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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: x56h34 on October 20, 2003, 05:02:59 AM
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...I think... :-) Check it out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2760257273&category=4598
Just look at the description of the item. :-)
So it seems that he does own some "toy" hardware. ;-)
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Looks like his work.
This guy is a real con!
We will probably hear of some real unhappy ebay users real soon now.
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"The 68030 and 68882 are military-spec ICs"
Hehe, and it's from beaverton.
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To x56h34:
So it seems that he does own some "toy" hardware.
Yes, that is my auction. No, I do not own any "toy" hardware, I only sell the Amiga 1200 crap. :-D
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To iamaboringperson:
This guy is a real con!
No, I am NOT a con !
We will probably hear of some real unhappy ebay users real soon now.
Just look at my feedback ! :-P
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To jeffimix:
"The 68030 and 68882 are military-spec ICs"
Yes, these ICs are military spec. The newer versions of these same chips have plastic bodies with tin legs and heatsink. :roll:
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Unfortunately, just because something is made out of ceramic and has gold legs does not make it Military Grade. As a matter of fact most Military IC's are plastic. Ever heard of MTP? Mil-Temp PLASTIC?
Have you ever heard of MIL-STD-883B? It's a standard that must be met for a chip to be "Military Grade"
The part needs to be assembled to MIL-STD-883B standard.
The part needs to go through reliability screening of the MIL-STD-883B standard.
They have to be tested to handle extreme temperatures from -55 to 125 degrees C. And where the temperatures are extreme and the humidity is high, chips have to be MTH Mil-Temp Hermetic.
And it goes on and on... There is a process the chips have to go through. They have to be tested and proven to work in extreme conditions. They have many many many requirements to meet. You don't just get to gold plate some pins and assume the Military would use it for chr1st sakes!!
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To amigaguy:
Just who do you think you are talking too? I know all this stuff already. I just happen to be a Class 4 Electronics Assembler. I have worked on Top Secret military contracts, so I know what I am talking about. Anyway, the type of mil spec I am talking about is an electronics assembly spec. It has nothing to do with the military. There are 3 classifications of electronics assembly. They are Consumer Spec, Military Spec and Weapons Spec. Stuff that is produced for the military actually falls under the Weapons Spec catagory. :roll:
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LMFAO
:roflmao:
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Just who do you think you are talking too? I know all this stuff already. I just happen to be a Class 4 Electronics Assembler.
Don't you think it's about time you stopped throwing around your job title like it has some sort of meaning?
Electronics Assembly is a entry level job that requires no more than a highschool diploma and the ability to follow directions.
If you really knew your beans about electronics, you wouldn't be an assembler.
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@ DoomMaster
how are Mr Bush? and his wife? have you felt him today by phone? greets to me too. :-D
Cheers
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Ok, Ok, I understand the Military Spec thing is a bit of a running battle, but why should you suppose that he is dishonest regarding his auctions? Its wrong for you to assume that 'he is a con', you should know better than to make such assumptions - have you ever bought anything from him? Have you ever heard from anyone who has?
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@boringperson:
This guy is a real con!
We will probably hear of some real unhappy ebay users real soon now.
That is really wrong of you to say that!
Just because you do not agree with his views does not give you the right to accuse him of being an eBay 'con'. How do you know how honest a trader he is?
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This guy is a real con!
We will probably hear of some real unhappy ebay users real soon now.
No, I just looked his feedback, and he is very good at what he is doing.
Go Doomy, GO! :pint: (He really RoX ;-) )
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@ Doomster :- I have worked on Top Secret military contracts, so I know what I am talking about
Top secret? Hmm maybe you shouldnt be telling us that. Top secret WB 2.1 installs HAHAHA
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Its wrong for you to assume that 'he is a con', you should know better than to make such assumptions
Telling people that he has mil-spec chips is a lie. I don't understand how you cannot see a problem with that. It's obviously false advertising.
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In any case I still reckon that Doomy kix ass! :-D
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@DoomMaster
Yes, these ICs are military spec. The newer versions of these same chips have plastic bodies with tin legs and heatsink.
MC68030UM.pdf (http://e-www.motorola.com/files/32bit/doc/ref_manual/MC68030UM.pdf), 14-2, 14-4 (http://e-www.motorola.com/files/32bit/doc/package_info/MC68030RC.pdf), Pin Grid Array (PGA) (RC suffix).
This is your military spec?
If so, you define all PGA ceramic packages military spec? Enlighten us, you mighty engineer!
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@iamaboringperson:
I would appreciate that if you quote me, you could actually quote and not paraphrase.
Secondly, the statement may be misleading on the 'mil-spec' stuff. The truth is I don't know and really DON'T CARE. I suspect most people buying Amiga expansions are not really taking that into account anyway. I would be surprised if this were a major selling point.
It really just looks like a personal attack. I don't buy into any of that mil-spec stuff either, but you should attack the point and not the person.
My point is that there are limitations on what you can blindly accuse people of...
If what he is saying is incorrect, then chances are he is mistaken more than out to con people.
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If what he is saying is incorrect, then chances are he is mistaken more than out to con people.
What he is saying is incorrect.
He has been corrected dozens of times, but he still insist he is right (when he is not).
These chips are not military spec of any kind, just normal BGA ceramic packaging used in a LOT of perfectly normal chips.
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Speaking of ceramic packages and gold pins, I snapped a rather neat pic of a couple of 68040s last night. With a little postprocessing it came out pretty dang neat.
http://www.danamania.com/temp/gold040s.jpg
dana (only very very vaguely on topic :)
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This guy is a real con!
I have no clue if he is correct about the mil-spec stuff, though I find it funny as hell :lol:
But to be completely honest he has a fantastic feedback rating. So "con" might be a bit too strong.
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Yeh Doomy is a mixed up dude, I think "con" is the wrong word to describe him though.
@ldanamania
nice pic
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danamania wrote:
Speaking of ceramic packages and gold pins, I snapped a rather neat pic of a couple of 68040s last night. With a little postprocessing it came out pretty dang neat.
http://www.danamania.com/temp/gold040s.jpg
dana (only very very vaguely on topic :)
Kinda neat picture! Think I´m gonna save it in my backdrops drawer... :)
So I guess the purple one is the military-grade one? :-D
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@Piru
Fair enough.
I don't reckon it's correct either, but since I don't actually know for sure, I took the less aggressive option.
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Kinda neat picture! Think I´m gonna save it in my backdrops drawer... :)
There's a higher res version at http://www.danamania.com/temp/cpupins.jpg - feel free to use any/either how you like. The larger one looks a little overprocessed though.
The cpus are both about the same ceramic and colour irl, but the one laying flat picked up the blue hue from the monitor sitting about 2ft to the left of the pic, I think - the other picked up the room light which is decidedly warmer! dana
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> Just who do you think you are talking too?
(lol!)
> I know all this stuff already. I just happen to be a Class 4
> Electronics Assembler.
A solder jockey?
Isn't that an entry level job? Not that there's anything wrong with that, we all start somewhere, but it's hardly engineering. (I thought you were a computer teacher or something?)
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I am bored to tears of hearing about mil-spec.
Doomy, you're worse than the gun-slingers, waving your soldering iron around like a penile extension :lol:
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Nice work dana, look more like a rendered scene than a photo. You should make a tutorial on how to produce photos like these (very useful for advertising, e-bay items etc.)
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Yes, that is my auction. No, I do not own any "toy" hardware, I only sell the Amiga 1200 crap.
As he said its crap so dont bid on it .Of course the a2000/1500 is the best amiga ever despite the fact most people give them away like i did and there worth nothing.
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From Doomy's M1230 ebay description:
Very nice board, I was tempted to keep it for myself.
From his post in this thread:
I only sell the Amiga 1200 crap.
which one is right Doomy?
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@ Steady
@iamaboringperson:
I would appreciate that if you quote me, you could actually quote and not paraphrase.
I think you'll find he was quoting me directly, not paraphrasing you
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To Madgun68:
Don't you think it's about time you stopped throwing around your job title like it has some sort of meaning?
It does have meaning. It means that I do know what I am talking about when it comes to electronic assembly specs and electronic parts.
Electronics Assembly is a entry level job that requires no more than a highschool diploma and the ability to follow directions.
A Class 1 Electronics Assembler is an entry level job, a Class 4 is not. It takes many years of experience and many years of special training and schooling to become a Class 4 Electronics Assembler. Only Class 4 Electronic Assemblers can work on Medical Equipment or Military Contracts. A Class 4 Electronic Assembler can also exercise Line-Coordinator and Management duties. So no, a Class 4 Electronics Assembler is NOT an entry level position.
If you really knew your beans about electronics, you wouldn't be an assembler.
I do have a degree in Electronics and I am a Technician and Engineers Assistant. But, because most technicians are boring geeks, I actually prefer doing electronics assembly, I think that it is more fun. I am very good at what I do, perhaps I am one of the best electronics assemblers in the world. I take great pride in being half English and half German and it shows in the quality of my workmanship. I won an award for doing outstanding work in the electronics field. I also won a Quality Workmanship Award from Fujitsu (a Japanese company). I think that Europe has much higher quality standards then Americans. So, I constantly live up to my European Heritage by doing European quality workmanship. :-D
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To Cyberus:
Thanks ! :-D
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To Steady:
Thanks ! :-D
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To Cass:
Thanks ! :-D
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To Bodie_CI5:
Thanks ! :-D
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"I do have a degree in Electronics "
do you have a degree in #### too?
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To danamania:
COOL PICTURE ! I am using it as my background on my PeeCee. :-D
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danamania wrote:
Speaking of ceramic packages and gold pins, I snapped a rather neat pic of a couple of 68040s last night. With a little postprocessing it came out pretty dang neat.
http://www.danamania.com/temp/gold040s.jpg
dana (only very very vaguely on topic :)
That is indeed high quality pr0n!
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@DoomMaster
Care to answer my questions?
What difference do these "Military Spec" PGA ceramic packages have with normal PGA ceramic packages (RC suffix) as explained in MC68030UM section 14?
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I think that it is more fun. I am very good at what I do, perhaps I am one of the best electronics assemblers in the world. I take great pride in being half English and half German and it shows in the quality
You say your very good and thats what i call big headed.Thank god your only half english that makes me feel better. :-D
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DoomMaster
Good auction!, rock on!,.... dont let the negative stuff get to ya :)
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I've got some high quality pr0n involving your mother and a donkey - I use that as my backdrop
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To meerschaum:
Thanks. I have more stuff up on eBay for the Amiga 1200 and 600 computers. Check it out. :-D
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HAHAAH! Too funny. That accel card on ebay, its what I have for my Amiga 1200. I dont have the military spec FPU, but the cpu is military. :-D :-D
oh well, its funny how doomy is.
@cyberus
AHAAHAHAAHAHAA, that was funny man. we need more comments like yours. :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Okay, this is just one big personal attack at DoomMaster. So, I'm locking this thread. Don't like that he's calling chips mil spec? Tough, prove him wrong. Same for you DoomMaster. I'd like to see actual documentation that stated what is Military spec, something we can all look up and verify. This has gone on long enough and is getting old so lets end it.
I've also seen is eBay feedback, very good. Better than most I deal with.