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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: ikir on March 22, 2005, 01:14:50 PM
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Garry Hare clears some points in this follow up and reveal OS4 running on a new hardware.
Yes I have OS4 running on an Amiga and elsewhere
Read it on AmigaWorld.net
Follow Up with Hare (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2167)
20 questions with Eyetech (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2169)
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[22:13:37] *Gold* Who are the AmigaOnePartners, and who owns OS4?
[22:15:28] The AmigaOne Partners are collectively Hyperion and Eyetech. Amiga, Inc. licensed them the right to develope AmigaOS 4.0 in 2001. In consideration of this they have defined distribution rights.
2. Does Hyperion (I refer to AmigaOne Partners) have the right to extend OS 4.0 to say 4.1?
Yes they do.
3. Will they (extend that is)?
That is a business decision. I would assume If AmigaOne Partners find the market, we all hope to see, this decision is obvious.
If this means what it looks like it means, i.e. that Eyetech have some say whatsoever about AmigaOS itself and what hardware it will be sold for (beyond their own permission to distribute 3rd party hardware bundled with AmigaOS), then AmigaOS is obviously dead.
Saving (well, at least "not killing") AmigaOS would no longer simply be a matter of AInc dropping the compulsory hardware licensing/bundling idea. It would mean that Eyetech would have to give up the rights they were contractually granted when the "old" AInc were in a drunken stupor or whatever. That won't happen, unless they get the "old" AInc people to pleed temporary insanity and declare the contract void...
Then again, with this interpretation of what Hare said, it would mean that the "old" AInc were lying when they claimed that they welcomed new licensees to compete on equal terms with the other licensee, which now "has been licensed the development of AmigaOS", "have defined distribution rights" and is a "Partner" with the software producer. On top of that Hare didn't seem to be quite up to date on simple things like what AmigaOS or an "AmigaOne" really are, and all that "Partner" and "licensed the development of AOS" could be marketing hyperbole best left ignored.
1. Is Amiga, Inc. planning to kill off AmigaOS 4.0?
No, no, no and NO!
ROTFL!
If we're to take what he said at face value, AmigaOS was killed by the "old" AInc and Eyetech in 2001. Besides, what the hell kind of answer would anyone expect to get from that question?
- "Are you planning on killing Mr. X?"
- "Mr Y repeatedly shot Mr X in the head with a howitzer. Then he fed the recoverable pieces of Mr X's body to the pigs. I will now chop up those pigs with this axe, set fire to the pieces, grind down the charred remains, and keep them in my freezer. So, no, no, no and NO!, I'm not planning to kill Mr X."
ikir said:
Garry Hare clears some points ...
Oh? So that's what it is? To me it looks like the same all over again, plus replies to questions that nobody's asked.
... and reveal OS4 running on a new hardware.
From the word "elsewhere", you come to the darndest conclusions to post as a factual news item here. :)
Another possible interpretation: Amiga = an Amiga (with a CS/PPC). Elsewhere = something other than an Amiga, like an "AmigaOne".
There's no way to tell exactly what these answers mean.
Don't you remember Fleecy claiming to be impressed by AmigaOS4 running on an "AmigaOne" - way before development had even started on AmigaOS4, and when the Escena AmigaOne didn't even have a northbridge?
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20 questions to Eyetech?
What for? Eyetech are in no position to answer all those questions about hardware development, future Teron models et c. It's like asking your local supermarket about possible future dairy products instead of asking the dairy.
Don't people already know what the answers will be to those questions anyway? They'll get to hear what they want to hear ("we're looking in to that, we're planning Improvement X, we can't tell you that yet but things look great, we'll do better in the future, we retroactively declared those to be "developer boards" so {bleep} off and buy our new stuff", [insert idiotic meta-conspiracy "blue side" strawman bullcrap]) and post so many dancing bananas in response that an A4000 with a working 8MB chip-RAM jumper would balk at viewing the thread. :)
Here are some questions from me, with regards to the latest ownership shuffle at AInc. In case someone's who's still got their Portal account would like to try to post them...
Are Eyetech in any way whatsoever, directly or indirectly, involved in making decisions about AmigaOS target hardware (other than what you sell or plan to sell yourself) and the licensing of other vendors?
Garry Hare said that you ("collectively" with Hyperion) have been licensed the development of AmigaOS4. Is he only referring to the specific AmigaOS4 version to be sold with the hardware you're selling, or AmigaOS4 in general (all versions/revisions developed by Hyperion)?
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That cleared up quite a bit of my worries..
Thanks Garry :)
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@seehund
You seem worried :-P
I think you have to wait for the final release of os4 for other hardware/motherboards to be available from different companies.
Eyetech just got first in line to produce hardware to shorten the waiting time, so that users could be able to play with os4 betas and pre-releases before the final.
Logic isnt it?
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Don't you remember Fleecy claiming to be impressed by AmigaOS4 running on an "AmigaOne" - way before development had even started on AmigaOS4, and when the Escena AmigaOne didn't even have a northbridge?
What he saw was MorphOS running on a Pegasos.
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It says 20 questions. Where are the remaining 8 ???
[color=FF0000]x303[/color] :-D :-D :-D
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Nice followup from Gary.
:-)
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It says 20 questions. Where are the remaining 8 ???
Those are Eyetech's questions. They haven't been answered yet.
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Yes I have OS4 running on an Amiga and elsewhere
Ahhhhh.....It's a laptop...say it's a laptop.. You keep hinting at a laptop....It's a laptop isn't it? It must be a laptop. C'mon, we want a laptop.
Ok. Going back to my happy place now. :spy
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@cdfr
No cigar.....
That statemet was made AFTER the 2nd round of negotiations with MorphOS/bPlan failed.
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Ahhhhh.....It's a laptop...say it's a laptop.. You keep hinting at a laptop....It's a laptop isn't it? It must be a laptop. C'mon, we want a laptop
Think smaller than a laptop ;-)
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restore2003,
You seem worried
That was before. Then AmigaOS still seemed to have a chance, with just one easy change of plans. Now, IF Eyetech actually has been contractually granted any control at all over AmigaOS + hardware/dealer options it seems like it's all over, and worrying is pointless and too late.
I think you have to wait for the final release of os4 for other hardware/motherboards to be available from different companies.
What do you mean when you say available? All hardware has always been and will always be available independent of AInc & co.
If you mean the same hardware also being available for AmigaOS users, yeah, we'll have to wait for AInc & co. to allow us to buy it from a "special" dealer. Without that permission, it's no use to even start AmigaOS/driver development for that hardware.
For example, the Terons are available from different companies, but not if you want to be an AmigaOS4 user.
Eyetech just got first in line to produce hardware to shorten the waiting time, so that users could be able to play with os4 betas and pre-releases before the final.
Eyetech aren't producing anything, they've merely got the uninterested AInc's exclusive permission to act as a middleman to sell hardware from third parties to AmigaOS users. If there was an interest in shortening waiting time, the obvious first target hardware should have been something that was already working, tested and available in larger numbers on an unrestricted market, and not come up with a retarded scheme that SLOWS DOWN development, sales and market growth. Also, being forced to stay with Eyetech and whatever unfinished product they could find to sell has meant waiting for both a properly working product and that Eyetech would join the other companies selling it, and that precious AmigaOS development time and resources have been wasted on trying to make both AmigaOS and Linux workarounds for hardware flaws, as well as a complete change of firmware. The release of AmigaOS4 alphas/developer pre-release/beta-components certainly has not happened thanks to Eyetech, some mystical inherent and unique feature of the Terons, or the compulsory hardware licensing scheme!
Eyetech got first in line? What line? The one that's completely unnecessary but was invented by Eyetech, and where everyone but Eyetech were eventually kicked out, and which Eyetech now seemingly control admission to themselves? "You must be >THIS< stupid to ride this ride." That line? :)
Logic isnt it?
A very "special" kind of logic. :) At least if they're actually trying to sell AmigaOS.
Oh well. Happy Easter everybody! Bye bye for a while.
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Think smaller than a laptop
Well, replace "CS/PPC" in my post above with "another Amiga accelerator" then. ;) How Exciting.
Full ACK to that?
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That was before. Then AmigaOS still seemed to have a chance, with just one easy change of plans. Now, IF Eyetech actually has been contractually granted any control at all over AmigaOS + hardware/dealer options it seems like it's all over, and worrying is pointless and too late.
If one plan doesnt work what about b plan? Ermmm.. I mean AROS :)
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Well, replace "CS/PPC" in my post above with "another Amiga accelerator" then. ;) How Exciting
No you plank! Smaller as in the computer is smaller than a laptop, how thick can someone be?
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Poster: Seehund Posted: 2005/3/22 18:16:27
I don't know but this post resemble too much the movie 'The Usual Suspects'... :-P
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Poster: sicky Posted: 2005/3/23 19:04:10
No you plank! Smaller as in the computer is smaller than a laptop, how thick can someone be?
A mini-itx in a small case with external psu is smaller than most laptops so a Teron mini without the sticker....
Nah, I think it´s the ACK-accelerator running standalone without an A1200! That would be small and nice. Now THAT would be something for the embedded market. :-D
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It wasn't a full 20 questions was it? A CEO that can't do math? I guess that explains why Fleecy is still in the country, employed in this Amiga project. Shudder. I'm sad to say they seem to have drank the Fleecy/Bill Kool-Aid.
We want Joe Torre!
Anyway if they're talking laptops, PLEASE spare us those BS marketroid "XBrite Widescreen" displays. Those pieces of junk are only 1280x800. Hell, old Dell craptops with 13" displays were higher-resolution 1400x1050.
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@boing:
Let me put it straight to you so you can understand:
There are two articles:
- the 20 Questions - With Alan Redhouse of Eyetech! (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2169),Hello All, we at Amigaworld.net are always looking to give you the best service, as a result, we are very pleased to announce that Alan Redhouse, the man behind the AmigaOne Series of Computers, has agreed to answer 20 Questions from our members.
But what is been discussed here is the follow-up from Garry Hare (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2167), where he does try to do some damage control on the apropriate thread.
As many of you know I don't spend much time on public boards. But when I woke up to full e-mail, jammed cell messages and many of my people pointing me to specific posts, I made an exception and have now spent several hours reading your comments and speculation. I certainly didn't mean to set all this off. My motivation in agreeing to the IRC was clearly my insanity - hopefully temporary. One disadvantage to this means of communication is it does not allow for quick follow-up questions. And, as an aside, the bot cut off some of my best and most controversial comments. But I guess the ones that got through filled that bill.
It wasn't a full 20 questions was it? A CEO that can't do math? I guess that explains why Fleecy is still in the country, employed in this Amiga project. Shudder. I'm sad to say they seem to have drank the Fleecy/Bill Kool-Aid.
Gee, aren't we feeling smart now!?
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I don't know but this post resemble too much the movie 'The Usual Suspects'...
Huh? How? Who's Keyser Söze?
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Don't forget the :-) please ;-)... it resembles 'The usual suspects' as only for the title alone!:-D