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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: AmiDelf on May 19, 2004, 03:43:31 PM
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AmigaWorld.org is done by 2 people. Paul have done a great article on how he turned to PegasosII and sold his Amiga 3000.
Read it: Here (http://www.amigaworld.org/PegasosIIreview.html)
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Nice review. I'm still sitting on the fence about where to go, when the upgrading time comes, but I can't deny that Pegasos and MOS look great, at present time.
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I myself have actually turned down the PegasOS at one time of course. But I now am tired with all problems on all various platforms of computer. Linux... You just need glasses that are about 8409384093 inches thick to know how to maintain if it breaks down. Windows is great, but yet too many viruses are out there and without a firewall and adware remover, your computer is pretty much slow and useless. Amiga... A great machine. Just too bad hardware for it costs too much. I want to have a PPC setup just to toy with and use an Amiga going that fast.
I have two PCs now. One a 2500+ barton core and my other a 2800+. Does great and gets the job done, but I want an OS that would run JAVA, play a few choice games, and run an email client, then I would settle for pretty much ANY OS just as long as I can do them things.
PegasOS might be an alternate choice for me to do. I want to first use it before I would consider buying it.
Too bad Amiga and Genesi just teamed and make PegasOS even better....
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Doesn't he miss Anything about the A3000? :-?
Great review! :-)
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I would hardly call the article a 'review'. More a 'nostalgic account'---it is too subjective and qualitative to serve as a review. Mind, that does not mean I disagree with what is written, and certainly does not mean it is a bad account in the first place.
Then there was someone who claimed you had to have glasses miles thick in order to understand Linux, especially when things broke down. I really wish people would keep a little up to date with things or gave it a serious effort before making such comments: today it certainly isn't as bad as it once was. Quite often you do not even need to know what goes on in the murky depths of the operating system to solve a problem---or would you rather prefer Microsoft's sledge hammer technique of 'reinstalling the OS' to fix things? Of course there are always traumatised victims with gruesome horror stories to be found, but that can be said of any other operating system. ('Volume DH0: is not validated' or 'Volume DH0: has a read error' anyone?) There are plenty of books which do a great job of explaining the basics, even to complete newbies.
Methinks it is mostly fear of the unknown, coupled with an understandable hesitation of what to do with one's favourite programs and data. (I miss Deluxe Paint something fierce.) Just like the author of the article which started this thread.
My $0.02.
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@kd7ota
PegasOS
Pegasos is the hardware. MorphOS is the operating system.
:-)
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@Piru
Yea, sorry man. Just remembered it from awhile back when someone told me about it, they spelled it PegasOS.
@Cymric
Sure I have gave it lots of thought before stating you need glasses several inches thick. Reason besing is because the average windows user will never know what to do when it breaks down. I went to change a piece of hardware, and it never loaded the GUI ever again. How are they going to know how to install even the nvidia display drivers? You have to go in and edit commands etc..... Sorry, no windows users will ever comprehend that. Sure they can read books and learn, but sorry, they just dont have patience to do that. If you can make it a drag-n-drop process, they will go do it.
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> Sorry, no windows users will ever comprehend
> that
They shouldn't have to. Computers in general should not REQUIRE their users to hold master's degrees, or even care how things work. Most people who own computers just want them to work. They don't care how they work, simply that they do. XP Pro is a great step in the right direction, even if they skipped a few steps along the way.
Wayne
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@ kd7ota
I have a couple of PC's myself. I need a laptop for my work (PC), I have a 2800+ barton Abit/NForce2 system for media creation etc (and games ;-)), and two low-end MiniITX Via Epia motherboards.
No matter how hard I try, I can only look at those boxes as grey "work horses" (is that a real term in English? ;-)). There is no fun in using them, except from one occasional game or so (but then the credits goes to the game itself, and not to the box). They are noisy, slow, bulky and bloated (I use Windows XP and 2k on them). They are useful, but I want more, I want fun in computing! ;-) Only Amiga (and now Pegasos/MorphOS) has been able to offer me that.
I understand that you want to "use it before you buy it", it's difficult to buy something unseen, based only on peoples recommendations. It's tempting to say that you could always buy a cheap second hand Pegasos1, but I wouldn't recommend that. The Pegasos II is much better, and you wouldn't regret buying one of those from the start (I have owned two Peg1's and two Peg2's myself). Perhaps you could go to a show, a local club or something, and try it out?
Good luck! :-)
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@ Cymric
I agree that it's more of a nostalgic posting than a review of a product. But I think that it's interesting reading nevertheless. I bet that we are many who recognizes our own past (and current) situation just like that's described in this article.
(BTW, Linux is not the answer to everything, nor is Windows. ;-))
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@Wayne,
Unfortunately there's always going to be problems that arise with computing - it's the nature of software. Have you ever tried solving {bleep}y problems on WindowsXP? Quite often it's a real nightmare, and even if you're a competent computer user you can often be left scratching your head and digging for the XP Install disk (again).
If you're a regular computer user who doesn't have a team of IT staff on call to repair your computer all the time (i.e. you're a home computer user) then unfortunately you're always going to need to know a little bit about how the OS works. If you're a serious home computer user then really you need to be completely happy when under the bonnet - it's no use pretending that you don't need to know how things work when problems are arising and you've already got valuable data stored on the machine.
Brian
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@ Wayne
I agree, the general *desktop systems* (which excludes a lot of OS's that has somewhat different purposes) should not require their users to be computer experts. And I agree that Windows XP pro is great in that kind of way. And one should remember that in the desktop OS sector, the Windows way is the standard way.
I once threw out some questions for discussion about Amiga(ish) OS's as general desktop OS's. What is required? That is a good question!
In this thread on ann.lu (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1070417446&category=rant&start1&79) I tried to discuss this a while ago.
BTW, "What is the Pegasos Layer" (comment 73)? Could some "layer" make those exotic OS's more common and suitable for mainstream uses? Possibly, that depends on what it is! :-P ;-)
And a good question that is - What should such a "layer" contain? What is it?
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Much is left to be said about the actual Hardware design and components of the PegasosII. Thats maybe the reason its cheaper then the A1 too.
Well, as long as it gets the job done, thats the important thing!
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(BTW, if you are reading that ann thread, have a look at post 16 too ...)
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@ choochy
The hardware design and components of the Pegasos II is *EXCELLENT*! There is no other word that can describe it! The only thing one could strike down upon in the past, was the firmware. I have personally seen three different firmware versions since last Christmas. That is fast progress IMHO ;-)! Today the firmware in Peg2 is very good, especially if you don't use Seagate HDD's (like I do ;-)). Genesi has in several posts written about their ambitions regarding the firmware and the open desktop workstation. So I don't see any reason to believe that the firmware development will slow down in the future, rather the opposite. I believe that lots of exciting features will come to the Peg2 firmware in a not so distant future ... :-D
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@takemehomegrandma
Yea, I understand that you have them to be just workhorses for a few things. Not trying to badmouth any OS really. I have an Asus A7N8X-X board which as the Nforce2 chipset. Its fast and gets the job done just right.
Yea, I been putting thought into the Pegasos board. They do look nice and are nice n compact. I just want an OS to do a few things really. If they could get a few applications over to MorphOS, them I would definately go over with it.
1.JAVA
2.Instant Messengers by Yahoo! and MSN.
(I know that Jabberwocky exists, but I like the fancy features that the official clients offer.)
3.A 100% up to date webbrowser like IE or Netscape or even Mozilla.
4.A few choice games. (Counterstrike, Quake III, unreal tournament.)
I know its kind of a lot to ask for an OS, but its what is used alot just anyways. Even though they release new PC games, i am not near interested in them. The older games are fun to me and its all I want to play.
We will see how things turn out. Until them, i am going to be stuck in the world of PC Windows XP. :-D
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We will see how things turn out. Until them, i am going to be stuck in the world of PC Windows XP.
Yeah, me too. I can put a nice article together about how I moved from A3000/Bars&Pipes to PentiumXP/SonarCakewalk, but I doubt anyone cares. :-P
I'm waiting to see what comes about with the microA1.
Plaz
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@Wayne,
Your totally correct!. Most people dont care how computers work, and they certainly dont want to fix one!. The problem is that they have no choice!. I work with over 100 people who have computers that dont really care about computers. They just want them to work. I'd say that I've had about 75% of the their machines sitting in my living room because there all running windows and so overrun with adware that they can no longer check their email or surf the net.
I dont see this changing anytime soon. If we still had 4/5 equally market shared OS's then maybe this problem wouldnt be so out of control.
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Interesting article. I hope it works out well for him.
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redfox
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XP Pro is a great step in the right direction, even if they skipped a few steps along the way.
XP Pro is one of the biggest jokes in the Windows history, according to me.
1. Much about the networking performances are way bad, at least when compared to W2K (slower transfers, higher incompability with other computers using other MS-OS:es).
2. It seems to be one of the most insecure actively used OS:es out there, holes everywhere which does not seem to be updated and corrected in a very rapid fashion.
3. It suffers froms the "CD/DVD-drive dissapeared from my system list and is not possible to get back there in any way"-bug (not one person I know that has experienced this bug, and believe me they are many, has been able to reinstall the drivers and fix the corrupted keys in the registry unless they have had system recovery activated and rolled-back the OS to a time before this bug occured (only to re-experience it in a not to distant future).
4. Unless one is very daring and or have taken part of some article discussing the various programs, one can hardly find all the hidden programs dealing with the OS. Oh, so there is a program called msconfig (which apparently have been there in every Windows since long, besides in w2k?), and we have the sysoc.inf in the hidden drawer INF which has a tag "hide" which disables many Window programs from appearing on the "install/remove window programs"-list? oh, and in the registry, one can actually search for the trashcan and remove the entire key, if the right key and not one of the wrong making windows present a nice error-message when starting it up, simply to finally be able to remove it from the desktop (unless using, like, Powertoys TweakUI or something, which if played around with to much also can make way for the "CD/DVD-drive dissapeared from my system list and is not possible to get back there in any way"-bug). Oh dear.
5. It got themes. You can install StyleXP if you want to. It makes the OS look a bit nicer. But, really, what else that makes it better than w2k has it REALLY got?
6. I mean, it does really have a "My Music" and a "My Pictures" folder. And a "My Documents". One can really not have them, or at least not the "My Documents" drawer. It's not like one would ever put ones documents in another drawer. And, it wasn't like Microsoft also promoted these drawers as one of the new cool functions in XP, no no no. Just like they said it was the easiest OS yet (for all the ones that never configures anything and are afraid that their computer may explode when they touch the mouse, maybe, because when and if ANYTHING goes wrong with the OS... one should be really lucky to find out what it is... since everything is so "simplified" that not even a true technician knows what to do besides what the manual says concerning XP).
Yes. I do know that this is almost like ranting. But, I seriously consider XP being way more flawfilled than w2k. Even though there is an apparent lack of heavy technical facts presented here in my little comment. I simply want to present to you people a feeling of frustration (I actually smashed my keyboard to pieces after having experienced the CD/DVD-bug a couple of days ago. Just like always I had to reinstall XP, and at this very particular time it was not really the best of times to do that. So, I smashed my keyboard. I bought it for like $3, so it was so way worth it).
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It suffers froms the "CD/DVD-drive dissapeared from my system list and is not possible to get back there in any way"-bug (not one person I know that has experienced this bug, and believe me they are many, has been able to reinstall the drivers and fix the corrupted keys in the registry unless they have had system recovery activated and rolled-back the OS to a time before this bug occured (only to re-experience it in a not to distant future).
I work tech support 3 months of the year and I've actually had something quite the reverse happen much more often: network adapters that won't go away (and you're trying to remove them to solve a different problem).
There's a whole plethora, a whole WORLD of NT commands under there that are just as obscure as Linux when it comes to fixing things that are broken. "netsh int reset" (or something along those lines) will refresh the registry entries for the network adapters in your current system hardware profile.
Then there's the registering/unregistering of services, fixing COM+ errors, etc.
If it wasn't for the Microsoft Knowledge base, I'd say you are in a WORSE position trying to fix a freaky Windows problem as opposed to a Linux one. And even then, I still maintain Linux is much easier to fix since things are easier to isolate (less integrated).
The best thing about XP over Win9x (as a replacement for the home desktop) is certainly the system log. It makes troubleshooting a LOT easier.
I can't wait for Linux to become more common on the corporate desktop. At the same time, I don't think anyone truly believes that Linux is easier for joe user at home.
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Maybe it´s just me but I can´t understand how people can give up their classic amigas?
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Maybe it´s just me but I can´t understand how people can give up their classic amigas?
Yeah, I was thinking exactly the same.. Maybe I will buy a MicroA1 in the future but I would never sell my Amiga to get the money.
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I never intended it to be a review. It was meant as my view on the switch and where I came from to get to that point, Exactly what is writen. I did write a proper review that will be published in the next issue of Total Amiga. for those looking for one.
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Maybe it´s just me but I can´t understand how people can give up their classic amigas?
No, it's not just you, but a lot of people wonder why in the hell people still even bother to use classic Amiga computers. Take me for example. I love the classic Amiga's design, but in the real world have absolutely no use for one.
I don't have a use for either a Pegasos or A1 either. I see both very clearly for exactly what they are. That is to say that both are simply faster versions of the Classic Amiga with a long-overdue smattering of standard components built onto them.
Everyone is different. I basically live on the Internet. It's where I work, where I play, and where I do about everything. The Amiga, classic or otherwise is pitifully lacking in that arena. Always has been. Credit where credit is due however, at least the browsers for the Amiga are still getting better.
I recently received a legal copy of Amiga Forever 6 (Online edition) for evaluation. I've been meaning to write a review of it, because honestly it's a hell of a great piece of work (for what it does). I simply haven't had the opportunity.
Don't get me wrong. The Pegasos is a professional piece of work, and MorphOS is coming along very, very nicely but Amiga Forever is faster at emulating the Amiga on my Athlon XP 2800 than my Pegasos G3 is at being one.
If I ever need to do anything on the Amiga -- which is very, very rare -- I pull up Amiga forever, get it done, and get back to the real world.
So, for what.. $30? I already have the next generation "Amiga" sitting on my hard drive. It installed in about 5 minutes, and I haven't found anything I couldn't make work with it.
Honestly though I've forgotten so much about the Amiga's orientation throughout the years that for me, getting things to work is much harder than it is with Windows XP.
I would say that's just me, but honestly when an HD installer is considered a luxury item, the Amiga is in very very sad shape.
Sorry folks, I know that doesn't sit well with a lot of you, but that's just the way I feel. If you want a faster classic Amiga (which is all the A1 / Pegasos are), buy a good, fast PC and a copy of Amiga Forever. Having both a Pegasos as well as Amiga forever, I can readily state that they're just about the same thing. The difference is, I can actually turn off Amiga forever and get some actual work done.
Wayne
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Maybe it´s just me but I can´t understand how people can give up their classic amigas?
I thought same, but after trying Pegasos I cant understand how people can still use their classic Amigas :-P
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I think that Amiga Forerver 6.0 is a good software, but is just an emulator, i don't agree with you, is it impossible to see AF as a new Amiga...
Much better an AmigaOne with a native version of AmigaOS PPC for me
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AmigaOS and the like are used because some people like to mess around more with the inner workings of the OS, or at least understand what it does in the background in some level.
Windows are OSes for people that don't understand a {bleep} abour computers. They abstract the user completely and make all the decisions for him.
In that respect I don't think AmigaOS should EVER become a general desktop OS. People that like computers for what are, normally disklike windows one way or another...
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Well, I use UAE and I think it´s great but there are some things that I still prefer to use my A1200 for like games and some hw-banging programs.
I can´t see how UAE, A1, Pegasos or AROS could replace the real thing for that.
Honestly, I too spend most of my time in front of Windows and fire up uae only a couple of times in a week(mostly because I can´t stand graphicsprograms for wintel). It can go weeks between the times I switch on any of my Amigas, but it´s a great comfort to know I have them.
I think the "next generation amiga" will be AROS with UAE simply because of the price.
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Wayne wrote:
...but Amiga Forever is faster at emulating the Amiga on my Athlon XP 2800 than my Pegasos G3 is at being one.
I have to say that I don't agree there. An Athlon 2800 leaves a G3 choking in dust, but WinUAE is as slow as a dog, especially where graphics are concerned. I'd still prefer my Peg to UAE, even in just the speed stakes.
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Wayne:
The difference is, I can actually turn off Amiga
forever and get some actual work done.
Ouch! The Truth!! et tu Brute? I guess we should expect nothing less from the webmaster.
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Ouch! The Truth!! et tu Brute? I guess we should expect nothing less from the webmaster.
{rant warning! :-)}
I never expected that my words would be taken too correctly. I'm not trying to slam the Amiga, classic or otherwise. I just don't personally see any real use for them, because aside from AO and SpookyChick.com, I work on with a computer. I don't really game on my computer (now that I have an X-Box).
I need a computer that's able to do everything possible, without a need for a master's degree to run it.
For me, I have a lot of experience with Windows (all models to date). I am, in fact -- thanks to one of my former employers -- highly trained in Windows and the Intel hardware platform, up to and including XP. For me, XP works and works well. Come to think of it, I now have about as much life experience with the PC as I do with the Amiga.
Never got into Linux, because until recently, they pretty much DID need a master's degree to run it and let's face it. Once I passed 21 years old, my desire to tinker with, futz with, and learn operating systems has vastly diminished.
There's a reason I LOVE my Tivo, and no, it's not just because it's a pain in the ass to program the VCR.
Now, getting back to the Amiga. I'm sorry. It's not my intent to insult anyone or dissuade you from following your hobby. Let's be honest here folks. It's a hobby. Nothing more.
I have been writing an in-depth article with a friend of mine examining the future of the AmigaOne platform, but let's just sum up that I believe there are now simply too many "catch-22's" for it to succeed. This also applies equally to the Pegasos.
- needs buyers to be cheaper
- needs developers to write software to attract buyers
- can't attract developers without giving away hardware
- can't give away hardware because of lack of budget
- can't get a budget because it has limited buyers.
The list goes on, but the trap here is that the Pegasos and AmigaOne have pretty much already sold to as many Amiga users as there are out there. From the company's perspective they pretend that they have sold these systems (or given them away) to "2,000 developers", but we all know the truth.
So in the end, again in my opinion, both the AmigaOne and Pegasos are simply ways to speed up the Classic Amiga. Really nothing wrong with that at all, if that's what you want, but it'll never be successful on the business desktop which is where the money is. The only possible exception is in the guise of embedded devices (such as Tivos and home networking devices).
AmigaOne people are quick to point out "but AmigaOS runs OS4 applications!!!!". The problem is -- and it goes right back to the circle of catch-22's -- there really aren't any AmigaOS4 applications yet.
More power to everyone. Really. I just wish they'd get done already..
Wayne
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I think that what you say is a widely held view, or at least I hope I do. Can there really be people out there who still believe AmigaOS (and it's compatibles) are relevant in the outside world?
No, the strategy has to be to try and leverage the hardware with something else (linux, set-top box, dev platform...) in the hope to secure enough money to fund both strategic and marginal development activity. How one does this when facing the biggest catch-22 of them all = the hardware cost, I really do not know.
All I know is that the Pegasos meets my limited hobby goals and piques my interest enough that I'll support the platform in whatever way possible, because I enjoy doing so.
Whither now the Amiga compatibles, beyond the hobby market???
Look forward to your article.
Steve
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Now, getting back to the Amiga. I'm sorry. It's not my intent to insult anyone or dissuade you from following your hobby. Let's be honest here folks. It's a hobby. Nothing more.
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. It is really what people want it to be, not what you "consider" it to be. You could say the same for Microsoft when they started out, who could have believed that they ever would succeed (bad example since they started out from scratch, but anyways)? Or that Nintendo ever would seem to rise like a phoenix again (well, they have pretty much succeeded in that when it comes to the companies way of regarding the new upcoming handheld).
What I mean is... that, if you chose to make something absolute and non-questionable, you take away ALL the possabilites. I'm not saying that most people don't regard their AMiGA as a hobby computer, or that it is almost impossible for the AMiGA to ever be mainstream again (anybody here that believes that Ace of Base ever will have an U.S. No. 1 again?), but, hobby or not... let it be whatever it is to those involved, not what you consider it to be. Really.
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About having no use of a Pegasos like Wayne here said, have you looked into the new open workstation concept?
I sold both my Peg 1 and peg 2 because I had no use for an amiga emulator. I simply realised I had no interest in any 3rd party solutuion. MorpOs might be a usefull system some day, when it´s amiga ties doesn't hold it back anymore. That's a natural development, and I think it's clear that MorpOS is slowly leaving the amiga community. But today I agree with Wayne. It´s not usable in the real world.
But as a Linux box, peg 2 is really good. I'm going to order one (again!) for the sole purpose of using it as a low cost server suitable for a already hot enviroment. Supported by IBM and a large group of Linux users, I'd bet money that Pegasos will live on and prosper.
My review would be: Can´t see that I'd ever use MorpOs again, but the Pegasos II is really great!
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Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. It is really what people want it to be, not what you "consider" it to be.
Semantics, but time will tell. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. I would ask anyone who honestly believes that the new Amiga will be successful on the desktop to tell me one thing. How?
You could say the same for Microsoft when they started out, who could have believed that they ever would succeed (bad example since they started out from scratch, but anyways)?
No, you couldn't. Apples and oranges here, and the PC world of 1981 was a hell of a lot different than it is today. Something kids today have no concept of.
In 1981, there were no standards for a PC. No ISA slots, no parallel port standards, not even extended keyboard standards. Amiga COULD HAVE EASILY become the standard, but failed. The world was clamoring for standards on the PC and Microsoft/Intel saw this and gave the manufacturers EXACTLY what they wanted.
A way to build a cheap, standard PC that would run the same software on it, regardless of who made the hardware. (Some of you might realize after reading that, that it sounds eerily reminiscent of the mantra behind AmigaDE -- so much for original thoughts eh?).
Back then, the name brand on the PC really DID matter.
Microsoft's DOS product also came with every single Intel-based machine I ever bought, or it was put on every machine I ever hand built. I tried DR-DOS and a few others, and used to laugh my way through QuarterDeck's MultiView on my early 386 machines, but things today are different.
Hardware is cheap, standard, and omnipresent. The idea of "oh god, it has to have 128 megabytes of ram to even run" is irrelevant when a 512 megabyte stick of ram is $70 and hard drives are less than a dollar per Gigabyte.
In contrast, In 1991 or so, I spent $400 on four (yes 4) megabytes of zip ram for my 3000 and $975 on two 155 MEGABYTE hard drives for my BBS, so things are completely different today.
In 2004 (or even 2000), there is no industry that is clamoring for a cheap PowerPC based computer. Everyone already has Windows, and in most cases -- like it or not -- it comes with the box you buy.
The only realm open to even any sort of desktop revolution is Linux. The question is, are there enough Linux geeks out there who hate Intel so much that they're willing to invest 3x the cost of a standard PC just to spite their cheaper and faster Intel boxes?
My bet? Doubtful, but no one, including Alan, really knows at what point they can start offering lower prices.
The fact is folks, the Amiga community was just badly managed "startup gravy" for both companies. Not that they don't have their own interesting problems, but both Amiga Inc and Genesi would be idiots in 2004 to be looking at their Amiga efforts to support them when the Linux community is 100x as strong.
Honestly? Good luck to both companies, but don't waste any sleep waiting on either "Amiga" alternative.
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Hmm... Windows
I guess I should like it as it keeps me in a job. Keeps the money flowing in. Gets anything you would want to do with a computer done without too much hassle.
erm... Amiga
I guess I should hate it as it is an expensive hobby. Keeps draining my wallet. It is a challenge to get it to a stage where I can impress people.
But then again, we don't always make sensible decisions when it comes these sort of things :-D
I guess that about sums it up (for me at least)
BTW Where I work they can charge up to £55 ($98.51) to reinstall Windows XP for a customer :lol:
/EDIT
I only fix the prolems, I don't set the prices
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But then again, we don't always make sensible decision when it comes these sort of things
No, we don't. I openly accept and can really appreciate that the Amiga for most people today is a matter of zealotous pride (not saying that as a bad thing).
You know what? If I weren't paid (at the time) to learn, support, and operate Windows, I might not have ever gotten over the "Windows is evil" {bleep}. Windows isn't evil. Just like the Amiga, it has it's good points, and it's bad points and it's all in what you've gotten used to.
I just guess, in my old age ;-), that I've gotten to a point where I expect that spending obscene amounts of money on a computer had better damned well get you the best computer on the market.
Whether or not you consider "the best" to be the AmigaOne or Pegasos is really none of my damned business. Spend away.
Me? I'd rather have a decent PC (like I have now) and a lot of cool toys -- like digital cameras, laser color printers, or DVD+R drives --to go with it.
For me (age 37), there's really no magic left in computers to discover. I'd much rather get into creating my own Internet Radio station or operating a Web-based business. Something that would bring *IN* money rather than me shelling it out for a change. I guess that comes with age.
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Now, getting back to the Amiga. I'm sorry. It's not my intent to insult anyone or dissuade you from following your hobby. Let's be honest here folks. It's a hobby. Nothing more.
Right. But at home I had my Amiga and Pegasos, of which the first died (luckily after I had my Pegasos) - now I have a Pegasos, and nothing else, and it does pretty much everything I want from it. Well, I have to forget the game paradise of Windows, doing serious work at home (well, I could manage to do that with MacOnLinux if I had to, the speed is quite acceptable), but I feel like home, watching movies, ircing, browsing, whatever. Doing my time. And I like it, and I love that there's progress around my chosen hobby.
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It depends on your needs and your point of view.
I use a P233 PC as an OpenBSD server, this celeron
PC, an AthlonXP 2800+ pc and the Peg1 with MorphOS.
MorphOS really does all I need it to do, I use it
mostly for painless programming of simple stuff
(that will become complex stuff during this summer;-).
If you buy a Peg2 as a server, I find no reason for you not to try out MorphOS 1.5 once it's out.
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@Wayne
I meant the comment to be respectful of your honesty. I wasn't asking for an explanation, but since you gave one:
Well said!
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I have a Pegasos, and nothing else, and it does pretty much everything I want from it.
Then that's all you could ever ask for. Some people's mileage may vary.
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Guess I should've jumped off the Amiga bandwagon a long time ago if I wasn't so bloody stubborn ... :-)
I use Linux (almost) exclusively these days, both at work and at home. Windows is really not needed for anything important I do, professional or otherwise. I use Windows for exactly one thing, and that is to start it and click on the icon of a game. As soon as I stop playing (and I'm no big gamer either) I close down Windows. That's all I need it for.
I fully intend to start using the AmigaOS4 prerelease once it's out though. Because no matter how much use I find in Linux, it's not really "my" OS, I have no real vested emotional interest in its future. I'll be damned if I dropped Amiga now - after all I've grown up with and vocally advocated Amiga for the better part of my entire life, dammit!
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SlimJim
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"Everyone is different. I basically live on the Internet."
Me too. Only things I do with computer is nowadays using Internet, playing mp3 and some little coding occasionally.
"The Amiga, classic or otherwise is pitifully lacking in that arena. Always has been."
I personally disagree with this. I have always found classic Amiga to be best in internet use. Browsing is snappier due the lighter browsers (I agree they don't support latest multimedia crap, but who _really_ needs them. I get everything done without them too.). For IRC, telnet, ssh, ftp etc there are very good programs and Amiga's UI and OS-design makes them better to use than corresponding ones in Windows for example. I find overall net usage much easier and more efficient on Amiga than on other platforms. I have PC with XP too. Sure it supports all the latest browsing things (which isn't big slice of my net usage), but it's pain in the ass to use on internet. Have had Linux on it and Sparc too, but it has never got me to reduce Amiga use.
And I wonder too, how people can give up their Amigas.. no computer has ever served as long as my classic Amiga and will ever serve. I just don't have heart to give up it, even if I'd start using some other platform.
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Like I said, you're welcome to disagree, your mileage vary.
don't support latest multimedia crap, but who _really_ needs them.
Anyone who gets paid to write Internet applications, that's who. Most people nowadays have never even heard of the Amiga any more -- or view it as an oddity, like the TI/99.
As such, when they pay you to develop a Web site, it almost always involves the "multimedia crap" that *I* would consider the most bare of essentials (such as Macromedia's Flash, Java programming, extended Javascript, or even BASIC Cascading Style Sheets).
It's very difficult to even find any program or Web site these days that doesn't RELY heavily on those rudimentary items to function (This website, out of the box included -- It took a LOT of hard work to strip the CSS out of Amiga.org for you guys and your antiquated systems).
These are basic things that the PC and Apple Internet world have enjoyed for going on 10 years and by now, it's *almost* inexcusable for the Amiga not to support them.
I say almost, because I honestly believe the browser writers have done a great job considering they can no longer get paid to write Amiga browsers. The fact that any Amiga browser is updated at all in 2004 is a frickin miracle to me.
If you're happy with the Amiga, more power to ya. I'm not trying at all to dissuade you. I'm simply stating my viewpoint. Since receiving Amiga Forever, I don't even have to have an Amiga to check the site's code any more and to be honest, I need the desktop space for more important things.