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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: B00tDisk on April 23, 2007, 01:54:14 PM
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After months of designs and negotiations Amiga, Inc. and ACK Software Controls, Inc. are pleased to announce that new hardware is on its way for Amiga users.
http://amiga.com/news/?art=26
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"Good news, everyone!"
I'll take those 20 answers now...
jaminJay
"Anyone fancy a trip to Ebola 9?"
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Well i dunno,not gonna build my hopes up with this but if something does get released i`ll defo buy one..When the amigaone came around i had just finished buying all the extras for my 1200 after getting back in to the amiga.
so i was a bit confused and at that time after all the things i had just bought for my 1200 i was not interested in buying the A1 esp the price..
But yeah anyways this is good news if anything comes of it...
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I wonder what the product is and what OS will it run :-?
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I hope the next announcement has spec for these two products.
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I dont care much for specs i know it will be low end i only care for OS4 support and when i can buy it next announcement please ??? .. If i can at all...
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What the hell? Amiga Inc doing something actually relevant for Amiga users? This is unprecedented.
Now let's see what actually develops in the coming week. We're still waiting on similar details from ACube....
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Yay! I honestly didn't expect anything to come to fruition. Hopefully it won't fall through!
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Matt_H: We don't know yet if it's relevant ;)
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Hopefully it won't fall through!
Prediction: It will. ;-)
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Would it be that ACK is chosen because it has a access to A OS4 sources, isn't it that Amica inc vs. Hyperion is about that?
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@redrumloa
The news item says "Amiga Operating System", which is what AmigaOS is short for.
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Is that AOS 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, ??? :-)
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Congratulations Adam. Hope to hear more details soon.
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redfox
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The news item says "Amiga Operating System", which is what AmigaOS is short for.
Yes, but it doesn't say which version. OS3.1? OS4.0? OS5.0? OS1.0?
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Uhh I look forward to spending money on an outdated PPC machine!
PPC is history, I already have a PPC amiga.....
anyway this is so 1999.
check out
http://www.ubuntu.com/
Now thats a real OS... very frendy just like the old amiga OS and so much more software than OS4!
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I wonder what the product is and what OS will it run
Screw the OS. OS's are outdated concepts these days and what nobody who falls for the whole "AMEEGA WILL ARISE AND OWN THE WORLD!!11oneone" shtick (I think there's like...six people still left who think that way...) seems to grasp is that the quickest booting, "most responsive feeling" (seriously, WTF is that? That's like saying "extra medium rare") most compact OS in the world is useless without a baseline of decent programs to run on it.
Ibrowse is about six years out of date as browsers go. There's no office suite, and all the little widgets and toys that most people can get for free on other platforms are "wait a while then pay" on the Amiga.
Let's not even address the issue of games.
Running DeluxePaint, Imagine and a smashing good build of Quake-1 and Freeciv ain't gonna get you off of the honorable mentions page at /.
Hobby computer? You betcha. I keep hoping one day I'll stumble across an A2000 with some stuff in it or an A500 with GVP HD+Accel+PC emulator board or something cool like that - but as a toy.
Unless Amiga, Inc. has strategically partnered with some developers, and I mean real developers, not bedroom coders, they can forget it.
(But then you yourself already know this. :-) )
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I hope this is for real because I've got money to spend. I've got tons of classic Amiga stuff and I'm ready for some modern Amiga stuff.
Come one Amiga Inc and ACK!
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Uhh I look forward to spending money on an outdated PPC machine!
PPC is history, I already have a PPC amiga.....
anyway this is so 1999.
But x86 is modern right, even though it was one of the first architectures to be developed? The ppc is actually a rather new architecture and quite a few modern stuff use it, including the wii and the xbox 360. I do however believe that it is a whole lot more expensive and less available than lets say x86.
How is Ubuntu like AmigaOS? I am running it on my x86 pc, but i find it nothing like AmigaOS at all.
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OK Starke, you can come out and put your money where your mouth was now :-D
Starke ? Starke ?? :-?
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@thomas
You are right, ubuntu it is so much better than amigaOS ever was or will be. Good point.
And YES you are right about PPC also. intel is better just becasue it faster and cheaper. Maybe Amiga Inc will take a loss on each unit just like Sony... that WOULD make me happy!
BTW no xbox360...I don't care for it. Quite a but slower than the "CELL" the ps3 has. I don't have one of them either... No need to spend money on toys, have plenty clasisc amigas!
I agree the concept of a new amiga is misguided.. a time that has come and gone. The face of computing has changed and Amiga Inc will not be part of it. That being said I will still be using my a4kt with great pleasure and won't be donating any cash for mister Bill McEwen for some thing that should have been released in 1999.
cheers!
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BTW no xbox360...I don't care for it. Quite a but slower than what the ps3 has. I don't have one of them either... No need to spend money on toys, have plenty clasisc amigas!
Funny you say that, as it came out one year earlier and yet most of the games that exist for both platforms runs actually better on the xbox 360. The ps3 sounds all good theoretically, but so far it has not lived up to the hype in real life perfomance.
You are right, ubuntu it is so much better than amigaOS ever was or will be. Good point. \
It is probably better all over, but that is not so odd considering that AmigaOS has not been developed for years until OS4 and thus it lags behind with some features like memory protection, multiuser and similar. It still does has quite a few advantages over a linux distro like ubuntu though. It is much more responsive, needs much less resources, boots very fast, datatypes and it makes actually more sense with a drawer for drivers, folder for monitors, printers and so on.
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Meh. I tried Ubuntu. It still seemed a lot like linux to me and i hated it. I'd rather use Windows...
(and yes, I know Ubuntu is a linux distribution, i was hoping Ubuntu would hide the unixyness).
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@Thomas
Yeah sure xbox looks good today.. give the ps3 some time, next year you will see the difference.
Being in the 3d industy I happen to see quite a bit of stuff being developed and the ps3 is looking much stronger. I the end I don't care who wins, but I KNOW the ps3 is stronger.
OS4 is a nice "pet" project but simply can't compeat with a proper OS. More "responsive" to do what? There are options other than linux for embeded system, for example QNX... amigaOS is full of issues, not to meantion that you have to deal with amiga inc to use it! :-P
@xeron
Enjoy your "windows".... As spidy said "with great power come great responsobility" Not everybody can handel that!
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Uhm... So what happened to that appealing $300 PowerVixxen board which was announced by ACK about a year ago? It had an excellent power/money ratio...
It is abandoned?
It is the same board but go a $200 bump? Could a.inc be responsible for this bump?
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Vapourware.
Expect to see "new Amiga hardware" running on the first Battlestar commissioned by the US Air Force in 2085.
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Funny you say that, as it came out one year earlier and yet most of the games that exist for both platforms runs actually better on the xbox 360. The ps3 sounds all good theoretically, but so far it has not lived up to the hype in real life perfomance.
Perhaps it's the AmigaVs Atari ST sequel... ;-)
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For years everyone {bleep}es (and rightfully so) about the lack of relevant development for the platform, now that something finally concrete is announced, everyone still {bleep}es. This whole deal might even flop, but it is something never-the-less.
C Snyder
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@billchase
well you know when I was little boy I wanted a fire truck...now I don't so much anymore.
So if you parents gave you everything you ask for (as a kid) at age 40 I don't think you would be *as* thrilled as you would have been when you where 13....you MIGHT even be frustrated with them.
(in the computer world missing your dealine by 8 years is about 27 human years:-) )
back in 1999 I wanted to upgrade my amiga and keep doing animation with it...today I'm honestly happy to have moved on as new better alternatives have come up. A new amiga is no longer on my wish list. Even in 1999 I already had been using SGI and windows to get big jobs done but still thought the amiga could catch up... In 2007 how that pitifull crew will manage to catch up with where multi-media and animation (let alone OS design!) is today should be quite entertaining.
Does Amiga-Inc even own the OS? Or do they just assume as long as we ask them 20 question every so often they own it all?
I understand there are lots of people on this site that are obsesed with the amiga platform making some kind of massive comeback and a fraction of those people will buy ANY new amiga product...but if you look at history and the current market, it's well a joke.
As for this whole thing, let's wait and see if anything even happens...but Bill blew the timeframe. The last thing the computing world needs today is a new amiga... sorry, painfull to watch this unfold.
:huh: :horse: :popcorn:
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Except it doesn't say what the hardware is supposed to do.
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I wonder why there is a picture of a camera up above. If Amiga became Media centric again, that would be wonderful!
I'd love to have video capturing software, as well as video editing and sequencing software for my Amiga OS!
I'd love to have an Amiga so I could run that OS! This will be amazing if Amiga is actually supporting the community for a change!
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Another promise... we already heard tons of these. I remember i bought a500 because it was the best machine (for me) at that time. And i felt that i bought the future not something old machine.
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Poster: AmigaMance Posted: 2007/4/24 1:15:01
Uhm... So what happened to that appealing $300 PowerVixxen board which was announced by ACK about a year ago? It had an excellent power/money ratio...
It is abandoned?
It is the same board but go a $200 bump? Could a.inc be responsible for this bump?
Looks like that older A1200-turbo.board project has been abandoned. See Jens comment of his 'business' experience of ACK on Aw.net
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3721&start=120#49906
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@guru-666
Enjoy your "windows".... As spidy said "with great power come great responsobility" Not everybody can handel that!
Thanks for the insult. I don't dislike the unix way of doing things because I "can't handle the power", I dislike it because its inconsistent, has a needlessly steep learning curve, and still relies on design decisions that made sense when you were using a teletype but are utterly stupid in this day and age. Yes, Ubuntu provides a "nicer" front end than most linux distributions, but I still had to go in and edit cryptic text files in crypticly named directories to get all the hardware of my laptop working. Is that really better?
I used to install and upgrade computer systems and networks for businesses, and had to deal with Unix systems as part of my job, so don't tell me I "can't handle it", I just think the unix way of doing things isn't necessarily the best way of doing things, especially for home computing.
I'm not claiming AmigaOS is ready to take on Linux or Windows, btw. I love it and use it daily, but it needs some serious development work to bring it up to date. That said, if I had an OS4 laptop, i'd happily ditch XP for good and just use it again, since it does do enough for my home computing needs.
BTW, if you want to see a UNIX system that successfully hides all the UNIX badness, forget Ubuntu and buy a Mac. Apple have done a great job with OS X.
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It is the same board but go a $200 bump? Could a.inc be responsible for this bump?
Read the press release. The low end system is not just a motherboard:
The first is a consumer entry design that will offer a complete product with a target price point of $500.00
I might be wrong, but I take that to mean a box that you just need a monitor, and perhaps mouse & kb, and off you go.
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Yes, but it doesn't say which version. OS3.1? OS4.0? OS5.0? OS1.0?
1.3 Obviously!
Orange and blue ftw!
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The first is a consumer entry design that will offer a complete product with a target price point of $500.00
hmmm
I might be wrong, but I take that to mean a box that you just need a monitor, and perhaps mouse & kb, and off you go.
I will speculate with you on this one it sounds more like they have completed some hardware hence complete product or else i think it would say something in the lines of complete desktop system or such..
but i may be wrong too i just find it a little too unliktely that you only need to plugg and play ...
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New expression for you all:-
"Deja Moo!" - The feeling you've seen/heard all this Bulls**t before!
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Read the press release. The low end system is not just a motherboard:
Quote:
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The first is a consumer entry design that will offer a complete product with a target price point of $500.00
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I might be wrong, but I take that to mean a box that you just need a monitor, and perhaps mouse & kb, and off you go.
This is an Amiga inc press release don't forget, god only knows what you will get, if you ever get anything :crazy:
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Poster: xeron
BTW, if you want to see a UNIX system that successfully hides all the UNIX badness, forget Ubuntu and buy a Mac. Apple have done a great job with OS X.
I've used OS X for a while and it was nice, although a bit clunky. I've just installed Ubuntu 7 on my PC (previous versions borked on my SATA controller) and it looks like it's going to be my main OS from now. I must say installation and first usage has been very smooth. OS X has the huge advantage of only having to support the hardware Apple churns out, whereas Ubuntu (and Windows) must support a gazillion different hardware combinations. If the hardware you have is well supported by Ubuntu it's just as easy as OS X (IMHO =).
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Amiga inc are mental, and if it's true (which I'm sure it is) that Adam whateverthehell refused to pay Jens for components, just write it off. The board will be an overpriced pile of wank anyway.
As for a *nix OS, I've always preferred starting with the bare minimum then building up to get my OS using tools like pkgsrc in netbsd or the ports collection in linux / free bsd. This way I know exactly whats going on.
Distros are hideous, theres too much bundled crap, everything is usually put in bizzare places and as a result you never really know exactly what's going on.
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Its 2007 now a bare text-OS with PKGSRC is no solution.
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Unfortunately, everything is wrong about the Amiga market. The hardware is mostly not mainstream, the new OS is out dated, there's absolutely no useful software and the tiny user base is full of in fighting. It would take a couple billion dollars worth of development to bring the OS & software up to speed and it would need to be done by this weekend. Good luck, although you'd be better off spending the money on building a time machine to relive the Amiga glory of 1989.
- Mike
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@xeron
Buy a mac? Why I already have one...OSX (os10!) is o.k... I perfer my linux/bsd/unix strait up, thanks. I may be the only one, but I HATE that glossed over candy apple GUI. I also hate OS's that assume I'm an incompetent user... but thats just me.
I honestly sounds like you *like" windows... that's o.k. If OS4 where availabe and able to run killer aps like Maya or houdini, I would give it a shot. (it would also have to run my EXISTING hardware)
If you want a UNIX type system that has a nice balance between power and ease of use try ubuntu 7.01.. it's just as slick as OSX (IMHO)
http://www.ubuntu.com/
it's free unlike OSX and will run on lots of cheap/existing hardware!
BTW I never had to touch a text file to configure my gigabit ethernet network. I can see all my other boxes, windowsXP, OSX as well as my local NFS server... Honestly (for me) I was harder on my windows and OSX boxes! Heck I even run some windows apps on ubuntu via wine!
I don't know who amiga-inc thinks the amiga community is but where not just a buch of out of touch freaks what will use any hardware and OS that has the amiga name on it at any cost.
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Its 2007 now a bare text-OS with PKGSRC is no solution.
I don't think you're too bright. In no way does using pkgsrc restrict you to a bare text os.
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@guru-666
Buy a mac? Why I already have one...OSX (os10!) is o.k... I perfer my linux/bsd/unix strait up, thanks. I may be the only one, but I HATE that glossed over candy apple GUI. I also hate OS's that assume I'm an incompetent user.
That's Windows. OS X is just simple. You can change OS X gui with shapeshifter.. anyway Aqua is eye candy but still efficient, fast and elegant. Not like Vista full of useless menues and buttons.
OS X is just the best, this is fact :-P Give it a second try.. it has a BSD layer it runs UNIX applications and you can use it like Linux if you want, but is simples.
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the tiny user base is full of in fighting.
I dont agree. The userbase is a hornets nest but when Amiga Incompetent comes flying in then you see the arguing. Whats going on now is the userbase is tired of all the bullcrap from Bill McEwen/AI and they are voicing their opinion. Let the people be heard!
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OS X is just the best, this is fact Give it a second try.. it has a BSD layer it runs UNIX applications and you can use it like Linux if you want, but is simples.
OS X is a BSD.
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OSX is not a BSD at heart. It is based on the Mach microkernel and has a BSD compatibility layer
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Who's the genius that messed up the page layout. Comments are unreadable.
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OSX is not a BSD at heart. It is based on the Mach microkernel and has a BSD compatibility layer
If that is what you want to believe.
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No there was talk of them moving to the Mach micro-kernel with a BSD compatibility layer but there was nothing more than speculation I'm sure. The current OSX is based one BSD.
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@Argo:
OS X is a BSD.
Big Stupid Dosbox?
jaminJay
"But, I am already in my pyjamas..."
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!
*yawns and goes back to sleep*
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This is a statement from june19/2006:
ACK Software Controls, Inc. is pleased to announce the upcoming availability of two new AmigaOne XE CPU modules. The first CPU module will be equipped with a Freescale MC7448 CPU clocked at 1GHz. The 1GHz module will retail for $500.00 US Dollars. The second CPU module will be equipped with a Freescale MC7448 clocked at 1.7GHz will retail for $850.00 US Dollars. Both CPU modules will be eqipped with a high quality heatsink and fan to ensure quiet, reliable operation.
Prototype modules will be demonstrated May 22/2006. The location for this demonstration has yet to be determined. Due to the low volume nature of these products, emails indicating demand for either of the two units is greatly appreciated. Stay tuned for updates.
Sincerely,
Adam Kowalczyk
ACK Software Controls, Inc.
REMINDER- If interested, send mail to:
a.kowalczyk@sympatico.ca
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3047
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For an overview of the Mach+BSD of the OSX kernel, http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/KernelProgramming/index.html has the info - there's a diagram of the basic architecture under the link "Kernel Architecture Overview" then "Architecture" under that.
Dana
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"What the hell? Amiga Inc doing something actually relevant for Amiga users? This is unprecedented."
I bet it's 90% by ACK ;-)
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ooooh now that I did not know. sgr86 i was wrong :)
Andy
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The mighty Amiga announcement machine appears to be up and running again. This 'e-mail me for demand' is a type of geek ego trip... e-mails cannot judge demand in any way, shape, or form. You either have a real product and a real business plan or you don't. I've never been wrong in predicting an Amiga product won't ship, at least in recent years. I predict this won't ship. If I'm wrong someday, good, I can wait a week till they have the product, if thats the truth of it.
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@MarkTime
the week is over now..... lets give them two more days... :-P
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Buy a mac? Why I already have one...OSX (os10!) is o.k... I perfer my linux/bsd/unix strait up, thanks. I may be the only one, but I HATE that glossed over candy apple GUI. I also hate OS's that assume I'm an incompetent user... but thats just me.
I like the fact that I can download most programs, drop the app into the Applications directory (or anywhere really) and it will run.
Linux you have to figure out dependences, get them installed, then install the program you want, then figure out how the hell to get it onto the start menu, assuming you can find the executable somewhere in the cryptic file structure.
What linux needs is something like OSX to make it accessible to the masses, and the lazy like me! Then I would be happy to go over to it :-D
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*yawn* 2007? I think my clocks off by a decade.
Jarrod.