites stop using the amiga name. I think it might have been McEwen on one of those UGN streaming audio chat things from an amiga show.
In any case, without looking deeper, and on first impression, removing "amiga" seemed like a retaliation rather than a protective measure. :-/