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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => General Internet News => Topic started by: chris on December 04, 2006, 06:32:20 PM
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A new community portal has been launched, focusing on news, support and promotion for the Amiga line - but skewed towards the official AmigaOS upgrade path: AmigaOS 4.0 and licenced hardware on which to run it.
Come and join us at amigans.net (http://www.amigans.net)
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Come and join us at amigans.net
Huh? Any reason not to stay here? :-D
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amigans.net is a great site! Maybe not for the reasons you would expect, but a great site.
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Another community split, how great. Haven't they learned anything from the past? :roll:
In 3 years, we'll probably have more Amiga community portals than users. :lol:
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*yawn*
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At least it made me never want to be called
an Amigan ever again.
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What OS4? What licensed hardware :-? Is this a site only targeting a few hundred Teron based AmigaOne users? That seems to be a fairly narrow focus doesn’t it?
/me shrugs
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Has AWN become too liberal then, to require yet another split by those who are obsessed by the purity of the "true way"?
How ironic.
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Is this a site only targeting a few hundred Teron based AmigaOne users? That seems to be a fairly narrow focus doesn’t it?
Just had a look. The main target group seem to be A1 users and some uhh... weird religious folks (not saying that both groups can't have something in common).
Glad to see that Billsey has found a new home there. :lol:
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This is the kind of zealotry that gives Amiga users a bad rep in the general computing arena. I had hoped that we'd grown up enough to stop doing things like this.
Do we have any social psychologists or sociologists here? There's an interesting social theory that describes how as the resources in a society become more and more scarce, infighting among members of that society skyrockets.
Every time things flare up in the Amiga community, I think about that. Stocks of classic parts are drying up, developers are leaving the platform, and users are jumping at each others' throats over the slightest perceived insult. All this at a time when we should be banding together.
Got a problem with (circle one or more) OS4/MOS/AROS? Learn to ignore it instead of swelling threads into tarpits of inane banter about how offended you are by its mere existence. It's not coming to destroy your way of life.
In the meantime, I'll be staying here at the melting pot of AO, content in my hope that my experience with MOS, OS4, and Classics can help others get more fun out of their systems.
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what a silly idea. i find these so called "amiga purists" a bit irritating. continually spouting crap about their non-existent OS. let's hope you all have some hardware to shout about very soon or you're going to endup looking rather stupid. eer, actually, you already do.
"oh, we need to create a portal for OS4 only because we can't stand people talking about OSs, such as MorphOS (which ACTUALLY EXIST) and our fantasy never-to-see-the-light-of-day OS4 is soooo much better, blah blah" grow up! pathetic
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Uh.....
I don't want to sound like a dumbass or anything, but isn't that Amigaworld.net??
Amiga.org is for all the "normal" people, who'd just like to see *ONE* of these companies get it right for a change, not caring which one it is???
:-o
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I don't want to sound like a dumbass or anything, but isn't that Amigaworld.net??
No, Amigaworld has changed a lot after some rather intolerant moderators left there. It is much more balanced now and the moderators are IMHO doing a great job.
Amiga.org is for all the "normal" people, who'd just like to see *ONE* of these companies get it right for a change, not caring which one it is???
Lol, good that you put "normal" in quotes. ;-)
But I agree entirey. I don't care who get's it right. Unfortunately it more looks as if both get/got it wrong. :-(
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@Methuselas
ya, i was ranting about this new "amigans.net" site, not Amiga.org. :-) I agree, AO is the best, most neautral and above all MOST sane Amiga site, imo. ANYTHING remotely Amiga related is welcome here and that's just the way it should be.
amigaworld.net is full of spellbound Amiga Inc. fanatics and this new amigans.net is like an aw.net spliter group made-up of its most extreme AInc fanboy members.
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@Matt_H
Well said.
Varthall
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It's the OS4 answer to MorphZone... or is there something wrong with that as well?
AmigaWorld has been lately filled up with pointless flamewars about different OS and CPU varietes - it's kind of like a war-zone version of amiga.org now.
amigans.net is intended to be a peaceful place to largely serve the OS4 community (there aren't many of us yet, but that will change), without the pointless bickering.
amiga.org is generally friendly, but you still get the bickering occasionally, as can be seen in these comments. It is certainly the best place for AmigaOS and derivative discussion though, as discussions tend to be constructive rather than flamefests. But, it isn't really the right place for OS4 support as you do get the odd OS4-hater cutting in.
I think there is a place for amigans.net, it just takes over from what aw.net used to be and no longer is. Note that I posted this article there as well but it didn't get approved - go figure.
Chris
PS it's not that we don't like MorphOS, it's just it's better to not have it shoved in your face when trying to discuss OS4. I wouldn't go onto lambworld.net and talk about chicken.
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I dont know I might......but there again I have a sense of humour. I learnt a very long time ago, that the world is full of pain and sufferingm, and at the end of the day should we all get so worked up about such pointless things, in the scheme of things.
Learn to laugh people.....
I own catfish and my better half regularly visits a site with information on looking after them.
There is some guy who keeps joining the site in difference guises. He keeps getting banned for posting articles about how nice catfish are to eat, and recipies etc.....you should see how mad people go, it cracks up :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Fantastic news!!! I have been waiting for this site to come to fruition. Thank you !!!
Morphzone for MorphOS, Amigans.net for OS4/Amigans. AO and AW for a mixture. It is all fine to me, I think there is a place for a OS4 only site. It is only fair if the MorphOS users get their own site.
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Morphzone for MorphOS, Amigans.net for OS4/Amigans. AO and AW for a mixture. It is all fine to me, I think there is a place for a OS4 only site. It is only fair if the MorphOS users get their own site.
Just for the record, discussion of other platforms and Ami* like solutions besides MorphOS is allowed on MorphZone.
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In other words, it's formed on exactly the same elitist, isolationist principles that AmigaWorld.net was formed on in the first place. A place for all the red-faction hate-mongers and superiority complexes can post whatever they like without the risk of being challenged or having to explain themselves.
Quite simply, it's the living proof of what has f***ed up the Amiga scene for years now: the community. It's not Amiga Inc, Hyperion, H&P, Eyetech or Genesi who are responsible for the rotten core of the Amiga scene - it's the users who have allowed the scammers and con-artists to sell them unachievable pipe-dreams because it's exactly what they wanted to hear. It looks like the new forum is there for people who don't want to be interrupted in their fawning obeisance to "the official solution".
It's only when users decide enough is enough and are truly prepared to make sacrifices and compromises to their ideals that anything will ever move forward. So far this hasn't happened.
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It's the OS4 answer to MorphZone...
Answer? As if it's purpose is some kind of counter-balance to MZ? Get over that blue vs. red thing already! It serves no purpose, just further dimishes our already tiny small community. What we need is to _at least try_ to join efforts rather than split up and move into different directions. A common portal is one thing. Common developer projects another. And if this portal is an answer to MZ, then it is a laughable effort in a situation with no final OS, no hardware, no licenses and whatnot.
AmigaWorld has been lately filled up with pointless flamewars about different OS and CPU varietes - it's kind of like a war-zone version of amiga.org now.
The site has been rather calm for some time, moderation was efficient and balanced (after Mikey_C left). Then all of sudden hell broke loose when the Morphos on Efika news was announced.
Some OS4-trolls screamed that there was too much promotion for Genesi-products although the proportion of MOS-related news and threads was tiny. Talking about tolerance. You go figure. :roll:
amigans.net is intended to be a peaceful place to largely serve the OS4 community (there aren't many of us yet, but that will change), without the pointless bickering.
So you are just repeating what AW.net did back the day when moderation tolerated only certain company-endorsed opinions? Why would that work out today in a situation that looks even more dim for OS4? Pure idiocy of repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Good luck at that.
But, it isn't really the right place for OS4 support as you do get the odd OS4-hater cutting in.
The main problem that you guys have is paranoia. You even see people whining about OS4-release and people hypothetically discussing things like OS4 on x86 as "OS4 haters".
You make it appear as if there was never any moderation at Amigaworld. There was moderation and it was pretty good during the last months. The problem you guys have is zero tolerance for other opinions. Rather boring if you ask me.
Wasn't it called a discussion forum originally?
Note that I posted this article there as well but it didn't get approved - go figure.
Doesn't surprise me at all after all the badmouthing certain people from "teh true Amigans" have done at Amigaworld before they left (and are still doing!). You guys never learn. Just fanning the flames, separating, instead of finding compromises and looking at things all have in common.
While I am open two both MOS and OS4, the recent events have made the "official" solution and its further split up community (what is left from it) much more unappealing to me. So Un-Amigan.
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@ Varthall
Thanks. :-)
@ thread
This old thing (http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/A/Amiga-Persecution-Complex.html) seems to again be becoming more and more appropriate for the community these days. :-(
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Matt_H:
Good reply. I also think AO is a 'melting pot' for all users.
bhogett:
I totally agree. I had to read it again because I thought it was a rare thing for someone other then myself to think that.
As for AW, I've started to read there a little more then usual to see whats going on. I think their moderators have it rough to be honest. I think it gets kinda rough over there and they just try to do the best they can with moderating. Its one of those 'damned if you do, damned if you dont' things.
But to the ones who posted in this thread, they are great replies..glad you're on this site also.
-Alex
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Has AWN become too liberal then, to require yet another split by those who are obsessed by the purity of the "true way"?
Amigaworld is actually more blue than amiga.org these days.
There is alot of genesi news posted on the frontpage there these days.
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@Tomas
With virtually nothing of merit happening, after a while any colour sounds interesting. :crazy:
Isn't it time for 21 Questions Part II: the update?
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@Tomas
Amigaworld is actually more blue than amiga.org these days.
There is alot of genesi news posted on the frontpage there these days.
Check the facts (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21376&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#341661) instead of making up things.
TMHG wrote:
*None* of these areas reached above *one single percent* of the total amount of news headlines!
Talking about tolerance...why can't some guys ignore the 1-2% of Genesi news? Does anybody force them to read them?
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/me shrugs
History repeating itself once again indeed.
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Very nice news! I like the new portal. :-)
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I'm gonna go start my own UAE-only portal...
...with blackjack, and hookers...
...in fact, forget the blackjack!
Ah, screw the whole thing!
benJamin
"He's a complete and total dork!" - Kryten
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and the cycle continues...
...I left AO about 3 years ago for that very reason, and came back (to discover sanity restored, happily!) when work prevented me from logging in to AW. I dont often get back there apart from brief dialups but OS/CPU flames does seem to be the main order of business when not discussing problems.
meh, I'll give amigans.net a go, see how it is - everyone deserves a look afterall!
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doh! it'll have to wait till tonight! I gave my home email, and work wont let me connect to that either!
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Talking about tolerance...why can't some guys ignore the 1-2% of Genesi news? Does anybody force them to read them?
Probably since Mikey C said AWN is GenesiWorld.net.
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Probably since Mikey C said AWN is GenesiWorld.net.
And accused the site owners of being bribed by bbrv. :lol: He should make sure to check the above "Amiga persecution complex" link. :-D
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All of this SO has a familiar ring to it. The only difference is that DaveyD was never really a rabid zealot. Simply a guy who saw the opportunity to run a site and FWIW, I think he's doing a good job at AW.
Mikey C strikes again. :)
I just wonder how long it is until everyone else comes to their senses and goes back to real sites and Mikey C ends up talking to himself.
BTW, no one's mentioned it in this thread, but the TOS over at Amigans.net is at least honest if not outright filled with platform bigotry and intolerance.
Summarized, "We own this world, think like we do, suckle at the Amiga Inc teet, or we will ban you instantly -- in some cases before you even sign up -- without notice or warning."
Look guys, I have no problems with supporting Amiga Inc, but that kind of blind viewpoint is just downright scary. Makes me wonder if I look at the site's logo long enough, will the lines converge to reveal a swastika?
Wayne
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@ benJamin
Yes. Exactly.
(Hooray Bender!)
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@Wayne:
:lol: :lol:
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Yes it is all a bit silly having all these sites,amiga.org is the best of all.You can talk about anything without hearing ppl moan and groan about this and that..
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Check the facts instead of making up things.
What has that to do with what i said? It seems to be you who are making up things, as i have never ever said anything about amigaworld being paid for being more "blue" than amiga.org. I did not even claim now that this was a bad thing. The fact is that there is more "blue" news there than it is here currently. I know this because i visit both sites everyday.
I for one like it better now than when it was completely red.
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What has that to do with what i said?
See the part that I quoted, it's really that simple.
There isn't "alot of genesi news posted on the frontpage". Or does 1-2% really amount to "a lot"?
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ok guys you're talking about AW, blue/red too much. you're banned! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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@TheMagicM
:lol: :lol:
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Yay! Another xoops-amiga-board!
Poster: Kees Posted: 2006/12/5 9:33:13
/me shrugs
History repeating itself once again indeed.
By all the holy deities! :-o :-o It's KEES.
I thought you'd floated off ages ago. WB :-D.
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See the part that I quoted, it's really that simple.
Again you misunderstood. I was just saying that amigaworld.net seems to have become more blue as of lately than this site. Even though this was not the case before.
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Perhaps you dont know but you can run some Amiga apps in Morphos. So if you are a true genuine "Amigan" but want to run a genuine Amiga application faster and does so on a Pegasos are you in the blue or red camp then?
Its like it is 1998 again and hardcore amiga nerds threatens to kill you if you mention you have a PC (almost happened to me), although now it is Amiga-like operating systems. How pathetic.
And if it is a war it must be so frustrating to see that MorphOS have been out there for years and fresh PPC hardware too, and not just a single motherboard but two and now three boards with some Amiga compatibility, and new ones are comming.. haha 2 bad 4 u if you are too red then.. :lol:
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And if it is a war it must be so frustrating to see that MorphOS have been out there for years and fresh PPC hardware too, and not just a single motherboard but two and now three boards with some Amiga compatibility, and new ones are comming.. haha 2 bad 4 u if you are too red then..
I am interested in both to be honest. I am more of a OS4 person, but the new efika has definitely made me interested. If MorphOS is bundled with it soon, then i might seriously considering getting one.
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I am more of a OS4 person, but the new efika has definitely made me interested. If MorphOS is bundled with it soon, then i might seriously considering getting one.
If you intend to register on that site, be careful not to mention that and don't put "Efika" in your signature. Mikey will think that you want to infiltrate the site and might ban you. :inquisitive:
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I wonder why there`s no mention whatsoever of it on AW?
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I wonder why there`s no mention whatsoever of it on AW?
So do i... Maybe they look at competition as some kind of threat..
Or no one bothered to post it as news.. Anyways i posted a link to this article in the forum
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@Frags:
I wonder why there`s no mention whatsoever of it on AW?
Probably because they no longer see a need to promote zealotry. I can't say I disagree with them - people like Mikey_C thrive on promoting their brand of intolerance elsewhere. Anyone remember the drama when these people "left" AO? Now you have them promoting another damaging split in the community over all other forums which will permit them.
What is the value of tolerating the intolerant? Now there's a philosophical question - though probably not a helpful one here. :)
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I wonder why there`s no mention whatsoever of it on AW?
It's been said the people behind this new site have been bad mouthing AWN and this is essentially a new so called organized mass exodus from AWN to this new site, as what was done years ago from AO by intolerant platform nazis who can't stand simple reality. If someone is actively badmouthing your site, would you give them free publicity? I don't know the story, this is just hearsay. If that is what really happened, I don’t blame AWN one bit. :roll:
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Oh come to think of it, I have been reading and posting on AWN for a few weeks now after not having been there in quite some time. I must say AWN is becoming a relatively pleasant forum. Whyzzat?? ;-) AO is still my favorite, but AWN has it's qualities now.
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I broadly welcome the new site :-) I think it's a slight exaggeration to say they will censor absolutely anyone who's being critical about 0S4, but there is a fine line between constructive criticism and the blatant trolling and OS4 basing going on over at AW.
I don't see Amigans.net being a replacement for other main stream sites like here, but more somewhere to go and discuss specific OS4 related matters in relative peace without the usual threads filled with flame wars started by the supporters of other platforms.
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The problem you guys have is zero tolerance for other opinions.
I see a batch of folks who want a place to passionately discuss OS4 with out being called "fan boy", "zealot" "tit suckler", "blind", "add your insult here". Some intolerance lives in all the camps.
I'd personally grown annoyed with what I feel was baiting and sniping by some usual suspects at AW.net. I think moderation was adjusted and things are improved at AW, but not before some felt the urge for a new portal it seems.
Some suffer the slings/arrows of thread arguments better than others. Those who can't have found a "happy place". It's too bad in a way, but far from unexepected.
I'm happy enough with AO and AW.net, but will pop in on amigans.net too. Truth be told, I frequent Amigaland because I like and enjoy the people and characters as much or more than the OS. It's certainly not becuase of the industry wide demand for AOS, MOS or AROS.
Plaz
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It's certainly not becuase of the industry wide demand for AOS, MOS or AROS.
There's not :-?
:-P
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@Gav
Yes it is all a bit silly having all these sites,amiga.org is the best of all.You can talk about anything without hearing ppl moan and groan about this and that..
... Indeed, as this thread shows !:-D
@Chris
www.amigans.net is a great site where you can even talk about problem on AOS4 without your throat being cut and your thread hijacked like on some other sites... And more and more devs are joining in !
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@amigame:
more devs replying? since when did we get a straight answer out of a developer? lol
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more devs replying? since when did we get a straight answer out of a developer? lol
Exactly, it's not as if they have been very forthcoming.
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Well, what do you know, my account here at amiga.org seems to have survived my absence! I'm actually a little surprized about that. But I'm even more surprized that I actually remembered my password (it took some 4-5 tries though ;-))
@ redrumloa
this is essentially a new so called organized mass exodus from AWN to this new site, as what was done years ago from AO by intolerant platform nazis who can't stand simple reality.
It's the same people this time. But it seems to be somewhat of a failure though IMHO. They have been "exoding" for over a week now, and has only barely passed the 200 users mark, and most of those users keep posting at AW.net as well. Not at all like the last exodus!
If someone is actively badmouthing your site, would you give them free publicity?
Exactly.
That new site is bad intent all the way through IMO.
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... it has one feature that no other site has though - Sister Rita! :-o :-D :lol:
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heh.. my thread got quickly locked :( http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21504&forum=2&2 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21504&forum=2&2)
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@Tomas:
as it should. I almost deleted this News ad because I dont really care for silly little 'mass exodus' thingies.
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as it should. I almost deleted this News ad because I dont really care for silly little 'mass exodus' thingies.
Why exactly? Why should pro OS4 portals be ignored? I am not much fan of completely biased forums either, and will probably not join it. But the fact is that there is plenty of people who want such a forum, and i am sure those would welcome such news.
I think it is wrong to ignore it just because you dont agree with it.
But anyways.. I talked to amigaworld peeps and it seems like they closed it on mistake..
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Poster: TheMagicM Posted: 2006/12/5 21:59:36
@Tomas:
as it should. I almost deleted this News ad because I dont really care for silly little 'mass exodus' thingies.
Maybe you should have done.
Taste of their own medicine etc.... ;-)
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Well, someone had sufficient reason to lock it but didn't post to justify it, hence it's unlocked again. I have no problem with this site's existence but I have a huge problem with the fact that I and other moderators have been receiving torrents of abuse from certain members. Those members are very well known trolls that got the boot from AW.net for a very good reason that has nothing to do with being red, blue or pink with black spots for that matter, but it seems that that reason got lost in the sands of time... and they got allowed into that website even if trolls aren't supposed to be welcome there.
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In other words, it's formed on exactly the same elitist, isolationist principles that AmigaWorld.net was formed on in the first place. A place for all the red-faction hate-mongers and superiority complexes can post whatever they like without the risk of being challenged or having to explain themselves.
Exactly. The inevitable Glasnost finally purged AW.net of the Least Suitable "Moderators" Imaginable, so they're off to build their Brand New Sealed Off Utopia for whom the "Supreme Council" (sic!) deems are True Amigans. #### the users and the community, the sole purpose of the user rabble is to "promote" (sic!) certain arbitrarily selected companies and trademarks.
Do such perversions really need to be advertised on sites like this, which indeed are intended to serve us, the community (licences and trademarks and disagreements be damned)?
Edited by Argo: Tolling, That was abit over the line.
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Believe it or not there are people hat simply have no intrest in Morphos, Efika, pegasos, aros, or anything else, they are simply interested in AOS and the "official" solution, and we are demonized for that.
People that just want to inhabit the boards and not put up with insults such as " Blind, name follwers, racist, apathied, bigots, zealots, and many others. So far we have been called most of those so far, plus a few others.
And somehow, we are the badguys because we dont want to put up with that?
There is definately a few people in this thread who should take a long hard look at themselves before they go around throwing stones. It is these people that have made such a move necessary.
Do we feel persecuted? Probably many of us do, but instead of making issue of it we go somewhere else to avoid the conflict and just look what we get? Of course thiswould not be such a problem if the moderator did thier jobs and moderated these kinds of isulting postings. The lack thereof is no more evident than these comments.Talk about rock and a hard place and damned if you do damned if you dont.
Lets not forget "Nazi, Isolationist and Elitist"
Look like we can add communist by the looks of that picture or perhaps dictatorial oppressionists.Oh AND
Edited by the greatest moderator TheMagicM ..silly child, please dont use profanity
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@Seehund
Obviously you have way to much time and imagination. :roll:
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Believe it or not there are people hat simply have no intrest in Morphos, Efika, pegasos, aros, or anything else, they are simply interested in AOS and the "official" solution, and we are demonized for that.
Don't be silly. This has nothing at all to do with different operating systems or people's preferences.
MOD EDIT is totally redundant in that aspect. AOS4 issues can be and are discussed here on amiga.org, and on AW.net there are even dedicated fora for that specific version.
MOD EDIT was created because Mikey_C and the rest of his fanatical cult of control freaks couldn't stand seeing actual DISCUSSION or people disagreeing with what these few fanatics defined as the official set of "True Amigan" opinions. I repeat: it had nothing to do with "not being able to discuss OS4", because that is patently untrue.
If they just wanted a completely normal user support and discussion forum for one particular operating system, they wouldn't be banning (pre-emptively banning, even!) people and moderating posts based on opinions.
There's nothing normal or sane about that site. It's a ######## with a phobia for reality and sane reasoning. Real actual debate, or even the slightest deviation from what AInc's or their licensees' PR said the last time, is cunningly mislabelled as "trolling". It's a destillation of everything that used to be wrong and sick with AW.net. It's a complete joke, and a rather sad one at that.
-editted by redrumloa
Please refrain from terms like f***tard, that is a personal insult.
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Well seeing as I have been lumped in to a "fanatical cult of control freaks" and "fanatic" I think I can say with much more authority than you can about what we can and can not stand. Call me part of a "circle-jerking cult with a phobia for reality and sane reasoning" if you will. The fact is you are transposing your personal dislike of Mickey_C and perhaps even of the "Amiga Inc. and/or partners" onto us.
That you have no intrest in this site is your affair, you are welcome not to like it, to disagree with the reasons behind it and so on.But, like I have been told many times before, if you dont like it, dont have any interest in it, you can simply ignore the post\news item. The same as we have been told many times before relating to other OS's and hardware.
But do you? no. You come in and post a heap of insults and tell ME, one of the persons in that community, what my opinions reason and attitudes are, even when they are contradictory to what I have previously told you. Not only that, but you continue to throw insults, swear and deride me, my chosen community, my chosen solution\interest.
YOU and those like you, are the reason we want a place free of this kind of crap, becuase if we stay here our points of view are contantly treated with the same respect as we have been shown in this thread. No civility, no tolerance, plenty of insults and "persecution" and no moderators doing thier job and putting a stop to it.
You and people like you make it intolerable to stay, and ironicly enough, it is you who is most vehement in your attacks when we choose to go elsewhere.
There's nothing normal or sane about that site. It's a circle-jerking cult with a phobia for reality and sane reasoning. Real actual debate, or even the slightest deviation from what AInc's or their licensees' PR said the last time, is cunningly mislabelled as "trolling". It's a destillation of everything that used to be wrong and sick with AW.net. It's a complete joke, and a rather sad one at that.
Quite frankly if this turns out to be the case, then the site will not likely survive. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I have not seen evidence that this is true as yet.
Anyway, just look at our two postings, which of us is the most intolerant, close minded, insulting and like to cause trouble? I notice you still have the link to the Amigans containing swear words and insults.
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Despite the protestations of innocence and virtue, you can almost smell the insincerity in that post. Why do you expect to be able to promote your intolerance all over the Amiga forums and not attract criticism is beyond me.
You can always go back to the protection of your hole in the ground and not read any of the reactions elsewhere - that way you won't be offended or bothered by them Isn't that the very purpose of your existence.
How long before the rabid zealotry fades away from the new forum too, and Mikey_C, you and the rest splinter off to start yet another forum dedicated to the still unreleased OS$ and defunct AmigaOne?
This is what's been destroying the Amiga for years - it's ironic that the Amiga's worst enemies are those who most loudly profess to defend it.
Oh, and if you don't like this comment feel free not to read it! :lol:
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Come on people. If you don't like the ones that created amigans.net then you should be happy that they have their own site now. If you like the way amiga.org or amigaworld.net is then what's the problem? These sites won't change because amigans.net exists. It's good to have choice.
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It's bleeping great. The lunatics built their own asylum, doors lock from the inside and they control the keys....best move evah! :-D
On a stranger note...it's surprising to see someone like Rogue falling for this. I know he's joined TehR43lSite.N3t and last post I saw on AWN was about unsubscribing and leaving...of course it has been threatened before by both of the twins.
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So I am the intolerant one?
1. I have not insulted anyone who supports morphos, genesi efika windows linus or any other hardware\software computer solution.
2. I have not haranged or made life difficult for those with different views.
3. I have not given anyone a hard time because they choose to join a different website.
4. I have not insulted anyone, cussed or cursed the website that people decide to support, or generalized in an insulting or derogative manner those who choose to support a different website.
Now, just look at those that have done so IN THIS THREAD, then ask yourself who is the intolerant one.
It is true I am intolerant. I am intolerant to slander, insults, cussing, cursing, flaming, baiting and the otherwise rude and agressive behaviour that it so prevalent. However, as far as other os's and hardware solutions go, I don't give two hoots about them, I dont deride them for thier choices, nor do I expect to be derided for mine. However, such derision not only happens, but is encouraged by the moderators continuing to allow it to happen, making this place not the happy "community" it tries to convince everyone it is.
Now you dont like a website that has an aggressive stance on preventing this kind of behaviour from happening (and I garuntee it is not AOS supporters that are deriding us AOS supporters) then thats just too bad. Dont visit and we will both be happy.
@yak
the most sensible post of the entire thread.
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So I am the intolerant one?
1. I have not insulted anyone who supports morphos, genesi efika windows linus or any other hardware\software computer solution.
2. I have not haranged or made life difficult for those with different views.
3. I have not given anyone a hard time because they choose to join a different website.
4. I have not insulted anyone, cussed or cursed the website that people decide to support, or generalized in an insulting or derogative manner those who choose to support a different website.
PLUNK
Exuse me? I just fell off my chair! :-o I have been on the wrong end of venom from your mouth in the past
Now, just look at those that have done so IN THIS THREAD, then ask yourself who is the intolerant one.
You've bashed me right here on AO in the past and it went unmoderated, yet you are insinuating that you are unduly attacked in this thread? Wow.
Putting all that aside, while some of this thread is heated I don't see any specific personal attacks against individuals. If I am wrong and I missed anything feel free to PM a moderator with specific information.
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JKD,
On a stranger note...it's surprising to see someone like Rogue falling for this. I know he's joined TehR43lSite.N3t and last post I saw on AWN was about unsubscribing and leaving...of course it has been threatened before by both of the twins.
Any links on this?
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Any links on this?
Somewhere in this thread: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20804&forum=14 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20804&forum=14)
edit: post number 78
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@redrumloa
Putting all that aside, while some of this thread is heated I don't see any specific personal attacks against individuals. If I am wrong and I missed anything feel free to PM a moderator with specific information.
I always thought Mikey_C was a person. :-)
I realy can't understand the 'attitude' in this thread. The one thing that realy annoys me on amiga sites is the venom displayed if someone holds a different view. Maybe this is because of the anonamous nature of the web, because most adults would not speak to each other that way face to face.
Anyway, live and let live is my motto.
If it doesn't effect you don't worry about it.
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Okay, everyone. Let's relax a bit. Things are getting a little heated in this thread.
I'm going to direct your attention to my first post:
users are jumping at each others' throats over the slightest perceived insult.
(Emphasis added)
As long as you believe you're being continually persecuted, you'll never be happy. Instead of running away, why not sit back, take a deep breath, and enjoy the sunshine (as forecasted to you via Wet on your shiny OS4 Workbench). You'll probably find that you'll be happy whereever you are if you learn to not get so worked up about things.
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@Seehund
:roll:
@IonDeluxe
Just try to ignore him. Anyways, there are people here who are interested in OS4.
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redfox
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don't see any specific personal attacks against individuals
But insulting an entire group is acceptable, as long as it's not filled with individuals of course.
Plaz
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I always thought Mikey_C was a person.
Yes he is, was there personal attacks we missed? Or just remarks on actions?
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But insulting an entire group is acceptable, as long as it's not filled with individuals of course.
Then you get to a point of where do you draw the line? Especially when then this group has shown intention to do harm to other sites?
Also, I may have totally missed something as this thread is getting quite long. If there are specific attacks against a group that sound personal, let a mod know the specifics. Are we talking about comments on the need to have a segregated community site? People are going to have strong opinions on this, especially considering the method of the so called exodus. Or are we talking about outright personal insults?
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Ok, a quick search back through the thread I see the f***tard link. It has been modded.
@All
Refrain from personal insults. f***tard is a personal insult.
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Why exactly? Why should pro OS4 portals be ignored? I am not much fan of completely biased forums either, and will probably not join it. But the fact is that there is plenty of people who want such a forum, and i am sure those would welcome such news.
I think it is wrong to ignore it just because you dont agree with it.
But anyways.. I talked to amigaworld peeps and it seems like they closed it on mistake..
Oh no, dont get me wrong. I may have blue blood running in my veins but that doesnt mean I dont want OS4 to succeed or to have a forum. Its the people or person behind the forum that I have no respect for.
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@IonDeluxe
Well seeing as I have been lumped in to a "fanatical cult of control freaks" and "fanatic" ...
You seem to want to lump yourself into that group. I was stating my opinion on that site, its raison d'être and its posted policies.
Call me part of a "circle-jerking cult with a phobia for reality and sane reasoning" if you will. The fact is you are transposing your personal dislike of Mickey_C and perhaps even of the "Amiga Inc. and/or partners" onto us.
Sure I am, but please don't confuse your use of "us" with "people who wish to discuss AmigaOS4 [or whatever]". That confusion is what the new site was created to perpetuate: "You're only a True Amigan if you think and say like THIS!" "If you think like THAT, then you're not promoting AmigaOS", et c.
That you have no intrest in this site is your affair, you are welcome not to like it, to disagree with the reasons behind it and so on.But, like I have been told many times before, if you dont like it, dont have any interest in it, you can simply ignore the post\news item. The same as we have been told many times before relating to other OS's and hardware.
I don't think anyone's asked you to not post your opinions on "other OS's and hardware" when they are on topic. Of course I'm as free to ignore news items as I am to comment on them. Just like anyone else. That is, unless the news item is posted on that new site; then you couldn't post your opinion unless it's compatible with what people like Mikey_C thinks constitutes "promoting and supporting" what's being, er, "discussed".
But do you? no. You come in and post a heap of insults and tell ME, one of the persons in that community, what my opinions reason and attitudes are, even when they are contradictory to what I have previously told you.
So you disagree. Doesn't it feel good to be able to do that? :)
Not only that, but you continue to throw insults, swear and deride me, my chosen community, my chosen solution\interest.
Bravo! Now can we drop the act?
I have sworn at and derided a mindset of intolerance and paranoia, as well as a new website solely dedicated to conserving and promoting that mindset. If you really wish to share that mindset just to be able to feel insulted, then that's really your problem, and it would be quite symptomatical for that mindset.
I assume your chosen solution/interest refers to AmigaOS4 and whatever hardware that might eventually get AInc's pointless blessing. Then I'm happy to inform you that I haven't commented on that, because 1. products have nothing to do with the topic and 2. I'd like to be able to buy AmigaOS4 myself some day. (I won't elaborate on the absurdity of suggesting that inanimate computer products could be "insulted", not to mention that you seem to think that one should not be allowed to "deride" them in case someone would want to do that.)
YOU and those like you, are the reason we want a place free of this kind of crap, becuase if we stay here our points of view are contantly treated with the same respect as we have been shown in this thread. No civility, no tolerance, plenty of insults and "persecution" and no moderators doing thier job and putting a stop to it.
It's possible you have been fooled by the new site's posted paranoid delusions about "not being able to discuss [product X]" or "[site N] is all about the horrible [product Y] these days". Let me reiterate: Those things are quite simply and perfectly demonstrably untrue. Mikey_C, for example, isn't so widely disliked because he likes AmigaOS4 or wishes to discuss it and related topics. He shares those feelings with a very large part of the Amiga community, including me for crying out loud!
Mikey_C, and the new asylum he built, are disliked because of (among many other things) their total intolerance of differing OPINIONS on e.g. those topics.
Do you wish to discuss AmigaOS4 et c specifically? Well, there are several sites and sub-fora for that already. Any other notion cannot be based on reality, it might be best explained by paranoia and the infamous Amiga Persecution Complex. Be prepared, however, for that not all people on a normal forum will share the same opinions!
Do you wish to be protected from seeing different opinions on topics concerning AOS4 et c? Do you wish to never be contradicted as long as you agree with Mikey_C? Well, in that case Mikey's asylum seems to be perfect, and then you would have my sympathies.
What exactly should moderators put a stop to here? Are you being prevented from discussing AmigaOS without the evil Blue Conspiracy butting in with their constant off-topic advertisements again? People who vehemently dislike the new site should be free to state this in a thread about the new site, IMO.
You and people like you make it intolerable to stay,
How so? Let's see, you welcome the new site because, you claim, that you're unable to discuss your favourite topics elsewhere. Yup, that seems to be your stated reason. Now, how do I or anybody else prevent you from doing this?
Don't you rather mean "people disagree with me and/or AInc and/or a somehow affiliated commercial entity, and I can't accept that"?
Oh yeah, I don't really care if I insult the intolerant, the blind cheerleaders, the shills, the pied pipers, the blind fanatics or a company when I write what I think of them and their games. Now, why would YOU wish to include YOURSELF in any of those groups? Again, please remember this important distinction: Merely preferring and wishing to discuss AmigaOS is NOT the determinant for being part of any of those groups!
Quite frankly if this turns out to be the case, then the site will not likely survive.
Of course it won't, not in its current incarnation anyway. Look at AW.net, it eventually had to adapt to reality, maybe AInc pissed off enough members of staff one time too many so that the site finally got its priorities right (a "community portal" should let the interest of the users should go before arbitrarily chosen companies, not vice versa).
And then AW.net's Exodus I got many more followers than Mikey's Exodus II, and there was actually more AOS4-related news to discuss back then. When Exodus III happens (in a year?), the number of self-proclaimed "True Amigans"(TM) who will move to the next Petri dish to form a new vile bacterial colony will be even more pitiful (however more resistant to the "antibiotics" of the real world).
You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I have not seen evidence that this is true as yet.
You mean evidence of the site's real purpose and nature? Don't you know what the people who started the site are like, and how they have motivated this latest Exodus? Have you not read their hilarious terms of service, or Mikey's embarrassing "notice to new members"?
I'll give them credit for being at least somewhat more honest about their intentions with the site than AW.net was during Exodus I. They make it rather clear that they cannot be taken seriously; that only likeminded are welcome, that the site's purpose is circle-jerking and to provide advertising for dubious companies, and that Known Untermenschen and dissidents won't even be allowed to register. The site's name is as misleading as AmigaWorld.net used to be, though.
Anyway, just look at our two postings, which of us is the most intolerant, close minded, insulting and like to cause trouble?
That's right, I have no tolerance for their chosen and deliberate intolerance and close-mindedness and I won't feign any. :)
Trouble? People disagreeing and saying so is not trouble. Site managers calling disagreement and debate "trolling" is trouble.
I guess some people might feel that their intelligence is insulted by the thin and torn veil of innocence which you seem to be trying to place on the leproid face of that site. "All we want is a place to discuss AOS4 - come and join us", my a$$.
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@Seehund
:roll:
Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
@IonDeluxe
Just try to ignore him. Anyways, there are people here who are interested in OS4.
Implying that people who dislike the new site's fscked-uppedness or disagree with IonDeluxe are not "interested in OS4"?
Sigh...
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I've only been browsing these forums for a few months now but I can see why they would want to set up a new forum with strict moderation... It's blatantly obvious theres a small, vocal, and discruntaled minority of people that already feel the need to spread themselves over 3 forums that i know of.. and just generally try to create a bad atmosphere where they can.
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@Seehund
Ok, maybe I owe you an explanation ... the :roll: is because IMHO, you went a little overboard with the picture.
As for the note to IonDeluxe, he seemed to be a bit hot under the collar, and I wanted to reassure him that some other people here at amiga.org (including me) are interested in OS4.
To be honest, I wasn't aware that you were actually interested in OS4.
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Especially when then this group has shown intention to do harm to other sites?
I've totally missed that part of the conversation. Where is that spelled out? If it's true, I definitly don't agree with their intentions.
If there are specific attacks against a group that sound personal, let a mod know the specifics. Are we talking about comments on the need to have a segregated community site? People are going to have strong opinions on this, especially considering the method of the so called exodus. Or are we talking about outright personal insults?
Post #10 seemed a pretty clear shot. The majority may not agree, so as many suggest, I put it in perspective and move on.
method of exodus"
I've missed something maybe. Which method is offensive? Someone set up some new threads and began posting announcements for others to join. Was there more to it, or just more being made of it?
I see 'Exodus' is coming up in many threads. I don't see where they've abandoned other sites or harmed them in setting up the new site. Seems to me 'mass exodus' as a label used by those with an axe to grind with Mickey_C.
For me the new site is another chat room to explore. For those who want to comment/judge those running the site and their motives, I think that's valid. But my perception of some messages is the lumping the entire membership in to a zealot religous fanboy club. That would be incorrect and be promoting more devisiveness while claiming to abhore it.
I guess they've decided to exclude some old rivals from the new site and that has gotten under some skins. But every site does some banning I don't always agree with, so nothing new there I guess.
Plaz
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@Seehund: lmao@ur.avatar
"Let's see if that 'address' gets spammed..."
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I was only thinking the other day about the chance of Nazi references in a thread being proportional to its length seemed to be something that didn't affect Amiga.org and decided not to bring it up.
I stand corrected.
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@ Plaz
I've missed something maybe. Which method is offensive? Someone set up some new threads and began posting announcements for others to join. Was there more to it, or just more being made of it?
Yes there was more to it. Mikey C (and the few others) had a campaign going some weeks in advance to rally negative feelings about problems that in fact never even existed. It was done through polls and regular threads. In retroperspective, it was oriented towards a certain goal and it was done with great determination. Many untrue insults towards other sites and site admins was handed out to the left and to the right in the process (and it left scars, at least one good moderator (one of the best IMHO) resigned during this). Basicly they built up a virtual bad spirit and atmosphere that would help boosting their next step; initiating an exodus to their own site, where they even tried to put up shameless marketing on the very same site they just earlier *abused*, with the purpose of detracting people away from it (they also shamelessly leeched news-contents etc from it). I am glad that it doesn't seem to work. At least it does not work as good as it did the first time the same people did this.
That new site-that-shall-not-be-mentioned is not "pro" OS4, it is *against* everything else. It's not love-driven, it's hate-driven. Its purpose is not for the good of Amiga, it's about creating community split (the community is the only thing left on this platform that has any value, and a joint community is a prerequisite for any kind of future IMHO). It's a mean of enforcing "racism" (yes I do see many similarities to real life racism in those peoples views and actions) instead of unity; keeping the pure separated from the rest. It is not in good spirit, it's pure bad intent all the way through.
If you read between the lines, you may notice that there is a handful of hateful people that wants to "punish" and "strike back". Those are the people that started this new site. I know that "Atheist" is not the most suitable source in any case, but I believe he actually manage to put these feelings in words through his posts in threads like this (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/136093?page=1) for instance ("muahaha who is laughing *now*, this is what happens, I bet you are sorry for not listening to us before", etc).
And I think it's ironic that AW.net has become really peaceful (with the same amount of traffic and posts), while the new site-that-shall-not-be-mentioned seems to be the war-zone they believe exist "on the outside". I mean, is there a single thread over at that site that has not been moderated? And this only at 250 users? Imagine the situation if that would double!
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Another spat in the ever decreasing "Amiga community".
I think it is amusing for any part of the community to label any other part unstable when we're all clearly as mad as a brush to be hanging around the Amiga at all.
More proof that all the "Amiga community" does well anymore is vicious in-fighting.
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Looks like Amigans.net can be a great site.
Agreed much depends on the moderators but it's nice to find a site where OS4 is 98% of whats discussed.
Still AW.net, Amiga.org and Aiga-news.de will also be on top of my bookmarks but it's nice with a site that ONLY have OS4 as their area.
Don't get all this whining and intolerance towards the new site, all sites mentioned above complements each other for many people.
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you hav egot to laugh
First of all, thank you all for joining. We are very glad you came. Hopefully you'll stay too.
Couple of things I would like to share with you if I may.
1: This site is for the promotion and support of AmigaOS4 and beyond Only (inc assosciated hardware).
We will also support/welcome AOS3.x & Emulation users as well. (But not promote OS3.x for obvious reasons)
2: This site will NOT be an open house to other platforms.
I urge you all to read the Terms of Service on the LEFT to see that our Terms of Service here are very different to elsewhere.
3: Whilst this is a site geared towards OS4 and beyond, we will not tolerate the slagging off/putting down of other platforms or OS's on this webportal, nor individuals.
4: Trolls from other sites will not be welcome on this site, if anyone trolls on this site, action will be taken immediately. Do not try our patience as we have none.
5: We reserve the right as to who is allowed to use this site. Usage/Posting of this site is a privilage not a right. (See Terms of Service)
Finally, We ask each of you to tell any other OS4/OS3 user about the site and invite them onboard.
Do not feed the trolls elsewhere and do not post about this site on any other amiga related web portal.
If during the course of a forum discussion, someone asks where we are, pm them privately and tell them, as long as they meet our criteria, i.e. OS4/Classic/Emulation user, they are welcome
Thank you, enjoy this site.
my fav bit is, thought I dont know hoee theey will enforce it....
"Do not feed the trolls elsewhere and do not post about this site on any other amiga related web portal. " :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Still AW.net, Amiga.org and Aiga-news.de will also be on top of my bookmarks but it's nice with a site that ONLY have OS4 as their area.
To split hairs, not really... they have also AmigaOS3 and Amiga emulation as their area :-)
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Refrain from personal insults. f***tard is a personal insult.
Beside being trademarked by Polyhead... ;)
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@Troels
Agreed much depends on the moderators but it's nice to find a site where OS4 is 98% of whats discussed.
Hmm, let me see:
OS4-related: 531 posts
Classic/Emulation-related: 323 posts
Site-related/Other stuff: 771 posts
So OS4 is roughly about 33% of what's being discussed. :-D
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@itix:
To split hairs, not really... they have also AmigaOS3 and Amiga emulation as their area.
It's not about discussing OS4 at all - that's just a smokescreen.
What it is about - what it has always been about for those people - is the name! If it carries the "Amiga" name and is therefore blessed with official approval it's good, anything else - specially if it's seen as a direct alternative - is "undesirable", to use their own terminology. That's why there was so much venom directed at Amiga.org for allowing discussion on "non-approved" topics, and why AWN is now being accused of the same things AO was accused of when Mikey_C led his "exodus". Dogma and zealotry is at the heart of it, however much certain people protest. Tolerance cannot be tolerated.
Isn't it food for thought that the people who make most noise about wanting to get away from flamewars by starting their own forums always seem to be in the thick of it when flamewars start?
I wonder what would happen if all the leaders of the various factions got locked in a small room without food until they came to their senses and agreed a common solution they could all work towards... I suspect they'd all starve to death first.
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Yes there was more to it. Mikey C (and the few others) had a campaign going some weeks in advance to rally negative feelings about problems that in fact never even existed. It was done through polls and regular threads.
I'll have to disagree there. I've mentioned before that even I had become annoyed with AW threads. Would I be including in the in the group imagining what never existed?
I read many of those recent treads and participated in some. Sure there was the usual disagreement and camp sentiment, but to say it was a new planned campain is your own speculation. There had been talk of an alternate portal long before this. There have been public postings in threads on the topic and probably many PM's on the subject. I was included in some PM's, but I wasn't aware a site had been planned and built. Some folks just finally got worked up enough to finally jump ship. The rest seems to be just conspiracy theory for me.
I mean, is there a single thread over at that site that has not been moderated?
Yup, I've been modded. First time ever I think. The difference is they are not leaving the modded posts on the thread. My post and others were totally deleted as off-topic. So visitors can't see the modded post if they no longer exist. Can't say I agree with that, but it's their house, so when I visit it's their rules.
handful of hateful people that wants to "punish" and "strike back"
True in any group, town, city, state, country, planet. Don't act suprised.
And I think it's ironic that AW.net has become really peaceful
The people you parry with most are frequenting some where else and the quietness is ironic?
Clear fact is there are those on both sides who will not agree, continue to argue, and are probably best left with a buffer between them. I also wish others slinging insults and exagerations both directions would give it a rest. Fat chance.
Plaz
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Why so much negativity towards the new site? Maybe this site is what MorphZone is for MorphOS.. a site 95% concentrated to one OS.
Whats wrong with that?
fixed typo
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Redrumloa said:
Just for the record, discussion of other platforms and Ami* like solutions besides MorphOS is allowed on MorphZone.
Allowed, not encouraged ;-)
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Poster: hooligan Posted: 2006/12/6 10:44:46
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Redrumloa said:
Just for the record, discussion of other platforms and Ami* like solutions besides MorphOS is allowed on MorphZone.
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Allowed, not encouraged
Yup, but allowed. Also Targgy doesn't preemptively ban users and hack/slash moderate as site policy.
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I'm sure he would if things started getting out of hand.
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@hooligan:
Why so much negativity towards the new site? Maybe this site it what MorphZone is for MorphOS.. a site 95% concentrated to one OS.
Whats wrong with that?
Nothing - except that it's exactly what AWN was supposed to be. Yes, AWN has changed and the zealots have left their positions of power but why is that?
Could it be that the vast majority of people get tired of the taste of each others bum-holes after a while and look for some lively discussion, debate and fresh ideas?
The zealots feel that the "Book of Amiga" is like the Bible to Christians or the Qur'an to Muslims, its teachings inviolate and unchanging. Fresh ideas that may not originate from approved sources are seen as heretical and subversive. The failure of doctrine to yield results is down to bad luck or sabotage by evil adversaries, not because the doctrine is faulty to start with. Never let it be hinted at that the leadership may be inept or out of touch with reality - that's akin to sheer sacrilege.
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I've totally missed that part of the conversation. Where is that spelled out? If it's true, I definitly don't agree with their intentions.
Atheist's and TrollieWallie's posts on Moobunny are a good indication, they are both members. A few other people have been doing exactly the same on IRC.
I have to stress this: I have no problem with the existence of the site at all, if some people want OS4 only discussions, fair enough, it's fine. Saying that, I find no reason for them to support classics or emulation users at all, I don't think that anyone ever got flamed on AW or A.org when talking about classics, by any faction. It defeats the site's purpose, IMHO.
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>Nothing - except that it's exactly what AWN was supposed to be. Yes, AWN has changed and the zealots have left their positions of power but why is that?
Ok so there is no problem, right.
And all those who speak about splits.. in a sense its true. I can see it in my baheviour even.. if I post something about something in ann.lu, a.org, mos-news.de or mz.org, I am very unlikely to do a crosspost.
On the other hand, if the userbase is so small not to be able take this, does it even deserve to live? May be at that point its time to say game over and turn off the lights.
But it has not happened yet. I myself will not be participating or reading the new forum as it offers me zero, but I wish them good luck. Maybe they will take over a.org or aw.net at some point.
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@AmiGR
I think your missing the point a bit there AmiGR. I think the point they're incorperating Workbench 3.0 etc is because it is the last official release before 4.0. No other reason. They'll then be able to help people migrate from 3.0 to 4.0 if people need help.
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I think your missing the point a bit there AmiGR. I think the point they're incorperating Workbench 3.0 etc is because it is the last official release before 4.0. No other reason. They'll then be able to help people migrate from 3.0 to 4.0 if people need help
If they are helping people migrate to OS4, they are supporting OS4, not OS3.1 or the classics. This is understandable. But as I said, I do not see why they would need to support the classics just like that. There are quite a few sites for the classics and everything else, the only thing missing was an AmigaOS4 only website.
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Atheist's and TrollieWallie's posts on Moobunny
You always have to concider the source. I'm not aware they have an official capacity at amigans.net. To say the new site it "out to get some one or damages some thing" based on a few vocal members is a stretch. There's always a small vocal group who likes to stir things up no matter the community.
Time, actions and reputation of the site will tell in short time if it's a help or hinderance. I'll wait to see.
Plaz
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I've totally missed that part of the conversation. Where is that spelled out? If it's true, I definitly don't agree with their intentions.
And not to forget, it even got spelled out (http://amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=517#forumpost517) by one of the "Amigan defenders" and co-founders of the website himself, Mikey_C. He slagged off other websites and even got moderated for that on Amigans (!). :lol:
Before, he did everything to badmouth AW.net, accusing their webmaster for being bribed by bbrv and other hilarious stuff.
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Posted: 2006/12/5 14:27:27
AmiGR Wrote:
I have no problem with this site's existence but I have a huge problem with the fact that I and other moderators have been receiving torrents of abuse from certain members.
Hi AmiGR,
I suppose you mean me as being one of them. Well, we've often locked horns after and before you became a moderator. Abuse is BS because I was responding to abuse from you, in fact.
AmiGR Wrote:
Those members are very well known trolls that got the boot from AW.net for a very good reason that has nothing to do with being red, blue or pink with black spots for that matter, but it seems that that reason got lost in the sands of time...
Sorry, depends which side of the looking glass you're on on that one. Besides, analyzing the matter, you (w/c)ould see that _I am not a troll_. It's who starts the fracas that IS the troll.
I didn't get booted from AmigaWorld.Net because I got the hell out of there. If you want to tell the truth, explain why approx. 20 "Blue Troll Brigaders" are still there.
Oh and, how come Rogue's account has'nt been erased yet. He's requested that it is. Is it a hallucination of their's that his brother and he don't feel welcome there anymore? (Heck! Long ago, really.)
AmiGR Wrote:
and they got allowed into that website even if trolls aren't supposed to be welcome there.
Have'nt got a clue as to what you're talking about here. I think you're hallucinating now.
You know, they did give ironfist the iron boot. A troll was kept out.
The system works...
:-D
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A troll was kept out. The system works...
Nope, it doesn't. The biggest troll known to mankind still has an account there: you :lol:
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Posted: 2006/12/6 8:29:35
AmiGR wrote:
Atheist's and TrollieWallie's posts on Moobunny are a good indication, they are both members.
Hi AmiGR,
Oh my dear fellow; my "AmigaWorld.Net Is Dying!!!111!!1!!" thread on MooBunny is an observation, not an assault on AW.N.
AmiGR wrote:
I have to stress this: I have no problem with the existence of the site at all, if some people want OS4 only discussions, fair enough, it's fine.
Very pragmatic, fine.
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Saying that, I find no reason for them to support classics or emulation users at all, I don't think that anyone ever got flamed on AW or A.org when talking about classics, by any faction. It defeats the site's purpose, IMHO.[/quote]
It's true that no one attacks classic and emulator users, and it should be that way as almost ALL of us were that in the past.
No problem.
As to why it supports them? Well, AOS is AOS, all the way down to AOSx.xx > 0.
We support ALL AOS versions.
Why should anyone looking for AOS info need to go anywhere else?
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I suppose you mean me as being one of them. Well, we've often locked horns after and before you became a moderator. Abuse is BS because I was responding to abuse from you, in fact.
You were? Could you please point to all of us that abuse, right here and right now? I mean, if I've posted so much abuse over the years while you have not, how come do I have a single abuse report on AW.net while you had {bleep}loads before you *got the boot*?
Sorry, depends which side of the looking glass you're on on that one. Besides, analyzing the matter, you (w/c)ould see that _I am not a troll_. It's who starts the fracas that IS the troll.
Oh poor you, you are no troll, that's why most major flamewars on AmigaWorld.net were started and sustained by you and this is also why AW.net has been so much more peaceful after you *got the boot*.
I didn't get booted from AmigaWorld.Net because I got the hell out of there. If you want to tell the truth, explain why approx. 20 "Blue Troll Brigaders" are still there.
Because unlike you, they do not attack other users. Some of them are annoying, indeed. Others are trolling and get moderated. All of them, unlike you, special boy, stick with the Terms and Conditions of AmigaWorld.net and since we are no dictators, we cannot go on and ban people unless if they infringe that. The ones that have *did* get banned.
You asked for your account to be deleted but since under the new TOS, bans are escalating and since you would never stop with that abuse, the next action would not had been a moderation, it would had been a permanent ban, so yes, you did essentially get the boot and just avoided getting it officially by asking for the deletion of your account.
I point everyone to this (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/134978.shtml) thread to see who is trolling and who is not.[/u]
Oh and, how come Rogue's account has'nt been erased yet. He's requested that it is. Is it a hallucination of their's that his brother and he don't feel welcome there anymore? (Heck! Long ago, really.)
Oh, you're following AW.net then, aren't you? Naughty naughty... Rogue will have to answer this question for you not me. He has posted *after* that request so I think that that gives you a hint.
Have'nt got a clue as to what you're talking about here. I think you're hallucinating now.You know, they did give ironfist the iron boot. A troll was kept out.
The system works...
Oh, I'm going to cherish the day you're gonna go to far and get banned from there as well... You are like a timebomb, you will troll at some point and that will get you kicked out.
As for the system, if the "system" means kicking out everyone you don't like, sure, it always worked. It doesn't mean that it's desirable in a civilised society. As much as I would love to give some people the iron boot myself, I'm no dictator and my personal opinion cannot be used against any person while in "the seat of power" (in quotes because it's more like the seat of our own torment).
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Oh my dear fellow; my "AmigaWorld.Net Is Dying!!!111!!1!!" thread on MooBunny is an observation, not an assault on AW.N.
It is? Oh, I will let people who read that thread decide that. Your very first post was wrong, for example, the membership fell because we deleted accounts that have been inactive for QUITE a long time. Those accounts included mostly users with no or less than 10 posts. The rest of the thread is plain abuse.
As to why it supports them? Well, AOS is AOS, all the way down to AOSx.xx > 0.
Classic Amigas have Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net.
Oh, while I'm at it, why not post this (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/136123.shtml) as well? This was the ultimate trolling thread from you, not the other one.
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@Atheist
""A troll was kept out.
The system works...""
Well, at least 3 trolls got in, so I'm not convinced...
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Let's put an end to this right now please. I admit that my personal bias in the situation has played a hand in my lack of inspiration to motivate here.
I can only ask that you accept that considering Mikey C intentionally orchestrated the last "exodus" against Amiga.org, thereby trying to divide the struggling community, he's earned a special place in my heart, right at the top mixed in with all the frothy bits (and the frost-bitten remains of KennyR).
I shouldn't have let this thread get so out of control though, and that affected you guys, and I'm sorry for my inattention.
If we can just cut the shyte and get back to ignoring Mikey C and his little imperialistic delusions, that would be great.
Wayne
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No offence Wayne, but thats a bit of a petty response. Even if Mikey C has created his own exodus as you call it, it takes more than just Mikey for it to make any difference in the community, other people have to share his views too. He can't tell anyone what to do, and i'm certainly not a member there because i'm a follower of his or I worship him as people seem to think goes on around here. The sole reason i'm a member there is because I also thought that there is way too much bickering at places like Amigaworld, mainly created by a small number of people who, from my own observations, also seem to hang around a site called moobunny alot.
By saying what you just said, you are also insulting me for joining up with the new site, and i dont like that.
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tomazkid,
Well, at least 3 trolls got in, so I'm not convinced...
I thought I knew which three you were referring to until I realized you were probably including Atheist, in which case I'm probably thinking of an entirely different group of three people! So maybe at least six...
It's still a great site! :-)
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neon32,
Even if Mikey C has created his own exodus as you call it, it takes more than just Mikey for it to make any difference in the community, other people have to share his views too. He can't tell anyone what to do...
Ah, but he *CAN* tell people what to do now. You don't see the difference?
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Ah, but he *CAN* tell people what to do now. You don't see the difference?
Your not getting my point..
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I like both OSes and I never felt confident with all those dedicated portals popping out of nowhere and spending their time bashing each other's party.
What really makes me uncomfortable with those sites is that their very existence makes it sound like AO is not a real or legitimate Amiga/MorphOS portal. I registered on each of them out of a vague sense of community, but AO is like a safe haven to me: the very last portal entirely and unbiasedly dedicated to everything "Amiga".
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Little Red Riding Hood came to find 3 Amiga portals. The first was too cold, the next too hot, finally she found the one that was just right.
:-D
Plaz
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Hi AmiGR,
It seems we shouldn't continue our debate here, but that's okay, as you lost, anyhow.
Hi Plaz,
Often, you DO have a (good) way with words, you do. :-)