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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: KennyR on May 08, 2004, 02:06:46 AM
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#AmigaZeux are proud to present: AmiNetRadio 3.0.
This release is aimed at the MorphOS platform. Support for AmigaOS has largely been abandoned, for many reasons. Check out the readme and guide in the archive or go here (http://amigazeux.net/anr/whatsnew.php) for more details.
Features of this new, MorphOS-targeted release include:
- New modular, multi GUI system for selectable GUI, including the old 'classic'.
- New, fully configurable ANRNG.gui, with a very nice default skin.
- Supports classic WinAMP skins via new WinAMP.gui, including packed .wsz ones.
- New OGG Vorbis player (thanks to vorbisfile.library by Nicolas DET).
- Can play digital CDDA from CD straight through AHI (thanks to Ilkka Lehtoranta).
- Players for AHX, Protracker, Future Composer and SoundMon modules (thanks to Ilkka Lehtoranta).
- It's now possible to bind ANR functions like play, stop, volume control and so on to any key command, including multimedia keys.
- Complete playlist overhaul and rewrite.
- Scan files in playlist for more info.
- New external scope - monoscope.
- Internal scopes have been optimised and one new scope was added.
- Many bugs caught and mercilessly squished.
Download this brilliant player and many other skins at its site: http://anr.amigazeux.net (http://anr.amigazeux.net).
You can read the press release here (http://amigazeux.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=11). Bring a crowbar, you'll need it to prise your tongue back out of your cheek. ;)
-- #amigazeux
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Now here was a program that blew my mind.
When I first stumbled across ANR v2, I was impressed. I still am. So easy to use & accessible. It had a good few options too, making it pretty darn powerful in my books.
KennyR, before I go any further, note this: I DO like this program... Okay?
But. Dropping AmigaOS support does NOT make me happy. Suggesting that people 'upgrade' & making it blatantly obvious that you are refering to an upgrade to MorphOS is ,IMHO, simply wrong.
There are people out here who ARE upgrading. Be it from AmigaOS 2.x > 3.5 or 3.9. Upgrading their systems with PCI busboards with sound card support & of course upgrading to an AmigaOne with AmigaOS 4.0. They are all classed as upgrades are they not? You're not suggesting that people upgrade to more memory, a faster processor, have lights installed that flash in time with frequencies below 40Hz or whatever, but completely change their choice of OS. The underlying OS shouldn't even come into it, Quake runs on everything doesn't it?
Your little intro comes across like MorphOS is the ONLY option for upgrading.
We hope many more users will upgrade to what we believe is the future of Amiga and the way to go
Even though all of the above systems are perfectly capable of playing mp3 streams (Which is basically what ANR does).
I am not asking you to reconsider, your decision is your decision, but please do not deliberately, & unnecessarily, distance yourself (And your projects) from what is effectively half of your potential user base. This really does come across as a Blue Vs Red issue & personally I am sick of it.
I would like to develop software for the platform & politics aside, if both systems can handle what I would like to do, both systems will get what I do. Simple.
It's not even like the systems you are recommending that people upgrade from cannot carry out the task. Also worth noting, I would guess that there are also more users of the aforementioned system, meaning more users & supporters can use your creation & when they choose to upgrade further, they will be more inclined to support & follow your work & other projects.
If it's of ANY interest to you. I have had a little try & on 3.9 it seems to run.
... ... ... If I remember right, when I read the news about ANR v2 here I said something like, keep up the good work. Hmmm...
Yours, slightly disheartened, FuZion.
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I must agree that I was thrilled to see this great program updated, then read it is for MorphOS...feh, wasted my time looking I guess
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Maybe you should consider changing the name to MorphNetradio? I really find it sad that AmigaOS support was dropped.. this program really has nothing to do with amiga anymore, as it does not even run on one..
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AmiNetRadio 3.0 rules. It's simply is the best generic player (streaming, mp3, ogg, mods) there is for the target platforms at the moment.
The NG GUI is finally giving the user interface some polish (no offence intended, but the old GUI wasn't that spectacular :-))
(http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/anr-ng.png)
For those disliking the main platform choice: ANR is freeware, I am sure there are capable coders who can create good player program for your favorite platform.
Also, if you read the whatsnew link carefully you'll learn that ANR actually works under AmigaOS, but is not tested intensively under it. Also some advanced features are only available under MorphOS, simply because the required components and features are not available for AmigaOS at all.
Just my .02 euros.
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@ Ray A. Akey / Amiga Inc (on aw.net)
What I find funny about the thread you linked, is Piru (Harry Sintonen) coming along and promoting this new release as the bees knees, when he's one of the core MorphOS developers and it is obvious that he's just piling it on because in the end he too will benefit from an outcome beneficial to that AmigaOS clone.
It is true that I am a MorphOS developer. But, I am also regular at #amigazeux and betatest and help develop #az programs, though I have been way too busy to help much lately (sorry guys).
What I think about AmiNetRadio is genuine, and my personal opinion. Suggesting that this opinion is some sort of "bias" or "advertising" or "beneficial" to me is not only outrageous, but plain ridiculous.
I know we have had our disagreements on various topics before, and you probably want to get back to me somehow. If this is your choosing of method, I can only feel sorry for you.
Best regards,
Harry "Piru" Sintonen
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Also some advanced features are only available under MorphOS, simply because the required components and features are not available for AmigaOS at all.
I am sure that OS4 also has some advanced features that MorphOS lacks :-P
What pissed me off, was the fact that he called MorphOS an upgrade, which seemed to me was only done by the solely purpose of pissing of AmigaOS supporters.
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Okay. Please don't fall for the obvious jab at Amiga OS. ANR might still work. Though that probability will decrease in future releases without testing on Amiga OS systems. It' not like there already are not Morphos specific programs. The author made a choice. It's his to make. I'm sure when the Beta of Amiga OS 4.0 gets to the AmigaOne owners in the next few weeks, that other new software will be developed.
Remember, Nature abhors a vacuum.
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Uh, What no AROS version? Why that little ... Oh, wait AROS doens't have a TCP/IP stack yet. Nevermind. As you were. :oops:
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It' not like there already are not Morphos specific programs.
Granted. There will also be applicatioins for OS4 that will not appear on MorphOS.
However, this is a program that has previously been running & tested on both OS's & has suddenly been dropped due to the 'upgrade' recommendation.
The logic is just beyond me. It will amount to less users than previous versions. Having a knock on effect with downloads, users & support from the users. I was under the impression that upgrades & updates for software (Not necessarily new software) was aimed at fixing bugs & hopefully appealing to new users, not the other way around.
Anyway, as I already pointed out, Kenny's decision is Kennys decision. It's just ashame for all involved.
FuZion.
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Uh, What no AROS version? Why that little ... Oh, wait AROS doens't have a TCP/IP stack yet. Nevermind. As you were.
Come on Argo,
I don't like to see Mods dig like that. AROS doesn't even come into this.
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Guess you missed the point.
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First, my apologies by anyone disappointed by this release. We (or rather they, I'm just a guide writer) have struggled for a good while to keep ANR running on vanilla AmigaOS, without a vanilla AmigaOS system to debug on. It says 'last few months' but should probably say 'last whole year'. I'm probably the only AmigaZeux member that still does have a fully (or almost fully) working Amiga, and I did betatest ANR on it, but that kind of betatesting is blind and extremely time consuming, and the coders themselves often couldn't reproduce bugs. Workarounds of AOS bugs and limitations were attempted but failed. And all the real Amiga/emulator users who often downloaded the beta without asking usually didn't bother to send us any bug reports, and that didn't help either.
Then there's the external libraries issue. These are used for all the special players we added, and coded by people who are no longer interested in old 1993 AmigaOS but are excited about their new platform. Some (like OGG) take too much CPU time for real 68k CPUs. They weren't going to get non-MOS ports, and since this release is mainly about the extra players, we decided just to aim the full release at MOS.
Finally, ANR will work on AmigaOS. The ANRNG GUI might be corrupt (apparently this is because of features missing in AOS versions of render and guigfx.libraries), the MOS-only stuff of course is no use, and we can't assure stability any more than hoping that whats stable on A\Box is stable on AmigaOS, but it does work and still offers some new features to AmigaOS users ANR2.0 didn't.
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Using demonstration of ANR to advertise commercial operating systems without explicit permission from the author is strictly prohibited. Any attempt to do this will result in future versions of ANR being actively prevented from running on the said operating systems.
What type of freeware license is that? :-?
Wouldn't that type of behaviour be counterproductive. I mean the "AMI" part is from Amiga right. Wouldn't the the trademark holders also actively prevent ANR to advertise thair non-commercial software without explicit permission from the trademark holders? :lol: (DRY JOKE)
Also since when is MorphOS non-commercial? So it would equally apply to that OS as well right?
If it is non-commercial then I would like a copy that I can get modified for my A1....make that two..I know a friend that would also like one. :-P
Seriously though, deciding not to support a platform is the authors choice but to be childish about it is just a bit silly. :-(
Only in Amigaland :roll:
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Gadgetmaster wrote:
What type of freeware license is that?
It's a "angry at people who lie every day about our own OS who then make money from our hard work on ANR" licence.
Wouldn't that type of behaviour be counterproductive. I mean the "AMI" part is from Amiga right. Wouldn't the the trademark holders also actively prevent ANR to advertise thair non-commercial software without explicit permission from the trademark holders?
One, they have no money to enforce that. Two, they could never prove Ami was from 'Amiga'. Three, even if they did, we'd just rename it, then disable it running on their OS for the insult. :-)
Also since when is MorphOS non-commercial? So it would equally apply to that OS as well right?
MorphOS is technically non-commercial (but not non-copyright, so you couldn't use it on your A1 :-P), but that's not really the point. It stands just as much for MOS than anything else. All we ask is permission. We're just as touchy about Genesi using ANR to sell Pegasos as we are about Hyperion doing it for OS4. Or what do you think the timed 'BUY OS4' easteregg was about? ;-)
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@KennyR
It's a "angry at people who lie every day about our own OS who then make money from our hard work on ANR" licence.
You've just invented AngerWare (TM) :-D
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I doubt it that one application or utility is enough to sell a platform so I doubt much money is to be made that way.
ANR is good software don't get me wrong but it alone would not be sufficient to significantly boost sales.
the ANR authors should feel flattered that their great software is being demonstrated.
The fact that so many people are dissappointed is for that very reason, it's good software and the users are the ones that are really losing out.
So that rules out an OS4 native version ..right? (Somehow the post didn't seem complete without that last comment) sorry :lol:
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ANR is developed and used in MorphOS. Streaming and MP3 player should work in AmigaOS still (I don't know, I sold my A1200 long ago).
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I am a Amiga user and a MorphOS user.
For AmigaOS you have so many choices! I mean:
Hippo
Eagleplayer
Amplifier
AmigaAMP
DelfMpeg
etc.
I don't find it strange using these at all. And to be honest. Amplifier way of doing Netradio is way better than the ANR sollution.
I also use ANR, but only for MP3 and OGG. For mods, I use UADE, Unix Amiga Delitracker Emulator. Which works and is the most perfectly mod player for MorphOS.
Amplifier is the player that should get the lift. I am not so glad in ANR. But everyone have their own arguments and comments about different products.
I also like SongPlayer for MorphOS better, since it's got plain MUI GUI and is fast.
ANR is good, and it's got things that I as MorphOS user can be really proud of. It has its unique functions, but it fails in areas others beats it.
If you just want a all-in-one player, then ANR is a good choice for you.
AmigaWorld.org rating:
Use: 6 of 10
Stability: 10 of 10
Functionality: 10 of 10
Total score: 8 of 10
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This is really a good all-in-one product for MorphOS. But there is lot's of other sollutions too. This is one of the things, that makes me stick to MorphOS. The community is back. I feel that it's going the right way with this.
"This has been my own personal view of this product. None else at amigaworld.org have commented this as I've done."
Regards,
Michal
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Gadgetmaster wrote:
the ANR authors should feel flattered that their great software is being demonstrated.
In one case, it was demonstrated to show the capabilities of an OS coded and supported by people who have restlessly thrown lies and FUD against the MorphOS project since day one. Flattered? Sir, surely you jest.
The fact that so many people are dissappointed is for that very reason, it's good software and the users are the ones that are really losing out.
That's ok, a significant portion of the users want to lose out. No, really, they must do. Why else would they want this Amiga 'divorce' and keep saying MorphOS isn't a REAL AMIGA when they know a large perecentage of Amiga software developed is now developed on MorphOS? :-)
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AmiDelf wrote:
I prefer SongPlayer for MorphOS better, since it's got a plain MUI GUI...
So has ANR. It now has a plan MUI.gui module.
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KennyR:
Since you're obviously in the mood for insult, Aminet Radio is a {bleep} program anyway so good luck.
Oh I'm sorry, you're offended?
In that case why don't you take more time to think about others you're offending before you send your posts and maybe people wont do it back to you.
On a constructive critisism note, the main reason I choose not to run AminetRadio on AmigaOS is purely because it's 68K based and really, unless you've got a hardware MP3 decoder, PPC is needed for MP3 - certainly if you're hoping to listen and do other things at the same time. If there were a WOS version for classic AmigaOS then I'm sure it would run very nicely.
If you're the only person left in Amigazeux who actually runs an Amiga, and now you're also abandoning the platform, then maybe you should also think about naming your website MorphZeux, since it's obviously not Amiga anymore. MOS isn't an upgrade for the Amiga platform, it's a change of platform. I don't feel there's anything wrong at all in your decision to support MOS, but at the same time I don't see the hardship in also supporting the Amiga platform as well. If it is your wish to support MOS only because of personal reasons then fine, but do it quietly and keep your flame-bait opinions to yourself... unless you want to look completely unproffesional all the time that is.
Just my advice.
Brian
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BrianJHoskins wrote:
Since you're obviously in the mood for insult, Aminet Radio is a {bleep} program anyway so good luck.
Oh I'm sorry, you're offended?
No, just faintly amused. ANR is free software, and insulting free software is pointless. If you don't like it, don't use it. The end. Anything else is pure sour grapes.
If you're the only person left in Amigazeux who actually runs an Amiga, and now you're also abandoning the platform, then maybe you should also think about naming your website MorphZeux, since it's obviously not Amiga anymore. MOS isn't an upgrade for the Amiga platform, it's a change of platform. I don't feel there's anything wrong at all in your decision to support MOS, but at the same time I don't see the hardship in also supporting the Amiga platform as well.
We believe that MorphOS is the Amiga. Legally, the brand belongs to Amiga Inc, but practically, who cares. So we don't feel the need to rename our group, channel or software just to reflect what Amiga Inc. are wasting the Amiga on today. Are we quite clear?
If it is your wish to support MOS only because of personal reasons then fine, but do it quietly and keep your flame-bait opinions to yourself... unless you want to look completely unproffesional all the time that is.
I don't mind looking unprofessional. I'm not a professional (the definition of which is that one gets paid, and I don't). And ANR isn't professional software, so...
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ANR rocks! :)
On a constructive critisism note, the main reason I choose not to run AminetRadio on AmigaOS is purely because it's 68K based and really, unless you've got a hardware MP3 decoder, PPC is needed for MP3
Maybe you should try installing a ppc version of mpega.library.
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MOS isn't an upgrade for the Amiga platform
It was for me.
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Hoya!
I MUST add something to this thread...
First of all, let me say something about the situation on #AZ...
KennyR is not that right when he says he is the only #AZ member with a working Ammy.
Captain HIT, Davar (even if we haven't seen him for quite a while), K0rky and myself STILL use our beloved machines and are glad to beta-test new #AZ productions (well not me at the moment, for my Ammy is in France while I am in England...).
The main concern here is that many #AZ members, who are good mates of mine I must say, went the MOS way and, quite often, tend to denigrate AOS albeit they have used and abused it for more than a decade.
So, as a consequence, and since OS4 is not out yet thus not giving the opportunity for a REAL comparison and a REAL competition (although "competition" in the shrunk world of Amiga is, IMHO, a non-sense)against MOS, I guess the "upgrade" bit is a bit of a provocation...
Anyway, some older versions still run perfectly on AMIGA OS.
Be funky
M A D
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Some (like OGG) take too much CPU time for real 68k CPUs. They weren't going to get non-MOS ports, and since this release is mainly about the extra players, we decided just to aim the full release at MOS.
That's a pitty, because you have to consider the latest release of Amiga Forever (v.6), or the Amithlon users, I think they have the needed power for the decoding. About the upgrade, that's what the G2 PPC for the classic Amigas is.
Finally, ANR will work on AmigaOS.
I just did a quick test of it, and runs finely, plus the P96 GUI scroller bug is removed with the ANRG GUI :-) . As for the transparencies, I think some MUI classes (or the whole MUI) have to be rewritten (they are alredy old enough...).
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MARIJUANA TRICHOMES (http://trichomes.org)
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MAD wrote:
KennyR is not that right when he says he is the only #AZ member with a working Ammy.
Captain HIT, Davar (even if we haven't seen him for quite a while), K0rky and myself STILL use our beloved machines and are glad to beta-test new #AZ productions
Ok, ok, I'm the only active member with a working Amiga. You're in England, Davar hasn't been in for months now, Cap'n^HIT only appears from time to time, and k0rky does his best but his graphics card means he does more booting than testing.
So whenever there is any real betatesting to be done, it's only myself, Gelb, ToDi, iti, and some others who are around. We are all Pegasos users. I'm the only one with an Amiga that actually boots.
And we don't denegrate AOS - we view it fondly and with nostalgia. But it was coded in 1993 and it the limit of support we can give it has been reached, finally.
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Cass wrote:
That's a pitty, because you have to consider the latest release of Amiga Forever (v.6), or the Amithlon users, I think they have the needed power for the decoding. About the upgrade, that's what the G2 PPC for the classic Amigas is.
A pity, yes, but not our choice. The vorbisfile.library we use for decoding is done by Nicolas DET. He isn't terribly keen on making a 68k native version, but you could always ask him nicely. If he does make one, all you have to do is drop in the new lib and go.
As for the modules, as Gelb told me a minute ago, DeliTracker is probably the better choice for these on an emulated or Amiga system. :-)
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For me...
MorphOS is as much Amiga as AmigaOS4 is. We need to go forward, stop arguing about this. Better just to face how everything is.
I wanted lots of things to happend, but it didn't come.
MorphOS is "the" AmigaOS for PPC now.
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Thank you for this new version of this great piece of software! I have had ANR playing the whole day now and it works great! The new GUI is excellent! Thanks again! :-) :-D
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@AmiDelf:
I think it would be a whole lot easier to stop arguing about this kind of thing if there were less people like Kenny running his mouth off all the time.
That said, the less people we have in the Amiga community with that kind of sad attitude the better, so in my opinion he actually does the Amiga Community a favour by switching to MOS. Whether he is doing the MOS crowd a favour remains to be seen.
Personally I have no bad feelings towards MOS at all, I do understand what MOS was originally designed to accomplish (the survival of the Amiga platform) and I do completely understand the reason for the bitterness due to the whole AmigaInc V MOS affair, which in itself is quite sad.
Unfortunately though, due to this whole sad affair, MOS has been forced to re-invent itself as a new platform. I will agree that it is Amiga-like to use, but there can only be one legitimate Amiga platform, and at the moment AmigaOS4 is it (if we're talking legitimate). I would also agree that AmigaInc themselves have contributed diddly-squat to the new Amiga Operating System, that is also a sad affair, but the fact remains that AmigaOS4 IS the legitimate new Amiga Operating System and due to unfortunate circumstances, MOS has now had to invent itself as a "new" platform, seperate of the Amiga platform - even Genesi markets it as such.
I've no reason to argue with any MOS users, as far as I am concerned they're just Amiga users who went the MOS direction simply because they wanted to support what they assumed would be the next generation AmigaOS. There's nothing WRONG with MOS, it's just a sad unfortunate situation which has created this bitterness, none of us can help it. What I do take a distaste to is attitudes like that shown by KennyR. As I said, if that is to be his attitude, then good ridance in my opinion - whatever platform he ends up moving to.
Just my two cents.
Brian
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@ BrianJHoskins
Nonsense! MorphOS was *the* upgrade path for *many* of us. Hyperion's OS4 is totally out of reach and has never been a real option for me, not because I don't think it's going to be a good OS (I am sure it will be just as good as MorphOS when they get everything in order), but simply because there is no way on this planet that I will buy a big, bulky, motherboard with the ArticiaS NorthBridge for EUR 800+! No sir! But I am fine with that, because even if I am sure about that Hyperion's OS4 will be a great OS, I really don't see what it will offer that MorphOS won't that will make me want to switch to that path? :-? :-?
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I don't really agree with you there BrianJHoskins.
AmigaOS4 is just another way to go. MorphOS is as much Amiga as AmigaOS4 is.
If Amiga was continuing going custom, this would be a whole different situation. I am supporting MorphOS now, because it is out.
AmigaOS4 is not at MorphOS level in several areas. This is sad. And yes, I agree with you that there is too much fuzz about this.
But to say, if we say that everyone is using AmigaOS. Wouldn't that be easier?
And AmigaOS4 or MorphOS would be like Dopus Magellan and ScalOS for this AmigaOS community?
Everyone likes different enviroments, but the same stability which AmigaOS actually gives. I will from now on going saying that both AmigaOS4 and MorphOS is AmigaOS for PPC whatever other says.
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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And I have to say this, it's important. I'd have posted it on AmigaWorld where it's relevant but since they banned me for no reason I'll just say it here. They have a thread linked here anyway.
What is it that OS4 people actually want, can I ask? MOS users are told constantly that they've formed a new platform, and should go to that platform and stop pretending they're Amiga users. A clean divorce, right?
And yet, when we do, and take our software with us, we get called childish and vindictive? We get told that we're the ones trying to divide the community. WTF! What's the issue here? Do they really want us to push off but magically continue developing our software for the people who forced us out and view us as some kind of evil non-Amigan heretics?
And, Brian goes on at me for shooting my mouth off! OS4 people have done themselves absolutely no favours with their attitude for the past 3 years. ATC is currently being attacked because it has problems on OS4. "Fix ATC!" And yet it works on all other Amiga platforms. It wouldn't be long until ANR was getting the same treatment, if we kept up the difficult Amiga debugging, even if we could. We can compensate for old AmigaOS bugs and limitations. We can't compensate for new ones on beta prereleases we can't use.
In the end, we're not the ones who've been childish. Don't mistake this: the main reason that only MorphOS is supported now is almost totally practical. But there are minor poltical reasons that haven't helped. We've supported AOS for ages now, biting down anger at the abuse on certain websites that only allow one point of view. We've tried to accomodate other systems, often with zero support. We've tried to make ANR usable to people who think that we should just piss off and die or become another OS like Linux. We've come to the end of the road. Free software is free. We're now making it for us, and for our own path, because we can't do otherwise. Take it or leave it.
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That is an interesting way of looking at it. Unfortunately though, AmigaOS4 wont run on a Pegasos and MOS wont run on an AmigaOne. Hell, MOS wont even run on a PPC based classic Amiga, so whichever way you look at it, the two Operating Systems are severly seperated by this barrier alone.
Nobody wants to buy both systems (unless they're in a financial position to do so), and so the entire Amiga community is FORCED to choose between these two solutions. As I mentioned before, I am not particularly against MOS - it's userbase is afterall a collection of Amiga Users who wanted nothing more than to see the success of the Amiga as a platform, and they believed (still believe) MOS was the answer.
The single, only reason I've not given MOS a fair chance to impress me is simply because it wont run on my PPC A1200. I accept that the general direction is towards newer, more powerful computers for both the new Operating Systems, but because I can't afford to buy BOTH systems, I am forced to choose aren't I. For that reason, you can't really look at the whole situation in your light unfortunately.
Regardless of what either of us say, or which Operating System is best; put all those things aside and the fact remains, AmigaOS4 IS the legitamate AmigaOS, and MOS is not. That doesn't immediately translate to MOS being a lesser system, but it cannot be denied that the legitamate Amiga direction is OS4.
Now, as I said earlier, MOS wont run on my classic Amiga and I have already decided that I'd rather go the direction of OS4 which is for reasons of my own. Unfortunately, I am unable to be impressed by MOS because it wont run in any form whatsoever on my classic A1200. I can't afford to buy a Pegasos only to find out that no, I don't like MOS afterall and I certainly can't afford to buy both systems... so that's the difficult situation we're all finding ourselves in.
For sure, if one of the solutions was able to run on BOTH platforms (Pegasos and AmigaOne) then that would make life MUCH simpler and it would then be much easier to accept both solutions into the Amiga community. Unfortunately, due to bickering on BOTH sides, this is not currently the case.
Brian
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@KennyR:
I did say in my reply to you that I didn't take any distaste to your decision to move your software to the MOS platform and not support AmigaOS. What I took distaste to, as I have already explained, was your attitude.
You have a BAD attitude, and I don't like bad attitudes, same as most people don't. If you're to continue with a bad attitude, then I for one am GLAD that you choose to leave the Amiga community, because I feel we need stinky attitudes in our community like we need an Ash tray on a Motorcycle.
Brian
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BrianJHoskins :
....but there can only be one legitimate Amiga platform, and at the moment AmigaOS4 is it (if we're talking legitimate).
I've NEVER understood this wacky idea!!!! "legitimate"???? why? because some guy named BILL said so?
when are people going to stop listening to guys named Bill???
the reason there is such dissention in our community is because some of us spent WAY too much time believing and listening to heads of companies.
forget these morons.
The only legitimate Amiga is the computer I happen to be using. And I've still got my Amiga 2000, as well as my WinUAE that I use ALL THE TIME, as well as a pegasus. I am an artist and the artist is more important than the tools. All these variations of amiga are TOOLS. I love every single one of them. But they help me do WHATEVER I WANT TO DO.
and I don't give a rats' A55 what some dimwit company head has to say about it.
stop the nonsense and start working with each other to make any and all amiga variations better.
I like AmiNetRadio. I put it on my emulation (the last version), mostly to see if i could make some skins when I have some time. I can't use euph0ria (http://www.christianrosentreter.com/releases/euph0ria.php?lang=en) on the emulation because it's not made for AmigaOS. but it works great on MOS. I fully admit (for those that don't know) that I have contributed to euph0ria (and wait until you see the next version!). I didn't have a heart attack because it didn't work on AmigaOS.
that's life. it happens. get over it.
software is "SOFT" because it can be changed. be greatful that we live in a time when we CAN change some things in our lives. even if it takes time.
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AmigaOS4 IS the legitimate direction purely because it is the only OS solution officially supported by the owners of the Amiga platform. That is why I said that this fact cannot be disputed - it can't.
I did also mention that this fact didn't necessarily mean that AmigaOS4 was better than MOS or anything silly like that. However, due to unfortunate circumstances which split the two solutions apart, I'm not able to try MOS at the moment.
Brian
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BrianJHoskins wrote:
You have a BAD attitude, and I don't like bad attitudes, same as most people don't. If you're to continue with a bad attitude, then I for one am GLAD that you choose to leave the Amiga community, because I feel we need stinky attitudes in our community like we need an Ash tray on a Motorcycle.
But I didn't leave the Amiga community. We just stopped actively supporting OS3.x.
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And now non-MorphOS users will be pleased to hear that a 68k version of ptplay.library has been compiled, and is tested and working. It will be available as part of an update soon available at the ANR site. It will enable ANR to play ProTracker and compatible modules.
The other libs use MorphOS extentions and can't be ported. vorbisfile is nothing to do with us and we can't simply make a 68k version of it.
Also note that the ANRNG GUI isn't corrupt on non-MOS systems (that was worked around), it just has no transparency due to missing features.
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why are people moaning about software that is free and works just because its not developed for use with classic amigas or amigaones in mind .people have the right to choose what platform they code for . :-)
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MorphOS is "the" AmigaOS for PPC now.
MorphOS is more AmigaOS than AmigaOS4?? What you just said, really made no sense at all..
I bet MorphOS is a nice OS, maybe just as nice as AmigaOS, i dont know.. But i really think you should strengthen the MorphOS brand, instead of claiming it is something it is not..
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why are people moaning about software that is free and works just because its not developed for use with classic amigas or amigaones in mind .people have the right to choose what platform they code for .
I think what pissed off most AmigaOS supporters, was the fact that it was used as a way to promote MorphOS in favor of AmigaOS. The press release hinted about how much better MorphOS is, and then telling people that they should "upgrade" to MorphOS..
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I am pleased that some software authors have finally taken this standpoint.
Those people that have FUDed and slandered MOS (we all know who they are) are being shown that their actions have tangible consequences for their platform, OS4.
Perhaps they should retract their statements and offer a public apology, before other software authors become even more disenchanted with them and cause more damage to OS4.
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@ cecilia
"Legitimate" (aka "the name") is the only thing they have, the only thing that justifies insane investments and years of void. Some people obviously feel very strongly about this. There are few other arguments that would justify years of bitter wait and a small fortune put into aging, Articia based hardware. MorphOS has been available for a year and a half, it does everything one would expect from an Amiga (and more), on hardware that actually works and are quite affordable (even though it is more expensive than broad mainstream x86 hardware (but not *my* x86 hardware!;-)), "but ... but ... it doesn't have THE NAME, it's not 'legitimate'"! Well that, and the "but ... but ... it's not compiled from the original 3.1 sources" argument, which is an equal insane and artificial argument.
I whish that there would be a stop to all this "we are so much holier than you, we are the 'legitimate' ones" crap, it's only sooo annoying. We are all Amigans and have been so for very long. Please accept that people!
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AmigaOS4 IS the legitimate direction purely because it is the only OS solution officially supported by the owners of the Amiga platform. That is why I said that this fact cannot be disputed - it can't.
No, it can't be if you want to define "legitimate" that way. But in the real world this "legitimacy" has no value except to people such as yourself who want to give it value for sentimental or other personal reasons.
Here we have an example of people making practical choices based on the realities of the situation. What does it matter what the name is? People using MorphOS feel at home as they did with their older computers, and that reality is what counts, not some external idea of "legitimacy".
-- gary_c
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@takemehomegrandma
and the "but ... but ... it's not compiled from the original 3.1 sources" argument, which is an equal insane and artificial argument.
Well, at least it's not as insane or artificial than the "MorphOS is based on stolen AmigaOS sources!1!1" -argument :-)
The good thing is, I haven't seen anyone claim that in a very long time
@amigazeux - Thanks for update to this great piece of software! :pint:
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@Tomas
I fear the problem is older than you think. This has been going on for a long time before this announcement. You could say that the problems are finally coming to a head.
(I know I'm a MOS guy, but I still have my A1200. That means there is new software that will not work on _my_ Ami's too.)
-Targhan
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Tomas wrote:
I think what pissed off most AmigaOS supporters, was the fact that it was used as a way to promote MorphOS in favor of AmigaOS. The press release hinted about how much better MorphOS is, and then telling people that they should "upgrade" to MorphOS..
The press release said no such thing! It said that we believe that MorphOS is the upgrade path. That's a bit different than telling everyone like it was fact, somewhat like OS4 fans do every single day...
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Are we still going on about this? Gessh. Give it a break. The developers made a choice that they are free to make. I do feel that things could have been worded abit better.
Try it out and see if it works first.
Further Red/Blue nonsence may be taken as off-topic. IE. Post may get edited or deleted.
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The update is ready, here (http://amigazeux.net/anr/down.php). It fixes some bugs noticed on release (all platforms) and now includes the 68k ptplay library for protracker playback.
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No body complained when deliplayer became pc only the link for the windows version is here. It supports 230 formats http://www.deliplayer.com/ (http://www.deliplayer.com/) :-?
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Nobody is complaining that Art Effect is coming out for OS4 either. Where is all the whining and indignation and threating to make software not work on OS4 there, just because they release for the platform they want to support? 'Disgusting attitude'. Heh.
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I apologise if any of my comments caused greif to anyone. Its a bit of an unfortunate situation really, in this small market developers are too few and its just a little disheartening to see programmers leave. It was inevitable i guess. The effects of the changed Amiga landscape are here to stay and maybe we should be a little more accepting of that fact.
People have already decided what platform they are going to stick to and not much will change that.
I guess this whole saga was blow out of proportion :-)
Thanks for the effort and todays update guys. after all was said and done I think it was a genuine goodwill gesture.
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Hell, MOS wont even run on a PPC based classic Amiga, so whichever way you look at it, the two Operating Systems are severly seperated by this barrier alone.
Strange. There is MorphOS 1.4 in closed betatest for the classic PPC Amiga systems. Closed betatest, just like OS4. At least get your facts right.
Edited by Argo: Removed Trolling Remark.
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Unfortunately though, due to this whole sad affair, MOS has been forced to re-invent itself as a new platform.
The only re-invention so far I've seen was in case of OS4. I've been here on a.org seeing the whole "evolution" through the news. Radeon 2D drivers. IDE DMA driver. Version running on a PPC board. And I will still sit here: Watching when finally JIT will be integrated. Waiting for the Graphics system being 32 bit from ground up. And so on and so on...
Reading these news from a system which already had these features ages ago. AmigaOS4 truly has the name. But it has years of handicap as well, and a lot to catch up with. A lot to re-invent, which is already here before me.
And users who never cease to amaze me with their blind hate towards those who provided to me and many others a migration path (albeit thanks to Amiga Inc we cannot call it Amiga).
One day, if Amiga Inc decides to make war with Hyperion (just as they did with Haage und Partner, MorphOS developers, and as they've screwed Amithlon as well) will Hyperion and OS4 developers be heretics too?
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My facts are right - MOS1.4 WONT run on my classic PPC Amiga. As you correctly pointed out, it's in closed beta-test. I've also heard, and I've no idea what truth is in it, that MOS is not really seriously being developed for the classic Amiga platform anymore. If it were never released for classic Amiga, I wouldn't be suprised.
But the fact remains, I can't run MOS1.4 on my classic Amiga - which is what I said.
As it happens, I wasn't using that as flame bait, you have turned it into one yourself. All I was trying to point out is that the two "solutions" are seperated, which isn't an ideal situation because sure, if it DID run on my classic Amiga I'd definately give MOS a fair go
Regarding your comments about AmigaInc, I don't disagree at all.
Brian
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I think what pissed off most AmigaOS supporters, was the fact that it was used as a way to promote MorphOS in favor of AmigaOS. The press release hinted about how much better MorphOS is
Why can`t people read an article for what it actually says rather than what they want it to say?
The Morphos version has some better features compared to the 68k OS3.x version..
Yet people are taking it as another attack against OS4.
The ANR guys give this app for free, yet all people can do is moan and criticise instead of thank them for their effort, no wonder there`s a shortage of new software thesedays..
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@KennyR
Your post would have been perfect if the second sentence changed to "software not work on Morphos". I'm not hearing Morphos user complaining that Art Effect is coming for OS4 not Mos.
"Disgusting Attitude" indeed. It's not one that will change the authors minds. It will more likely reenforce their decision.
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Reading these news from a system which already had these features ages ago.
Yeah, Ain't Windows Great! :-D
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(albeit thanks to Amiga Inc we cannot call it Amiga)
Thanks to Amiga Inc. I don't know if I would even WANT to call it Amiga...
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@BrianJHoskins
My facts are right - MOS1.4 WONT run on my classic PPC Amiga.
That's likely right. Can't see no point releasing MOS1.4 "Classic version" to public when they could release 1.5 (or newer) instead...
BUT...
What you earlier said was:
Hell, MOS wont even run on a PPC based classic Amiga
With exactly same logic I could say "AmigaOS4 wont even run on AmigaOne!" becouse there's currently no public release (beta or not) available to every AmigaOne owner.
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My facts are right - MOS1.4 WONT run on my classic PPC Amiga. As you correctly pointed out, it's in closed beta-test. I've also heard, and I've no idea what truth is in it, that MOS is not really seriously being developed for the classic Amiga platform anymore. If it were never released for classic Amiga, I wouldn't be suprised.
But the fact remains, I can't run MOS1.4 on my classic Amiga - which is what I said.
But you favor OS4 which is just as well closed beta for the classic machines. Sorry, but I have problems understanding your logic.
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Yeah, Ain't Windows Great!
That was nasty but you have a point :-)
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These arguments are stupid.
You want a 32 bit graphics system? get Windows XP
You want transparency and 32 bit icons? get Windows XP
You want memory protection? get Windows XP
You want integrated debugging built into the OS? get Windows XP
You want a fast TCP/IP stack? get Windows XP
You want built-in CD burning? get Windows XP
You want backwards compat all the way back to the 1980s? get Windows XP
You want driver support? get Windows XP
You want a choice of great web browsers and office apps? get Windows XP
You want fast, cheap, bug-free, always-in-stock hardware? get (a PC for) Windows XP
You want something that's "out there and in use"? get Windows XP
Get my drift? this is like watching two beggars fighting over a mouldy steak, right in front of a fancy restaurant.
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@Warface
It was meant to be blunt. There is too much petty bickering going on here. Not even valid points.
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@CodeSmith et all.
We could probably answer Mac OS and a hand full of other OSs. Each a different wheel, as it were, each with it own differences. Some people like Bridgestones, others Goodyears, some Michelin. It all depends on your needs and personal preferneces.
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@Codesmith, sorry but I couldn`t resist...
You want to spend ages downloading critical updates? get Windows XP
You want to run a bloated and resource hungry OS? get Windows XP
You want to have your box owned just by previewing an email? get Windows XP
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What is it that OS4 people actually want, can I ask? MOS users are told constantly that they've formed a new platform, and should go to that platform and stop pretending they're Amiga users.
Amen.