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Title: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 07:43:12 AM
Hi all

I and my brother just won an A3000 motherboard (yes me again :-D ) on ebay from centsible. I immediately sent an email to them and received a "Mail Undelivered" response :-? . Does anyone know their contact emails?

Someone please help :-(
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Madgun68 on October 12, 2003, 07:55:28 AM
According to their website (http://www.centsible.com), send an email to support@centsible.com
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 07:58:24 AM
hmm, tried that didn't work from here :-? .

Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Madgun68 on October 12, 2003, 08:25:54 AM
Maybe one of these will work better?

technical@centsible.com
orders@centsible.com

Any mention of why the mail was not delivered?
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: amigamad on October 12, 2003, 08:32:58 AM
Try this page http://www.centsible.com/Ebaypage.shtml (http://www.centsible.com/Ebaypage.shtml)


Try this email auctions@centsible.com . :-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 08:41:00 AM
Thanx a million guys! I'll try them out as soon as I have had a couple more glasses of wine/whiskey and smokews with brother Bodie ;-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 09:26:29 AM
Quote

Madgun68 wrote:
Maybe one of these will work better?

technical@centsible.com
orders@centsible.com

Any mention of why the mail was not delivered?


Just says "Undeliverable"

However, they better not leave negative comments... or else I am gonna crack the u know what :evil: .

-edit-

Well I just tried all three email addresses, all come abck as non-deliverable. I don't know what to do.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie on October 12, 2003, 09:52:40 AM
@Bodie_CI5

Yep, just tried on my own email, got the same problem. Anyone have any ideas? :-?

I reckon he shouldn't pay :-D
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Madgun68 on October 12, 2003, 10:17:02 AM
Perhaps there's a reader here who happens to live in the Michigan area who can call these bone heads and let them know their email is broke!
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 10:27:58 AM
@ madgun

LOL I hope so!

I swear I hate these ineptitudes... If only redrumloa had advertised the the mobo :pint: .
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: alx on October 12, 2003, 10:40:28 AM
If you do a WHOIS search for centsible.com, you can get an address that's not at centsible.com
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 10:41:45 AM
@ alx

I'll give it a go now.

-edit-

@ alx

Still nothing

I am beginning to think that this may be a bogus company. :evil:

Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: OSS542 on October 12, 2003, 10:48:40 AM
Try wd8izh@beanstalk.net.  Centsible's new owner used the Ebay account wd8izh before if was suspended.  The new account  might be centsi  now, but I can't be sure.
if you bought the motherboard from centsible, be careful.   I bought that same one back in June and I am still waiting for it.  The email problem has happened before also....
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie on October 12, 2003, 10:50:22 AM
@OOS542

Thanx for the advice :-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: alx on October 12, 2003, 10:52:08 AM
@Bodie_CI5

Here it is if you cannot find it:

Quote
    
Registrant:
Centsible Software (CENTSIBLE-DOM)
PO Box 445
Edwardsburg, MI 49112-0445
US

Domain Name: CENTSIBLE.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Griffin, Bill (28496318I) wd8izh@beanstock.net
Centsible Software
PO Box 445
Edwardsburg, MI 49112-0445
US
574-315-2794 fax: 999 999 9999
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 10:53:13 AM
@ OSS542

Thank you so very much. I will now not be paying. I will take this up with up with the Ebay authorities. Do you want me to also mention your name? Have you been reimbursed?

Please PM me.

@ all

Thank you for all your help and support. We (I and brother Bodie) really appreciate it. ;-)

So please take heed.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: OSS542 on October 12, 2003, 10:53:19 AM
One additional note:
Immediately report the failed email  addy to ebay.  Forward the non-delivery message to them along with the headers intact.
As I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Damion on October 12, 2003, 10:57:58 AM
Centsible has been good to me in the past. I've
dealt with the new owner once on ebay...things
went smoothly, but since then I've tried to
buy a few things, and haven't had any luck
reaching him..

He seems like a nice guy and I don't think he
would intentionally shaft anybody, but I would
still wait to pay until you hear back from him.

Typical of many small businesses! Good people
who just get burnt out for a time and don't
have their sh!t together.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: OSS542 on October 12, 2003, 11:20:19 AM
I dealt with the former owner too, and never had a problem.  The new guy acquired it back in February.  The Ebay account was NARU'd a couple of months ago.  This looks like a new alias account, but I don't really know for sure.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 11:54:04 AM
Is anyone else having problems getting on to www.centsible.com as well?
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: OSS542 on October 12, 2003, 12:17:23 PM
They seem to be down from here....
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: odin on October 12, 2003, 01:08:35 PM
It's down from this side of the Atlantic/Indian Ocean too :-).
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 01:13:36 PM
@Odin

Seems I am getting all the bad luck lately with the classic Amiga items :-D
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: lempkee on October 12, 2003, 02:23:49 PM
damn this doesnt sound good, i really enjoyed this shop in the past, always been smooth as hell....

bodie_cI5: who is that girl in your avatar, i want to lick it!
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: redrumloa on October 12, 2003, 02:30:35 PM
Quote

OSS542 wrote:
One additional note:
Immediately report the failed email  addy to ebay.  Forward the non-delivery message to them along with the headers intact.
As I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't be the first time.


Absolutely, do this right away! I would also immediately use ebay's  fraud protection services (http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/fpp.html?ssPageName=STRK:SRVC:030)!
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 03:16:04 PM
@redrum

4444 posts  :-o

The mark of the RED

@lempkee

It is Salma Hayek of Dusk Till Dawn fame and Desperado

@all
I have placed an email to ebay concerning this, luckily I haven't made a transaction. However methinks that the said person may frequent this site because www.centsible.com has gone off the air and even the pictures were taken off the item number 2758410742 . Bit too much of a coincidence  ;-) . Avoid at all costs.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: lempkee on October 12, 2003, 03:20:49 PM
bodie:hmm , it is?.. that must be one of the best pictures of her then :D

anyway sad thing this about centsible ;(

Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 12, 2003, 03:25:48 PM
yeah about both ;-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: OSS542 on October 12, 2003, 04:50:04 PM
hm.....the dns entry for centsible.com seems to have disappeared now.  Can't even do a host lookup on it.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: jeffimix on October 12, 2003, 06:08:00 PM
 /me considers calling them

But umm they're outside of my area code... all the work with those 4 extra numbers
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: N7VQM on October 12, 2003, 06:14:50 PM
I have a snail mail address (besides the PO Box) and a home phone # for Mr Griffin if you would like them.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: OSS542 on October 13, 2003, 01:46:37 AM
All of the current auctions run by centsi (Centsible's new account) appear to have been withdrawn as they are no longer listed.  The account has just been NARU'd.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 13, 2003, 02:01:21 AM
Quote

N7VQM wrote:
I have a snail mail address (besides the PO Box) and a home phone # for Mr Griffin if you would like them.


Hi and thanks for the offer, but I don't want to seem as though I am stalking, we'll let Ebay take care of it. Best for all of us to take heed that there are some not-so-nice people out there... Second time I have been nearly duped!
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 13, 2003, 02:02:14 AM
Quote

jeffimix wrote:
 /me considers calling them

But umm they're outside of my area code... all the work with those 4 extra numbers


LOL Jeffimix... that's my view on life as well! :-D
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: odin on October 13, 2003, 02:04:22 AM
Quote

Bodie_CI5 wrote:
@Odin
Seems I am getting all the bad luck lately with the classic Amiga items :-D


Well you did get a dodgy A4kD right? :-).
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 13, 2003, 02:10:01 AM
Quote

odin wrote:
Quote

Bodie_CI5 wrote:
@Odin
Seems I am getting all the bad luck lately with the classic Amiga items :-D


Well you did get a dodgy A4kD right? :-).


LOL but that's er... ummm... diff... different you see, I could um.... loook in wonder at the case and errr... um... look, maybe the A4k is salvagable. :-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: DoomMaster on October 13, 2003, 03:42:11 AM
To Bodie_CI5:

[color=FF0033]Do not buy anything from Centsible Software![/color][/b]

I bought a Super Denise chip from them.  I used a Debit card to pay for it on 9-18-03.  They did not take the funds out of my account until 9-25-03 and I did not receive the Super Denise until 10-3-03.  It took over two WEEKS to get this item and I ordered it online.  When I received the Super Denise chip it was not packaged properly.  This MOS chip, which can be easily damaged by static electricity, was plugged into WHITE foam and wrapped with clear packaging tape.  Both the white foam and the clear packaging tape can generate up to 10,000 volts of static electricity, so I know that this Super Denise MOS chip is static damaged.  I emailed Bill Griffin, the owner, to get another Super Denise chip, but never got a response back.     :roll:
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 13, 2003, 03:48:52 AM
Thanks DoomMaster

I have dearly learnt my lesson, although luckily I did not make any transaction. I now know never to make any deals with this person, or with the various email addresses that he supplies.  

HOWEVER, I sincerely hope than no-one visiting any Amiga websites ever deals with this person. He is ruthless, as you have shown as well as OS5442 has also explained.

Thank you DoomMaster for the warning. And a BIG thank you to all who have given me advice. Just goes to show that while some people cannot EVER be trusted, there are many within the wide spectrum of the Amiga community that help the other people who are about to be defrauded.

 Sincerely thank you. :-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: N7VQM on October 13, 2003, 05:50:54 AM
Quote

DoomMaster wrote:

 was plugged into WHITE foam and wrapped with clear packaging tape.


That's not cool.  Bill is an Extra-class amateur radio operator.  He should damn well know better!
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: aardvark on October 13, 2003, 06:25:09 AM
I bought a video cable from him on ebay and took the opportunity to ordersome additional items from Centsible at half price with free shipping given to ebay auction winners.  I didn't know that Centsible had been sold to this new owner.  I recieved the video cable as well as an explanation that he'd recieved all of Centsible's goodies in several sea cans that he'd not yet plumbed the depths of.  Here is his last profile on ebay under user name wd8izh.

http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewFeedback&userid=wd8izh&items=200

He sent pictures of the full sea cans to me and said he would refund the extra money to me, but that has not happened yet, although I did say that I preferred the items.

I'd show them to you, but I guess I'd have to figure out how to upload them to a site with a URL  :-o

I notice that he had another auction on ebay with a new name and no feedback at all yet under his new name.  Here is a quote fom his email to me.

Quote
The other items (ordered from the website I am still searching for they are in one of these three storage buildings (pics enclosed). Unfortunately this is how the buildings look after some 5 months of sorting since I took over Centsible Software from Scot Parker (who basically dumped 4 semiloads of inventory in my lap with no time (or really space for that matter) to sort it out at the start.


Maybe he was overwhelmed by all the stuff he got , but I don't think he's handled it very well.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 13, 2003, 06:28:10 AM
Man! How many people are coming out of the woodwork! :-o
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: aardvark on October 13, 2003, 06:28:36 AM
Okay, maybe they're not sea cans, I just took another look at the pictures he sent, and I think they may be some of those storage bin locations that you rent by the month.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Argo on October 13, 2003, 07:04:55 AM
DoomMaster:
   Try taking action thru the bank that issued your debit card.  Also, contact the State Attorney General of the state of the merchant. If you can find others haveing the same or similar problems with the merchant, include that information also. If your feeling really energetic or pissed off, contact the merchant's local chamber of commerce to see if they are a member (or ask if they exist, that might get them looking around) and police. Basically, light as many fires as you can, then see where they spread. Might get your money back or maybe not, chances are one of these will hit dirt and make someone squirm.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 13, 2003, 07:12:26 AM
Well since we are on the case of Ebay frauds... has anyone ever had problems with this guy?:

Click Here (http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=r_waters)

Like an idiot I bought three Amiga Format magazines off him... he had no negative feedbakck until that time, now there's a whole set of them. I did make the mistake of using Paypal, so I have lost $100AUD to him. I will be making a Fraud Report, I hope I can get my money back :evil: .

Please be careful of people on ebay, there are many frauds there. Unfortunately, I along with some other users here, have learnt that the extremely hard way. If only all were like redrumloa :-( .
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: OSS542 on October 13, 2003, 11:15:15 AM
I'm shocked to see this about Rick Waters.  He used to be one of the most reputable and excellent amiga dealers out there.  No question about it though, the bad feedback has definitely started to appear recently.  I ordered lots of stuff from him, never had a single problem, and always excellent service......very sad to see this happen.....I hope it's just an temporary problem and not a good dealer turned bad.....
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 13, 2003, 11:52:41 AM
Yeah it's been like 5 weeks since I have received any reply from him. I hope he is not going through any personal hardship, but still it is not good practise on his part. The conditions of me bidding were that I pay within three days of winning the bid. Is it not wise then on his part to atleast write to me?

I am sorry that I have used this forum as the platform for me to make these announcements... but I feel I must warn those who would purchase their products to refrain from doing so.
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: OSS542 on October 14, 2003, 01:31:04 AM
I received the A3000 mother board from Centsible in the mail this morning at my office.  According to the US postal service label, it was sent Aug 19.  It was marked to be sent via Air.......I can't imagine Air Mail taking that long..............it was paid for around June 17......
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 14, 2003, 03:55:01 AM
Quote

OSS542 wrote:
I received the A3000 mother board from Centsible in the mail this morning at my office.  According to the US postal service label, it was sent Aug 19.  It was marked to be sent via Air.......I can't imagine Air Mail taking that long..............it was paid for around June 17......


That's great news! I bet it took so long because he forgot to leave a tip to someone... :-?
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 14, 2003, 01:25:12 PM
Off topic:

@Bodie_C15

What the devil have you done with that Salma avatar?! I almost fainted when i had seen your new avatar. What are you playing at. I think that you should either change back to your old avatar or give Salma to me! :-) Sweeps getting a bit boring now!
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 14, 2003, 01:30:05 PM
heheheeh CU_AMIGA

Such avatars have become "boring" now.

In any case, I shall, once I have gone onto my PeeCee again, post it up here for you to adopt. But please first ask permission off AMi603 over at amigaworld.net. ;-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: redrumloa on October 14, 2003, 01:40:49 PM
Quote
Please be careful of people on ebay, there are many frauds there. Unfortunately, I along with some other users here, have learnt that the extremely hard way. If only all were like redrumloa  


Thank you for the compliment!:-D
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 14, 2003, 05:06:54 PM
@Bodie_C15

He! He! Thanks. Okay let me know when you have uploaded it or whatever and i will bring Salma back to life! Unless you change your mind, of course! Why would i have to ask permission off AMi603 over at amigaworld.net and how would i go about with this!?

Regards,
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 15, 2003, 02:14:45 AM
@ redrumloa

Why? It's true. Beseides, never in my life have I ever seen such quick delivery of a product ;-)


@ CU_AMIGA

Why? Because he got miffed that someone else took it as a joke. :-?  Just go to search on AWorld.net and conduct a Search, type in the name and you can PM him. :-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 15, 2003, 03:17:04 PM
@Bodie_C15

Okay! Thats at the top of my "to do" list tomorrow! :-)
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: Bodie_CI5 on October 15, 2003, 03:19:50 PM
@ CU_AMIGA

 ;-) ,  8-)

I think those two smilies sum it up! :-D
Title: Re: Contacting centsible
Post by: 6 on October 18, 2003, 05:40:03 PM
Have you tried calling Centsible on the phone?  I know it is ancient technology, but it always worked for me.