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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: ikir on August 07, 2004, 10:49:55 PM
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Amiga-news.de reports that Haage & Partner has started a competition for users who design AmigaOS4 system and application icon sets. The best designs will receive a free cos of his popular OS4 icon & skin.
Competition (http://www.haage-partner.de/iconwettbewerb/)
Screenshots:
Toaks1 (http://amigaos.dk/modules/bamagalerie3/viewcat.php?id=23&cid=3&min=0&orderby=titreA&show==)
Toaks2 (http://amigaos.dk/modules/bamagalerie3/viewcat.php?id=24&cid=3&min=0&orderby=titreA&show=)
Toaks3 (http://amigaos.dk/modules/bamagalerie3/viewcat.php?id=11&cid=3&min=0&orderby=dateD&show=12)
(News partially taken from AW.net).
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I'd rather have a competition for the applications themselves rather than their icons, but I guess you have to start somewhere...
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Any chance of making icons that don't look like they were ripped out of MacOS or KDE?
I always liked the fact that Amiga icons weren't always square, either.
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As I asked there as well - where and what are the rules? And to be honest I didn't really knew what those screnshots have to do with the news item.
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Apparently, they don't really have anything to do with the competition, they're just ToAks' OS4 beta workbench...
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What's a "cos?" Should that have read "copy of ArtEffect?"
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The question is: if I win the competition, will there be an Arteffect for MorphOS, or will someone provide me with an AmigaONE board for free? :-)
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I thought H&P washed their hands of everything Amiga?
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I thought H&P washed their hands of everything Amiga?
Me too, i thought there was some, uh.. unpleasantness between H&P and Amiga Inc :-? Maybe fences mended?
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What's the point of using a higher resolution if all you do with it is using ever bigger icons? Doh.
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Wouldn't bet on it....
You may remember H&P searching for someone to adapt AE to OS4 on a freelance-basis.
Or in other words : " We'll pay you 0.0 upfront, but you might get a few ct when it works out"
Seems they have found someone .... I'm still not sure wether the new AE is
-just a patch to make sure the OS3.x-version runs on OS4.
- a plain port from OS3.x to OS4
- AE_V5 in the makeing
With competion is again something where they don't invest a dime, but may end up with an Icon/Skin-CD they can sell ....
Same old H&P as allways :-o
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@Kronos
I can confirm that it IS at least OS4.0 PPC native. I don't know if its actually enhanced other than porting it, though.
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In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the deal they offered the freelancer doing the port was a percentage-of-net deal (you couldn't imagine the idiocy of the arguments over that issue when it came to Amithlon!) --- and as these copies are obviously going out for E0.00 net, H&P are probably getting these icon sets for literally nix.
Of course, that's assuming they don't declare those copies of AE for OS4 to be "promotional" in the first place --- considering that repeated requests for a report what the 47 "promotional" copies of AmigaOS XL were used for (a report, I might add, which they were contractually required to provide) were utterly ignored, it seems not unreasonable to wonder how loosely they might define "promotional"....
Of course, I am somewhat biased by past experience --- but if anyone even considers taking part in this "competition" (competitions have rules, and clear statements regarding the ownership of intellectual property involved, and sometimes even webpages containing more than an image referring to that very same webpage for further information), then make *damn* sure you do not assign H&P any rights you might want to keep. Write it down. Make them sign it. Do not send them anything until you have gone through that process. *Then* watch them like a hawk, because they really don't care what rights they do or don't have.
I guess with H&P dabbling in Amiga affairs again, it's time to mail Garry Hare some sales reports :)
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I thought H&P washed their hands of everything Amiga?
Nope, the cancer is here to stay.
What Burned said above says it all.
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@kronos
Or in other words : " We'll pay you 0.0 upfront, but you might get a few ct when it works out"
Unless you know the specifics, you are just making things up. Not exactly confidence-inspiring.
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After the Amithlon shameless episodes, my consideration for Haage & Partner is this : :pissed:
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Unless you know the specifics, you are just making things up. Not exactly confidence-inspiring.
Neither is the previously set precident that suggests this is likely.
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@rOGUE :-P
Just read the orginal call by H&P and you will see that they just said that (with more words offcourse).
Add to that their past handlings with other peoples IP (Miami in OS3.5, Genesis in 3.9, Amithlon ....), and you just can't avoid aggreeing with my shortened version :-(
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Just read the orginal call by H&P and you will see that they just said that (with more words offcourse).
I doubt the original call by H&P said something like "you might get a few ct".
Add to that their past handlings with other peoples IP (Miami in OS3.5, Genesis in 3.9, Amithlon ....), and you just can't avoid aggreeing with my shortened version
I didn't say anything about agreeing or not, only that you don't know any specifics so you could have refrained from posting.
Oh, well...
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There are copyright icons by JoBBo and Ocinel appearing in these screenshots - this is piracy. Toaks, please stop ripping other people's hard work.
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Kenny,
Don't be rediculous. Screenshots are not icons, nor are they usable for anything but screenshots. Screenshots are not piracy in any way, shape, or form.
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Showing a copyrighted film "Labyrinth" in a screengrab is just unacceptable.
Copyright infringement "unauthorized reproduction", Labyrinth was never released by TriStar Pictures as a Divx film and they certainly did not post a screengrab of a Divx conversion of their film, which is playing on AmigaOS. so if you did get permission from TriStar Pictures then do state so, otherwise your breaking copyrights.
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@Wayne
Several of those icons come from icon sets that are ONLY available on the official MorphOS CD or on the MorphOS FTP (only available to Pegasos owners). They were produced under licence. Ergo, their use by someone who doesn't own a Pegasos or a MorphOS CD is piracy. Say what you like, that's the law. Whether or not they're used in a screenshot is immaterial.
And I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if people kept ripping bits of your PHP code and using them to help a competitor.
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so, who says one of these folks doesn't have a peg?
just asking.....
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@KennyR
Depending on the jurisdiction; refer to any laws that governs 'fair use'/'fair dealing" clauses.
@Paul_Gadd
Depending on the jurisdiction; you have precedence in fan web sites e.g. Star wars and Star trek fan sites. They operate in the basis of 'fair use'/'fair dealing' clauses.
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And I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if people kept ripping bits of your PHP code and using them to help a competitor.
There’s a level coding before copyright kicks in i.e. “hello world” style code snippets wouldn’t be enough.
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@cecilia
I think it is safe to assume that Toaks doesn't have a Peg. Don't ask my why, but somehow I'm 100% sure bout that :-P
@Hammer
"fair use" refers to stuff you got in a legal way, and than use it different to what the EULA may state.
There is no legal way of getting these icons other than buying a Peg.
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@Kronos
There is no legal way of getting these icons other than buying a Peg.
Errrrr.... buy Mac OS X maybe as that's where a lot of the icons in Toaks screenshots originate, not Morph OS.
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Jesus christ people, when did you all become "copyright crusaders"? How does posting a single frame of labyrinth hurt tristar? How do you know he didn't rip the DivX from his own DVD? How much money do you think Genesi are losing by someone using some icons from morphos, that could have been cropped from a morphos screenshot anyway?
Get a sense of perspective here.
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How much money do you think Genesi are losing by someone using some icons from morphos, that could have been cropped from a morphos screenshot anyway?
Probably the same damage, when I'm using bits of my legal AmigaOS3.1 under MorphOS? :-) I have some faint recollection of some Bill McEwen being very sensitive upon such issues... :-) (As the latest Executive Update seems to date from 23-Dec-01, it's rather hard to find it, however.)
Copyright OFFTOPIC: Did you know that amiga.hu received threats from Amiga Inc. to either pay or remove copyrighted Amiga Inc material (eg. the Amiga logo) back in the McEwen period? Did you know that pegasos.hu received a Genesi 'Best of Web Award' instead of threats for using Genesi copyrighted material? :) Just mentioning as a side note :-D
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Almost every Amiga site that I can think of has at one time or another, been threatened by Fleecy and company. It's one of the major reasons that they're not on my Christmas card list, though compared to our only alternative I'll take McEwen and Fleecy any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
It's really too bad for everyone concerned that there is simply no honor amongst the two companies that have intentionally ripped this community apart.
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xeron wrote:
Jesus christ people, when did you all become "copyright crusaders"?
I wouldn't even care normally, but given these wild accusations over the past years that "MorphOS was a ripped off AmigaOS based on stolen AmigaOS code" and the current "MorphOS users are pirates, the freeware crowd", I think the irony and hypocrisy has reached too much of a level to be ignored.
We wouldn't want OS4 users to get the reputation of pirates, or OS4 as a reputation of a ripped off version of MorphOS, would we? :)
How much money do you think Genesi are losing by someone using some icons from morphos, that could have been cropped from a morphos screenshot anyway?
Money isn't the only reason you protect your intellectual property. Ask JoBBo how he feels about everyone ripping off his stuff. Maybe even track down Martin Huttenlöher and ask him how he felt when shops started selling Amigas using his MagicWB icons - without paying him a cent.
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Cockney_dave wrote:
Errrrr.... buy Mac OS X maybe as that's where a lot of the icons in Toaks screenshots originate, not Morph OS.
Most are from MacOS X. Some are from MorphOS (for example, the ATC icon).
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Wayne wrote:
It's one of the major reasons that they're not on my Christmas card list, though compared to our only alternative I'll take McEwen and Fleecy any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
McEwen and Fleecy never were an option.
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the freeware crowd", I think the irony and hypocrisy has reached too much of a level to be ignored.
Because a *user* of OS4 of happens to have some icons on his desktop? Come on! Those grabs don't even have ANYTHING to do with H&P's competition, let alone Hyperion.
We wouldn't want OS4 users to get the reputation of pirates, or OS4 as a reputation of a ripped off version of MorphOS, would we? :)
I've never said anything either way on the subject, but I don't think anyone ever accused the MorphOS *USERS* of being responsible for the usage of stolen code in MorpOS (NOTE: I'm not saying there is any stolen code in there, just that the users werent blamed for it by people who said there was).
Money isn't the only reason you protect your intellectual property. Ask JoBBo how he feels about everyone ripping off his stuff.
I honestly doubt JoBBo is terribly upset by ONE end-user using some icons he drew. Its not like they're shipping with OS4, or feature in official OS4 publicity shots. If you really care, why don't you ask him?
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After what H&P did with Amithlon and others, no one should support this company or any of their products. Who needs Amithlon anyways when AmigaForever 6 is available?
[preach] They can take ArtEffect with them on their way to hell. [/preach] Kind of like what the good priest told the bad priest in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. That's how I really feel about the H&P issue.
Regarding the copyright thing: I don't know. Ask the company lawyer. Some companies don't care if their logos and graphic images are used for "innocent" purposes while other companies do care. Taking another's work for selfish gain is unethical, but some companies/people have no good ethics.
"Oh, why can't we all just get along?"
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There are still no details.
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"Oh, why can't we all just get along?"
First, you vilify a company, and even worse, the people involved based on nothing but your own opinion of your side of what you THINK happened, then you want to know why we can't "just get along"?????
Makes no sense.
Here's the thing. There is no company in the Amiga arena who hasn't been crucified by stupidity and public opinion (based on rumors and heresay). The only exception in my personal memory is Nova Design who've always acted with honor and integrity.
In all honesty, it's a damned wonder that there are ANY companies left supporting the Amiga (including myself and the moderators of this site) considering the ready availability of people who're willing to sling mud without the benefit of facts.
Wayne
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@Wayne
Several of those icons come from icon sets that are ONLY available on the official MorphOS CD or on the MorphOS FTP (only available to Pegasos owners). They were produced under licence. Ergo, their use by someone who doesn't own a Pegasos or a MorphOS CD is piracy. Say what you like, that's the law. Whether or not they're used in a screenshot is immaterial.
I can distinctly remeber Toaks claiming to own a Pegasos 1 at some point. If he still has it, using icons from it on another system can be viewed as no more legally dubious than any emulation, surely :-?
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kennyr: i own pegasos Superbundle ..
i threw the pegasos out but the sw is still here and last i checked ..I OWN IT so i can use it how ever i want it.
i could use it as a frisbee or use the icons.
AMIGAOS4 ROXX.