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Title: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: cycloid on October 17, 2003, 12:27:28 PM
i have a 1200 and an 040+ 16mb ... now let's ignore discussions about the fact that i use visualprefs and dopus to make it look pretty and thus gunk it up (but only 32 colors). and i do plan on getting a 060 +128mb ... what i'd really like toknow is what patches people reccomend?

i use (off the top of my head)

mmulib - fastzero
mmulib - fastrom
Fblit
BlazeWCP (anyone reckon a doom port could hook this?!)

i think that's most of it

i've also recently got ahold of systempatch but havent stuck it in there



anyone like to chuck some thoughts/tweaks/suggestions in the pot? cos i want it to go FASTER :-)


edit: oh, forgot: OS3.1
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: pjhutch on October 17, 2003, 12:41:07 PM
I suggest:

1. Install Phase5 040/060 libraries
2.Install updated math libs
3. Use Fastrom, enable all caches, Fblit

Also, try a Workbench replacement such as Dopus 5.5 Megellan or Scalos (or whatever) to get multi-threaded WB experience.

Other patches would only give minor perf gains. A faster processor, HD, gfx card etc would make bigger leaps in perf. than a 1200 would.
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: lempkee on October 17, 2003, 12:45:56 PM
oxypatcher , works on 040 also... that is good, i dont know if the other works on 040 though, but that one does...will make yer sys fly compared to now.

cheers
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: lionstorm on October 17, 2003, 01:13:25 PM
BLIZKICK is a must have for blizzard1260 owners.
Lio
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: sTix on October 17, 2003, 01:21:28 PM
Executive - for improved multitasking.....
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: Framiga on October 17, 2003, 01:30:13 PM
Hi Cycloid,

forget MMU packages and FastRom (512K of ram lost).

CopyMemQuick (maybe)

As Lempkee already suggested, OxyPatcher helps a lot on some FPU operations.

For AGA speedup, i suggest you BlazeWCP, FBlit and Ftext.

If you can upgrade the ram, there are some other solutions.

Ciao

Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: Framiga on October 17, 2003, 01:32:23 PM
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by sTix on 2003/10/17 14:21:28

Executive - for improved multitasking.....


Executive on a 040 system? not a good idea IMHO

Ciao

Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: BouncingAyatollah on October 17, 2003, 01:41:15 PM
I would say a kick remapper (Blizkick or RemApollo depending on your card), BlazeWCP, Cyberpatcher or Oxypatcher for 040 or especially 060, Fblit. I found going too far with dozens of patches could cause problems. I'd avoid Executive too, tried it twice and got rid of it twice very quickly. As suggested some sort of Text speedup might help too. That's most of the bottlenecks taken care of then.

FScreen speeded up browsing enormously but it was a switch on/switch off thing because some programs (e.g. Star Trek 25th) didn't like it at all.
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: Steady on October 17, 2003, 01:58:21 PM
@Framiga:

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Executive on a 040 system? not a good idea IMHO


Why is that?
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: bloodline on October 17, 2003, 02:03:49 PM
Executive is nice from a users prespecitve... but quite crappie from a Task one. Don't use it if you have any time critical, CPU intesive tasks... avoid it :)
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: Framiga on October 17, 2003, 02:05:59 PM
@ Steady

because the guy needs speed improvements, and Executive on a 68040 with 16MB of ram, is not the right choise IMHO.

Ciao

Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: SilvrDrgn on October 17, 2003, 02:31:59 PM
HSMathLibs made a big, noticeable speed improvement on my systems. (About My Comptuers (http://mikerye.homeip.net/about_my_computers.html))
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: StevenJGore on October 17, 2003, 02:43:26 PM
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For AGA speedup, i suggest you BlazeWCP, FBlit and Ftext.


These are the three patches that I use, and other than MCP (definitely NOT a performance tool!), I don't have any other patches on my systems. I definitely recommend that you at least use these three!

I run a 256-colour workbench with 256-colour backdrop, with solid window moving and resizing, and it's nippy, even without the patches. Both my systems (A1200 and CD32) are expanded to 50Mhz 030's with 50Mhz FPU's and 32MB RAM (ie. more or less identical) and yet my CD32 can run a 256-colour workbench about two or three times faster than the A1200 can... the Akiko chip, maybe? or perhaps something related to the the SX32 Pro?
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: LP on October 17, 2003, 03:49:16 PM
I installed Cyberpatcher a few days ago due to an advise from some guys here... And boy! It really speeded things up... I was amazed by the speed increase... So if you buy a phase5 Blizzard1260 And install that patch you should be flying :-)

-LP
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: adolescent on October 18, 2003, 05:22:05 AM
A bit off topic, but when I used my A3000/040 I had a program that would patch some 68k math functions in binaries.  Anyone know what it was called?  It really helped.
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: Damion on October 18, 2003, 05:56:48 AM
A few tips..

Systempatch: *replaces* both BlazeWCP and
FText, the speedups according to P96Speed
are identical. Plus, it speeds up some other
areas as well by patching graphics.library.
Make sure to use "NOUTIL" tagline with
060 and maybe 040, "NOLAYERS" tagline if you
have problems with PPaint, and finally use
the "NOEXEC" tagline if you're running a
modified exec OR perhaps latest exec from BB2.

Run exec.library in fastram, this provides quite
a speedup (measureable with benchmarks). This can
be done for instance with Blizkick localfast
option. You may also want to modify/fix
exec.library  with something like "Exec44".

PatchMult64: Speeds up a few rarely used math
functions.

Try running FBlit in exclude mode (promotes
everything unless you specify otherwise).

HSMathLibs are also great.

Executive works fine for me???

I have *never* had a duplicable crash resulting
from properly setup and well - coded patches,
and my system is overall faster and more stable.
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: Thematic on October 18, 2003, 09:09:20 AM
On a 68060 system Cyberpatcher often speeds up FPU stuff, but there are still situations where it has to be disabled. :-x
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: sTix on October 18, 2003, 10:07:02 AM
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because the guy needs speed improvements, and Executive on a 68040 with 16MB of ram, is not the right choise IMHO.
---------------------------------------------

I think that Executive is a great tool for
making the most out the performance you've got.


Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: cockney_dave on October 18, 2003, 10:36:25 AM
A little off subject maybe...

SmartFileSystem

Found this a real performance boast, particularly when handling large files like .mpg movies it improved the playback speed, font listers and the like are also lightning fast now.

But read the instructions and backup your data! I had no trouble installing SFS but it could be a horrible experience if you don't have you're HD backed up.
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: Karlos on October 18, 2003, 01:42:59 PM
I'd just like to add that I used to run executive on 040 @25MHz + 16Mb and it was fine.

I also run it on my BlizzPPC + 64Mb, and it is still fine.

Other than using some ram and adding a small overhead to task switching for the statistics processing (not noticable in my experience), I can't see what the problem is.

As long as you read the documentation properly and correctly set it up for your needs it works extremely well in my opinion. Both my systems have proven far more responsive and better behaved under heavy load than using statically assigned task priorities.
Title: Re: Best patches for 68k performance?
Post by: cycloid on October 18, 2003, 09:14:09 PM
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BlazeWCP, FBlit and Ftext.


i use those already

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RemApollo


i used to use that until i started messing with the mmu libs and used that version instead. i'll probably switch back though


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Dopus Magellan II


i already use it. it's bloody nice. Dopus + visualprefs + newicons is where most of my resources go as far as i can tell. interestingly i've locked my entire 32 color pallette to the newicons set. or at least i've tried because:

pointer prefs steals 4 of the colors so you have to set them in that! unless there's an alternate pointer prefs thing out there somewhere thats fullpallete compatible

dopus only lets you use the 8 global wb colors for custom buttons etc and you have to specify your own in dopus, which then allocates them instead of checking if they're there or not... if only it could be hacked to be properly fullpallete compatible :-)

if wish bloody everything was FP compatible, basically!


anyway, i dont "NEED" more speed i was just curious what patches were floating about out there that i might not have heard of! heh