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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: Corrie on October 20, 2003, 02:57:26 AM

Title: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Corrie on October 20, 2003, 02:57:26 AM
I am running an A4000T, Cyberstorm MKIII 68060 @ 66Mhz, 128Mb Ram, CybervisionPPC 8Mb Gfx Card, SCSI HD.

After buying Quake II, I found it crashed alot before loading, until I sorted out a few things and it seems stable now.

I am running it in a fullscreen 16bit 640x480 screenmode and the game is absolutely great! I even experimented with a fullscreen 16bit 1024x768 screenmode and to my disbelief, it RAN VERY PLAYABLE! Slightly jerky however quite responsive. I am using miniGL also...

Can someone tell me how I can see the fps in Quake II? I would like to record the different speeds of the screenmodes.

I wonder if Heretic II etc would have worked on a 68060 and CybervisionPPC card?


Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: KennyR on October 20, 2003, 02:59:08 AM
Open the console and type "timerefresh" (without quotes) to get the fps.
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Karlos on October 20, 2003, 03:05:19 AM
timedemo is a better benchmark, it returns the average fps for the whole demo, including sound , events etc.. Timerefresh is location dependent and will vary all over the place.

-edit-

Incidentally, I might expect Quake 2 to be faster even than Quake 1 for several reasons

1) It was designed from the ground up with OpenGL in mind, GLQuake was reall more of a hack...

2) It doesnt run a virtual machine for the game code. Quake 1 ran a portable binary code compiled from 'quake c' that was interpreted by the engine. Was a neat idea, but not the fastest solution

3) The hyperion port is well polised, they also wrote the GL implementation it uses and have a good familiarity with the techniques used having already ported Heretic2 first.
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: KennyR on October 20, 2003, 03:23:23 AM
All the same, I think the 060 version will be lucky to push past 10fps in 640x480x16. But we'll soon see.
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: samo79 on October 20, 2003, 03:45:03 AM
Incredible !!
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Corrie on October 20, 2003, 03:57:19 AM
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KennyR wrote:
All the same, I think the 060 version will be lucky to push past 10fps in 640x480x16. But we'll soon see.


640x480x16 time refresh 5.627000 seconds (22.747467 fps)

800x600x16 time refresh 6.385000 seconds (20.046986 fps)

1024x768x16 time refresh 15.511999 seconds (8.251677 fps)

Definately over 10 fps! As I said it is a dream to play!
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: KennyR on October 20, 2003, 04:16:58 AM
Well, looks like the 3D hardware takes most of the load. :-)
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Ilwrath on October 20, 2003, 04:39:49 AM
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640x480x16 time refresh 5.627000 seconds (22.747467 fps)


heh...  I guess it depends on what your definition of "runs like a dream" is...  22fps for a 66mhz machine is pretty impressive, though.  I'd highly doubt the old 133mhz Toshiba laptop I have could run it that well.  

Thanks for the posting.  :-)
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Matt_H on October 20, 2003, 04:40:04 AM
That's very good news!

Sadly, I don't think my Z2 CV3D could handle this. I'll invest in AmigaQuake2 once I get OS4 for my A1.

Most recent Amiga games have been beyond my system specs. I can't wait to play with the newer ones! (Heretic 2, Quake 2, WipeOut, Quake and Payback at Hi-Res, etc)
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: A3KOne on October 20, 2003, 04:47:50 AM
I dunno about FPS, but WipeOut ran smooth as glass on my old A4000 PPC setup.

40fps maybe?
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Hooligan_DCS on October 20, 2003, 05:01:19 AM
Yesterday I ran ADoomMOS for fun just to see it works. It's pretty funny to see detailed textures in 800x600 screenmode, while having all objects some blurry collection of pixels :)
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Matt_H on October 20, 2003, 05:08:13 AM
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I'd highly doubt the old 133mhz Toshiba laptop I have could run it that well.


No, believe it or not, it probably could! From the PC box:
Requires 90Mhz Pentium, 133Mhz recommended.

I remember running Quake2 on my old 166MHz PC very nicely. I think I was limited to 320x240 for any decent speed, but it was definitely playable.
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Amiga1200PPC on October 20, 2003, 05:18:46 AM
Hi Matt_H,

playing Payback on Pegasos or "AmigaOne" is not possible, because it's banging the Paula.
I already wrote to that guy, but atm he doesn't feel like making an AHI update.
Write emails concerning an AHI update to that guy so that he considers writing an update, please.
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: kd7ota on October 20, 2003, 05:52:40 AM
Not to be a pain in the @$$, but...

I installed Quake II on my peecee, and it runs smoothly 60fps at 1024x768 ;)

I dunno yet how to do an FPS test.  :-D
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Amiga1200PPC on October 20, 2003, 06:34:42 AM
This thread is about running the Quak on 680x0, not on PC you nitwit.
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: DoomMaster on October 20, 2003, 07:06:17 AM
To Corrie:

Yea, but Quake II runs much better on my Pentium 4 PC computer, its native platform.  I run Quake II in 1024 X 768 at full speed and no jerkyness at all.  CD quality sound too!     :-D
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Ohno on October 20, 2003, 07:36:31 AM
@Wishmaster

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playing Payback on Pegasos or "AmigaOne" is not possible, because it's banging the Paula.


Maybe sound won't work, but I saw Payback being played on an AmigaOne/AOS4 on the Benelux Amiga Show. So it must be possible  :-P
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: Hooligan_DCS on October 20, 2003, 07:39:47 AM
I have also heard Payback works on Pegasos without sound. haven't tested myself
Title: Re: Quake II - Runs like a dream on 68060!
Post by: JetRacer on October 20, 2003, 08:43:30 AM
You know what?

I run Q2 at full framrate on my Parhelia in 2048x1536 with x16 antialias and anisotropic filtering. But don't let that stop anyone :-)

Q2 runs faster than both Q1 and Q3 (on x86).
I doubt it will run any slower on either A1 nor Pegasos (with the right gfx board).