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Title: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 01:02:11 AM
 :-x
I bought this. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2754046105&category=4598&rd=1) The packaging was absolutely terrible. The boards are taped together with packing tape and put in a box loose :-x

Needless to say they arrived very heavily damaged on top of the fact they are not in the "excelent condition" as described in the auction.

[color=CC0000]DO NOT BUY FROM THIS SELLER![/color][/b]

I am going to file a dispute with ebay against this guy, what a jerk :-x
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: howie on October 15, 2003, 01:11:56 AM
I hate to point out the obvious but, "Caveat Emptor". :-x
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: lempkee on October 15, 2003, 01:12:24 AM
check the pictures! , they got tape on em aswell!.

i shopped from this guy aswell and guess what...the gamebox (which he wrote was MINT) was taped with transparent tape ...the wide one...so if i ever want to take the tape off (to check the game out...of this very rare game) then i will ruin the box!

what a lamer!

beyond that ...he packed my item well! ..as in 3x the size of the gamebox and lots and lots of thoose squiggly things which looks like cheese doodles :D

he could have just put a stamp on the box and sent it for all i concern since the box is totally dead anyway ;(.

good luck with the dood , it wont last long until he starts to ask for a comment + he wont put a comment on you until u have written one on him...

my guess...u post a negative...he gives a negative back!.

cheers
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 01:13:50 AM
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The package arrived today and I am bitterly disapointed.

1) The auction describes boards in excelent condition, these boards are incomplete and obviously have been worked on heavily. They are in very poor condition even before being shipped.
2) You taped these boards together losely with packing tape and placed losely in a box. They arrived very heavily damaged. Most of the motherboard pins are bent, capacitors are broken off etc.

I'm sorry, but you obviously do not know how to handle delicate electronic equipment and knowingly mistated the condition. Your auction description is entirely innacurate, therefore I demand a full refund including my shipping costs.

I look foward to your response.

Regards,
Jim Farley
 
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: lorddef on October 15, 2003, 01:14:54 AM
bad beef... although they do look badly looked after in the photo :-(
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 01:16:06 AM
Yeah well, I will be filing a report with eBay shortly.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: amigamad on October 15, 2003, 01:16:31 AM
well some ****** on amibench had a powertower for an a1200 for 30 pound plus 11 pound for postage when i emailed he said he still had it, so i said i would have it and he replied but no details so after sending 3 emails he tells me he is swapping it with someone else after agreeing to sell it to me .

this was the reply

I'm prob taking an A1200 in exhcnage but in any case I'm gonna be away till
mid Nov now on business so by all means email then in case the othr guy
cannot wait.

James


two words i could say but wont .ill keep looking for a power tower .

I hate thes idots.


 :-(
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 01:17:35 AM
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lorddef wrote:
bad beef... although they do look badly looked after in the photo :-(


Hell I figured he'd be smart enough to put some sort of insulation between the boards :-x
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: lorddef on October 15, 2003, 01:22:56 AM
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redrumloa wrote:
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lorddef wrote:
bad beef... although they do look badly looked after in the photo :-(


Hell I figured he'd be smart enough to put some sort of insulation between the boards :-x


The one thing I have discovered so far in life is that people are dumb, he is obviously a ####. I hope you manage to get your money back though.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: lorddef on October 15, 2003, 01:24:54 AM
@ amigamad

I'm stripping down my A1200 if you are interested in the powerflyer.  Just let me get the tower gone first.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: lorddef on October 15, 2003, 01:28:36 AM
wait ...

"11 pound for postage"

did it come with a 10kg weight as well !?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: odin on October 15, 2003, 01:41:09 AM
@lorddef: I'd be interested in the powerflyer :-).
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: jdiffend on October 15, 2003, 01:41:41 AM
Well... at least you got them intact.
I made 2 purchases from someone and both were a problem.

I won the first item... it was readvertised 3 times before they actually realized I'd won the auction (5 emails later).

They didn't ship the monitor that was supposed to be included.  I send several emails... no reply.

At this point I won the 2nd auction.

After 4 emails and threatening not to pay for the 2nd item they finally claimed it was an oversight and it would ship the next day.

I wait a couple days and pay.

2nd item arrived 2 weeks later.  Looked nothing like the picture (nor did the first item) and it was missing parts.

10 more emails and a week pass and still no monitor.

I report them to ebay for fraud and suddenly I get a quick response and they claim they don't have my address or they would have shipped it.

The monitor shows up... more than a week later... the moron broke the monitor stand getting it off to pack it.  The face of the monitor was up against the side of the box and it was damaged.

And... they leave ME negative feedback.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 02:07:34 AM
No surpirse here!! What an ***hole!

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Hi,This auction is for a lot of 10 board (PCB) Amiga 500 rock lobster.They
look in very good condition but they are NOT TESTED so its sold as is NO
WARANTY. Please check the pics because this is what you will get.
IT SAY THEY LOOK IN VERY GOOD CONDITION BUT NOT TESTED,SOLD AS IS NO WARANTY
IF YOU CHECK THE PICS YOU RECEIVED IT LIKE THAT.
NO WARANTY,NOT TESTED,SOLD AS IS
THAT'S IT
GO AHEAD WITH YOUR FEEDBACK AND I WILL DO THE SAME>
If you can not read before you buy ITS YOUR PROBLEM,NOT MINE.
www.amusement911.com
 
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 15, 2003, 02:12:13 AM
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redrumloa wrote:
No surpirse here!! What an ***hole!

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Hi,This auction is for a lot of 10 board (PCB) Amiga 500 rock lobster.They
look in very good condition but they are NOT TESTED so its sold as is NO
WARANTY. Please check the pics because this is what you will get.
IT SAY THEY LOOK IN VERY GOOD CONDITION BUT NOT TESTED,SOLD AS IS NO WARANTY
IF YOU CHECK THE PICS YOU RECEIVED IT LIKE THAT.
NO WARANTY,NOT TESTED,SOLD AS IS
THAT'S IT
GO AHEAD WITH YOUR FEEDBACK AND I WILL DO THE SAME>
If you can not read before you buy ITS YOUR PROBLEM,NOT MINE.
www.amusement911.com
 


What a bastard! :-o
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 02:26:57 AM
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1) The boards do NOT look to be in very good condition. Even prior to the extreme shipping damage the are dirty, missing a lot of chips and obviously have been worked on. No one could possibly mistake these for being in good condition.

2) You did not ship these in a safe manner, electronic boards are very sensitive and must be handled properly. You shipped these so poorly they look as if they have been run over by a car.

3) You are now threatening negative feedback which is a yet another violation of eBay's TOS on top of your gross misrepresentation.

I do not take kindly to threats, I'm afraid you have picked the wrong person to rip off. I have filed a fraud complaint with eBay. You have violated several of eBay's TOS and proven yourself to be a rogue seller. I will wait until I receive eBay's reply to the fraud complaint until I decide whether to take legal action against you or not.

Jim
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: adolescent on October 15, 2003, 02:32:36 AM
Gotta check that feedback.  This guy has 24 negatives.  Even with the 1000+ positive I'd skip it.  Not worth the trouble.  Also, the fact that he hides his bidders (probably because people try to warn his potential victims) raises a large red flag for me.

Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: adolescent on October 15, 2003, 02:36:14 AM
BTW, I noticed he sells arcade stuff so I did a Deja search in RGVAM and RGVAC and there are lots of bad stories there also.


http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=amusement911&btnG=Google+Search&meta=group%3Drec.games.video.arcade.* (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=amusement911&btnG=Google+Search&meta=group%3Drec.games.video.arcade.*)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 02:42:04 AM
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Go ahead with your legal action,im ready
This is a real joke for the price you pay.
EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR in my AD,if you can not read its YOUR FAULT ,not mine.
This is my last reply to you.
I dont have time to loose with you for that type of money.
DID YOU CHECK how much you pay for shipping !!!!!!
AND how much it cost me !!!!!!
You think people will accept to ship stuff and give back money because YOU
expect to have BRAND NEW stuff in the box.
ARE YOU A DREAMER !!!!!!!
YOU ARE A FUNNY GUY.
Good Luck with YOUR LEGAL ACTION
My job is done,you pay me and i ship WHAT THE AUCTION SAY'S and SHOW
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 15, 2003, 02:50:42 AM
Looks like he's spoiling for a fight.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: downix on October 15, 2003, 03:07:24 AM
Thanks for letting me know.  You know I keep an eye out for arcade parts.

BTW, any of those boards happen to have a CIA chip left?  I need one for my A500.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Floid on October 15, 2003, 03:40:06 AM
Lame, but welcome to the world of surplus-grade hardware.

Think you've learned to communicate *prior* to bidding, so that'd be redundant at this point.  Obviously, interpretations of "PCB" differ.

Ever notice how the quantity of packing protection is usually inversely proportional to the amount of dents UPS/USPS put on the box?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Argo on October 15, 2003, 04:17:41 AM
Was it insured? How did you pay for it?
Guys obviously a moron if he's selling this kind of stuff and doesn't know how to treat it or ship it safely.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Argo on October 15, 2003, 04:23:06 AM
Damn, If I had know of this auction, I could have driven up an checked them out.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: FluffyMcDeath on October 15, 2003, 04:28:57 AM
@T

Three bucks a board and you were expecting .... what? A Miracle!!

OK, you obviously feel dissappointed, but this ad has "DON'T BUY THIS STUFF UNLESS YOU HAVE CRAWLSPACE THAT NEEDS FILLING" written all over it.

I can sympathise with you, but I couldn't find for you if I were asked to arbitrate.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 04:40:31 AM
I think I have CIAs regardless.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 04:42:18 AM
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FluffyMcDeath wrote:
I can sympathise with you, but I couldn't find for you if I were asked to arbitrate.


Fraud is fraud whether it's $1 or $1,000,000. The cost is certainly not going to hurt me, but it looks like this guy has scammed quite a few people. Most buyers are too scared to say anything and will take the loss. I don't take being scammed very well. BTW with shipping it was over $5 a board. If it would have been shipped properly I wouldn't have been so upset. But when you open the box and pieces just start falling out... :-x
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: downix on October 15, 2003, 04:58:46 AM
Hmm, then maybe I should get 3 so I can get my other 1000 running too.

Need better ROM's than 1.3 for the 500 tho.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 05:02:35 AM
Eh, maybe I'm going overboard.

Poll: Who thinks I should smack this guy around and who thinks I should be happy since it was cheap?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Madgun68 on October 15, 2003, 05:20:30 AM
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Poll: Who thinks I should smack this guy around and who thinks I should be happy since it was cheap?
Well, I don't think you should smack the guy around, but I don't think that you got a fair shake for the auction either.

For $20 I think a little more care should have been given in packaging these items.

Reminds me of the Amiga 4000 I bought off Ebay. I figured for the price, I was getting a pretty decent deal. (Somewhere in the $600 range. Included a Cyberstorm PPC card, Cybervision PPC, two 18gig scsi drives, a dat drive, jazz drive.)

Know what the majority item used to pack it in was? Newspaper, which wouldn't have helped much just going across the States, but this was coming from Europe. One of the harddrives was doa, the cybervision had some of the smt resistors knocked off it. (Not to mention not everything got shipped.)

I wound up just not leaving feedback at all. (One party leaves negative feedback and honesty goes out the window on the other side.)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Argo on October 15, 2003, 06:41:55 AM
Is there anything salvagable?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: meerschaum on October 15, 2003, 06:57:25 AM
maybe you should smack yourself around (no offense), the picture clearly shows a bunch of junky old motherboards laying on top of one another in a not-so-clean or safe manner!... the picture even shows the tape on the boards.

Where they cheap for what they where??? I personally dont know!, but I'd wager you'd lose if it went to a jury ;) because they look like crap in the pictures and if you got delivered crap? maybe it was crap he was selling!?

I think you simply purchased wrong, he said 'not test' 'no warrenty' and 'sold as is', he added an opinon that they looked good, later on he says something to the effect (to tired to quote it) "not responsible for all in sundry once it leaves my hands", so he pretty much told ya "I'm gonna send ya these junky weird boards for a low price, dont expect them to work" ...
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Waccoon on October 15, 2003, 09:14:31 AM
You have *GOT* to be kidding.

I agree that you shouldn't buy from this guy, but this is hardly misrepresentation.  Even in the E-Bay photo I can clearly see warpage on the bottom board, especially on the joystick ports.  These things originally shipped in anti-static bags, and now they are taped together with super-static packaging tape with a piece of cardboard for a label?  Also, any time someone says "Untested" you should read it  as "paperweight".  Sorry pal, but as far as selection goes, this is your own fault.

I say this as an employee in a small store, and you wouldn't believe the shipping crap I have to put up with on brand new products right from the manufacturer.  We have to open and inspect EVERY shipment we get.  If it's damaged, the package is refused, and let the sender deal with the broken packaging.

As for shipping, well, $20 is pretty steep.  I always ask about shipping conditions, packaging, and insurance before the auction ends.

Noritsu shipped us a new stainless steel frame, valued at over a grand, for our QSS-2711 photo printer, and it arrived in a flimsy, HEAVILY crushed box.  Upon opening, it was just the frame submerged in a sea of peanuts, without even a plastic bag around it.  A Noritsu tech came in the next day to put the frame in, and... aside from the fact he was as shocked as we were over the packaging, of course, he found out it was all bent.  Keep in mind that the frame is about 4 feet long, and can't be off square by more than half a millimeter.  What idiots.

I just placed an order for a car seat for my Subaru.  I was originally going to buy it online, but seeing how it's valued at over $600, I figured I'd go call an official, licensed retailer.  It cost me more than it would've online, but after I found out all kinds of ordering restrictions from the manufacturer (which were NOT listed on the unlicensed Internet shops) I have absolutely no regrets of paying extra and talking to a person over the phone.

But, yeah, I'm beating this dead horse...
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Linchpin on October 15, 2003, 12:50:51 PM
Personally i think you should get in the car, drive and open a can of whoop-ass on this dude!

Heh Heh :-)

They do look pretty chewed in the photos, but it says working condition so...
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: lorddef on October 15, 2003, 12:57:15 PM
Thats why I usually only buy from the UK, so if somebody rippes off bigtime  I can go and beat the living #### out of them  :-)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 01:36:10 PM
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I agree that you shouldn't buy from this guy, but this is hardly misrepresentation.


Yes it is. Many people here seem to have either misunderstood me or didn't read his description. The auction stated "excelent condition". I wasn't expecting new boards or even boards that would be repaired. All I was expecting was that was in fair condition that I could salvage some chips off. These boards even before shipping damage are not in even fair condition. Chips are missing, other chips are damaged/solder to, yet other chips are covered with apoxy. Overall the boards look like hell, dirty etc.

Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Vincent on October 15, 2003, 02:07:59 PM
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ALSO NOT RESPONSABLE FOR ITEM AFTER IT LEAVES MY HANDS..IF ITEM IS DAMAGED THEN YOU ARE RESPONSABLE FOR THE CLAIM WITH SHIPPER NOT ME.


What a wanker.  I bet he'll never own up to the fact that he didn't pack them properly and blame it on the shipping co.

-edit-

btw, these say it all:

Quote
armis-brooks( 72) ------ Aug-09-02 08:58:50 PST ------ (private) ------ S
Complaint : Items damaged due to bad packing - has yet to replace them or answer e-mail
Follow-up by armis-brooks - I expect what I purchase to arrive undamaged. Retaliatory Neg FB Itm 2114754122
Response by amusement911 - This guy is SICK,you should read Email he sent me>>Will Forward to Anyone want .


Quote
sexpistoljohnny( 412) ------ Nov-29-01 11:45:27 PST ------ (private) ------ S
Complaint : PCB BROKEN IGNORES EMAILS THEN GIVES 'ME' A NEG? HE'S VERY, VERY VENDICTIVE!!
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Eddie on October 15, 2003, 03:15:01 PM
>Reminds me of the Amiga 4000 I bought off Ebay. I
>figured for the price, I was getting a pretty decent
>deal. (Somewhere in the $600 range. Included a
>Cyberstorm PPC card, Cybervision PPC, two 18gig
>scsi drives, a dat drive, jazz drive.)

Hey was this from Denmark with a desktop with a missing lid ?  I was seconds away from putting a bid in on this one too, I thought I'd missed out on a bargain at the time.

I've had a couple of bad experiences with ebay, a A4000 desktop I brought from Austria turned up packed with three layers of very thing worn bubble wrap smashed apart. :-(
On top of that the case was bent ~3mm in the middle  (and those A4000 desktops are built like tanks!), must have had a ton+ weight on it - I learn't then never allow things to be sent overland post!  especially in Europe.  Got insurance sorted at least and the seller was a decent bloke.

Back to this ****hole with the A500 boards, isn't it against ebays policy to blackmail people with negative feedback ?

It may be worth asking they're complaints department what to do about this person as he's threatening negative feedback to stop you acting, which I believe against they're feedback policy.  

Anyway else tried this before ?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: amigamad on October 15, 2003, 03:25:47 PM
@lorddef

Its the power tower case i want not the powerflyer but thanks for the offer. :-)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: amigamad on October 15, 2003, 03:30:41 PM
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Poll: Who thinks I should smack this guy around and who thinks I should be happy since it was cheap?


Go give him a smack with a baseball bat it would make you feel better although you might end up in a lot of trouble. :-o
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 15, 2003, 03:30:52 PM
WOW! Have you seen some of the quality (as in good) arcade games this geezer has got!?! So tempting!  :-o
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mikeymike on October 15, 2003, 03:33:08 PM
I think it all comes down to how people should approach buying off ebay.

If you regard it as somewhere you ought to be checking every possibility, every single factor no matter how anal-retentive* it sounds, you probably shouldn't buy from ebay.

However if you regard it as it should be by everyone, as in people not out to screw other people over, then it should be considered an ok place to buy from.

* - by this I mean, if you were buying from a company, checking their registration in Companies House (UK registration of UK-based businesses), checking the directors for fraud-related criminal records, scouring the net for bad user experiences with the company, insuring everything left right and centre, asking for two references, etc. :-)

If I were shipping a load of motherboards that didn't have their own packaging and boxes, I'd include that in the packaging fee and specify that in the description.  What kind of stupid twat would sellotape boards together.

Having said that, there is a pic showing the boards taped together.  Was that added after your purchase redrumloa?

I've bought from ebay once and it turned out ok.  It's a last resort for me.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 15, 2003, 03:36:42 PM
@mikeymike

I don't want to sound like a complete idiot or anything, but how would one package their Amiga boards or Ram then, ready to be sent off? As i am selling some Ram off soon to someone.

Regards
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: amigamad on October 15, 2003, 03:42:03 PM
The desktop a4000 motherboard ibought off of amibench was meant to be a perfect working board with slightly damaged but working ram slots but it is faulty and though it will work its not perfect it has 3 resistors broken or missing from the board which i think is the problem. Not battery damaged though.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mikeymike on October 15, 2003, 03:59:54 PM
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I don't want to sound like a complete idiot or anything, but how would one package their Amiga boards or Ram then, ready to be sent off? As i am selling some Ram off soon to someone.


Anti-static bag, then bubble swap, and then a bubble wrap envelope.  Not that expensive a setup, not too annoying to package either, and a good chance of it getting through standard post (in the UK anyway).
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Seehund on October 15, 2003, 04:04:30 PM
Packing tape?


LUXURY!


Be happy that the boards weren't packed in WHITE anti-static foam! White foam causes ESD damages, cancer, subdural haemorrages, starvation, floods and loss of one sock from each pair when you wash them.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: lorddef on October 15, 2003, 04:17:33 PM
back into your box now Seehund.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: FluffyMcDeath on October 15, 2003, 04:27:03 PM
Quote

redrumloa wrote:

Poll: Who thinks I should smack this guy around and who thinks I should be happy since it was cheap?


Poll: Who thinks that is a false dichotomy?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 15, 2003, 04:56:22 PM
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mikeymike wrote:
Quote
I don't want to sound like a complete idiot or anything, but how would one package their Amiga boards or Ram then, ready to be sent off? As i am selling some Ram off soon to someone.


Anti-static bag, then bubble swap, and then a bubble wrap envelope.  Not that expensive a setup, not too annoying to package either, and a good chance of it getting through standard post (in the UK anyway).


Yeah, but where can i get this from!?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 15, 2003, 04:57:14 PM
 
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lorddef wrote:
back into your box now Seehund.


Yeah! Back to the Zoo!

:roflmao:
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mikeymike on October 15, 2003, 04:59:10 PM
@ Seehund

You forget the left shoe disappearing thing.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mikeymike on October 15, 2003, 05:01:59 PM
Quote
Quote
Quote
mikeymike wrote:
I don't want to sound like a complete idiot or anything, but how would one package their Amiga boards or Ram then, ready to be sent off? As i am selling some Ram off soon to someone.
Anti-static bag, then bubble swap, and then a bubble wrap envelope. Not that expensive a setup, not too annoying to package either, and a good chance of it getting through standard post (in the UK anyway).
Yeah, but where can i get this from!?


Have you been outside before??? :-)

Bubble wrap and bw envelopes, post office.  Stamps, post office.  Sticky tape, post office.  Pen to write address on envelope, post office.  Place to post item, post office.

Where is your nearest post office?  How the hell should I know? :-)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 15, 2003, 05:06:45 PM
@mikeymike,

What about the anti static bag?! And no, i don't go to the post office that much! :-(
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 15, 2003, 05:09:52 PM
Most equipment should come in anti-stat bags, so when you buy it, keep it. Otherwise drop by an IT store (pref. an independant place where they build their own machines) and ask them if they have any spare. Or go through their bins. Just kidding :-)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 15, 2003, 05:18:45 PM
@that_punk_guy

Maybe. You mean It stores like Tian, PC World, Maplin Electronics?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Seehund on October 15, 2003, 05:21:41 PM
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lorddef wrote:
back into your box now Seehund.



*mfff mmmmmhhmm mmmgnnuumf save AmigaOS mmmgnnnn nngmm gmmmrrmmblnn*

;)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 15, 2003, 05:27:44 PM
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
@that_punk_guy

Maybe. You mean It stores like Tian, PC World, Maplin Electronics?


I don't know Tian. Maplin might sell them new, as for PC World, not quite who I had in mind but it couldn't hurt to ask. (This is going with my theory that independant hardware shops are more likely to want to help you out with that kinda thing.)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 15, 2003, 05:28:51 PM
Damn! I meant Titan Computer World!
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 05:30:38 PM
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
@mikeymike,

What about the anti static bag?! And no, i don't go to the post office that much! :-(


Packing supply stores, I mean big ones not small mom and pop shops. They are cheap, I pay ~$4 per 100.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Tomas on October 15, 2003, 05:42:04 PM
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Poll: Who thinks I should smack this guy around and who thinks I should be happy since it was cheap?

depends... Did any of them at all work? or all totally dead?
If they all dead, then i would complain atleast.

dont think you will get far though, since he said no warranty and no responsibility.. But packaging should have been good, so atleast deserves a negative vote
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mikeymike on October 15, 2003, 05:54:24 PM
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What about the anti static bag?!


You keep the anti-static bags from previous purchases!
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 05:57:13 PM
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mikeymike wrote:
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What about the anti static bag?!


You keep the anti-static bags from previous purchases!


Or heck, I buy them for ~$4 per 100, I can resell them to someone for $6 per hundred and turn a profit ;-)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mikeymike on October 15, 2003, 06:02:05 PM
@ redrumloa

Do I get some free because I'm a fellow moderator?

- edit - oh yuh, he's not a moderator anymore.  Maybe threatening him with my moderator status would help?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 06:24:10 PM
@mikeymike

I can give you some if you need next time I buy a batch. No threats needed;-) Besides, I still eat in the corporate lounge :-D
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 15, 2003, 06:29:21 PM
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mikeymike wrote:
@ redrumloa

Do I get some free because I'm a fellow moderator?



Why... haven't you been keeping them from your previous purchases?! :lol:

;-)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: meerschaum on October 15, 2003, 06:29:29 PM
its a fundemental difference on the outlook, I think if someone advertises something as non-functional junk and shows very clearly what it is, they didnt fraud/mess with anyone.

The guy has excellent feedback, and he advertised what he sold in this case extremely well, he even showed pictures describing what you say are the problems!.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mikeymike on October 15, 2003, 06:34:54 PM
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Why... haven't you been keeping them from your previous purchases?!


One can never have too many anti-static bags :-)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Stew on October 15, 2003, 06:36:26 PM
"If it would have been shipped properly I wouldn't have been so upset. But when you open the box and pieces just start falling out...  "

  Been there. Bought a A400D in a tower case with a 7 slot daughterboard, CSMKIII, PIV, and a bunch of other goodies. The unit comes and I am excited. Open it op and card come falling out. The daughter card is just glued in the case and there is no way to put hold down screws in the cards. The PIV never worked and the CSMKIII worked all of 2 min. Seller says "oh too bad call UPS".  I am sure there are other horror stories out there, and you do have our sympathies.

Stew
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 06:50:39 PM
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meerschaum wrote:
The guy has excellent feedback, and he advertised what he sold in this case extremely well, he even showed pictures describing what you say are the problems!.


No , no and no! :-o

His pictures do NOT show the condition of the boards, you can't see the surface of the boards! You only see the bottom and side.

His feedback is actually very bad at ~96% positive with many people posting neutral or positive with their comment saying something negative as a warning. After scanning through i see a trend. Someone posts a neutral with a warning and this jerk gives THEM a negative. If he gets paid in a timely manner he has no right as a seller to give someone a negative.

Besides most buyers are too scared to post a negative or neutral through fear of retailiation, which this guy threatens with often!
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 07:05:52 PM
I have received a response from eBay, they are investigating the guy. :-D
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mikeymike on October 15, 2003, 07:10:54 PM
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His pictures do NOT show the condition of the boards, you can't see the surface of the boards! You only see the bottom and side.


What about the one showing them taped together?  Did you see that one or wasn't it there before?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 07:17:52 PM
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mikeymike wrote:

What about the one showing them taped together?  Did you see that one or wasn't it there before?


I saw that and thought it looked odd, but I assumed (falsely) that there much have been some kind of packing material between boards.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: meerschaum on October 15, 2003, 08:28:09 PM
remind me never to do business with you! heh
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 15, 2003, 08:50:57 PM
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meerschaum wrote:
remind me never to do business with you! heh


Troll :-P
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Cyberus on October 16, 2003, 12:11:53 AM
@ FluffyMc
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Poll: Who thinks that is a false dichotomy?

In what way?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: jdiffend on October 30, 2003, 07:55:06 AM
I had a guy ship a computer from Europe with no packing material around most of the computer.   It was actually touching 4 sides of the box.  That was dumb but nothing compared to this outfit.  THIS is what the worst eBayer ever really looks like.  (This is the bozo I mentioned earlier btw)

http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=pcxchang
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 30, 2003, 09:37:49 AM
Why only talk about Ebay people per se?

How about postal services of the world i.e. PARCLFORCE worldwide from the UK! A whole massive A4000 seems to have gone missing :-o ! 70quid for postage seems to have gone down the drain. I am gonna contact the seller to get compensation in gear. :-x
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: mantisspider on October 30, 2003, 11:08:07 AM
Forget his ebaying ability, its his grammar that freaks me out:

"I dont have time to loose with you for that type of money." = why is he so loose? Maybe he should tighten up. did he mean to say lose?

"DID YOU CHECK how much you pay for shipping !!!!!!" = once again, should be "?" not "!"

"AND how much it cost me !!!!!!" = starts with AND, tsk tsk

"ARE YOU A DREAMER !!!!!!!" = should have ????? not !!!!)

"YOU ARE A FUNNY GUY." = this is where he should use the "!"

and I only learnt to read last week

what u gonna do with 10 a500 motherboards?

Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on October 30, 2003, 12:29:49 PM
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what u gonna do with 10 a500 motherboards?


I'll strip what chips I can salvage off them and throw the boards.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Lando on October 30, 2003, 12:49:36 PM
Leave his some scathing feedback! That will teach him not to f**k with an Amigan.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: jdiffend on October 30, 2003, 09:09:35 PM
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How about postal services of the world i.e. PARCLFORCE worldwide from the UK! A whole massive A4000 seems to have gone missing  ! 70quid for postage seems to have gone down the drain. I am gonna contact the seller to get compensation in gear.


How far was it being shipped?
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: DanDude on October 30, 2003, 09:40:53 PM
Wow--what was that seller thinking???

Thanx for the tip, redrumloa.  I'll put him in my ebay blacklist. :-)
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Fade on October 30, 2003, 11:21:09 PM
Maybe the seller's name should have told you something. Think about it.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Jagabot on November 04, 2003, 04:38:18 PM
I dunno, from my point of view as a sometimes-frequent Amiga seller (and a fairly frequent buyer to complete certain items before I sell them) it works both ways. While I've never knowingly shafted anyone (I did send a busted A3000T keyboard with an A3000T system to somebody but immediately sent the one I knew worked when he emailed me saying he got a bad one -- I screwed up when I packaged, certainly not intentional) I HAVE been scammed by a guy who bought an A4000 from me 8 months back. After initial customs hassles, he then said the PS was dead so I cross-shipped him a new one. Except he NEVER sent me back the "dead" one. I know today the peniswrinlke is more likely than not running two perfectly working A4000's side by side.

That one single buyer ruined it for anyone else who buys from me. I will never cross-ship parts, in good faith, even to an Amiga buyer with a 1000 rating, and in most cases even to people who have bought from me before. A buyer can take it up with PayPal and get their money back, complain to eBay and get something done about the seller, however a seller can't do anything at all once they've shipped the items.

I should have known from day 1 that he was not going to be a good person to deal with. Apparently I personally run UNITED STATES CUSTOMS and I should have told him up front that I PERSONALLY would be charging him an additional fee for a customs tarrif on an item imported with a value over $200. Yeah, I run US Customs as a side line enterprise... Oh well, live and learn. Sure takes a lot of the fun out of eBaying around 5000 Amiga items, and it totally discouraged me from putting amigadeals.com back online (I dont get the "extra" protection that eBay offers with the simple threat of bad feedback when I ship something so why bother?)


Hey, thanks for letting me counter-vent. If you want some "new" vintage Amiga stuff, at really cheap prices, I have more than I know what to do with, and no I don't have a running inventory list to send you... ;)

Glen Ouellette
eBay: (catherder)
glen@go_graphical.com (remove the _ it's there to avoid spambots)
sales@amiga_deals.com  (remove the _ )
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on November 04, 2003, 04:48:55 PM
@Jagabot

Too bad you are down under, I'd offer to buy you out :-D Unfortunately my last major import was a major bust :-x
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: DoomMaster on November 04, 2003, 05:24:44 PM
To redrumloa:



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The packaging was absolutely terrible. The boards are taped together with packing tape and put in a box loose


What do you think "rock lobster" means?  It sounds like to me that you were just trying to get something for nothing, like you usually try to do, and you failed this time.  You got exactly what you paid for- a "rock lobster" of Amiga 500 boards.  The seller did not do anything wrong.  You should learn how to understand what you read and don't be so ####y !     :roll:
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on November 04, 2003, 05:26:23 PM
That wasn't very nice. No offence DoomMaster but you should be shot.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on November 04, 2003, 05:28:34 PM
@doomy

Nice try trolling. Unfortunately I think you will find I see right through your ruse.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Jagabot on November 04, 2003, 05:37:50 PM
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Too bad you are down under


Actually, I'm "up above" (Canada). I'm always open to offers! I just don't have the time to devote to this like I'd prefer to (I don't like giving half assed service, so I just don't post stuff for a week or more at a time to prevent doing so).

I do still have a pile of A1200 parts (motherboards, keyboards, cases, shields, drives, 3 or 4 A4000's here, 10 or so 500's, a couple 1000's, the only A2200 in existence and all A2200 development boards, a few 2000's and 2500's, you name it I probably have it (no, I don't have any later gen stuff, nor do I have any 040 accelerators for anything but 4000s). Not to mention the ~1000 new unopened software titles. (even have around 100 CD32 games still wrapped here as well, 3 or 4 CDTV titles too).

Btw, I have checked into this in the past, barring the price of shipping it all (could be done in a pallet using a bulk carrier), if it's all documented properly as "returned merchandise to origins" there's no duty as long as all the correct export documents are in order it shouldn't be that crazy to ship $$-wise. Just be aware that I have no factory-new boxed stuff left, although my 4000's and 1200's are new, they aren't in boxes anymore (god only knows why, was done before my time for storage space reasons at the place where I aquired all this from).  :-D


Edit: I take back the 2000 part... I have 2 that don't seem to boot up. And I have 2 new 68040 boards to test in one of them too! Oh the irony.
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: redrumloa on November 04, 2003, 05:46:07 PM
@Jagabot

Great! I thought you were in Australia for some reason. Canada is not soo bad. I will give you an email sortly and we can discuss this in private.

Jim
Title: Re: AARRGGH!! Worst eBay seller EVER!!
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on November 05, 2003, 10:21:42 PM
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jdiffend wrote:
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How about postal services of the world i.e. PARCLFORCE worldwide from the UK! A whole massive A4000 seems to have gone missing  ! 70quid for postage seems to have gone down the drain. I am gonna contact the seller to get compensation in gear.


How far was it being shipped?


It ended up coming, but their customer support was crap.