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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: Boot_WB on December 24, 2006, 04:52:09 PM
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Hyperion Entertainment is very pleased to announce the immediate availability (for registered AmigaOne customers) of Amiga OS 4.0, The Final Update.
Originally released in May of 2004, Amiga OS 4.0 (www.amigaos4.com) is the most stable, modern and feature-rich incarnation to date of the multi-media centric operating system launched by Commodore Business Machines (CBM) in 1985 with which it still retains a high degree of compatibility.
Amiga OS 4.0, The Final Update is the culmination of 5 years of development and takes the form of a stand-alone ISO image which contains a full installation of all Amiga OS 4.0 components.
A list of new features can be found here (baseline: Update #4).
Availability of PowerPC hardware suitable for operation with Amiga OS 4.0 will be announced by third parties early 2007.
The Hyperion Entertainment management would like to take this opportunity to wish all our customers and supporters a pleasant holiday season!
Amiga OS 4.0 © 2001-2006 Hyperion Entertainment VOF, developed under license from Amiga, Inc. "Amiga" is a registered trademark of Amiga, Inc.
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Ho ho ho, this will be a merry Christmas for AmigaOne owners.
Congrats for the long awaited AmigaOne final release.
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Thanks to all involved!
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This is great news indeed. It's done! :-o
Now i only need a OS4 compatible mobo :-D
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Wow! Another xmas miracle! They must have had a 2 for the price of 1 special! :-)
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Very nice, I don't own an A1, nor can I buy one so I don't really care at the moment.
Now if only they'll let it run on Efika, or ANY hardware that is actually purchaseable, then I'd be jumping for joy.
Still this will certainly make a very nice Christmas present for those who actually have A1s.
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Yeah, now about 950 people can enjoy the "greatness" of OS4.
See - As it boots up quickly!
Watch - as...er...uh, it um...boots up quickly!
Behold - The OS with a web-browser from the ancient past! WooooOoooooo!
Feel - the suspense as the users wait for ports of ancient PC games!
Only Amiga Makes It Possible!
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Oh, but the fun only begun. Now we can finally watch the DE SDK folks get their $100 back, the $50 coupons be redeemed and of course, all those third party developers will now get paid. Right?
:popcorn:
Dammy
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Well, once mine has booted up quickly, I use it to write software, check my email, browse websites, write and listen to music, create graphics, talk to people on MSN or IRC, and thoroughly enjoy it.
But still, if all you want to do is boot it up and wait for people to port games, thats an option too.
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Hooray! Another item for my upgrade festival!
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Congratulations Hyperion, I'm looking forward to purchasing when the hardware guys catch up :-)
@Dammy
Dont be such a "bar humbug Scrooge" Concerning voucher's, questions on a postcard to Ainc not to Hyperion!
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Not got an A1 but for those cynics out there.
I browse the web, read my e-mails, write programs and write music. As long as I can do this with OS4 then I will be buying it. (Assuming the right hardware is out there also)
Now when it finally can be run on other hardware - Efika to name just one. Then I think people will be buying the hardware and OS in increasing numbers.
We are always complaining about the lack of new products - this is a new product, shouldn't we be praising it....
I think my only criticism is that the A1 is no longer an obvious piece of kit for me to buy. I would like a time frame for a port to "available" hardware - if this is at all likely and I would like to hear it from Hyperion.
However - well done Hyperion. You have delivered OS4 to us. What next? and when?
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Dont be such a "bar humbug Scrooge" Concerning voucher's, questions on a postcard to Ainc not to Hyperion!
And the question about third party devs finally getting paid for all their hard work? Amiga Inc or Hyperion?
Dammy :popcorn:
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@B00tDisk
Yeah, now about 950 people can enjoy the "greatness" of OS4.
See - As it boots up quickly!
Watch - as...er...uh, it um...boots up quickly!
Behold - The OS with a web-browser from the ancient past! WooooOoooooo!
Feel - the suspense as the users wait for ports of ancient PC games!
Only Amiga Makes It Possible!
:roll:
If people get bored waiting for "ancient PC games" they could always use DvPlayer or MPlayer to watch a movie. Or, play games that are already available andrun existing 68k games or apps. Feeling really creative, why not try coding, or use Hollywood to create something cool and interesting.
@all
I've installed it on my machine and it's even faster and more responsive than update 4. And that speed goes beyond just the bootup. The 32-bit icons are nice too. Overlay support in DvPlayer works well. I haven't had time to try too much else. I'd like to try the HAM/HAM8->RTG mode promotion. Apparently software that requires HAM modes should work without a problem now. I'll have to go digging through old disks to find one though.
Hans
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Wow! Finally!
Hardware please? Efika? any motherboard that doesnt cost $800 :-P
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@B00tDisk
Hey, let them enjoy the moment. These "AmigaOne" buyers paid a hell of a lot of money and waited a hell of a long time. Better late than never for them. I'm as big a critic as the next guy, but today isn't a day to piss on their parade.
Just my personal opinion. :-)
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I am curious about the mad rush of people demanding coupon and party pack refunds to amiga Inc and how that will play out :popcorn:
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Wait for the Sam440. It's much better then the Efika and doesn't cost 800 dollar.
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HOLY CHEESE AND CRACKERS!!!!
Thanks for being the OS4 guys, guys. This is super awesomeness. Way to go!
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It's , uh, done! wow.
Now to the hardware.
All you lucky users out there, how about a nice review? After Christmas that is.
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Wish there was the same news for the CSPPC version :-(
Anyway, it's greatnews.. maybe Hyperion has time now to finish the CSPPC?BPPC and release it soon? :-D
D.
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Get it running on Efika, and I'll jump with glee, until that day, I'm still very very shocked that this day came, I was in doubt!
What does "Final Update" mean exactly!?!!?!?!
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(*) Production of SharkPPC cards will start as soon as the final version of AmigaOS4.0 for A1 is released.
[ELBOX said]
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@Puppy
Yeah, I was wondering about that too.
Perhaps production will start when AOS4 is released, but the boards will be released "When it's done.." (Couldn't resist)
:-D
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Good news indeed.
Looks like I'll be dusting off the old A1 in a couple of days time. (won't be home till then.)
Well done people.
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@ B00tDisk:
Remind me, why is it you come to this site again?
:roll:
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BOO-YAH BABIE!!!!
This is one heck of a Christmas ain't it gents?
True I don't have a A1, but I do have a PPC in my Miggy and with this MASIVE hurdle cleared it's only a matter of time...
OH YES, it will come... :insane:
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Works like a dream! Next big step: Sam440 :-D
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Availability of PowerPC hardware suitable for operation with Amiga OS 4.0 will be announced by third parties early 2007.
Did everyone miss this line? Sounds alot like Efika to me.
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nope ;-)
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@dammy:
why are you talkin trash about OS4? You're talking as if AROS is such a awesome OS.. get back to work and release something we can all use other then a 3.1 Workbench that runs on x86.
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(*) Production of SharkPPC cards will start as soon as the final version of AmigaOS4.0 for A1 is released.
[ELBOX said]
You mean they can finally order boxes stamped ELBOX for all of those Sonnet PCI PPC mac acellerator cards?!
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@B00tDisk
Atleast it is a great step up from os3.x.. I am starting to wonder why you even hang here considering that you talk as if amigaos is the biggest piece of crap in the whole world.
The 68k scene has been like that since the demise of commodore, so why are you sticking around?
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B00tDisk speaks the truth. The last thing A.org needs is to turn into another AW.net where realism is cast aside and anyone who mentions the appaling business practices of AInc, or the 'you-have-to-laugh-or-you'll-cry' situation with the hardware is vitriolically abused by 'True Amigans'(tm).
This final release for OS4 changes nothing in the real world, this will not get any Windows, Linux or Mac users interested in Amiga; and even when hardware is finally released no one but us fanatics will buy it because it will be of poor performance and cos t several times more than a commodity x86 or x64 board. But we'll be expected to suck it down because it's 'custom'.
Personally, I'm thinking my next computer will probably be a nice cheap Efika board to run Linux (and when/if they're ported to it AROS and MorphOS). If AInc come to their senses and let it run OS4 then I'll gladly buy a copy but I don't see that happening ever, feuding with Genesi is clearly more important to them than running a business or selling an OS.
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So, is anyone gonna post some pics yet, or what?? :-(
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My my! Updated Ibrowse, now AOS4.
What next? Dick Cheney impeached? That would be icing on the cake.
Who let all these Scrooges in here to BAH HUMBUG our Christmas. :-D
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why are you talkin trash about OS4?
Ah, what are you going on about? I did not say a damn thing against OS4. Hell, some of the main AROS coders are also OS4 coders, why would I say trash about it? If you put down the "good cheer" and reread what I posted, you'll clearly see I didn't not say anything about OS4. I do have issue with the business model(s) and business practices, and I'll take a shot or two about broken hardware and all the lies surrounding it, but that is not code, is it?
You're talking as if AROS is such a awesome OS.. get back to work and release something we can all use other then a 3.1 Workbench that runs on x86.
Oh I see now, you do exactly what your accusing me of doing, and I'm the bad guy? :roll:
Dammy
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Now i only need a OS4 compatible mobo
Speaking of OS4 compatible mobos.. According to clear and repetitive statements of hyperion, a classic Amiga with a PPC board IS one of these mobos. Before someone say that "these systems are obsolete", we know. The point is that hyperion has repetedly PROMISED a release for these systems. Will they stand up to their PROMISES?
What really bugs me, is that it seems it's a forgotten issue now, noone speaks about this any more. Oh, except of Dragster here.
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@ B00tDisk:
Remind me, why is it you come to this site again?
Just to put a smile on your face, sunshine.
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Great news..for the Amiga community indeed!!! Someone with an A1 and OS4 please post a complete review..pics etc.
I look fwd to reading/seeing them
Peace and Happy Holidays to everyone!
Rich
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This seemed important enough to /., but they rejected my submission. Oh, well.
As for the nay-sayers, this fantastic news and the continued life of the Amiga Community has little to do with changing the world. In fact, this news will have such little effect on the world as a whole that it is cosmically more insignificant than each one of us is. So get over it and quite shytting on the parade.
This is about achievement and being part of something. I have said it before: the computer may be obsolete, but the philosophy is timeless.
In the meantime, you guys are great entertainment. I think you would do well to turn your incredible perception into introspection and consider, who has less of a life: he who is perceived to waste time on a seemingly worthless endeavor, or he who wastes time pointing out the waste of time?
(As Obi Wan says, "who is more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?")
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Extra xmas-present for some :-)
It was a long wait but worth it im sure
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@AmigaMance
'tis not forgotten, it was also asked about on aw.net and the main holdup appears to be the drivers for all the different peripherals. But in principle OS4 is on the same level on the Classics as it is on the A1. Find the thread over there if you want the details, it is a rather new one.
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@ajk
Yes, i know* that they have fall into some sort of a coding dead-end when it comes to drivers, thanks anyway. That doesn't really make things any better for us, though. :-/
*Actually i don't know it, i can't prove it, but all the bits and pieces from various posts are pointing to this conclusion.
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Congratulations to Hyperion Entertainment, and all the developers and betatesters who have been involved with this project.
Thanks for the Christmas present.
redfox
:banana: :-D
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Juhu!!!!
Have a nice christmas with os4 final. :-D
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It is good news, but what will the people that want it that never got an A1 or had it die on them do? Its a same so few can enjoy it. I have a $50 to turn in if it evers gets released for the Pegasos or the Efika!
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I am curious to what's next?
* Will there be an update e.g. AmigaOS 4.1, 4.2?
* When will work on AmigaOS 5.0 start and will it be platform independant or used in 'convergence' appliances as originally envisioned? Is this vision still valid in 2006?
Any thoughts?
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This is Awesome to see and it's nice to get the official "it's Done" direct from the friedens (thats more AmigaWorld.net unrealism LOL )
and as for Hardware ....... well we shall see :inquisitive:
The views expressed here are those of a realist who hasnt given up on hope but recognises the past and do not speak for those who wont believe even after it happens. :-P
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Well done to all concerned in the sense that "it's about time", considering the sort of promises that were made when the project started. Realistically though it's mostly hot wind for Christmas.
Magic-Merl wrote:
I browse the web, read my e-mails, write programs and write music. As long as I can do this with OS4 then I will be buying it. (Assuming the right hardware is out there also)
Well, browsing the web remains a problem despite the release of Ibrowse 2.4. Still several years behind the times and totally incapable of handling Web 2.0 web sites and applications.
Magic-Merl wrote:
Now when it finally can be run on other hardware - Efika to name just one. Then I think people will be buying the hardware and OS in increasing numbers.
Why? I can see why the existing user-base plus those that found A1s too expensive would be interested in buying new systems, but why would this attract anyone from outside?
Magic-Merl wrote:
We are always complaining about the lack of new products - this is a new product, shouldn't we be praising it....
According to Hyperion, they released AOS4 in 2004. Not a new product then...
Besides, a new product you can't buy doesn't really count, does it?
For me this doesn't actually mean very much. It might have some legal and contractual implications, but in terms of expanding the user-base, increasing the market or improving developer support it means absolutely nothing. It's only of significance to those who already own AOS4 and the hardware to run it.
It isn't really addressing any of the real problems: the dependence on low volume custom hardware, the extremely limited user-base and tiny potential market for expansion, the lack of developers and largely a lack of contemporary software, the lack of co-operation between the small factions that remain, the lack of a real purpose or direction for any of the Amiga-like solutions. Until egos get put aside and people start pulling in the same realistic direction, Amigaland remains the realm of pissing games.
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Oh cheer up bhoggett.
Congrats to Hyperion :-). Can't wait to be able to buy some hardware.
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Wow, it's been a while since I posted, glad to see that the user database hasn't forgotten me!
Well OS4 is out, great to see. Just for a little history, I finally sold my A4000 some years ago and considered getting an A1, but got a Mac G5 instead. Well, I can't say I regret the move but the main reason I got the Mac was because I thought that eventually I would be able to run OS4 on it....
What happened to all the PowerPC compatability? I am still trying to get E-UAE running properly and have actually been using Amithlon via VirtualPC (works surprisingly well!). There's a few other ways, Linux->UAE etc...
Anyway, I have to thank the Amiga community and NWAUG and Bernie for answering all my trickiest questions over the years and, ironically, making me a much better Linux sysadmin now.
If Hyperion hadn't killed Amithlon, I think it still would have been a smart solution to the hardware dearth of the times. I can't really forgive them for that, as Amiga development could have continued quite well with JIT.
Nevertheless, not one to rain on their parade and good to see Amiga development continuing. Excuse me for asking the question that needs to be asked though.... what happened to the exhaustive talk of hardware independence that I remember??
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@BootDisk:
Just to put a smile on your face, sunshine.
That's awful nice of you but I've a feeling your efforts would be better utilised on your own greetin' face. ;-)
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zeigerpuppy wrote:
Well OS4 is out, great to see. Just for a little history, I finally sold my A4000 some years ago and considered getting an A1, but got a Mac G5 instead. Well, I can't say I regret the move but the main reason I got the Mac was because I thought that eventually I would be able to run OS4 on it....
What on earth made you think you'd ever be able to run AOS4 on a Mac?!?
zeigerpuppy wrote:
If Hyperion hadn't killed Amithlon, I think it still would have been a smart solution to the hardware dearth of the times. I can't really forgive them for that, as Amiga development could have continued quite well with JIT.
They didn't kill Amithlon - H&P did that - but a certain Hyperion bigwig did help derail it. At one point there was even the possibility of some form of co-operation between Hyperion and Bernie. Unfortunately by then the die had been cast.
However, Hyperion were amongst the people who did oppose it vehemently when it was first presented, and there were a lot of people who said "why should I get Amithlon when AOS4 will be out in a few months and Amithlon will then be obsolete?".
It's ironic that it's probably easier to find hardware that will run the original Amithlon release - which is a good five years old now, an eternity in mainstream computing - than it is to find hardware to run the newly released AOS4.
zeigerpuppy wrote:
Nevertheless, not one to rain on their parade and good to see Amiga development continuing. Excuse me for asking the question that needs to be asked though.... what happened to the exhaustive talk of hardware independence that I remember??
Hyperion never supported hardware independence. In fact their alliance with Eyetech was specifically designed to combat any move towards hardware independence. I believe that Hyperion felt it was important to keep Amiga users isolated from the mainstream and totally dependent to the few developers left in the market regardless of cost, value for money or quality of software on offer.
In that respect they've succeeded.
The hardware independence was Amiga Inc's angle, and something they supposedly wanted for AOS5 - which had nothing to do with AOS4 and was quite frankly a bit of a fairy tale. Amiga Inc were all mouth, but they never had the resources to deliver on any of their promises. This became quite clear during the AmigaDE debacle, which turned into one almighty scam.
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A big well done for getting OS4 out at last (despite the naysayers) but alas with a lack of hardware available I must content myself with an AMD X2 4200 on an NForce 4 mobo with a 7900 GT PCIE card for Christmass............ It's a hard life. Roll on OS5 for dual core, lol.
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Brilliant, what a great bit of Christmas news! :-D
Now, if only I could run it on one of the 23 machines I have, I would actually buy it in an instant :boohoo:
David
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However - well done Hyperion. You have delivered OS4 to us. What next? and when?
The actual delivery of OS4, perhaps?
The old "When it's done" smiley was not only meaningless, but also false. Here, have a remake:
(http://pannbe.net/ingentingbakom/pix/skoj/when_amigaos2.gif)
:-D :cry:
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Ugh, Seehund, you already posted a similar post on Aw.net and got it deleted... What is your problem man? Stop attention craving.
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@neon32:
There are now 55 posts saying what's also said on aw.net and elsewhere, some of them are 1:1 verbatim copies. At least the post you're complaining about can now only be read here. :) Pick on someone else. What's your problem, man? ;)
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The actual delivery of OS4, perhaps?
The old "When it's done" smiley was not only meaningless, but also false.
Well, saying that a product has now hit 'release' status', then not doing anything about shipping it would certainly be a new business tactic (aka. Seehund, your cynicism knows no bounds - pressing CDs or even just ripping them is a lot easier than mass-producing hardware... christ, I could do it). Kudos to Hyperion, it looks like they actually finished it. I'm a little surprised myself.
Of course, hardware yadda yadda yadda, but now that apparently there's a ready-to-sell OS for it, a proposal to sell hardware for it looks more rosy than a proposal for hardware without an OS other than Linux.
It would be nice if the Amiga community have good cause in 2007 to be less cynical (e.g. half-decent hardware to accompany a hopefully decent operating system release).
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Well done, I guess.
Perhaps now Hype' can get on with porting it to x86 or maybe PS3 or some other brilliant idea?
C'mon, you hafta laugh at the breathtaking futility of it all.
:-P
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@mikeymike,
Well, saying that a product has now hit 'release' status', then not doing anything about shipping it would certainly be a new business tactic
For this "market" and product, I'm afraid it's not really new. In practice, nothing has really changed with this announcement, I'm sorry to say. It's the decision to stay exclusively dependent on "special" licensed hardware that has held and still does hold back a real release and actual sales of the OS.
(aka. Seehund, your cynicism knows no bounds - pressing CDs or even just ripping them is a lot easier than mass-producing hardware... christ, I could do it).
:)
I don't think that anybody needs a particularly well developed sense of cynicism in order to see how ridiculous the situation is. By "actual delivery" I wasn't just referring to pressing/shipping CDs or uploading an ISO image -- so far all they can do is just that, and only as a Christmas gesture to those few who have already bought and paid for their product together with an "AmigaOne".
Kudos to Hyperion, it looks like they actually finished it. I'm a little surprised myself.
Yes, my kudos too! Though I'm not surprised they finished it. It's been basically "Done" for a couple of years now, and could have been done even earlier if they hadn't had to waste time on working around the... ahem... peculiarities of the chosen target hardware, firmware, and the dodgy hardware vendor. Some commercial motivation would probably also have helped speed up things, if their product had (also) been made for sellable hardware. Futility isn't the greatest of motivators. Now it's sorta-kinda out, but from a commercial and survival-of-AmigaOS viewpoint, this achievement is rather pointless.
Of course, hardware yadda yadda yadda, but now that apparently there's a ready-to-sell OS for it, a proposal to sell hardware for it looks more rosy than a proposal for hardware without an OS other than Linux.
Will this version run on anything but an "AmigaOne"? If not, then there's still no ready-to-sell OS for anything else. And that can't happen, no matter how small a development effort would be required, unless someone gets that idiotic licence.
Like some others, I wonder about the motive behind calling this release "Final". An "OS4-DPR Update 5" would probably have worked equally well as a Christmas present to existing customers. The Hyperion guys have stated the obvious so many times; that a final "release" without hardware would be pointless, nothing will come out until there's someone selling hardware that the OS is allowed to run on, the pomp & circumstance needs to be carefully planned, et c.
I smell lawyers.
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I noticed in their official release statement that there was no mention of x86 compatibility, what a shame.
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Good job, Hyperion. I am suprise as OS4 is finished but also not surprised as your track record is encouraging.
Thoughts regarding other comments:
* Hyperion said they would deliver, and they have delivered. After multiple bankrupt companies, I would say this is worth appreciating more.
* And 'Final Release' doesn't mean that it's all over. I don't think they would do all that work knowing something wasn't in the works already. People said the A1 would never happen either, but it did regardless of what is thought about it technically.
* Hyperion shouldn't waste time porting to another architecture but instead they should help develop new or existing applications for OS4. Partnering with Sony for a PS3 port might help Sony as I hear PS3 isn't easy to program. Aros can handle the port to x86, and use Amiga Forever if you want Amiga on PC. And I'll take AmigaOS over Linux any day.
* If you think porting to x86 would help, then reconsider what happened to BeOS. BeOS was on x86, but Be, Inc couldn't survive.
* I agree that $700 for an A1 is too costly. I'm hoping the next board is more reasonable or a PPC accelerator for my A1200 will surface.
* People buy solutions not necessarily technology. I've thought of a few solutions using it, but need something less expensive than a $700 mobo to make it more reasonable.
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* If you think porting to x86 would help, then reconsider what happened to BeOS. BeOS was on x86, but Be, Inc couldn't survive.
*cough* Open source *cough*
And don't give me any of this s*** about Amiga OS being a viable commercial venture, those days are long gone.
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* If you think porting to x86 would help, then reconsider what happened to BeOS. BeOS was on x86, but Be, Inc couldn't survive.
Strange, when you consider that it came from PPC... wasn't it enough for its survival?
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And don't give me any of this s*** about Amiga OS being a viable commercial venture, those days are long gone.
At most as viable venture as any if driven with competence...
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At most as viable venture as any if driven with competence...
Key word in that sentence is "competence". I'm not saying I could do a better job, but if you look at some of the decisions that have been made over the years, competence is something Aming Inc. lacks.
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Will this version run on anything but an "AmigaOne"? If not, then there's still no ready-to-sell OS for anything else. And that can't happen, no matter how small a development effort would be required, unless someone gets that idiotic licence.
That's what is driving me crazy. How I wish this would run on any other ppc hardware. Apple G4's are getting dirt cheap now...if only OS 4 would run on them.
coldfire
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*cough* Open source *cough*
And don't give me any of this s*** about Amiga OS being a viable commercial venture, those days are long gone.
There is an open source clone of BeOS, but AmigaOS is more promising that it as Kaiku hasn't gained in popularity. Amiga still has more software and is more usable than Haiku/BeOS/Zeta.
There are viable commercial ventures, but not everyone can see them. It definitely won't be a PS3, Xbox 360, PC game challenger for sure, but that doesn't mean there are no other potential markets. Futhermore, the release of OS4 is evidence that it is viable.
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There are viable commercial ventures, but not everyone can see them. It definitely won't be a PS3, Xbox 360, PC game challenger for sure, but that doesn't mean there are no other potential markets. Futhermore, the release of OS4 is evidence that it is viable.
Earth to David!!! Give me one example of a viable commercial venture, just one.
And exactly how is the release of OS4 evidence that it is viable? Currently the only people who can use it are the A1 owners and there aren't that many of them. Even if they do produce new hardware, how much is it going to cost and who in their right mind would replace all their current infrastucture to use it.
My beef with OS4 is the fact that its limited to obsolete over priced proprietary hardware thats no longer in production, how on earth anyone could even consider this "viable" is beyond me.
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Earth to David!!! Give me one example of a viable commercial venture, just one.
And exactly how is the release of OS4 evidence that it is viable? Currently the only people who can use it are the A1 owners and there aren't that many of them. Even if they do produce new hardware, how much is it going to cost and who in their right mind would replace all their current infrastucture to use it.
My beef with OS4 is the fact that its limited to obsolete over priced proprietary hardware thats no longer in production, how on earth anyone could even consider this "viable" is beyond me.
The connection was bad. :-)
Actually, at this time the commercial ventures I have would only work with that new Efika card with MorphOS. An example? A web server running microsoft.com. Ha! :-D
We're partially eating the same meat. It is old and definitely pricey, but newer stuff is coming. And $299 for an Efika is a decent deal, and might be hard for AmigaOS hardware to beat. Depending on the application, not an extreme amount of processing power is needed. It is currently only viable with existing systems; plus, it's viability is dependent upon the next hardware release.