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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: pablotincho on October 17, 2003, 03:08:21 AM
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i am going to buy a normal 1200 but i want to upgrade it to a good machine and i dont wana spend tu much many , if i can use pc parts it will be better .
so anybody can tell me what i must do to save money but at the same time have a good machine.
thank for your time
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First, Welcome to Amiga.org! :)
To answer your question. Its a big hard to try not to spend as much to get a good amiga going on. I know the accel card is a first and must have. A fair amount of memory and a good harddrive will suit you good. Most external PC modems will work for dialing up to the internet. To be specific to what you want to spend is a factor on what you can get for your Amiga 1200.
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i think 300 us dollars.
but i want a ppc.
i will use a pc hd
a voodo card
memory from pc
i dont kown if i can get a complete good amiga in ebay for better price
somone has to tell me
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i think 300 us dollars.
Sounding reasonable, so far...
but i want a ppc.
This is stretching the budget, but not impossible, with the A1200. The PPC accelerators are a lot cheaper for 1200 than for an A4000. You'll probably need an upgraded power supply and some other bits and pieces, though, as well... I'd guess you've already busted over your budget.
a voodo card
This is meaning you need a tower case, upgraded power supply, and a Mediator. The system by this point is probably going to at least double your $300 budget....
i dont kown if i can get a complete good amiga in ebay for better price
Probably... The complete systems sell for quite a bit cheaper than their parts. You're still not going to find an Amiga of the spec you're looking for at the $300 range... Probably more in the $500-$700 range.
Everyone uses commodity hard drives and RAM. They are the cheap and easy parts of the system. It's the PPC accelerator and PCI bus that are going to cost you.
The Amiga hardware is older... But it's rare, and still in demand by both users and collectors. It's held it's value incredibly well. Really an oddity in the computer world.
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To pablotincho:
Then buy yourself an Amiga 2500 from eBay. It is a much higher quality, better built machine then the Amiga 1200. I myself am very proud of my own Amiga 2500. You can pick up an Amiga 2500 from eBay for less then $200.00. Then you would have a computer built like a German Tiger-Tank, instead of some plastic piece of crap built like a toy! pablotincho, trust me, you will love the FlagShip of all Amiga computers- The Commodore Amiga 2000 Series. :-D
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Ow please stop it already with your pro 2000 campaine, we all know how you feel so lay off! The 2500 can hardly do what he is asking for... you won't find any PCI or PPC for the A2000 model and AGA is a bonus on the A1200 side. What casing the Amiga is in have nothing to do with this project obviously since he is aiming for a tower.
PPC will probably cost you around 120$ for the 040 model card. An alternative to Mediator is to get hold of a true Z3 bussboard and use a PrometheusPCI instead. It might not be as professional looking but it will probably be cheaper and get you more ports, still quite expencive though in the 150$ region I suppose. One can always buy a fat PC tower cheap and try put the Amiga inside instead of buying the overpriced Amigatowers (30$). Then there is all the other things like memory, harddrive, the PCI graphiccard, ethernetcard that you can take from (in some case older) PC's.
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Whats with you and your A2500, doommaster? Sure, it´s not all plastic covers on it, but besides that, it´s inferior to a A1200 in just about every aspect... :)
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300? for 350 you could get a Peg2 and use your voodoo card in that!, (ok enough of that)
A2000 was probably the best amiga model if you take quality, and timeframe into account, Commodore didnt build an A4000 with nearly the same quality they did the A2000, the 2000's are my favorite Amiga for that reason, built good quality and many upgrades! although not as functional as a A1200 or A4000 but NONE of these systems are very functional by todays standerds...so why bother spending a fortune on one?
I grew up on an A1200 so I'm sentimental to that model somewhat, but really? A2000 with a GVP Spectrum and an 030 is fine to toy around with.
I agree with DoomMaster pretty much, A2500 for 200.00 off ebay is a fine little system to play with.
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I ripped the guts out of a 2000, threw them in the dustbin and put an A1200 mobo inside with a 68040 and keyboard addaptor, even added a reset switch.
Best 2000 I've ever used.
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LOL DoomMaster you kick ass!
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I know this post is way off topic, but he is truly legendary! :-D
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i think 300 us dollars.
but i want a ppc.
i will use a pc hd
a voodo card
memory from pc
i dont kown if i can get a complete good amiga in ebay for better price
somone has to tell me
You can forget about getting all the parts you mentioned for just $ 300,--. Your only chance to get it relatively cheap is buy it secondhand (e-bay, for example). Even then, you will not get it for the amount of money you want to spend on it.
Anyway, your best bet is to buy a complete system. If you buy it bit by bit (like I do), you will probably have exactly the parts you want, but it's gonna cost you at least 4 times as much...
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Dude! Bargain of the century i got exactly a year ago and was responsible for getting me back on the Amiga scene after a 6 year absence:
Amiga 1200T Power Tower
Blizzard 1260 +32meg Ram
2 Gig Hard Drive
Floppy Disk drive and 32x CD Rom Drive - Both internal
IDE 4 Way Buffered Controller + IDE Fix 97 registered
3.1 Roms + Amiga OS 3.5
Silver Surfer Fast Serial Socket + IBrowse 1 and Termite TCP - All registered
Kerboard,mouse and CD32 Competition Pro joypad
I got all this for only £75! And i think i got it from the classified section of this site, or Amiga World i think! :-)
My advice to you would be to have a good hunt around here and Amiga World and not forgetting Amibench and Ebay before you buy! :-)
Regards,
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Hello! Unfortunately for $300 you can throw the idea of building the system yourself out the window. Your only chanvce would be to watch eBay for a complete system and bid up to $300. Even then your chances are slim of winning the auction. :-(
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@DoomMaster
YOU ARE WRONG! Have you ever thought that maybe the reason why Amiga 2000/2500 sell less than $200 day in day out is because they are no longer up for the job anymore, apart from playing games, or if you can upgrade it to the max. In other words no-one wants them! I bet you won't find an Amiga 2000/2500 as good as mine for only £75! :-) Not even i will repeat that brilliant feat again!
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JurassicCamper wrote:
I ripped the guts out of a 2000, threw them in the dustbin and put an A1200 mobo inside with a 68040 and keyboard addaptor, even added a reset switch.
Best 2000 I've ever used.
I would have bought those guts... given you a good price too... fool... :(
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CU_AMiGA no Amiga is *REALLY* up for *the* job these days, its at a minimum a what? almost 9 year old system (that bieng a 4000/1200), so an Amiga as a 'hobby' the A2000 is FINE for that, and its built to higher quality.
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@pablotincho
What do you want the machine to do? If you want a PC-replacement, then you'd probably be better of getting an A1/Peg than a fully decked out A1200.
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i just wanna a clasic amiga , i like old cpmputers .
but why is so much money for a computer that is 10 yeas old .
anyway .
another question is anyway that i can convert a 2000 or 3000 in a 1200 < i wanna play with aga games ?
thanks for your time
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i just wanna a clasic amiga , i like old cpmputers .
Unless you want to use the latest stuff and use the Amiga as your main PC, I doubt that you'd need PPC etc
but why is so much money for a computer that is 10 yeas old .
The computers don't need to be expensive - while an A4000T might sell for loads, there are often great deals for A1200s on AmiBench (http://www.amibench.net) and the classifieds here. What is expensive is all the add-ons to bring it up to date.
another question is anyway that i can convert a 2000 or 3000 in a 1200 < i wanna play with aga games ?
thanks for your time
The 1200, 4000(t) and CD32 are the only ways you'll be able to use AGA (without an emulator) - while you can upgrade the graphics on other models (perhaps to better capabilities than AGA) you cannot convert them to AGA (unless you swap the mobo :-D )
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@Madgun68
I think I'm going mad :crazy:
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The 1200, 4000(t) and CDTV are the only ways you'll be able to use AGA (without an emulator) - while you can upgrade the graphics on other models (perhaps to better capabilities than AGA) you cannot convert them to AGA (unless you swap the mobo )
Whoops! Of course you meant to say CD32 and not CDTV. :-)
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i just wanna a clasic amiga , i like old cpmputers .
Then all you really need is the base A1200. Maybe a card with an 030 and fast RAM.
In fact, if you have much more than that, most AGA games will crash, act poorly, or outright refuse to load on a super-modded system. Trust me. There's very few things that work flawlessly on my A4000. (which is why I have a nearly stock A1200 for playing old games when I want to.)
but why is so much money for a computer that is 10 yeas old .
There weren't that many add-ons made, and in lots of cases there are collectors like you and I that want them. Keeps the price high. It's supply and demand. Not HUGE amounts of demand... But there are simply more collectors than available parts; hence the price keeps going up, despite the fact that the hardware isn't terribly useful for modern applications.
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I think it's better if you wait the release of AmigaOS4 and then
you'll buy an A1(I like the "lite :) or a pegasos2...probably you will
spend around the same price but you get a VERY BETTER computer!
I wan't buy anything alese for my classic A1200...
Too money and TOO poor quality for the accessories... :(
ATM my ppc and bvision was enough...
Bye! And LONG live to the NEW Amigas! :D
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DoomMaster wrote:
Then buy yourself an Amiga 2500 from eBay. It is a much higher quality, better built machine then the Amiga 1200. I myself am very proud of my own Amiga 2500. You can pick up an Amiga 2500 from eBay for less then $200.00. Then you would have a computer built like a German Tiger-Tank, instead of some plastic piece of crap built like a toy! pablotincho, trust me, you will love the FlagShip of all Amiga computers- The Commodore Amiga 2000 Series. :-D
Ummm,
Amiga 2000 is poor quality machine.
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Amiga 2000 is poor quality machine.
It was a good machine for it's time... Just completely useless to this guy, who just wants to play AGA games. ;-)
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i got almost maximum out of my a1200 , and doods i dont get probs with aga games.. i am an a1200 user with ppc and 060 and mediator etc.
anyway for 300 pounds , sure not impossible i have seen fully towered blizz1260's with mediators for 250 so..
but it must be said, the buyer was very lucky!
good luck with your upgrade , and btw ... expensive you say? , no its not... mediator is 2+ years old (new'r models have come since then) , ppc is from 97 and up.., and besides quality costs abit more than mainstream ####e.
i use my amiga for everything, i dont have a pc so i build it like others do with their pc's , ie UPGRADE! ...though i dont need to upgrade every 6th month :D ...
goodluck
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need at least a 68030/40 processor and a 4 way eide, like the "eide express" a scan doubler flicker fixer then 3.1 roms and os3.9. but then i'd sure try to get a 68060/50 processor, then you'll need to build a better power supply or buy a tower...OR just wait a while longer and get that mini A1 board and os4 and save a bunch and have a brand new better faster system. these classics drain dry many a pocket or bank accounts. check out elbox.com to get an ideal if you really must stay in the classic range.. good luck.
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Ummm,
Amiga 2000 is poor quality machine.
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It depends on what you are wanting to acomplish. Playing AGA games is not possible on the 2000. Using a video toaster is not (well not easily or recomended) on the 1200.
The 2000 is better for graphics work. Seems to work with genlocks better. I don't know why but the signal out of is cleaner. Could have been a "bad 1200" as we only tried one.
Many of the cable stations still use 2000's for thier programing. They are hardy machines if the battery is replaced.
Stew
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i think 300 us dollars.
but i want a ppc.
i will use a pc hd
a voodo card
memory from pc
BlizzardPPC + BVision is way to go. Any EDO/FPM SIMM goes.
Using "PC" HD is simple, but you need an adapter for 3,5" HD. Not
expensive.
Your biggest problem is PSU and space for BVision. You probably need a
tower kit...
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1st best Amiga--->3000T..can take PPC card and has built in flickerfixer, SCSI + lots of room.
2nd best Amiga--->4000T as above, but uses IDE drives, has AGA.
3rd best Amiga--->4000 can take PPC card and has built in flicker fixer, uses ide drives, has AGA
4th best Amiga--->towered A1200,has AGA, room for expansion, uses IDE drives, also has PCMCIA port.
5th best Amiga--->A3000, SCSI, some room for expansion, can take PPC card, but tight fit.
6th best Amiga--->A2000, room for expansion, but fastest processor is 68060, HD are usually SCSI.
8-)
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Pegasos II G3 600mhz - 300 EUR <= runs fast as aone G3 800mhz.
AmigaOne G3 800mhz - 700 EUR?
Pegasos II G4 1000mhz - 500 EUR
AmigaOne G4 800mhz - 800 EUR?
Pegasos II uses DDR ram.
AmigaOne uses SDRAM133 ram.
AmigaOne at the moment runs only linux, Amiga Operating System 4.0 isnt available to the public.
Pegasos runs MorphOS, linux and soon other osses ( OpenBSD, QNX... www.pegasosppc.com ).
With Pegasos you have free software for morphos, aka SuperBundle (that is still growing!), and you should receive the pegxlin cd.
With AmigaOne do you only have the AmigaOne, a Debian cd, and ? a t-shirt? and a coupon? :?
Pegasos is cheaper and you you have an amiga-like OS, is beta, but mos 1.4 runs well, and mos 1.5 will runs better ;)
With Pegasos seems be more development that for AmigaOne/OS4
What do you want? Choose! BLUE or RED?
timofonic
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@stew
If that post you did about the Amiga 2000 being poor quality was directed towards me, then you can and make self love.
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2nd best Amiga--->4000T as above, but uses IDE drives, has AGA.
A4000T's came with SCSI HDD's.
Mine uses a SCSI disk drive, and I probably wouldn't swap it for an A3000T. It's much better IMO
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How do you figure the Peg2@600 is as fast as the A1@800? Is this with the CX(e) or FX G3? The FX is a fair bit faster clock for clock and has twice the amount of cache, last time I checked.
Anyway, this is completely off topic, the topic is machine to run AGA games on.
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A4000 was built in the same lineage as the A2000, except the A4000 didnt have nearly the quality workmanship in its design, so all in all I agree the A2000 was the best Amiga ever made in terms of 'quality', and the second best in terms of 'functionality', sure it cant use AGA but so what? the A1200 cant use a toaster! :P
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by pablotincho on 2003/10/17 4:20:39
i think 300 us dollars.
but i want a ppc.
i will use a pc hd
a voodo card
memory from pc
i dont kown if i can get a complete good amiga in ebay for better price
somone has to tell me
No, isnt offtopic