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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: DarkGlobe on October 17, 2003, 10:06:59 PM
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Most of the reasons for the Amiga's death have been posted already, but I abondonned it twice, for different reasons.
In 1995 I bought my first PC which effectively retired my A1200. The reason then was that all my Amiga owning friends had left the platform and got PC's. As the only remaining Amiga user I felt increasingly behind the times. At work it was all PC's, I was in support looking after them! Pentiums had arrived and the cost of upgrading the A1200 was too high when I could get a brand new PC on interest free credit!
A couple of years later, on my second or third clone by now, my dual boot 95/NT4 PC had once again ####ed itself up and was refusing to boot. I made an on the spot decission to return to the Amiga. I had plenty of cash at the time and was sick to death of the comparable instabillity of the PC. I remember thinking at the time that I must have reinstalled windows on personal and work machines hundreds of times in my few years to rectify fault yet could not recall one single incident where I'd had to reinstall AmigaOS.
The VERY NEXT DAY I phoned Eyetech, ordered a brand new A1200T with dual 060/PPC240MHz+SCSI, 128MB RAM (I think) VGA adapter so I could use my monitor, 3.1 roms and the new OS etc, all the bells & whistles. I'd kept buying Amiga magazines and knew what hardware was available so I ordered it all ;)
Cost me well clear of £1k including SCSI drive, SCSI CDBurner & SCSI ZIP Drive.
When it arrived I formatted the NT disk, threw the PC into the corner and slotted in the Amiga and installed the OS. I was home again. I was so pleased to be back where I belonged, on the Amiga, and just about the fastest Amiga you could buy. Particularly so once I got my BVision some months later.
I had the money now to spend on the hardware and keep up with PCs. Last year I abandonned the Amiga again. This time it was for reasons I just could not see improving:-
1. Constant promises by the idiots at Amiga and in the Amiga press about new hardware, new OS. A long time after I had realised, thanks to the BoXeR, that nothing could be trusted and nothing should be expected.
2. The internet. YAM was great. AmIRC was, and still is, THE best IRC client. When it came to browsers, my god did the Amiga browsers suck. They were good efforts, all credit to the developers, but the PC was moving so fast that the Amiga was rapidly becoming hopeless. Plenty of promises about Opera ports, mozilla source, all broken in the end. I eventually installed MacOS and Netscape which kept me going for a while.
3. My Amiga didn't power on one day, it was a minor problem that I fixed quickly but it scared me. I realised that with Phase5 long dead and quoted fixtimes for their boards measured in several months that if my Amiga were to die on me I would be completely and totally screwed. With only Eyetech and Power dealing Amiga and everyone else abroad and slow, me knowing no other Amiga users, moving into web development professionally and having to rely on Amiga browsers and once again starting to lag behind the world on the hardware front, only this time with no Phase5 around to save the day, well, all I had to cling to were yet more promises of a distant AmigaOne and OS4. I sold up. I dn't regret it, I regret having no real choice.
With the profits from the Sale I built an Athlon PC and purchased a few small upgrades for my spare A1200 so that I still had a decent enough Amiga. It's sat here with me, it doesn't get much use these days but it is always there when I need it.
I look at sites like this every few months to see if there are any new developments. I was surprised and pleased to see the AmigaOne actually arrive but to me it just looks like a very slow and expensive way to run Linux :/
If it were possible for me to dive back into the Amiga with decent, modern hardware, I'd be there in a second. But that will never happen. Certainly not now the latest Amiga Inc seem to have proved as useless as all previous incarnations.
I don't even know if they still exist, their site is down, perhaps they're bankrupt.
Selling the Amiga that second time was painful. I love the Amiga, it's a very special machine to me that changed the course of my life. I loved being part of the rebellion against Micro$oft. I loved being different. There's not much I wouldn't do to roll back the IT clock to the days when I, and the rest of the Amiga community, could sit back, smug in the knowledge that *we* were the enlightened ones and our machines were the most amazing computers ever built.
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AmigaOS4 is now being ported to amigaone by hyperion, the beta allready runs on it... It is supposed to be released early next year :-) AmigaINCs site worked last time when i visited it a couple of days ago, but seems to be down now yeah.
But one thing i am sure on, there will be an OS4
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Nice story, and welcome to Amiga.org.
Yea, there have been alot of stories like yours here. But I am kinda in the same situation. I did and still have my Amiga 1200, but then PC just started to become cheaper and more games were available for it. At heart, the Amiga is still the best, but in reality, we have to be with these evil PCs :)
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Oops, sorry, that was supposed to be a reply to the 'Why Amiga died' thread. I'll get used to it ;)
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The more you use a pc with windows the more you become aware how unreliable and prone to a reinstall they are and the more i love my old a1200 i prefer make cd on an a1200 to nero on a pc of which new vesions seem to be crap. :-)
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Your reasons are very valid ones, and I might have done the same if I hadn't been very lucky. But now I have a Pegasos with a choice between Debian and a very Amigalike OS, MorphOS, and it's like having a compromise between the hardware power and reliability of a PC and the usability of Amiga. I'll be staying with this a while, I hope. For me, using Windows for recreation was never really an option I could stomach.
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@DarkGlobe
I understand your reasons. I am rather saddened that you did not even try a Pegasos, or checked out one of the many public demos first.
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I understand your reasons, however, why not have both systems? I have my PC system that I surf the net with and I have my A4000T on the same desk. You can still enjoy the best of both worlds.
Just because the Amiga lacks in one area, is it a reason to sell it? Just have a PC aswell, simple?
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As I stated, I do still have an Amiga, an A1200 40MHz 030 with 32MB RAM. I use it occasionally, playing the old games I love & I'll occasionally use DPaint as it's still the best animation software around, for me anyway.
What I don't do is use it for things that it can do just because it can. Most of what I do now is on PC because it has to be. I'm a web application developer so it makes no sense to switch to the Amiga to, say, download my emails or log on to IRC/ICQ, it would be very innefficient to do so.
My Amiga is plumbed in to my network with samba installed and Miami able to access the net through my router, it is still useful kit.
I use Redhat here occasionally and am slowly getting up to speed there and expect one day to move to Linux permanently, I will probably write code for the open source community when I feel I can help.
Please though, can someone explain to me what pagasos is, I had not heard of it before landing here. I'm certainly interested. Be nice to hear something positive with regard to the Amiga.
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@DarkGlobe
The Pegasos is a PowerPC based motherboard, much like the AmigaONE, and comes with the AmigaOS compatible OS, MorphOS. It comes with Firewire, USB, onboard audio including digital audio output, gigabit and 10/100 ethernet, and uses DDR-RAM.
You can check it out here:
http://www.pegasosppc.com
http://www.morphos.net
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There's always open source AROS.
Amiga Research Operating System (http://www.aros.org)
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The pegasos never was an option for me since it would not run OS 4.0. I bought an AmigaOne G4 and I am very happy with it (Debian is a little ruff around the edges but it is okay). OS4.0 will be here soon, and I have even more confidence after seeing it running on the AmigaOne. As far as Amiga International, Bye Bye, they were holding us back if anything. Personally, I think Eyetech or Hyperion or both should be in charge.
Believe it or not, I stuck to the Amiga all these years. I just couldn't stomach Windows, and after using such a stable and dynamic OS, I guess I got spoiled.
Yogi27
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this might sound like flaim bate but its late in the day....
I find it kinda ironic how all the pegasos users on here suddenly start jumping up and down shouting "try out the wonderfull pegasos" everytime an amiga user decides hes had enough....
anyway as i say its late so im going to bed...
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@Ryu
Would you rather them just fade into oblivion? The majority say "there's nothing new" when, in fact, there is. That Amiga user saved by having a choice that is availible today, namely the Pegasos and MorphOS, is another Amiga user you have a chance to sell AmigaOS 4 to when it comes out.
If our roles were reversed, I'd be happy that, if nothing else, the community retained a member, even if he broke the egg on the big end vs the little. That gives me one more set of eyes to show my product to when it would come out.
Do you hate the thought that MorphOS is part of the community so much that you'd rather the person leave the community entirely rather than run "that other OS."
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My story goes something like this.
Been an Amiga fan since Jesus's birth. Used it for many years until at one point started using it less and less. But still using it.. waiting for something to happen on Amiga-front.
One day I pointed my browser at some newssite (amiga.org or ann.lu) and saw the Amiga Inc.'s coupon scam.
From that minute I totally lost all motivation to Amiga scene: the scam was so obvious.
There was lots of talk about it on irc and someone pointed me to Pegasos/MorphOS. At first I laughed at it.. being just another scam among the coupon-fraud. And then I saw a possibility to buy a Pegasos for $299.. I was told it's OS was so much Amiga-like I wouldn't believe it, so I ordered.
The first day I used MorphOS, I liked it. I gave my Amiga to my brother.. and I sincerily have to say I haven't missed it. MorphOS does everything I did on Amiga, and lots more.
Whats best, MOS made me to abandon Windows pretty much completely, plus kept my interest to Amigascene.
So in a way I have left Amiga too as I am not using it, but in a way I have not as I have a similar product at hand, only better, and I am still interested whats going on around Amiga.
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http://www.amiga.com/ (http://www.amiga.com/)
seems to be up again now.... It seems to have moved to another server though.
AmigaOS link does not work though..
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DarkGlobe and everyone who thinks DPaint is and always was the best 2D paint package on Amiga:
DarkGlobe ("occasionally use DPaint as it's still the best animation software around")
Has anyone here ever heard of Brilliance!? this is 10 times better and eventually became the new standard..................think of it as Deluxe Paint 7.0
Brilliance has speed, extra features, and a GUI the way it should be done!...............If you had to have only One paint program on the Amiga..........Brilliance was the one to get. I use this and Scala MM 300 quite alot even today.
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@DarkGlobe: It's the first time I enjoy reading a post that long :-)
As many others my A1200 sit next to my x86 (XP/Redhat). I still use my A1200 regulary, I play games with XP and render 3D with Redhat.
I think AmigaOS4 is worth the wait. The hardware is already out. That was the main problem in the past; hardware was never delivered by a halfdozen entities while we kept patching AOS to our hearts content.
In the near future I'm not worried one bit of AInc's demize. In a sense the snowball is already rolling. Lot's of imprevements will be scheduled for the next OS release. There's still ways of hotting up the G4 with nicer chipsets. Eyetech and Hyperion will (hopefully) not call it a day so easily.
But there's hope; things can still go wrong :-)
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@leirbag28
Yes! Brilliance I do remember, and thats was one program that my oldest brother always used to his games when he programmed using AMOS. Wow, that software was surely the best for Amiga.
@Ryu
I did pick up on the MorphOS people who jump on them and say to try out MorphOS. Dunno though, but I will wait for AmigaONE.
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Ryu wrote:
this might sound like flaim bate but its late in the day....
I find it kinda ironic how all the pegasos users on here suddenly start jumping up and down shouting "try out the wonderfull pegasos" everytime an amiga user decides hes had enough....
anyway as i say its late so im going to bed...
What's wrong with that? They've already decided they're fed up with Amiga. Where's the "Irony"?
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@darkglobe
You are right, at the moment the AmigaOne is an expensive way to run linux compared to a machine that can be built using x86 technology.Compared to the Mac it is actually quite competative, at leat in my part of the world.
However, OS4 is not that far off, and those hyperion guys have been bending over backwards to produce a high quality product.While it may lack some of the "features" other OS's may provide, I find I use less than 10% of them anyway, and like you said, end up re-insatalling many many times over.I would be very surprised and extremely disappointed if this was also the case with OS4.
One thing to note though, is that the AmigaOne systems you can buy from Eyetech come with OS4 for free at this point, supplied when OS4 is released.
Things are moving forward, and a new era for the Amiga is soon to begin.
As much as the pegasos seems to be aquality product, the truth of the matter is that it is not an amiga.Nor is Morphos Amiga, though it is "Amiga like" to many people.It is yet not fully commercial standard product in my opinion either.Despite emotional reasonings, the Pegasos and Morphos machines are a competing product to the AmigaOne and when it is release OS4.
All that aside, the Pegasos and Morphos would have been the successors to the Amiga legacy by default.
That is of course until Amiga Inc. came along and bought Amiga Technologies from Gateway.I think you are a bit harsh on these guys in what they have managed to acomplish. Without them there would be no AmigaOne, and there would be no OS4 even in the state it is atm.OF course this could not have been done without eyetech and hyperion, but it was Amiga Inc. that made this happen.They have done more than any company since commodore with far far less resources.
I think the entire computer industry is heading towards a major time of turbulance where just about anything can happen, with the renewed competiveness of Mac' and the PPC platform in general, the advent of the 970, Linux gainin popularity at an impressive rate with many governments around the world moving towards linux, and businesses too, the dawning of 64 bit technology to the desktop, the entire TCPA/palladium controvesy, mixed with a truckload of consumer dis-satisfaction with the choices they have, and the performance, cost and reliablity of accepted products, not to mention the whole upgrade merry-go-round.Not to mention the attempted resurgance of Amiga, start ups like the pegasos and many other things to lengthly to mention.
Personally, what I have atm will last about another 12 months, by which time things should have sorted themselves out on the Amiga front, I would certainly wait at least a few months after OS4 is released to write off the Amiga.
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Similar story here.
I was an Amiga user from 1990 up until 1994 when I started University. At Uni, we (obviously) used PC packages and although I did try to get by using PCTask (my first programming assignment was written in Turbo Pascal using an A1200 with only a 40MB hard drive and an extra 2MB of Fast RAM running PC Task) it was just way too slow. In the end I sold the A1200 and bought a 386 PC.
I never gave up on the Amiga though... I would occasionally visit Amiga IRC channels (where people would often call me a sellout and "PC Luser"... which was quite hurtful at the time) and I would run UAE from time to time.
A couple of years after leaving Uni (I think this was around '99) I bought a used A600HD from the local paper with loads of games for nostalgia, and remembered what I'd been missing. Soon after I got an Eyetech A1200T with 040, CDROM, 32MB RAM etc and so on and so on until the middle of last year I had an A4000T with CSPPC, Mediator, Voodoo5, SB, Ethernet...
Around this time I started to believe all the hype that OS4 was "nearly done" and I trusted AInc (!) to deliver everything they had promised. So, I joined up for the "I am Amiga club", and sold my A4k on Ebay in readiness for the new Amiga that was just about to be released....
Anyway, 10 months and dozens of broken promises later I finally got a Pegasos and I love it. It doesn't just live up to my expectations, it surpasses them in every way. MorphOS is simply fantastic.
As for MOS users jumping in and telling people to look at Pegasos, well why wouldn't they? If you find something good don't you want to tell people about it?
If you see a good movie don't you tell your friends "Hey, this movie rocks, you just have to watch it!"? Well, it's the same with Pegasos users...
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Hi,
I have to agree there with Lando. While I am still waiting for OS4 I can play with my Pegasos and MorphOS. And yes, it's much more then I had first in my mind about it.
I am sure that OS4 will come. But the waiting is long. It's been a long time ago since I ordered the A1 and also a long time since I have it. I never expected to wait this long. And I think that goes for a lot that have their A1.
I am not here to bring down the Amiga spirit but you got to believe me that the Pegasos/MorphOS is not evil. It's good. Jut being honest here. I got mine here running and if you want just come by and use it and see it for yourself.
For the record, I am not being played or payed to say this. It's just honest Abe here.
Coder
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@IonDeluxe
So by your logic we would need to thank Irving&Mehdi for the A4000,A1200,
CD32, OS3.0 and OS3.1 ?
Cos after, long sidetracking and blocking they finally allowed it to happen ?
More of,they (C=)even paid for the development :-o
While I don't have a firm viewpoint on Gateway, I just have to say this about Escom:
They did invest in a new production run for A1200/A4000T.
They did develop new HW (o.k. the Walker wasn't that great, but it was).
They did have a firm path for the future (PPC).
They never took prepayments for allready dead product (PPack) or ones that
where still far away from completion (I am yoda).
They did sell enough Amigas to stabilze the market instead of helping a
~90% decline by declareing AOS dead.
What would be without Ainc ?
Would have been possible for Bernie&Harald to get a Cloanto-like-deal ?
Would have been possible for H&P or Hyperion to get a licence for a PPC-port ?
Would have been possible for bPlan to a licence for WB3.1 when they still needed it ?
Looking at Gateway they seem to be all about buisness instead of all about
daydreams, so yes i think some of the above would have been possible.
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LOL Lando, I too used PCTask and turbo pascal for college work, a little before you though, I ran it on an A500...chug.....chug.......chug!
I've seen a few mentions whilst browsing around about a 'coupon scam' and no more Bill McEwan but even after searching on google could not find a break down of the story.
Can someone fill me in or point me to a URL news report or something please?
Also, I think I'd agree with the post above that Escom were probably the best Commodore successors. I still have an official Amiga Escom mouse mat that I got from the branch in Reading.
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@DarkGlobe
Short summary of the "I am Amiga"-lootery-prepaypament-club :
In summer 2002 AIn decided to start some sort of "market-gauge",by handing
out pre-payment-coupons for the A1, to determine the size of the market.
They did NOT inform Eyetech/Hyperion beforehand !!
The money did NOT go to Eyetech/Hyperion.
They did babble about prizes to be given out if the number of sold coupons
would each up to certain numbers (the highest been 50k, talk about a firm grip
onto reality ....).
Everybody was also promised to get an free t-shirt with his/her coupon, both
to be delivered AFAP.
McBill also talked about OS4/A1 being allmost ready (see where we are now ?).
It soon became clear that the turnout was really really low (~400) and that the
combination of prepay and lottery was illegal in most countries :-o
So they changed the rules and allowed the coupon to be for OS4 only (funny when it
was orginally meant to gauge the A1-market),they extended the deadline 3 or 4
times, promised a monthly newsletter, and turned into a club.
It all turned funny when I started a bet with redrumloa on the number sold coupons
right here on this site (guess who won that :-P ).
Right now the situation is like this:
Eyetech/Hyperion and dealers made it clear that they wouldn't hounor the coupons.
Which would been quite hard since noone yet got an actual coupon (and no t-shirt).
AInc still haven't said an official word on how they want to hounor those coupons
bought by people who allready have bought an A1.
Some AInc-fans are trying to argue that the A1 isn't an A1 until it ships with OS4, but
you won't find that in the orginal announcemt, and never never ry to use that
argument in any other situation as on the coupons ;-)
The monthly news-letter has been delivered aftersome delay, and mostly seems to
consist of restating the obvious(or allready public known stuff), hardly worth the
money (<- opinion).
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So, you pay for a coupon, which you don't receive.
You can't trade it in for an A1 or OS4 because Ainc did not tell Eyetech/Hyperion about it and more importantly, didn't pass them the money collected.
Those who bought coupons got sick of waiting and bought the A1 from Eyetech at the regular price anyway, and now hate Ainc.
So all this coupon basically gets you is an out of date newsletter every now and then.
So, the theory is, Ainc ran low on funds and cooked up the scheme to rake in a little cash. All sounds quite nasty, I can understand why it seems to have upset a lot of people.
How much were the coupons?
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>1. Constant promises by the idiots at Amiga and >in the Amiga press about new hardware, new OS. A >long time after I had realised, thanks to the >BoXeR, that nothing could be trusted and nothing >should be expected.
I'm not Amiga, Inc, or anybody official. However given the fact that I have run AmigaOS4 on my CyberStormPPC equipped A3000T and also on my AmigaOneXE G4, I can tell you that the hardware and Operating System are not vapor. They are very much real, and will be by far the best incarnation of AmigaOS yet to date.
Go here:
http://www3.telus.net/NeRP/OS4_on_A1.png
and you will see your favorite IRC program online and working via OS4 on the AMIGAONE
There are also videos out there showing the alpha version of OS4 booting up. It *is* real. If you have any questions, feel free to email me.
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You can't trade it in for an A1 or OS4 because Ainc did not tell Eyetech/Hyperion about it and more importantly, didn't pass them the money collected.
Well AmigaINC still promises that they will make os4 avaliable for free for people with coupon... I wonder where you got this info from? who said they wont get os4 when it has been released?
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I was just summarising the situation as I saw it rather than stating as fact what will happen. Obviously I don't know. I know nothing.
Hopefully they will make good on their promise.
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Tomas wrote:
Well AmigaINC still promises that they will make os4 avaliable for free for people with coupon... I wonder where you got this info from? who said they wont get os4 when it has been released?
Oh they have promised a lot of things. Maybe we could start a bet on this?
I'll put in $5 for Amiga Inc. NOT paying Hyperion for free OS4's when it's done.
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Eyetech/Hyperion and dealers made it clear that they wouldn't hounor the coupons.
AmigaINC say THEY themsel that theyf will take care of it... It has yet to be seen, but you cant say they will break that promise now, since OS4 has not yet been released..
AInc still haven't said an official word on how they want to hounor those coupons
well on one of the latest weekly questions on aworld, fleecy promised that amigainc will still hounor those coupons...
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Oh they have promised a lot of things. Maybe we could start a bet on this?
I dont want to make a bet on this :-P I know they have broken a few promises, but still you cannot dismiss it yet before even os4 has been released.. People here acts like they know for 100% that amigainc will break this promise also... but hey, maybe they are all psychic ;-)
Lets just wait until OS4 has been released, we will quickly see then if they break their promise
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Tomas wrote:
Oh they have promised a lot of things. Maybe we could start a bet on this?
I dont want to make a bet on this :-P I know they have broken a few promises, but still you cannot dismiss it yet before even os4 has been released.. People here acts like they know for 100% that amigainc will break this promise also... but hey, maybe they are all psychic ;-)
Lets just wait until OS4 has been released, we will quickly see then if they break their promise
Thats the whole point of betting. It can go either way. $5 still stands :-P
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sure, but i dont have that much faith in them myself anymore
I cannot risk to loose a whole 5 bucks :-P
I really hope they keep it though....
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@Tomas
Nice selective quoting .....
1st : Eyetech/Hyperion did make it clear that they weren't responsible
for the coupons and their pre-payments, while dealers made it clear that they
wouldn't cough up the money in advance. Only afterwards this AInc
accepted theirresponsibilty.
2nd: That sentence was clearly pointing at people who allready have an A1.
People who should have gotten their money back long ago. Money that Eyetech
allready paid to AInc (maybe more, maybe less) with licence-fees.
Barry can promise as much as he wants, he just isn't very convincing unless
he delivers on older promises (like a solution for the t-shirt-prob).
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I remember myself, 9 years old ('89), and owner of an Amstrad CPC, reading the greek, pro-Amiga magazine "Pixel" and being astonished with the capabilities of the Amiga... I bought an A500 (2nd hand) in 92 and kept it until 96. I LOVED IT! Shadow of the beast, R-Type etc, etc.... I remember how sad I felt seeing Commodore's demise... In the end, after Escom's failure, I said "That's it... it's gone! The platform's gone" and sold it for around 30.000 drachmas (around £80), complete with monitor.... I regretted it...
Back in early 2002, I wanted to check out if after Gateway's failure to deliver the goods, there were still people loyal to the Amiga. I was surprised seeing that the market still existed and there were new custom built models (*cough, cough*) coming around and a new OS... Then I forgot about the Amiga again... Until this year I discovered that a company called Genesi manufactured this PPC computer that runs an OS that resembles to the AmigaOS very much and it's really fast and efficient... I liked it very, very much... I hope that by the next spring I will able to afford a whole pegasos 2 computer (mobo,CPU, ram, Radeon, micro ATX Case, 15' TFT Monitor) --> 750 quid :-)
now lets investigate a bit about amiga inc....
Sorry guys but in the eyes of an outsider to the amiga community, this bunch of people (lead by Moss/McEwen) has become really comic ....
Amiga inc's recent history highlights:
1) The coupons...
2) Fleecy: (reffering to the Escena's "design") "The AmigaOne 1200 is almost ready...."
3) Fleecy: (reffering to the nonexistent OS4 back in 2001 ) "OS4 is almost ready and it ROCKS!"
4) The landlord having to sell their belongings 'cause they didn't pay the rent.....
and more, and more....
now tell me, HOW RELIABLE IS A COMPANY THAT IS ALLEGED TO BE STEALING FROM ITS OWN CUSTOMERS (coupons), IS CURRENTLY BROKE AND IN DEBT OF 2.2 MILLIONS (I wonder how exactly Mr. McEwen plans to pay back? Oh yeah I forgot OS4 will sell 10 million copies! Leave out the millions that AmigaDe will sell....) AND OVERALLY IN DEEP SH&T
(lawsuits, unpaid salaries etc.)...
In my eyes this is the lowest point for the Amiga... The only salvation that I can imagine will be if an average-to-large company, say 3dLabs or Matrox, buys AmigaIng and pulls it out of the sewer... I don't know...I really don't know.....
(sorry about my bad English)
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As much as the pegasos seems to be aquality product, the truth of the matter is that it is not an amiga.Nor is Morphos Amiga, though it is "Amiga like" to many people.It is yet not fully commercial standard product in my opinion either.Despite emotional reasonings, the Pegasos and Morphos machines are a competing product to the AmigaOne and when it is release OS4.
All that aside, the Pegasos and Morphos would have been the successors to the Amiga legacy by default.
You're missing some of the story for this..
That is of course until Amiga Inc. came along and bought Amiga Technologies from Gateway.I think you are a bit harsh on these guys in what they have managed to acomplish. Without them there would be no AmigaOne, and there would be no OS4 even in the state it is atm.OF course this could not have been done without eyetech and hyperion, but it was Amiga Inc. that made this happen.They have done more than any company since commodore with far far less resources.
Amiga Inc originally had no plans for AmigaOS. (They were Amino I believe, before they bought the Amiga stuff from Gateway.) Not sure why they changed their minds, but they probably got some kind of idea that there was a huge market for AmigaOS (hence why they thought the coupon sales would be much higher than they were.)
I really wish I had copied down the story when I heard it, but I believe it goes something like this: Amiga Inc and the people behing Morphos were in talks for MorphOS to become the next gen Amiga operating system. While the MorphOS people were waiting to settle some contract disputes, Amiga Inc signs a contract with Hyperion instead.
Perhaps someone can fill in the story better, but I can see why some of the folks involved with MorphOS dispise Amiga Inc.. They feel they were betrayed.