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Title: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: System on April 28, 2007, 02:31:15 AM
What follows is an e-mail received from Bill McEwen, CEO, Amiga Inc addressed to all Amiga dealers in regards to preparations for release of the newly announced Amiga computers.

While we don't normally print e-mails, this was sent via the Press mailing list, so one can only presume it was intended for public dissemination.


Hello Amiga Dealers:

As mentioned in the press release we are in the final stages with the design of new hardware and getting them into production.  Something that will be different than what happened with the AmigaOne is that we will be purchasing these new machines in the more than 1,000 units per order.  This will allow us to get better pricing and quality for all of you.  The specs for the sub 500.00 machines will be out on Monday and the more expensive machine the following week.  Production will begin soon and they will be ready this summer.  More details and final specs and timing will follow.

On another note, we have had a very strange request about sales that
occurred from 1996 through 2000 regarding Amiga computers.  Now I understand based on the documentation that we have here that the machines were purchased primarily from Petro at Amiga International.  

What I need to know is how many of you would still have copies of invoices or other documentation that shows you purchasing this hardware and any all possible advertisements or promotional materials that you may have received at this time.  We seem to have an issue with regard to the actual facts that machines were purchased during those years, and we are limited in the materials that we have here for those years.  If you have any information or documents that meet this criteria then please let me know as soon as possible.

Bill McEwen
Amiga, Inc.
bill@amiga.com
Tel: 425.557.9600 x23
Fax: 425.557.0090

Important: This electronic mail message may contain information or have one or more attachments containing information that is confidential, proprietary and/or legally privileged information. This message is intended only for the addressees clearly indicated as intended recipients and if you have received this message in error, if you are not the intended recipient (or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient), or if you aren't sure, you are hereby on notice that you have received this message in error and you may not review, use, download, store, disclose, disseminate, transmit, distribute, save or copy this message or any attachment. If you received this message in error, doing any of these things could be a
violation of Federal and State law and subject you to criminal and/or civil prosecution. If you have received this message in error, the only thing you are permitted to do is to notify the sender* immediately by reply to this message or by telephone if a number is provided and then immediately delete the original message, attachment(s) and any copies, including any copies made by you or any automated system for backup, recovery or any other purpose. Thank you for your compliance and your cooperation.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Opus on April 28, 2007, 03:16:11 AM
"This message is intended only for the addressees clearly indicated as intended recipients"  sounds questionable to me whether this should be public.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Plaz on April 28, 2007, 03:23:13 AM
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We seem to have an issue with regard to the actual facts that machines were purchased during those years, and we are limited in the materials that we have here for those years. If you have any information or documents that meet this criteria then please let me know as soon as possible



At the same time this part leads me to beleive they have little info about old distributorships and are hoping to reach as many parties as possible to recreate the database. If it was released through press channels, then I would think it's for public consumption.

BTW.... some body pinch me. I think the blue pill I took when I entered Amiga Land is wearing off a bit.

Plaz
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: tomazkid on April 28, 2007, 03:35:44 AM
Interesting indeed.  :-)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: HammerD on April 28, 2007, 03:38:57 AM
Anyone want to speculate on what the specs for these machines are?

Low end...
High end...

Basically the same as the PowerVixxen designs?



OS4 already smokes on a 750GX 800Mhz cpu...I can only imagine what it will be like on these beasts :)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: guru-666 on April 28, 2007, 03:48:00 AM
LOL...!
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: B00tDisk on April 28, 2007, 04:20:41 AM
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OS4 already smokes on a 750GX 800Mhz cpu


Given the "quality" of the original Amiga One branded Teron systems, that's probably not the OS that's causing the smoke.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: tomazkid on April 28, 2007, 04:26:51 AM
Quality or no quality, my A1XE is now over 4 years old, running 24/7 and still running. ;-)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: B00tDisk on April 28, 2007, 04:27:48 AM
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On another note, we have had a very strange request about sales that
occurred from 1996 through 2000 regarding Amiga computers.


There's something very, very fishy about that request.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: ottomobiehl on April 28, 2007, 04:41:29 AM
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The specs for the sub 500.00 machines will be out on Monday and the more expensive machine the following week. Production will begin soon and they will be ready this summer. More details and final specs and timing will follow.


Somehow, I hate getting all excited again and it be nothing.

Oh well, here is expecting the worst but hoping for the best. :inquisitive:
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Argo on April 28, 2007, 04:48:38 AM
This looks suspiciously like they are doing something. Something related to OS 4.0 and hardware. Bizzare.
Still we haven't seen the hardware yet. Much less the hardware running OS 4.0.
Well, Monday looks to be busy here with release of the low end specs. An we complain when we don't heard anything from them.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: CodeSmith on April 28, 2007, 05:10:45 AM
:-o

Is this real?
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: AmigaHeretic on April 28, 2007, 05:34:49 AM
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Is this real?


Well, at least the phone number is real.

I went through the phone tree and entered "6,2" for M and C  (first 2 letters of the last name of the person you want) and I got to hear Bill McEwen's voice.  :-D

No I didn't leave a message, but I might if I can think of something clever!  :idea:
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: CodeSmith on April 28, 2007, 05:41:30 AM
Wow.  Looks like someone finally hit him with a clue-by-four.  Next week should be interesting.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Gelb on April 28, 2007, 05:57:27 AM
"While we don't normally print e-mails, this was sent via the Press mailing list, so one can only presume it was intended for public dissemination."

It never occured to you that this may have been posted to some "press mailing list" by mistake while it could have been meant for the top secret "dealer mailing list" and obviously you haven't   dared to ask mcbill if that's the case...

First the public vote on 20 q's with mcbill nobody wanted and now this poor, sad and cheap stuff that is so obviously made up it's unbelievable (how stupid do you think the remaining Amiga Users are? :-))

If AInc just needs publicity or has to ask weirdo questions in public then why not just be so honest and do just this without the crazy back story nobody wants to know about.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: krashan on April 28, 2007, 06:16:48 AM
This strange request of invoices and advertising materials is caused by "city of Kent affair". As we all know Amiga Inc. signed an multimillion dollar agreement for naming of an Event Center (yet to be built) in Kent. Then it turned out that Kent officials have no knowledge about Amiga Inc. business history (read the story (http://www.topix.net/forum/city/kent-wa/T6TE3BB2QIOPAK8OT)). It seems that they decided to verify their business partner track records. Then Amiga Inc. is in a desperate need of proofs, that they are a reasonable and healthy copmany selling products and generating any profit.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: CodeSmith on April 28, 2007, 06:26:52 AM
Really?  if that's the case then the Kent city officials are literally looking a gift horse in the mouth.  Asking for ten year old financial records from a company that's offering to give you hundreds of thousands of $$$ doesn't sound too smart to me.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: krashan on April 28, 2007, 06:41:41 AM
@CodeSmith

It is not that Kent gets something for free. The Event Center is yet to be built and funds need to be secured for it. If you sign an agreement about sponsoring, you want to know, if you really get the money, because you may not be able to finish the building otherwise. Also note that this event center is in large part financed by the city of Kent and state government. Then having someone using debatable business practices as one of main sponsors may harm the whole thing.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: CodeSmith on April 28, 2007, 06:47:51 AM
@Krashan

I guess it could be that, although I would imagine all this would have been sorted out before the agreement was signed.  My theory is that they're trying to track down all those A1200s that got sold from under them at way below cost.  I remember Bill McEwen at some Amiga show saying something like "we know who you are and we're coming to get you", but nothing happened.  Maybe they didn't have proof back then, and now that they have the money they've decided to pursue the guilty parties?
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Manu on April 28, 2007, 07:20:16 AM
@Krashan

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I remember Bill McEwen at some Amiga show saying something like "we know who you are and we're coming to get you", but nothing happened. Maybe they didn't have proof back then, and now that they have the money they've decided to pursue the guilty parties?


WTF was that all about, I don't remember I heard about that, where can I read up on this.Is it on the Amiga History site ?
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Plaz on April 28, 2007, 07:24:33 AM
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There's something very, very fishy about that request.


Krashan's assesment seems very insightful.

Another less likely possibility... an investor wanting to see some sales numbers before chipping in for the manufacturing of a large quantity of boards? No need buying 25,000 system if they're going to sit on a shelf. I'm not sure how 10 year old sales data would be alot of help today though.

Plaz
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Plaz on April 28, 2007, 07:32:45 AM
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without the crazy back story nobody wants to know about.


That would suck all the entertainment value right out of it for me.  :-)

Plaz
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: hooligan on April 28, 2007, 07:39:38 AM
Thats pretty funny. Going after Petro who was the only one actually managed to do something for Amiga.  What Bill should do is stick his head back to his arse and continue as these past weeks never happened :-)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: CodeSmith on April 28, 2007, 07:53:21 AM
@Manu

Ah, found it.  It was in Amiwest 2002, the transcript is here (post #65) http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1061210784&category=forum&start=51

"We have a situation creating an Amiga museum, with a lot of hardware that was ours that we owned that was in Germany. We went to go get it. The warehouse was empty. Pallets and pallets of our product had been stolen. Now, we know who has it, we're not gonna... that's... we're not here to point fingers or names or let people know, we even know where it is."
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: CodeSmith on April 28, 2007, 08:16:34 AM
@hooligan

I don't see anyone accusing Petro.  But the people who were doing business with Petro would be the best place to start looking, since they would have been the biggest Amiga dealers of the day and so the best place to find a "fence".
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: hooligan on April 28, 2007, 08:21:24 AM
@Codesmith

To me it feels like they are trying to dig what was going on back then, Petros activies. Wouldnt it be great if the conners got conned :-)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: ikir on April 28, 2007, 08:25:43 AM
@B00tDisk

My A1 is the fastest and more stable Amiga i ever had.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: CodeSmith on April 28, 2007, 08:39:22 AM
@hooligan

Ahh, whatever.  I'm too old for this daytime drama sh*t. All I care about is what gets announced on Monday :-)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Fransexy_ on April 28, 2007, 08:43:34 AM
According to the mail itself, it´s secret information and posting it here are illegal (unless you got permission from Amiga inc later)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: AF on April 28, 2007, 09:26:01 AM
If it has been sent to the press then it is inevitable that the details would be posted.  It doesn't do Amiga Inc any harm, the rather neglected group of Amiga dealers should now be aware that hardware could be coming from Amiga Inc (or their partners).  Clearly, dealers not on their mailing list should contact Amiga Inc.

AF
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: ironfist on April 28, 2007, 09:53:21 AM
Fransexy:
It's never illegal to post anything like this unless you are
forced to keep your mouth shut due to law. In other words;
doctors, shrinks, priests, etc..

If you sign an NDA with some company it's not illegal to
break it. It's just a violation of contract and if it would
ever go to court it's just a civil case.

Somehow, I doubt Wayne has signed an NDA with Amiga Inc..
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: XDelusion on April 28, 2007, 09:53:37 AM
That last paragraph sound like the words of a true, greedy, megalomaniac.

Anyhow...

...Monday, they say, this summer they say?

 Exciting! Lets see if it happens, and if it's worth is, and if it's really only $500.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Lemmink on April 28, 2007, 10:08:13 AM
Either they want to find out how many A1200 are still out there to see if it is worthwhile to produce a Powervixxen addon (assuming that they realy plan to do anything) or the friendly tax officer came over for tee and wanted to have a look at the books.

But wait, after all this selling of the campany and changing names they claim to have nothing to do with the "old" Amiga Inc. So why do they care about sales of this "totally different" company they have nothing to do with......
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: JoannaK on April 28, 2007, 10:25:09 AM
IMHO this smells quite a fishy... And it's not even a fresh one.

And yeah.. one specific comment, considering the
Quote
better pricing and quality
. I do hope that *if* they ever get any more hardware done (or made with some associates) they had learned even a bit and would test the goods before selling them.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Kronos on April 28, 2007, 11:36:23 AM
@Lemmink

... and in this case it would actually be a different company  (GateWay-Amiga that is).
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: AJCopland on April 28, 2007, 11:40:11 AM
Woohoo!! Come on Monday! I guess that'll be 8 hours behind us Brits so if anything gets announced it'll be late in the day for us but whats a few more hours waiting to find something out? :-D

Not gonna comment on whether or not it happens of course :crazy:

Andy
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: bloodline on April 28, 2007, 12:31:38 PM
1000 units per order... So one order should just about cover the market then...

Hmmm... if the 100%, 100% mark up applies here (as it does in most other markets). The dealers will be expected to pay at least half the MSP (RRP...)... so each dealer is going to have to pay $250000? I just don't see that happening...
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: cgutjahr on April 28, 2007, 12:42:56 PM
@Plaz:

Quote

Krashan's assesment seems very insightful.

Here's another theory:

They recently (re)registered the Amiga Trademarks in various places, using an old Commodore modem (!) to prove that they're actually distributing products using the "Amiga" marks.

Perhaps somebody is questioning that they're entitled to own these trademarks.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Ferry on April 28, 2007, 01:16:24 PM
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Quality or no quality, my A1XE is now over 4 years old, running 24/7 and still running. ;-)


Mine is over 3 years now, and, as yours, running 24/7 without a glitch.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Vincent on April 28, 2007, 01:53:06 PM
Isn't this 27 days too late? :-P
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: number6 on April 28, 2007, 02:41:09 PM
@CodeSmith

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Ah, found it. It was in Amiwest 2002, the transcript is here (post #65) http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1061210784&category=forum&start=51
"We have a situation creating an Amiga museum, with a lot of hardware that was ours that we owned that was in Germany. We went to go get it. The warehouse was empty. Pallets and pallets of our product had been stolen. Now, we know who has it, we're not gonna... that's... we're not here to point fingers or names or let people know, we even know where it is."


Follow up in the comments in Bill's personal notes following the 25 answers on amiga.org on 2006/9/13 19:18:45:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46682

Quote
Amiga set forth in 2000 with plans of forever changing computing and the landscape by creating a series of products that would guide us through the launch and creation of a new operating system that we could all be proud of. A portion of the Amiga operational budget came from the sale of the existing Amiga hardware and operations and we expected those revenues to help us stretch the initial funding so that we had time to properly get to the second round of funding for Amiga which was always planned. Think of my surprise when I learned that all of our inventory was sold for $75,000.00 to a company in India, when we were generating more than that on a monthly basis. This created a big operational hole for the company and caused us great harm in our ability to move forward. This hardware was not even put up for bid or auction, and nobody was consulted in the process.


#6
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: GGS on April 28, 2007, 04:22:30 PM
Hi number6,
Quote

Think of my surprise when I learned that all of our inventory was sold for $75,000.00 to a company in India, when we were generating more than that on a monthly basis. This created a big operational hole for the company and caused us great harm in our ability to move forward.

Sorry for me asking, but can You perhaps explain the quoted content in a little easier to understand wording ? I don't think my english is good enough to fully understand.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Kaminari on April 28, 2007, 04:46:21 PM
At last! Couldn't wait any longer for the new season of Amiga Lost. Gonna be an exciting one!
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: number6 on April 28, 2007, 04:46:29 PM
@GGS

Hi.

Quote
Sorry for me asking, but can You perhaps explain the quoted content in a little easier to understand wording ? I don't think my english is good enough to fully understand.


I can not. It is Bill's quote and only he can explain it further.
I only included it to show the tie to what @CodeSmith was talking about in his link.

#6
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: redfox on April 28, 2007, 04:47:09 PM
:shrug:
For now, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.
:popcorn:

---
redfox
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Kronos on April 28, 2007, 05:02:25 PM
@GGS

Basicly he wants us to believe that selling NOS-A1200 generated more than 75.000 per month (hmm how much would the dealer-price for a Magic-A1200 be ? And how many has one to sell to reach such numbers ?), and that someone (clearly hinting at Petro) sold the whole lot for 75000.

Not a very plausible story ....
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: GGS on April 28, 2007, 05:14:21 PM
number6,

Okidok ! No problem.

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On another note, we have had a very strange request about sales that occurred from 1996 through 2000 regarding Amiga computers. Now I understand based on the documentation that we have here that the machines were purchased primarily from Petro at Amiga International.

What I need to know is how many of you would still have copies of invoices or other documentation that shows you purchasing this hardware and any all possible advertisements or promotional materials that you may have received at this time. We seem to have an issue with regard to the actual facts that machines were purchased during those years, and we are limited in the materials that we have here for those years. If you have any information or documents that meet this criteria then please let me know as soon as possible.


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"We have a situation creating an Amiga museum, with a lot of hardware that was ours that we owned that was in Germany. We went to go get it. The warehouse was empty. Pallets and pallets of our product had been stolen. Now, we know who has it, we're not gonna... that's... we're not here to point fingers or names or let people know, we even know where it is."


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Think of my surprise when I learned that all of our inventory was sold for $75,000.00 to a company in India, when we were generating more than that on a monthly basis.


If all of the inventory was stolen there was perhaps no invoice created ?
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: CodeSmith on April 28, 2007, 05:23:22 PM
The thing is, what are you going to do with a few hundred A1200s other than sell them?  Seeing all those old invoices will give them a good idea of who all the dealers were at the time, and maybe figure out who ended up buying the stolen ones (if company X only bought 10 A1200s from Petro and Amiga Inc have discovered they sold 100 to the public, where did the other 90 come from?)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Doobrey on April 28, 2007, 06:13:05 PM
@cgutjahr
Quote
Here's another theory:

They recently (re)registered the Amiga Trademarks in various places, using an old Commodore modem (!) to prove that they're actually distributing products using the "Amiga" marks.

Perhaps somebody is questioning that they're entitled to own these trademarks.


That could well be part of it.
Why else would they be asking dealers for "possible advertisements or promotional materials ", and proof that machines were sold during that era if it wasn't for asserting ownership of a trademark ?
 It'd also explain why Amiga Inc have suddenly made themselves look  active over the last few weeks with the 'please ask me 20 questions' and the 'pre-announcement of a forthcoming announcement'
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: GGS on April 28, 2007, 06:18:05 PM
CodeSmith,

Sounds as very complicated.

If all of the inventory was sold to a company in India there was perhaps an invoice created ?
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: B00tDisk on April 28, 2007, 06:28:19 PM
Quote

My A1 is the fastest and more stable Amiga i ever had.


Yeah?

How's the DMA?  How about USB?  Onboard sound?  Underclocking your CPU?
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Troels_E on April 28, 2007, 06:40:18 PM
Petro got hand of atleast ALL of the museum computers and they where  showcased somewhere in Europe by Genesi at some point, this is years back and I don't remember much about the other warehouse stock.

Clearly Amiga wants to know what actually happened to this stock and sue whoever stole it. I think Petro might be in trouble!

Have to check my email and ANN
(if thats still up?) to find the dates.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: GGS on April 28, 2007, 07:14:14 PM
Kronos,

Let's see if we can get this straight ?

They thought they bought a warehouse filled up with goods.

When they later on went to the warehouse they found it to be empty. They then heard all of the inventory either was stolen or was sold to a company in India.

In despite of which they do not have any invoices.

That must be germans to deal with... :-o
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Kronos on April 28, 2007, 07:27:01 PM
@GGS

You made one fatal error:

Trying to make any sense out of a McBill-statement ....
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Fud on April 28, 2007, 07:40:09 PM
Real pleased w/the newly redesigned Amiga Inc. website as it was a pain even w/broadband to load last time I tried.
Under "News" it mentions the new computers from ACK Software Controls, Inc.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Fud on April 28, 2007, 07:40:57 PM
Real pleased w/the newly redesigned Amiga Inc. website as it was a pain even w/broadband to load last time I tried.
Under "News" it mentions the new computers from ACK Software Controls, Inc.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: GGS on April 28, 2007, 08:45:40 PM
Kronos,

Well, I consider this news-item to be some kind of joke from Wayne.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: alx on April 28, 2007, 09:54:16 PM
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Well, I consider this news-item to be some kind of joke from Wayne.


Adam from ACK has posted on the thread over at AW.net and hasn't claimed it's untrue (besides, the real surprise was the earlier announcement of these systems - this email just follows on logically from that).  I certainly cannot imagine Wayne adding something like this as a joke - if it is a joke, it'd be Amiga Inc having us on...
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: TheMagicM on April 28, 2007, 10:07:10 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Markus_Bieler on April 28, 2007, 10:26:01 PM
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Clearly Amiga wants to know what actually happened to this stock and sue whoever stole it. I think Petro might be in trouble!


If the stock was really stolen, then why A-Inc didn't asked for the goods the time they realized the "crime"? I don't think they are after this stock. (It would be at least six years too late :-D )

A-Inc just needs some proves, that they made some money the last years with the brand AMIGA

They just forgot to save some documents before shuting down the German "Amiga International"

I think that they need more proves that they own the rights on OS3.1 and therefore also on OS 3.5/OS3.9 as these are based on kickstart 3.1

But without Bill telling us why he needs these documents we are only speculating about the reasons.

Markus
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: number6 on April 28, 2007, 10:39:46 PM
@Opus

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"This message is intended only for the addressees clearly indicated as intended recipients" sounds questionable to me whether this should be public.


#41
Here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=23015&forum=33&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0)

Jeffshepherd
Quote
Its not a hoax and it was meant to be confidential. How do I know? I emailed Bill McEwan.


#6
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: a-pex on April 28, 2007, 10:44:40 PM
I hope noone in the community will make the mistake to help this company! I do not know what they are planning, but it is not good...

PLEASE DO NOT HELP!!!
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: a-pex on April 28, 2007, 10:47:31 PM
If they need proofs for their IPs, they should go to hell and ask the devil, but not us. :-D
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: KimmoK on April 28, 2007, 11:19:49 PM
@Plaz

"blue pill"

Uh oh, the wrong one!
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: weirdami on April 29, 2007, 12:43:40 AM
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At the same time this part leads me to beleive they have little info about old distributorships and are hoping to reach as many parties as possible to recreate the database.


What it looks like to me is there is a question as to whether or not Petro really sold all those Amiga's or a question as to how much money he recieved versus reported. Stuff definately not recounted in Petro's book, I imagine.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: odin on April 29, 2007, 12:58:16 AM
Ah the book, another pipedream of vapour =).
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: kgrach on April 29, 2007, 01:58:59 AM
@bootdisk

DMA and USB work just fine on the A1XE with the $35 mod that is. Onboard sound works too has since software update three.  As for underclocking the CPU why would anybody want to do that?.
plus it runs and operates like an amiga not some other OS running UAE with WB3.1

kgrach
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Plaz on April 29, 2007, 02:44:02 AM
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Poster: KimmoK  Posted: 2007/4/28 18:19:49

@Plaz

"blue pill"

Uh oh, the wrong one!


Dang, you're right. That must be the problem.
I got my prescription OS medication crossed up :)
Next they'll be telling me Solent Green is good... ahhhhhh

Plaz
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Plaz on April 29, 2007, 02:52:56 AM
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What it looks like to me is there is a question as to whether or not Petro really sold all those Amiga's or a


So what could be gained by dredging up such an old debt, unless there is some one worth sueing. I'd doubt Petro would be the target. Mater of fact, why not just ask him?

Plaz
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: weirdami on April 29, 2007, 03:07:11 AM
@Plaz

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So what could be gained by dredging up such an old debt, unless there is some one worth sueing.


Amiga Inc. probably has investors (or tax guys?) wondering what's up with some anomaly in the books. But, if there is a chance to get back something that was stolen, every corporation in the universe would jump at the chance because the bottom line is king.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: B00tDisk on April 29, 2007, 04:48:50 AM
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DMA and USB work just fine on the A1XE with the $35 mod that is. Onboard sound works too has since software update three. As for underclocking the CPU why would anybody want to do that?.
plus it runs and operates like an amiga not some other OS running UAE with WB3.1

Oh yawn...please go defend it to somebody else.  So you blew basically a thousand bucks for flaky hardware, had to turn around *immediately* to get it fixed, wait for...what, the third service pack before the onboard sound worked?

And yeah, underclocked CPUs.  Those who know what I"m talking about know what the deal is.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Methuselas on April 29, 2007, 09:06:57 AM
This is a joke, right??  :-o
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: takemehomegrandma on April 29, 2007, 09:30:37 AM
@Manu

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@Krashan

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I remember Bill McEwen at some Amiga show saying something like "we know who you are and we're coming to get you", but nothing happened. Maybe they didn't have proof back then, and now that they have the money they've decided to pursue the guilty parties?


WTF was that all about


IMHO there is no "guilt" to pursue here. And maybe McEwen should acknowledge the powers of courts and judges by honoring the court rulings against himself, before trying to use the same legal system he disrespect for a long shot (for it is a long shot) for a thing that happened 10 years ago?

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I don't remember I heard about that, where can I read up on this.Is it on the Amiga History site ?


Try: ann.lu (http://www.ann.lu) :-)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: takemehomegrandma on April 29, 2007, 09:43:41 AM
@ weirdami

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Amiga Inc. probably has investors (or tax guys?) wondering what's up with some anomaly in the books.


Nonsense, try "personal vendetta" if you want a reason.

Besides, you probably won't have to go as far as 10 years back in Amiga Inc's accounting books to see fishy things. :-P Question is *whether it would be possible* to go more than a few years back in "Amiga Inc"'s accounting, since the books probably got carefully buried (several times) along with amino/amiga/itech/kmos/whatever during the corporate shell-games they have been playing for years! :-P

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But, if there is a chance to get back something that was stolen, every corporation in the universe would jump at the chance because the bottom line is king.


Nothing was stolen, that's McEwens words only, and please don't use the words of a liar and a thief to suggest a truth.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: takemehomegrandma on April 29, 2007, 09:45:18 AM
@Fransexy

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According to the mail itself, it´s secret information and posting it here are illegal (unless you got permission from Amiga inc later)


Sorry, but that's nonsense. It may have been unethical at best...
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Ratte on April 29, 2007, 10:00:58 AM
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That could well be part of it.
Why else would they be asking dealers for "possible advertisements or promotional materials ", and proof that machines were sold during that era if it wasn't for asserting ownership of a trademark ?
It'd also explain why Amiga Inc have suddenly made themselves look active over the last few weeks with the 'please ask me 20 questions' and the 'pre-announcement of a forthcoming announcement'


Bill had the chance to produce new hard-and software sales by himself.
There are people looking for new ROMs and they are willing to buy them.
But it seems to be, that Bill missed this chance.
 :lol:
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Ratte on April 29, 2007, 10:42:49 AM
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Ah, found it. It was in Amiwest 2002, the transcript is here (post #65) http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1061210784&category=forum&start=51

"We have a situation creating an Amiga museum, with a lot of hardware that was ours that we owned that was in Germany. We went to go get it. The warehouse was empty. Pallets and pallets of our product had been stolen. Now, we know who has it, we're not gonna... that's... we're not here to point fingers or names or let people know, we even know where it is."


logisticcenter braunschweig in trouble (http://crn.de/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=184423456) (sorry, its in german)
at the same time a german distributer "lost" 40.000 hp-printer in the same warehouse.
i think the thievs took a palette amigas by a mistake ...
 :crazy:
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: koaftder on April 29, 2007, 11:14:29 AM
This email is meaningless.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Donar on April 29, 2007, 11:48:41 AM
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Think of my surprise when I learned that all of our inventory was sold for $75,000.00 to a company in India, when we were generating more than that on a monthly basis.

[conspiracy theory on]
What was the name of the company in india that bought all AMIGA stock? Maybe Ruksun, now known as AMIGA Development India? We know the game... :lol:
[conspiracy theory off]
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Donar on April 29, 2007, 11:52:45 AM
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...at the same time a german distributer "lost" 40.000 hp-printer in the same warehouse.
i think the thievs took a palette amigas by a mistake ....


And i think they took the HP Printers as a cover up for stealing the last made AMIGA's  :lol:
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Tripitaka on April 29, 2007, 12:39:57 PM
LOL! The koaftder tells it how it is!
It's only words 'till the silicon is in our hands.
I just hope it works out this time. :roll:
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: adonay on April 29, 2007, 03:25:29 PM
Why is everyone so damn interested in how their management works company politics etc ... its all a bunch off assumption .. no one here knows and why do we care to guess ? Why do we care for what this company has done in the past ? Or may be doing now? if we don't like it just don't care about it or involve your self in it ... People always like too complain and {bleep} about things but never seems to be part of any negativity at all .. Me i just sit here and watch the show.. If there will be new hardware etc good but if there wont there wont ..I will accept that nothing i can do about it .. No need too complain or assume ... My opinion though.. Just every time i see xx number of people complain and but why do you all care .. OK you may want AMIGA to overtake the PC and windows and such in the computer world .. it will never be so .. just accept it and enjoy whatever you may have or get if anything...
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: a-pex on April 29, 2007, 07:12:13 PM
I think maybe AMIGA has to show some kinds of proofs  that they used the brand AMIGA in the hardware section? Maybe another company is trying to get the name or so... maybe. ;-)

The suddenly activity on the side of Amiga Inc. in the amiga market looks strange for me. :-)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: weirdami on April 29, 2007, 07:40:25 PM
@koaftfer

that's what you say about all emails.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: bloodmoney on April 30, 2007, 10:11:16 AM
Amiga time.
5:12 a.m an ticking.
 :-D
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: bloodmoney on April 30, 2007, 10:13:18 AM
Come-Monday (http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Jimmy-Buffett/Come-Monday.html)
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Agafaster on April 30, 2007, 11:21:45 AM
damn! knew I shoulda logged in over the weekend !
but the weather was too nice, we had a barbie, and well, one led to another, and I was too p!ssed to operate a computer !
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: Starrunner on April 30, 2007, 08:25:55 PM
On the subject of this announcement, I am curious indeed.  Having heard or heard of the crap spewed forth by Amiga Inc., and been honoured by a replay from Bill McEwen once when I asked a direct question, I am very curious indeed about this.  The asking for records is very curious indeed.  Not something I have ever heard of in my silly travels.

Maybe this is all a grand hoax?  Either way I can't wait for Monday now.

Somebody in one of the myraid of comments said it best:  Hope for the best...but be prepared for the worst.
Title: Re: Amiga Inc note to dealers
Post by: DanDude on May 01, 2007, 04:13:01 PM
Finally some news to think about!   :-)