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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: olegil on October 16, 2003, 07:36:13 AM
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I dunno how many others have an Access, but it's an AGA Amiga clone with 2M chip, 8M fast and a 28 (or was it 25?) MHz 68030...
I'm usually running my workbench in dblpal or something, 64 colours (so AGA works just fine).
HOWEVER! :-)
When I play an AGA demo I've downloaded from the net I usually only see the first few effects and then the graphics stop showing and I get only music. This repeats if I retry, stops at excactly the same place. So I'm wondering if it's me or the Access that is being an idiot.
Yes, I know. I have chosen AmigaOne instead of Pegasos, making me an idiot in the eyes of people here, but when it comes to classic machines we should still be able to communicate, no? So lets rephrase and ask: is it only me, or is the Access an idiot as well?
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Don't know about the Access. I'd love to have one, though ;-)
olegil wrote:
Yes, I know. I have chosen AmigaOne instead of Pegasos, making me an idiot in the eyes of people here, but when it comes to classic machines we should still be able to communicate, no? So lets rephrase and ask: is it only me, or is the Access an idiot as well?
Joking or not, there was no need for that.
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HOWEVER!
When I play an AGA demo I've downloaded from the net I usually only see the first few effects and then the graphics stop showing and I get only music. This repeats if I retry, stops at excactly the same place. So I'm wondering if it's me or the Access that is being an idiot.
There are probablty timing differences between a real Aga board and the Access board, so anything that relies on the very precisice timing of the chips might fail. I imagine it was hard for the Access team to get hold of the same mobo support chips, and so different ones were used (causing the problems).
Yes, I know. I have chosen AmigaOne instead of Pegasos, making me an idiot in the eyes of people here, but when it comes to classic machines we should still be able to communicate, no? So lets rephrase and ask: is it only me, or is the Access an idiot as well?
WTF!!!! I can't believe tyou said that, what kind of arogant little fule are you?!?!?
Have I chosen the Pegasos? No... Have I chosen the AmigaONE? no... I've chosen a differnt, path, and yet I find this site full of support for my personal choice, now take your stupid little predjudices away.
Grow up.
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Yes, I know. I have chosen AmigaOne instead of Pegasos, making me an idiot in the eyes of people here.
This is pretty far fetched. Amiga.org is home for everything which is Amiga related. So we have AmigaONE owners, Pegasos owners, Amithlon users, AROS users, Classic owners, and who knows what else.
One's preference doesn't automatically means he hates an other alternative or thinks of it's users as "idiots".
Feel yourself at home instead. :-)
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When I play an AGA demo I've downloaded from the net I usually only see the first few effects and then the graphics stop showing and I get only music. This repeats if I retry, stops at excactly the same place. So I'm wondering if it's me or the Access that is being an idiot.
If you bring up the early boot menu, what screenmode is it in? It it's ntsc, that'll be the problem.. Use something like degrader (or whatever util you prefer) to set the system to pal (or the early boot menu.)
Only thing I can think of..
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oleegil:have no fear , i didnt buy a pegasos either..
anyway the access works fine , but the minor prob here is cpu + clock etc , it plays fine stuff thats designed for this, but i have seen it jump out on a few things indeed.
but stuff like our demo from assembly works on the access fine ...try that :D
www.push-ent.webhop.net , demo is called Mental just incase you missed it (mental final).
pps:ingen grunn til å bli lei deg enda, og hehe worms dc fungere fint på denne lille snaksen-!- :D'
cheers
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madgun: access is pal by default. atleast mine :D
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oleegil:have no fear , i didnt buy a pegasos either..
Yeah, defend him and his biggoted views... I really do expect an appology for the original statement!
Someones personal choice of platfrom does not give anyone the right to critisise the users of this site.
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@bloodline
I think the point you made about personel choice, is the same one the olegil was trying to make.
There is a minority on this site that do criticise based on the mobo choice. (This is not aimed at you)
Please note I am not attempting to speak on behalf of olegil, just explaining my interpretation.
Rassilon
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Ok, so maybe it was a bit harsh, but I've gotten a few "I don't listen to red trolls" thrown at me from various "important" people lately, so...
Sorry.
Anyway, the Access has (at first glance) all the same chips as the A1200, which specific support chips do you mean?
The demos I've had bad luck with are the TBL (The Black Lotus?) ones from Aminet.
More or less gave up when I found out I have a CD full of downloads that won't play.
Also, is it my joystick, my cable, Team17 or the Access that makes down == right (or was it left)?
Killed me off a couple of times when playing superfrog, that...
Btw, AROS people have called me an idiot for sticking with the AmigaOne as well, so...
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I dunno how many others have an Access, but it's an AGA Amiga clone with 2M chip, 8M fast and a 28 (or was it 25?) MHz 68030...
Hmm? Care to elaborate? What is that?
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The demos I've had bad luck with are the TBL (The Black Lotus?) ones from Aminet.
More or less gave up when I found out I have a CD full of downloads that won't play.
I suspect timings are different...
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Heh,
I acutally found nothing offensive about olegil's remark about buying an AmigaONE????
I don't know, but all I know is this 'troll' calling is old and is for a bunch of lamers who have nothing else to say or don't have a come back. :-D
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kd7ota wrote:
Heh,
I acutally found nothing offensive about olegil's remark about buying an AmigaONE????
He was implying that everyone on Amiga.org thinks AmigaONE purchasors are just idiots. Thats not very nice.
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xeron wrote:
He was implying that everyone on Amiga.org thinks AmigaONE purchasors are just idiots. Thats not very nice.
Actually........
I think I had my share of that experience myself. When I said that I liked AmigaONE better, they started to flip out on me and saying 'MorphOS is much better this n that, blah blah blah.' So..... Im with him on that.
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kd7ota,
Agreed. It was the few who jumped him because of that statement that proved the statement true. The merest mention of a person's hardware platform of choice has been grounds for the Bungled and the Botched to roll in with their tripe.
He was merely pointing out the obvious and stating [basically] "Here's something we can all agree upon, let's discuss this together without bagging the hardware."
To the pathetic few who flew off the deep end, lay of the fscking coffee, it's making you tense.
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@Tanzyr
Yea,
I agree with you on that statement. Oh well, this whole computing stuff doesnt really matter all that much. School is important, and I must finish that first. But I know one thing is for sure..... Commodore 64 rules! :-D
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@TanZyr
What? I didn't go "off the deep end", I just mentioned that it wasn't necessary, wasn't relevant, was quite prejudicial of the people reading the post, and was only likely to annoy people. This is why I quite calmly pointed out that it wasn't called for.
To me, what he was saying was "I fully expect people to ignore me and call me an idiot because I have an AmigaONE, even though that has nothing at all to do with this post". Do you see? Even Ole-Egil has admitted his statement was a bit harsh.
It has nothing at all to do with getting angry.
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olegil wrote:
Ok, so maybe it was a bit harsh, but I've gotten a few "I don't listen to red trolls" thrown at me from various "important" people lately, so...
Sorry.
Right, thank you.
Anyway, the Access has (at first glance) all the same chips as the A1200, which specific support chips do you mean?
The demos I've had bad luck with are the TBL (The Black Lotus?) ones from Aminet.
More or less gave up when I found out I have a CD full of downloads that won't play.
Also, is it my joystick, my cable, Team17 or the Access that makes down == right (or was it left)?
Killed me off a couple of times when playing superfrog, that...
Well, I remember that there were timing issues with some of the (cheaper?) 030 cards, Phase5 made big on this, and so some hardware bashing games/demos would freak out that the chipset and CPU did not run at the same speed as an 020 and the chipset. The Blizzards used special/expensive hardware to make sure tha tthe timing signals were perfect.
Btw, AROS people have called me an idiot for sticking with the AmigaOne as well, so...
Why would they do that when AROS is planned for the AmigaONE (and a few other PPC platforms too)?
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He was implying that everyone on Amiga.org thinks AmigaONE purchasors are just idiots. Thats not very nice.
Actually i have seen alot of Amiga users being attacked here lately, being called a mindless idiot who follows bill mcewen, amiga inc buttmunkey and so on... Amiga users is clearly a minority on this site lately....
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Actually i have seen alot of Amiga users being attacked here lately, being called a mindless idiot who follows bill mcewen, amiga inc buttmunkey and so on... Amiga users is clearly a minority on this site lately....
Billy McEwan and Amiga Inc. have nothing to do with Amiga.
Hyperion, Eyetech, Genesi and AROS have far more to do with "Amiga" than Amiga Inc.
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That was not what i meant.. What i was talking about is that when you say you prefer os4, aone or whatever over pegasos/morphos, you are often accused of being a mindless amigainc follower.... I have seen this happening quite often... And btw, AmigaINC could have refused to give hyperion a license to port os4... they have done more than gateway did for the amiga platform...
Why attack someone for the platform/os they prefer?
Also if i post something negative about genesis, morphos, pegasos or similar, then i am called a troll... But it is totally ok to post negative about amigainc, os4 and so on?
Was totally opposite a year or two ago though...
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Why attack someone for the platform/os they prefer?
I never have and I never will. I do critisise people for defending Amiga Inc. but I certainly would never critisise anyone for their choice of platform.
The original post attacked the users of this site (ie me) for NOT choosing the OS4 A1 option. He has since appologised, and I personally feel the matter is closed.
What is intersting is that the Access do not function as one would expect, this is something that I would liek to get to the bottom of.
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I never have and I never will. I do critisise people for defending Amiga Inc. but I certainly would never critisise anyone for their choice of platform.
I did not mean all do it, but i have seen a few cases lately by some certain other persons....
I am totally ok with those who choose pegasos over amigaone also, just so that is said.
Let us all just be friends :-)
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I took the liberty to spawn off the off topic "they say I'm licking X/Y butt for owning X/Y hardware" sub-thread to here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4609).
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'The original post attacked the users of this site (ie me) for NOT choosing the OS4 A1 option.'
Wrong. The original post pointed out that he fully expected to BE attacked by various factions that populate Amiga.org based on his choice of hardware platform.
On that alone, there was no reason for him to apologize for vocalizing the plainly obvious.
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Wrong. The original post pointed out that he fully expected to BE attacked by various factions that populate Amiga.org based on his choice of hardware platform.
On that alone, there was no reason for him to apologize for vocalizing the plainly obvious.
I tried not to respond, I really did. Its all off topic, but really, you are totally ignoring three important points, namely:
1) Ole-Egil, jokingly or not, said that he felt *anyone* reading his post thinks he's an idiot because of his personal choice. Just because a minority of people act like ####s over such things is no excuse to make sweeping generalisations.
making me an idiot in the eyes of people here
2) Nobody said anything about his choice of "future Amigoid platform", and they wouldn't have done in any case. It has no relevence to his trouble with the access.
3) His statement was unnecessarily inflammatory, and bound to cause ill feeling and debate, which it duly did. That just wouldn't have happened if he hadn't of made the statement in the first place.
Ole-Egil acknowledged that he shouldn't have made the statement.
That is my final say on the subject. Feel free to "have the last word", but it won't make an iota of difference to me.
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I don't get it.
This is stupid.
Why fight about peoples preference in hardware when the EXPERIENCE everyone is after is the same?
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bloodline wrote:
What is intersting is that the Access do not function as one would expect, this is something that I would like to get to the bottom of.
Yes, can we go back to the topic please? :-)
I think i remmeber something about the Access having faster memry access than a A1200 from their website waaay back, anybody who knows more?