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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: Ryu on March 16, 2004, 01:05:15 AM
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Amiga, Inc. Sells the Amiga Operating System to KMOS inc, to focus on AmigaDE and the Mobile Market.
Amiga Inc (http://amiga.com/corporate/150304-amigaos_sale.shtml)
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Great news :-D . Hopefully all the parties involved can now move forward.
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:-(
"release of the consumer version of AmigaOS 4.0 later this year"
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Can anyone tell me who this Garry Hare is??
Has he ever been involved with any Amiga companies in the past? The only time i heard about this guy, was when he was rumored to be the new ceo of AmigaINC...
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It didnt say 4th quater it said later.. so it could be the summer. Look on the brightside, a company with money at the helm.
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@Tomas
Do a google search for his corporate history. You will be impressed. :-)
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@Bobsonsirjonny
Thanks for clarification, but I still am bothered with that word "later". Anyway I do hope this is a wonderful moment for Amiga OS and everyone else who supports it.
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Wow this is incredible. Now maybe the morons who said Bill Buck was making up Gary Harre and the whole business card incident will reconsider what is the Truth and what is Fabrication
Lets all move forward together!
magnetic
:-)
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@ Mickey
Later this year == Somewhere from now until the end of the year.
This does not mean "late this year".
So why are you bothered with the word "later"
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Now maybe the morons who said Bill Buck was making up Gary Harre and the whole business card incident will reconsider what is the Truth and what is Fabrication
Before you get all fuzzy, read what the press release says: "Garry Hare, KMOS' CEO". Where does it say "Amiga CEO"?
Think twice before calling someone a moron.
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@Rogue
Hey, back off. Tom's a bit overzealous, that's all.
Overall, good news for everyone involved, wouldn't you agree? After all, I'm sure that Bolton is very happy at getting paid finally. Have you, Bolton?
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@Downix
Uhm. I don't remember reading anywhere how much was paid by KMOS to Amiga, Inc.
P.S. @Everyone, Please keep it civil and respect the opinions of others. Thank you.
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@downix:
No doubt about it, but calling other people "morons" just for being sceptical isn't really good style. Besides, I don't see anything in said press release that hints that the business card story was true - it clearly says that Garry Hare is CEO of KMOS while Bill McEwen is CEO of Amiga.
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@Magnetic
Let's leave the whole Gary Hare business card in the past, shall we. I don't think many would disagree that Mr. Hare has had some previous involvement in some fashion in the past.
Let's talk about the current situation.
What is KMOS? What do they do?
I assume they also have licence from Amiga, Inc for the name. How does the sale affect any contracts?
Basically, How does this change the playing field?
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Looks like the amiga.com website is down. Is there a mirror of the announcement anywhere?
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I feel dizzy, I need to sit down. This is all getting too weird. :lol:
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Nope, gonna post that after all. :-)
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Rogue
Noone is calling YOU a moron. I'm always praising you people if anything. I just dont like the way Hyperion, Eyetech, and Amiga1 dealers have told people (no not you and your brother others) that OS4 is "right around the corner" and in fact its in extremely early beta stage. Why not just say:
Hey its really difficult, its a small team so its slow going but its coming nicely..
What would really benifit everyone is if the War of MOS vs Aos and Genesi vs Amiga and A1 vs Pegasos started to die down and some shared development occured...
This is worse than the Middle East
magnetic
it SUX
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Erm, already posted this in the forums before I realised it was frontpage. My apologies...
I'm sure everyone must be itching to ask these questions, but I'm getting there first, even if I don't expect much of a reply:
1) Is this really for real?
2) Who the hell are KMOS and where can a person find out more about them?
3) Why didn't we hear about this earlier when it actually happened and not almost a year later?
3) How will this affect Genesi's threatened aquisition of OS4 as being connected to the DE?
4) Will OS4 still be allowed to be marketed with the Amiga name? If so, would Amiga Inc. still get royalties? If they do, can Genesi still claim its linked to DE?
5) Will KMOS open up the hardware market and allow OS4 to be run on a wider range of PPC boards, such as Terons, Macs, and Pegasos? Would it even be up to them what OS4 was licenced to run on?
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6) Why has Fleecy been talking about the future of AmigaOS over the last year if it has been sold the whole time?
Sorry, I have to ask. Something doesn't seem right. Maybe the proof is in the details, but where is the details?
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Ok, that's it, I am DEFINATELY making a movie based on this! You can't write fiction this good!
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Yuk, what's with the undescribed icons for "quote", etc. What is a "manager", or a "<>" ... sheesh. You'd think an Amiga site would have an idea about usability.
3) How will this affect Genesi's threatened acquisition of OS4 as being connected to the DE?
About the same amount as it will affect Genesi's threatened acquisition of Microsoft PocketPC as being connected to Amiga DE I'd imagine. They aren't the same product, however much bbrv is disingeneous in the court case. Maybe Amiga will be able to afford a lawyer now to actually defend themselves.
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Argo said...
I assume they also have licence from Amiga, Inc for the name.
The press release said...
"I should point out, that except as they relate to the Amiga OS family of products, KMOS did not acquire the Amiga name, intellectual property or its DE line of products. These assets remain the property of Amiga Inc.".
So, I guess they licensed the name in a way, but not exclusively.
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Hattig wrote:
About the same amount as it will affect Genesi's threatened acquisition of Microsoft PocketPC as being connected to Amiga DE I'd imagine. They aren't the same product, however much bbrv is disingeneous in the court case. Maybe Amiga will be able to afford a lawyer now to actually defend themselves.
Regardless of the actual validity of the claim, it's already been judged in Thendic/Genesi's favour as being linked to the DE. I'm not sure the judgement is reversible.
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@Rogue
Hey, back off. Tom's a bit overzealous, that's all.
Eh? It was not me who made this post:
Now maybe the morons who said Bill Buck was making up Gary Harre and the whole business card incident will reconsider what is the Truth and what is Fabrication
This was posted by magnetic... Or is his real name Tom or something?
I was only asking who this garry hare person was and if he has been involved with any amiga companies in past.. i never ever called anyone a moron.
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> Regardless of the actual validity of the claim, it's already been judged in Thendic/Genesi's favour
> as being linked to the DE. I'm not sure the judgement is reversible.
Where is this posted? I know the judgement was in favor of Genesi for the original claim for DE, and that Buck-man had filed for an ammendment to include OS4, but hadn't heard of a judgement on said ammendment yet...
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Looks like a rather cheap trick to scam AInc's creditors
out of any chance to get their hands on AInc's only asset.
Lets wait and see how long this will hold if is ever
tested in court ....
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1) Is this really for real?
According to the press release, yes.
I'm not sure how to feel about this whole thing, though. It's kinda weird. A new home for Amiga. I feel kinda sad that Amiga got sold again. But, it might be a good thing. AI can go about doing whatever DE stuff it's doing and whatever lawsuits surrounding it will not be able to touch the AmigaOS because it's owned by someone else. If AOS4 was an upgrade of AmigaDE (which it obviously is not), then there's no way to prove it because now DE is being conspicuously separated from OS4. OS4 and the entirety of AmigaOS IP (whatever of it that AI bought from Gateway) is owned by someone else and DE is going to be worked on by AI (or whoever it is that's working on it on AI's behalf). If OS4 was an upgrade of DE, then why is DE still being worked on? Logically, if OS4 was an upgrade of DE, then DE is necessarily obsolete, but it's still being worked on, so it can't be. This new ownership separation adds to the fact that there's no real connection between the two. That's good thing number one.
Good thing number two might be that if KMOS has money to buy whole other companies like that (Itec LLC, not AI), then they've probably got all sorts of resources with which to keep Amiga alive.
One question I have is if KMOS "develops and distributes enabling technology, software applications and specialty content to the wired and wireless communication market", then why didn't they buy DE as well, or instead of OS4? DE seems more their line. The description of KMOS on the AI press release could be used to describe AI, given the products it's released. KMOS must be AI, with money. Good thing number three. :-)
Let's just hope this doesn't turn out badly. As in, I don't want to have to buy an IBM just to have an Amiga. Amiga as Windows replacement, no. Amiga as Windows killer, yes. :destroy:
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Where is this posted? I know the judgement was in favor of Genesi for the original claim for DE, and that Buck-man had filed for an ammendment to include OS4, but hadn't heard of a judgement on said ammendment yet...
I'm also sure that KMOS will also ensure that this situation does not occur by supplying a lawyer to stop bbrv's snatch-and-grab operation from a dying bleeding company trying to breath its last breath.
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I'm also sure that KMOS will also ensure that this situation does not occur by supplying a lawyer to stop bbrv's snatch-and-grab operation from a dying bleeding company trying to breath its last breath.
I indeed hope so... If genesi get their hands on OS4, then i am out of here..
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Hattig wrote:
I'm also sure that KMOS will also ensure that this situation does not occur by supplying a lawyer to stop bbrv's snatch-and-grab operation from a dying bleeding company trying to breath its last breath.
Thats rather over dramatic, and also making AInc out to be the innocent victims destroyed by an evil world. In reality, AInc made terrible business choices and jumped over the cliff into badly advised ventures with little idea of how they'd do anything. They haven't yet fallen: right now they're hanging from the ankles of the Amiga community pulling them down every day that the IPs aren't used for anything productive. Genesi may love getting the boot in, but I really wish the community would finally kick AInc off themselves and save them the trouble.
If they weren't called Amiga I very much doubt anyone would still support this company.
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@Downix
Just one problem. You couldn't say "Based on Actual Events". Noone would believe you!
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@Weirdami
Thanks, obviously over looked that. Guess I'll have to reread it.
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@Tomas
I assume Magnetic's Real Name is Tom.
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amigabill wrote:
> Regardless of the actual validity of the claim, it's already been judged in Thendic/Genesi's favour
> as being linked to the DE. I'm not sure the judgement is reversible.
Where is this posted? I know the judgement was in favor of Genesi for the original claim for DE, and that Buck-man had filed for an ammendment to include OS4, but hadn't heard of a judgement on said ammendment yet...
There is nothing certain here and I don't pretend to know the facts. I'm speaking of certain parts of court documents published in an ANN thread (which I can't seem to reach now :-().
I'm not certain if the scans are genuine or not (but they probably are), and they seem to be rather vague and hard to understand and read, but they seem to link DE and OS4 because of Amiga Inc's own earlier rhetoric of linking them itself on Amiga.com. If you can find them you can look for yourself.
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On April 23, 2003 Amiga entered into an Agreement with Itec LLC, later acquired by KMOS, Inc. for the transfer and sale of all of Amiga's right, title, source code, and all versions, from the "Classic Amiga Operating System" through AmigaOS 4.0 and all subsequent versions to KMOS, Inc.
Wow.... That leaves a lot more unanswered questions, eh???
So, Gary Hare and KMOS own all of AmigaOS. BUT:
1) Where does that put the Haage & Partner OS3.9 at?
2) As for OS4, what about Hyperion? (In their agreement, weren't they supposed to have first chance at purchasing out the OS rights, if AmigaInc backed out?)
3) What about sub-licenses like Cloanto's Amiga Forever? Is there a chance to clear the air and get Umilator back on track? (Or is the block by H&P?)
4) Why the hell didn't we hear this from anyone involved for almost a year? KMOS can't really have any plans of their own for the Amiga IP if they didn't even bother to announce they bought it?
I think I'm more confused than ever as to who can do what, and why, anymore...
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Check out AmigaWorld (for the pro-Amiga) and ANN (for the upcoming 'it can't be true' anti-Amiga) for the new news about Amiga Inc. suddenly getting legal counsel, appealing, submitting well written evidence ... :eek:
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1) Where does that put the Haage & Partner OS3.9 at?
2) As for OS4, what about Hyperion? (In their agreement, weren't they supposed to have first chance at purchasing out the OS rights, if AmigaInc backed out?)
3) What about sub-licenses like Cloanto's Amiga Forever? Is there a chance to clear the air and get Umilator back on track? (Or is the block by H&P?)
4) Why the hell didn't we hear this from anyone involved for almost a year? KMOS can't really have any plans of their own for the Amiga IP if they didn't even bother to announce they bought it?
I think I'm more confused than ever as to who can do what, and why, anymore...
Questions 1 and 3 are especially cool, as are the following:
5). Does this mean that Hyperion might be able to hire a few new coders???
6) How many developers were aware of this buyout for the last year?
7) How wuold Hyperion react to suddenly being supplied with OS3.9 source-code to work from? Too little, too late?
8) Will KMOS send us our $%@^#^@*%^&@#^ Tee shirts?
Just a wary note:
When Gatewy bought Amiga, it was GOOD! But they just sat on it.
When AmigaInc bought Amiga, it was GOOD! But they were unbelievably slow and indecisive, causing the IP to languish.
Now, KMOS haaas bought Amiga (OS, I know), and it's GOOD.
But for how long. Wait and see, son. wait and see.
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@Argo
You just posted (see above) three one sentence comments in a row which seem to have no context. Were those supposed to be private messages?
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@Weirdami
I guess you and most other member read in flat mode not threaded or nested. Anyway, I went back and edited my posts. I hope things are more clear.
So, back on topic. Anyone pop over to AW or ANN to read up on the new court docs. Wow, Just when I thought this was getting boring again. Drop in traffic, no news, no juicy rumors, no big bad trolls. Then "Wham!", Sale of AOS and Amiga, Inc. back to court with lawyers. Too Little, Too Late? Tune in tomorrow for more in this exciting drama.
Well, I have to go for now. Gotta run to the store. I'm getting low on popcorn. Save my seat.
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Mickey write:
"release of the consumer version of AmigaOS 4.0 later this year"
What do you expect, AmigaOS4 Beta insn't out yet
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Reading most of the posts to this news I am suprised how many people out there DO NOT see this as a bad news!?!?! To me this means:
1. Amiga name will be sold again soon
2. Another bussiness strategy will be introduced
3. Another 5 years of waiting untill something (if anything) happens for us consumers...
I see this just as another nail in the coffin - sorry...
Someone plaese cheer me up!!!
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Hmm... so Fleecy was bullsh*tt*ng everyone with his ridiculous "AG2 technology" and other stuff? He knew AI was no longer responsible for AmigaOS but was talking like they were.
I wonder how Club Amiga continues now? AI was selling memberships only few months ago, is KMOS going to continue this club now?
But whatever. Good to see Amiga Inc sinking to the bottom of the sea. Good bye, you won't be missed.
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Even if they do not sink to the bottom of the sea, we don't need to worry as the important stuff is not with them anymore.
If they want to release AmigaDE for AmigaOS (unlikely that the investors would want that) then fine, they can.
I still rather liked that mockup of AmigaDE and Sheep that they did once though.
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Yeah, and this is great news for Hyperion too (although they knew this over a year).
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I've the feeling we're "mislead" for quite a few months now!
Notice the " around mislead!
Is this a bad time to ask where my 50 Euros are?
And this is no joke from my side.
Does KMOS takeover this deal ones made by Amiga Inc.?
As always, no trolling from my side, just my feelings.
It's certainly interesting to read what Bill McEwen filed at the court, about saying he couldn´t contact Bill Buck, while Bill Buck said the same thing about Bill McEwen!
I find this very amusing indeed :-D
Somebody in this thread mentioned something about making a movie of this:
I clearly see it happening like BB's carrying a Pegasos to BM and at the same time BM's carrying a letter to BB. Both passing by eachother without stopping! :-)
I've got to stop now :-)
Bye,
Spidey
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KennyR wrote:
I'm not sure the judgement is reversible.
It's reversible. Why do you think there exist appeals in any western legal system? :-)
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The Register (http://www2.open.ac.uk/ousa/fin_text.html) has posted this up as a news story.
-john
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I think your link is wrong, mate.
I think you wantThe Register (http://www.theregister.com/content/4/36285.html)
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@ Batman
There has been an appeal? Who? Where? When? Please provide a link! :-)
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All I can say is that for me AROS is looking better and better. It isn't done but it isn't going anywhere and can't be sold. Although I do think that this might be good for AOS, if the company that bought it LAST YEAR, didn't want to finish it we probably would not have been seeing it being demoed. I love AOS but I am ver leary of a Coperate contolled version, even more so now.
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Wholly cow!
I just remembered something that might be pertenant to this story. I just remembered I purchased AmigaOS back in 2001!
No wonder I haven't been able to balance my checkbook. Well, mystery solved.
I cannot wait to learn more about KMOS, assuming they hold up to be relevant for a little while. I don't know why people start going to make assumptions like they have money. We don't know anything yet.
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Hmm... and yet the world still turns ;-)
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I don't know why people start going to make assumptions like they have money.
Because they bought another company (IIRC) before buying AmigaOS and it looks like they are helping Amiga Inc in court now.. That either means they have a lot of money or had a lot of money :-) ;-)
Another day, another chapter in the amiga soap we know and love so much.
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as soon as i saw this my brain automatically changed this:
Amiga, Inc. Sells the Amiga Operating System to KMOS inc, to focus on AmigaDE and the Mobile Market.
into this:
Amiga, Inc. sells any chance of making money off long waiting amiga users to a random company, to focus on a lost cause...
:-(
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Amiga, Inc. sells any chance of making money off long waiting amiga users to a random company, to focus on a lost cause...
I bet they sell amiga de to microsoft no one else wants it. :-o
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Amiga, Inc. sells any chance of making money off long waiting amiga users to a random company, to focus on a lost cause...
? So ? AmigaOS isn't owned by Amiga Inc anymore.. In a worse case scenario Amiga Inc goes bey bey and Amiga OS 4 is renamed to KMOS-OS 1...
Hmmm... K-OS vs M-OS anyone :-D
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@Tomas
Sorry for the confusion. Yes, Magnetic's name is Tom as well.
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like we were told on 29-02-2004:
KMOS buys Amiga-OS (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7123)
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Well I can't tell if selling the rights for AmigaOS to another company was good or not. Although it doesn't look that good to me at the moment, I can only wait and see.
They say that there won't be any problems with the release of OS4, but what about OS4.1 and so on? Are they commited to continuing the developement of the OS4.x line as initially planned? Or what plans have they got anyway?
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Would this by any chance be an attempt to show that AmigaOS and DE are not connected? I've been away for a while, and haven't quite understood what's going on but it's good to see the soap opera is still "on schedule and rocking"...
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So, do I go to Amiga.com or KMOS.com to see the release candidate demo of OS4?
What? There is no demo? Well, screw OS4, then. :-)
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Ogy is right. The Amiga platform needs stability. What's all this crap ? Buy and re-buy ! This is really confusing and don't give a serious image of the Amiga World ...
STABILITY is necessary as well as complete computers which doesn't look like a tuned PC ... Apple has a very nice style. The Amiga needs one too.
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and so the Amiga merry-go-round continues
nothing has changed in the last 7 years
still no noteable releases and no OS
only the name of who owns it is different
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Oh wow...
I can't wait what happens next...
:-?
Oh, does that mean we're finally getting our T-shirts now? :lol: *JINX*
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Welcome to the Dilbert Zone.
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Money at the helm? How do we know KMOS and Gary Hare has money? Internet info on KMOS and Hare is sparce. Also, did any other company have a chance of getting this "deal."
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Well considering that Hyperion is the ONE developing OS4, if KMOS has more money for development then we actually could come out ahead.
Looks like we've been snowed for at least a year.
Actually, I feel like an orphaned child again.
WHOEVER, owns the OS, I wished that they would get the blasted product to market. I have a BOX looking for the OS, (don't really care for Linux).
Just bring the dang product to market.. we deserve that much... And yes I have been a supporter for a long time ,,,,, actually since 1987.
Just venting some thoughts.
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What are the facts ?
I've read the entire thread but what it seems to be is the colecting of an IOU
If money was given or borrowed against a licensed idea or copywrite
Then trying to renegotiate its value now is TOO late
buy back clauses must be entered at the time of agreement , NOT RE-Contested like grandads last will & testiment
If the company KMOS have any intension to distribute this idea or just sell its patent into a LOCKED VAULT so NO ONE Can USE will be their buisness choice
I believe in the old miggy & the choices workbench gave us
But this is NOT about a new alternative piece of custom tuned hardware with a specialy written OS
Its about a multiplatform idea that as yet is still in beta being used on variety of bolted together common parts
Sadly it sounds like the early dreaded PC & windows scenario
And If I don't get flack for this post
It will be a miracle
this sent live from a REAL 1200 not emulated
:)
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Oh yeah, KMOS must have sooooo much money. The only reference I can find to it on the net relates to the Amiga stories. So what else has this company been doing?
I tried typing www.kmos.com in the ie address bar and got a message saying "This is the future home of KMOS Inc." That really reassured me about the bona fides of this company - not.
My bet is that KMOS consists of a fat guy in his lounge room who likes to fantasize about becoming the next Bill Gates.
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OK, Amiga Inc sells the "classic Amiga OS" to KMOS, but as I understand it, not the name of the OS? What is it to be called then? KMOS/OS, the OS formerly known as AmigaOS? :-o
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I figure I might as well toss my 2 cent theory in the ring here...
Garry Hare - Amiga geek like the rest of us, who has money and is sick of the floundering by AI. Decides "ok, I'll just buy the damned thing and get this show on the road myself". (This theory based on my own long-standing desire to do this, and I bet I'm not alone)
KMOS - A company name derrived from the "competition" between AmigaOS and MorphOS - "Kill MorphOS". Kinda like Mozilla was to NCSA Mosaic. (Makes me wonder how many people here actually remember Mosaic...)
Amiga Inc -
Theory 1: With all remains of the Amiga world now stripped from the company, and the VERY dark cloud looming large over A.DE/A.A., Amino Corp will likely absorb everything and the "Amiga" name will be dropped. Perhaps the technology will be sold to another large company and Billy Mac will just cut his losses.
Theory 2: This happened nearly a year ago? Hmm, sounds in line with the finacial problems AI had. Perhaps this move was to protect AOS during bankruptcy proceedings? Thus the reason it was kept hush hush.
Again, just my theories... No harm intended, no knowledge of events whatsoever.
Anyway, I feel a bit like a storm chaser about this, finding a tornado - excited as hell, but scared out of my mind. It can be really good, but it can also be really bad... I'm having BeOS flashbacks!
But, I guess a phoenix has to burn before it can rise from the ashes
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So what else has this company been doing?
On October 7th, the company was formed, on October 10th they acquired AmigaOS from Itec, Garry Hare is there CEO, you basically have their entire story.
-Tig
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On October 7th, the company was formed, on October 10th they acquired AmigaOS from Itec
Didn't they buy Itec after Itec bought Itec AmigaOS ? Shouldn't people search for Itec if they want info ?
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IIRC, Gateway still owns all the nifty patents, and Amino/AmigaInc owned the right to the name and to use/develop/sell the AmigaOS. What patents are tied up in the OS vs. the novel hardware?
In this day of the evil WTO and GATT, what about the German court decision of a few years ago that found that when Gateway bought Amiga from Escom, the didn't actually get the rights to the OS? Whatever became of that? Seems to be that would concern KMOS and Bill Buck.
So how do we contact this Harre fellow and ask him what his intentions are? I'd like to see us all share stuff and let MorphOS and AmigaOS and AROS become one big happy family. I'm tired of being jerked around by people without the means- and the people who actauly have the ability are hamstrung by legal claims from Fleecy and Bill McEwen. I'm tired of the waiting and empty promises. If I could try one of these Pegasos units first, I might darn well go and buy it.
Speaking of which, my girlfriend ordered AmigaOS 3.9 for me as an Xmas gift in Dec. 2002 and it STILL hasn't come in!! Her emails to Fleecy were never bounced, but never answered either. Thanks for nothing Fleecy!