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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Retail News / Sales => Topic started by: gary_c on June 13, 2005, 02:44:04 AM
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An upgraded version of Genesi's Pegasos II ODW is available at a lower price of US$799 for a limited time. The 1GHz G4 Pegasos II comes with 512MB DDR RAM, 80GB ATA100 hard disk, dual-layer DVD±RW drive, etc. The ODW is installed with a number of operating systems and applications as well as a complete toolchain. Assembly and shipping will be managed by Directron.
Click here (http://genesi.pegasosppc.com/press.php?date=20050608)
200-Euro Pegasos I to Pegasos II upgrade offer
Owners of Pegasos I boards can now upgrade (http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2005/06/finally-bye-mai-its-june.html) to a G4 Pegasos II for Euro 200. The returned boards will be donated to the Skole Linux effort. Or, for an additional Euro 100, the Peg I owner can keep the board rather than return it to Genesi. Those interested in the offer should email sales@pegasosppc.com by 30 June, 2005.
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Thanks Gary!
Thanks Wayne!
:-)
Let's go for it!
R&B :-D
P.S. Check out the NEW ___Cool___ stuff...
http://bbrv.blogspot.com/
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This is a great offer for everyone who is interested in the next PowerPC Generation.
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payment in advance . . . . brrrrrrv! :nervous:
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payment in advance . . . . brrrrrrv!
What do you mean? This is a typical payment/delivery procedure. Don't you normally pay at the time of ordering when you buy something online?
-- gary_c
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never . . . in Amigaland even less.
COD its my key rule.
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This is a typical payment/delivery procedure.
Absolutely agreed when you're actually ordering a product which has already been created and is ready for delivery.
I believe in this case however there is a tendency for people to equate "payment in advance" with "pre-pay" which has been an overly-abused scam for years in the Amiga community where you may, or may not eventually see the product you paid for.
Wayne
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Not even Apple is interested in the "next PowerPC generation" so the idea of spending $799 for 2003's generation PPC machine (G4) is humorous at best.
Wayne
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Poster: Framiga Posted: 2005/6/13 9:41:44
never . . . in Amigaland even less.
COD its my key rule.
Why? Your pretty damn safe with using a credit card. The deck is always stacked in the favor of the consumer (and against the merchant).
Dammy
Head Troll
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IMHO, these sound like good deals for anyone interested in Pegasos II ... :-)
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I almost bought one of these, however I got turned off by the UPS shipping. $799 for the system + $23 for shipping + $200 for UPS brokerage fees (aka please bend over so that we could stick it up your arse fee). :-(
If they only offered USPS.
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Absolutely agreed when you're actually ordering a product which has already been created and is ready for delivery.
...Which seems to be the situation here. A guy posted at Morphzone that he'd just ordered one of these on June 9, and four days later posted screenshots and photos of his machine, so apparently they are shipping as soon as the order is received.
-- gary_c
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Not even Apple is interested in the "next PowerPC generation" so the idea of spending $799 for 2003's generation PPC machine (G4) is humorous at best.
And? I am still using an A1200 which is much older.
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Hi Gary,
I guess my point wasn't that it was a pre-pay scheme, just bad wording, easily mis-interpreted considering the number of people who've been ripped off before.
I don't know the situation with these systems, whether pre-paid or ready-to-ship. I don't really care, because it's not as though I'd ever waste that amount of money on antiquated technology (especially now that Apple has pledged it soul to Intel).
I was just clarifying to the original poster and your reply about the normality of paying for a product versus it being a "pre-pay" situation.
The fact that anyone in this millenia doesn't understand that you have to pay before receiving a product is a bit mystifying.
However, it's not as though the Amiga community needs a reason to mis-interpret anyone's words. It's a natural gift for most I believe.
Wayne
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@DJBase,
So your defense of overpriced, antiquated hardware is that you have nothing better?
I will admit that $799 for a complete machine isn't a "bad" deal and it's definitely a step in the right direction, it would be a lot better deal if it were realistic hardware and not early 2003 specs.
For the same $799, I could build a hell of a PC, or even buy a top-end Mac Mini which may still run a G4, but has modern USB and other modern stuff.
(I do not intend to disparage bPlan at all. I understand it's impossible for a small shop to keep up with constantly updated hardware specs, but at the same time, they can't claim "small shop" and "competitive" in the same breath).
Wayne
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@DJBase
$499, or maybe even $599 might have swayed my opinion, but I just saw a higher-powered laptop for less than $650 that I would buy much faster than an "Old Dead Workstation" (not my term, but I like it)
Wayne
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>For the same $799, I could build a hell of a PC,
>or even buy a top-end Mac Mini which may still
>run a G4, but has modern USB and other modern
>stuff.
Ok, let's compare the macmini offer to the ODW
offer.
While you are right, that the mac mini has in some
areas the more modern hardware you can easily find
out, that it hasn't in other areas.
At the Apple site the "high tech" mac mini costs
599usd. In this configuration the mac mini neither
has 512mb ram nor a SuperDrive. If you want to
have a superdrive and 512mb ram you have to pay
749USD at the official Apple web store.
However in that configuration the mac mini still
has no 16x Dual Layer SuperDrive (only 4x Single
Layer), still has no gigabit ethernet port, and
only has a 32MB Radeon 9200 graphics card
while the ODW uses a 128MB Radeon 9250 card. Also
you have to wait up to 8 business days for
shipping while the ODW is available right now.
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@zac,
Yes, but the Mac Mini has an OS used by millions, over 100,000 active developers, an active community, and more importantly, a future. At least until 2007, at which time I'm almost certain they will be building a x86 replacement of sorts.
Wayne
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I'll vouch for Directron being a good company to deal with. I've bought literally thousands of dollars of stuff from them over the years.
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Its a very good offer! I want a new system and this is very tempting for me..
x56h34: Did you mail them and ask about the shipping ? Too bad if they only ship that way :(
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$200 for UPS brokerage fees (aka please bend over so that we could stick it up your arse fee).
For buying a product from a company that does business in the US and supposedly has a physical business location in the US. That's obsurd! Are these being drop shipped from China!
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Apple is dead. Piracy will kill them off. OSX will
be hacked for everyone to use, no question about
that.
If they had problems with piracy before, they can't
imagine what they'll have now..
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@Argo
Directron is a US company, located in the US. I don't understand the hostility, it's UPS charging the brokerage fee, not Directron or Genesi.
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Piracy is just part of the game for every platform. The only real thing to do about it is to get in-roads into business, and to keep working to secure it.
Remember, they said x86, not "PC" which means that the systems they deliver could have absolutely nothing to do with everyday PC's except the accessories (cards, mem, drives, etc). In other words, you can bet your ass that it'll be a proprietary motherboard which would probably prohibit OSX from being used on a generic board.
The difference is, Apple will do things the right way.
Wayne
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The $200USD is my estimated number, which I assume that UPS would add to the total amount. It doesn't have to do anything with Genesi or anyone else other than UPS.
UPS always does that, no matter how big or small your imported package is. They charge canadian/ontario pst and gst taxes to any package that comes into Canada (that's 15% added to the total cost) plus their inflated brokerage fee, which would add around $200 extra to the order. :-(
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>Yes, but the Mac Mini has an OS used by millions
The ODW is designed for Linux development. Those
that buy the ODW aren't interested in MacOS.
They only compare the machines by its specs and the
fact if Linux is actively supported on it. And
obviously the ODW has a better standing there than
the macmini.
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one hell of a deal. hopefully they sell enough units to "make up" with the rest of the MOS team so they can continue on.
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payment in advance . . . . brrrrrrv!
These systems come from Directron NOT Genesi. Directron is a huge hardware dealer. you have nothing to worry about at all. Becides I have never had a problem with Genesi. Framiga I believe you said when the Pegasos II first came out and I ordered it I would never see it? 4 days later it was at my house.
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If they are all US companies, then why is there a brokerage fee?
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@x56h34
Okay, I assumed since you mentioned the USPS that you were in the US.
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@Argo:
Brokerage fee only applies to orders shipped by UPS that go to other countires. E.g. if I were to order from Canada, upon delivery the UPS driver would politely ask for more money. :-)
That's how UPS robs customers. It's insane.
If I were to go by USPS, there would probably still be some import fees that'd need to be paid by me, however SIGNIFICANTLY less than what UPS wants.
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@ Wayne
Thats the only hardware where I can use MorphOS and the price is OK for such a niche system. I could buy a cheap PC from Aldi or whatever but can I use MorphOS with it? No? So what? Even when the ODW is mentioned as Linux Developer Box, it is a good offer for a PowerPC line which is Open.
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@DJ,
Well, if you want to use MorphOS (and it is a fun little OS), then you're pretty much stuck with it. Personally speaking, I'd have loved to have seen it ported to the Mac Mini, as I would have OS4, but oh well.
Wayne
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I think that it is a step in the right direction:
- They have successfully lower the price. $800 may seems high for USA buyers but the $ lost a lot of value in the last 4 years. It is about 650 E which is a good price for such a specific product.
The Pegasos is built in Europe and ATM it makes it more difficult to be exported to $ currency countries. On the other hand, assembling in the USA helps to reduce shipping costs for USA customers.
- The upgrade program allows you to keep your Peg1 G3.
If you sell your Peg 1 to another Amigan (let say 150 E with the RAM) it makes the cost of the upgrade at 150E (300 - 150) AND allows a new user to become a Pegasos owner for a very inexpensive price.
The negative point are the high fees with UPS. I hope that there is another way to handle it.
As for comparing to PCs and MACs. If the aim is to run Amiga (and Morphos) applications it is like comparing apple and oranges.
If the aim is to run Linux than the Mac Mini and Pegasos are not in the same category. Both have different pros and cons. Also a PC would be definitely cheaper.
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UPS always does that, no matter how big or small your imported package is. They charge canadian/ontario pst and gst taxes to any package that comes into Canada (that's 15% added to the total cost) plus their inflated brokerage fee, which would add around $200 extra to the order.
No matter how you get that system into Canada, be it driving it across the border yourself, having delivered by the post office, or delivered by UPS you will always owe the GST (federal) and PST (provincial) tax.
There are no "duties" on computer parts coming into Canada (at least none that I have paid).
Canada Post (at least here in BC) charges a $5.00 "handling fee". That is the only extra charge.
If your supplier insists on UPS see about upgrading from ground service to air. At a certain level of air service UPS charges less in fees and at another level there are no fees at all for customs clearance. All you would end up owing is the PST/GST. Your best bet is to call UPS and ask which levels of service incur which charges. It may turn out to be cheaper to send your computer UPS 3-day air and bypass some of the fees.
Just some friendly advice... :-)
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Pleaaase Wayne stop this "too expensive" troll
I got much respect about you and your opinion but havent you ever imagined that lots of people got goods jobs around the world and so that more/less 100 euros is not not a problem for an hobby.
So the only condition to buy will then be "is it an unique product ?" offering opportunies i cant found in other products :-)
So some time ago i bought a PegasosII (yes!) almost only to compile my programs for a PPC AmigaOS... but what is the problem if i got the money ;-)
After all lots of people buy cellular phones only to phone at an expensive price===> if price was all they wont have buyed that ;-P
And not talking about Ferraris limited to 130km/h here (what a a waste ;-P )
Cordially
Alain - 3D coder for Tales of Tamar
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@woof,
First off, mis-use of the word "troll" as I'm not. I posted what I have because I believe that even at $799, it's too expensive for what you get. I supported that with the example that you can get a far faster and more modern PC for far less money ($299 I believe from Dell).
Doing so doesn't mean I'm "trolling" at all. People have hobbies. If I were a millionaire, I'd be driving a $200,000 Shelby GT 500, so it's all relative.
As a computing platform, I simply don't see any "payback" for spending that kind of money for a machine that (quite possibly) has no market, and will never get out of the hobby arena (and yes, I'm grouping the A1 into that as well).
If you want an ODW and can afford it, go for it. The temporary price of $799 is a hell of a lot better than the normal $1300, and a step in the right direction, but *to me* both the Pegasos and A1 are still $399 machines at best.
You've got your opinion, I've got mine. No worries there.
Wayne