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Title: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 18, 2003, 11:31:25 PM: Hi All

try this awesome 32 bit with trasparency icon patch, for OS 3.5-3.9 and MOS with WB..

PowerIcons (http://www.elena-fractals.it/Downloads/PowerIcons.lha) by Elena Novaretti

Great work, Elena :-)

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: amipal on October 19, 2003, 12:15:50 AM: Has anybody tried these?
I'm unable to view them as I'm surfing on my AmigaOne... The irony! :-o
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 12:22:36 AM: @amipal

yes! they looks great! but requires a very fast machine (a Pegasos-MOS with WB or OS35-39 under emulation)

I don't know if a 060 should be enough.

Anyway, a great patch.

Ciao
.
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: buzz on October 19, 2003, 12:24:43 AM: Seems quite fast enough on my 060.. opening the example drawer only took a few seconds.
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 12:32:07 AM: @buzz

yes with my 040 also (only opening the example drawer)

But with the patch installed, all the GFX system, slowdown. (try to scroll a window full of GlowIcons).

Definitely, a great patch for a very fast system.

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Dietmar on October 19, 2003, 12:48:15 AM: >Seems quite fast enough on my 060.. opening the example drawer only took a few seconds

Oh. You are very economical with the smiley.
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: buzz on October 19, 2003, 12:58:40 AM: Quote
yes with my 040 also (only opening the example drawer)

But with the patch installed, all the GFX system, slowdown. (try to scroll a window full of GlowIcons).

Definitely, a great patch for a very fast system.

Scrolling is a bit slow. as was with ghosty installed. but still useable. And how often do you really scroll wb windows. most of the time you have them snapshotted so things are all in view right ?
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: buzz on October 19, 2003, 01:00:53 AM: well. it wasnt a joke. I can see how it could be, but that drawer is really packed wiht icons. The speed difference between the png's and large standard glowicons isnt that significant.

I was just using MagicWB earlier on my a500. Now that was slow... :-) (In todays measurements)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Cass on October 19, 2003, 01:40:16 AM: So is there any good icon collection out there that I can dload? (URL plz)

bel lavoro Elena ;)
________
Weedtracker (http://dispensaries.org/)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Karlos on October 19, 2003, 02:09:20 AM: I shall be giving this one a spin :-)

I guess the limiting factor on 680x0 RTG based systems would most probably be the gfx bus speed, which I know from my own experiments is not that that hot.
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Kent on October 19, 2003, 06:51:00 AM: Elena Novaretti is my new best friend...

THANK YOU!

While I would love to see a 2nd image supported it's nice that I can finally use 32bit icons on my workbench and even dopus. The only thing I would love to see removed is that horrid "shortcut" arrow or an option to take it out. If I'm missing something in the settings then I'll find it eventually. Very slick and quite well done.

:pint:
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: cockney_dave on October 19, 2003, 10:49:31 AM: Works very nicely on my A1200 060 with Mediator and Voodoo 3, didn't notice a slow down at all with the examples drawer, in fact was suprised by how quick they loaded, sure they were faster than an equivalent drawer of large-ish glow icons :-o .

Going to hunt for some PNG icons now...
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 11:07:02 AM: @Cass

some URLs on the docs :-)

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 11:13:03 AM: @Kent

Elena uses ImageFX (see the header of each file), so if you load the PNG icon in it, you should be able to remove the arrow (i'll try me too).

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: carls on October 19, 2003, 11:43:23 AM: How about a Screenshot?
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: moood on October 19, 2003, 11:49:03 AM: Maybe someone can make a screenshot with Powericons with this (http://amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=465) or this (http://amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=420) picture in the background and put it in the amiga.org image section?

Please? Someone?!? :-D
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 11:51:10 AM: @ carls

mhhh . . i'd prefer to ask to Elena before :-) she is a bit . . . .gelous of its works even if it is public from yesterday evening even on Aminet..

Can't you download the archive and install it? or you haven't OS3.5-3.9?

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: moood on October 19, 2003, 11:57:37 AM: @Framiga

A simple screenshot can't upset anyone, right?!?

Why should she even mind? :-?
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: lempkee on October 19, 2003, 01:22:08 PM: works perfectly on my os3.9bb2..

very cool , anyway to all who wants a screenshot, unpack the archive and go to examples dir..

sweet! :D
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Cyberus on October 19, 2003, 01:29:50 PM: @ moood

Cool avatar!!!
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: lempkee on October 19, 2003, 01:44:06 PM: it doesnt work in Dopus mag 2 5.82 .. its ok in os3.9bb2.
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: moood on October 19, 2003, 01:45:49 PM: Quote
Cyberus wrote:
Cool avatar!!!
Thanks! :-D
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Karlos on October 19, 2003, 02:07:44 PM: Kicks ass, even if a little slow on my 040 :-)

I already sent my suggestions ;-)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Mad-Matt on October 19, 2003, 02:11:54 PM: It really is a great patch. I can now view all my 256c coloricons in there full glory ;) It does seemto slow my wb down somewhat on my 040, but i can live with it ;) incidently the png icons them selvs seem to load faster then the default glow icons on my system. id say the png icons are rendering pretty much the same speed as newicons under os39.
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 02:28:06 PM: Quote
by moood on 2003/10/19 12:57:37

@Framiga

A simple screenshot can't upset anyone, right?!?

Why should she even mind?

I've just uploaded a window shot under AOrg "Workbench Screenshot" section but i can't find it!!

is it normal?

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: moood on October 19, 2003, 02:39:22 PM: Quote

Framiga wrote:

I've just uploaded a window shot under AOrg "Workbench Screenshot" section but i can't find it!!

is it normal?

I haven't uploaded anything to the Amiga.org image library so I'm not sure. Sounds a bit weird though.

Maybe the uploaded pictures must be moderated or something... :-?
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Karlos on October 19, 2003, 02:41:36 PM: I think they probably are - it woudln't do for people to upload anything obscence and what not.

Anything I ever uploaded took anywhere from 5 minutes to a day to appear...
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: moood on October 19, 2003, 02:45:36 PM: @ Framiga
Btw thanks! :-)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 02:51:26 PM: Quote
by Karlos on 2003/10/19 15:41:36

I think they probably are - it woudln't do for people to upload anything obscence and what not.

Anything I ever uploaded took anywhere from 5 minutes to a day to appear...

yes, i think so too.

Anyway, the screenshot of the PowerIcons Example Drawer, should be available in the AOrg "Workbench screenhot" section, as soon as . . .bhooo!!

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 03:01:52 PM: @ lempkee

not, as reported by the docs, if the icon.library is already patched, PowerIcons will not works.

By the way . . about the small arrow, it is not inside the PNG image, and it is impossible to remove it (AFAIK it is part of the hack during icon dragging).

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: carls on October 19, 2003, 03:03:36 PM: The reason I asked for a screenshot is that I'm still running OS 3.1 and I don't have any plans on upgrading only to be able to view the icons :-)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 03:23:39 PM: Quote
by carls on 2003/10/19 16:03:36

The reason I asked for a screenshot is that I'm still running OS 3.1 and I don't have any plans on upgrading only to be able to view the icons

yes . . .i've understood. and for the same reason, i've uploaded the screenshot, for everyone that hasn't OS3.5-3.9-MOS :-)

Ciao

PS- i've done it not only for you but for my beloved friend . . . .DOOMMASTER also!!! :-D
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: carls on October 19, 2003, 03:29:31 PM: @Framiga

Thanks :)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: cockney_dave on October 19, 2003, 03:32:04 PM: As a few people have asked for a screenshot showing PowerIcons in action, I've just uploaded one to the image gallery (Power WB), watch out for it...

Also uploaded it to my web site as a .png, better quality but bigger file size, http://web.ukonline.co.uk/d.hutchinson/PowerWB.png
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 04:02:21 PM: @cockney_dave

Very, very nice :-)

Can you post your config?

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: cockney_dave on October 19, 2003, 04:15:37 PM: @Framiga

My machine...

A1200
Apollo 1260 060LC/75MHz (no FPU)
32 MB Fast
Mediator 1200 SX
Voodoo 3 3000
Soundblaster 128
TV card
Spider USB
Ethernet

Running...

OS 3.9, I use SmartFileSystem which I think might help keep the speed up on icon loading (loading the PNG icons feels the same as normal GlowIcons)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Warface on October 19, 2003, 04:45:15 PM: Congratulations, Elena!
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: TJH132 on October 19, 2003, 05:10:55 PM: I haven't fully installed this patch yet because of two major factors:

1. Moving icons displays an arrow instead of the image.

2. All icons sets I've found tend to be too large (even for 1024x768).

Anyway, the patch seems to work flawlessly on my Amithlon (Duron 800) system. Icons appear instantly and window scrolls are just as fast as before. Simply, I notice NO slowdown.

I would REALLY hope a system like this (with the above issues addressed) makes it into OS4. I have a hunch the powers-that-be are keeping things under wraps until the final release, but I can't see them issuing a brand new OS with old, clunky GlowIcons.

Nice job, Elena.

TJH
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: cYbo on October 19, 2003, 05:14:18 PM: "So is there any good icon collection out there that I can dload? (URL plz)"

New icons coming soon. Visit my web page www.lorraine-design.8m.net :-)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 05:21:04 PM: @ All

you can find lots of PNG icons, here:

KDE Icons (http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=iconsall&PHPSESSID=40a22c2e57332866b2fa13fbc525b673)

from 16x16 to 128x128 one as well :-)

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: uncharted on October 19, 2003, 05:47:07 PM: Quote

Kent wrote:
Elena Novaretti is my new best friend...

THANK YOU!

While I would love to see a 2nd image supported it's nice that I can finally use 32bit icons on my workbench and even dopus. The only thing I would love to see removed is that horrid "shortcut" arrow or an option to take it out. If I'm missing something in the settings then I'll find it eventually. Very slick and quite well done.

:pint:

Hey Kent!

Any chance of you turning your excellent MITS icon pack into 24bit (quite a lot of work I know), I really like the glowicons style and the only problem I have with them is the low colour depth (dithering etc.) Truecolour glowicons would rock.

P.S. Isn't it feasible to have a rendered glow as a select effect like 3.9 icon edit does done on the fly?

Thanks

Andy - Who would like the moon on a stick :-)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 19, 2003, 08:05:24 PM: Hi All

you can view the screenshot of the ExampleIcons drawer of PowerIcons HERE (http://amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=473)

Ciao
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Kent on October 19, 2003, 09:53:44 PM: Quote
Any chance of you turning your excellent MITS icon pack into 24bit (quite a lot of work I know)

That would take a lot of work. However I've done alpha graphics before without a problem. I could work on a few and make a small set. I'll have to look at them to see what I can do.

:pint:
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: FuZion on October 20, 2003, 12:01:25 AM: Firstly, I can't stand having photos as icons. Peoples faces & other real stuff, YUK!

Secondly, Elena,

You really do make some nice programs.

Rogue, have a chat with Elena will ya? You was after something for later updates for OS4. Now I don't know much about programming these things but at a glance, this may be heading in the right direction.

Obviously, the scaling thing could do with coming into it as these icons look massive on my 1024 screen & it wouldn't be right to have to install different sets of icons for different screen resolutions.

BUT, after saying that I will say again. Excellent work Elena. I have a few suggestions in my head but they're probably things you've thought of so I'll wait until you do updates before I say anything.

PS. It's not a bad speen on my 060/50 but with 48mb RAM, it ate up memory. Yoink!
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: iamaboringperson on October 20, 2003, 01:02:33 AM: May I just ask what is the point of these 32-bit icons?
Seems like a waste of time to me.
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Karlos on October 20, 2003, 01:06:56 AM: @Ima..

True they will require more storage and horsepower to render.

However, the plus points of the patch are

1) All OS3.5/3.9 icons can now use their full colours without having to get pens from the workbench. That in itself is a good thing!

2) Many people like antialiased true colour imagry on their desktop.

IIRC, you got a Pegasos recently, I thought youd approve ;-)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Lo on October 20, 2003, 01:48:50 AM: Quote
May I just ask what is the point of these 32-bit icons?Seems like a waste of time to me.

Your system must fly with 2-color Icons! Do a lot of Shell-work? Why even start WorkBench? :-P
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: samo79 on October 20, 2003, 03:45:42 AM: Elena is great ! :-D
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: JetRacer on October 20, 2003, 06:21:02 AM: Also worth noting is that Windows is now probably the only OS without support for >256 color icons.
Heck, it doesn't even support 8-bit custom palette yet.

Good work Elena.

imaboringperson: progress isn't a bad thing y'know. 24-bits is a minimum requirement these days. Absolute minimum even. And being an Amiga user is no excuse :-)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: AmigaHeretic on October 20, 2003, 08:02:44 AM: Quote
May I just ask what is the point of these 32-bit icons?
Seems like a waste of time to me.

I guess if you think about it, it does seem over kill. To reach the maximum potential of 24 bit color, an Icon would have to 4096 x 4096 pixles big and then it would just be a giant dither with every single pixel being a different color. Might be hard to see too since I only run my Workbench at 1024 x 768. :-D

Still though, the PNG icons look way cooler then the standard 256 color ones. I think this program pretty much rocks! :-)
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 21, 2003, 01:36:22 PM: @ All

Elena sent me, a little patch to speedup PowerIcons on slow systems like mine. . . .are you interested?

Ciao

PS- in the near future, that patch will be inserted inside PowerIcons
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Framiga on October 21, 2003, 01:48:51 PM: Quote
by iamaboringperson on 2003/10/20 2:02:33

May I just ask what is the point of these 32-bit icons?
Seems like a waste of time to me.

First of all . . . I suggest you to be more educated, in the cares of other people's job and second if you wish . . . .don't use it.

Cheers

.
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: quenthal on October 21, 2003, 02:32:17 PM: Quote

Framiga wrote:
Elena sent me, a little patch to speedup PowerIcons on slow systems like mine. . . .are you interested?

Sounds good! Is there any side-effects with this update - I mean is it recommended to use it even if your system ain't "slow"?
Title: Re: 32 bit icons on WB . . .NEW!
Post by: Crumb on October 21, 2003, 04:09:31 PM: @JetRacer
Quote
Also worth noting is that Windows is now probably the only OS without support for >256 color icons.

Windows supports 24bit icons... not 32bit, but 24bit definitely yes. At least Win XP... have you seen the program MicroAngelo for Windows?